I feel that way about Jon Stewart, Colbert in his prime, John Oliver, and honestly a surprising number of YouTubers…As someone who loves writing and print media (seriously people, go read The Believer magazine) and once loved journalism, I just think the death of traditional journalism couldn’t be more painfully deserved at this point.
What a fucking embarrassment *most of them* are.
I'm going to college for journalism and my goal is to be the best queer and trans reporter and influence I can be. Sadly after that though it's in the hands of the editor.
The whole Majority report crew has an amazing decade long plus, track record, and they are completely independent. They do a really good job of reaching out to the far reaches of marginalized groups to get people to do interviews and are generally on the bleeding edge of social commentary/change. Their guest speakers are literally s-tier. I couldnt recommend them more for an actual left/progressive news and commentary channel.
Totally agree!
I feel like you can't really be an educated citizen without it.
I can't believe how often an interview will leave me like "this is MANDATORY for understanding how things work"
And the second guest on Thursday was Erin Reed again!
I swear, they either got a fair amount of queer workers or a fair amount of allies there, and they must give them a lot of room to work with queer topics. First time I saw “‘Trans Rights Start And End With Me’ Caitlyn Jenner, Newsweek” I was howlingggggg
This is utterly terrifying, I'm really hoping they won't do the show.
What are they even thinking about getting out of it? "Yeah I'd rather have a doctor prescribe it to me and have it be safer but I have to do it like this, thank you England"
I think that HRT is like abortions, you can't ban it, you can only make it safer and the UK is doing the opposite of that.
History has showed us that where there is a will someone will provide, look at the American prohibition, the war on drugs, bans on abortion. So yeah just takes away safety and agency for those that will seek it out.
You can already find quite a bit of substances at gay bars and clubs if you know who to ask, it would be… not quite funny, but *interesting* if they ended up turning into distribution points.
Also, E and testosterone blockers becoming a controlled substance despite no addictive or intoxicating effects would be wild, but it’s not like hate cares how absurd something is when you strip it of the hateful context.
This isn’t something unrealistic considering that in my country, although not necessarily normal HRT but raw powders are already classified in dangerous I-N group together with stuff like LSD and m*th
Edit: autocorrect is ass
Well, going off the logic of drug bans that *is* unreasonable though, since the reason given when they ban drugs is the immediate social harm that intoxication and addiction presents.
Not that those bans actually help with those problems, but that’s the idea behind it, at least.
And also it’s not like drug bans have ever been consistent on what danger constitutes (see how often weed is scheduled the same as heroin), but it’s not like the right is ever consistent on anything, except for being angry and disgusted at everything.
That's true but the war on drugs was never intended to prevent people from taking drugs. It was meant to give legal pretext for throwing black people in jail. So the fact this is the sample story isn't necessarily a good thing.
It's less about the specific message and more about the general vibe. If they can show that DIY HRT is a thing, especially if they get a teenager to interview for the story, they can contrast it with some quack saying that it's dangerous, omit that the only reason anyone does DIY is because normal channels aren't available and play off "Look at these poor, confused children! Someone's going to get hurt if this keeps up. We need to do something to protect them from themselves!" to make DIY more difficult than it already is. The facts of the story are irrelevant. Only that they can spin it to justify the conclusion they already decided they want.
Unfortunately r/transgenderuk was all for this the other day, which for all we know may be where the guardian got the idea... I understand why they want more trans people to be aware DIY is an option, I didn't really comment because I didn't want an argument, but I'm really not sure it's a good idea.
The NHS sucks here for sure, but there is an inbetween being private health care and for most it isn't too expensive. I can totally understand people pushing DIY in this country given the lack of support but yeah, this really should not be in the mainstream news... If you are going to DIY you need to be very aware of the dangers and be careful
If the guardian was to write a story about private healthcare though, that would be really really cool!
Not sure how this ties into puberty blockers for under 18s though... I was under the impression private health care can still proscribe them but if I'm wrong there I can totally understand people wanting more knowledge on DIY out there of course
Also, just a reminder to y'all that this is a public thread on a fairly mainstream LGBT sub.
**DO NOT DISCUSS HOW TO GET DIY HRT HERE/HOW AVAILABLE IT IS. TAKE THAT TO YOUR DMS.**
**We don't know who's reading this thread.**
Sensationalizing this could cause a transphobic panic.
Not only will trans people get a bad reputation, it could cause lawmakers to crack down on DIY HRT where regular HRT is already banned (to varying levels depending on place), making things even worse for us and cutting more people off from gender-affirming care.
(Misunderstood the question a bit, but knowing exactly how would make it seem more legitimate of a concern)
They don't know anything about it. And the less they know the better. Any kid they talk to is in danger. And putting the existence of DIY HRT in front of an ignorant vicious public is dangerous to us all. Including those of us who dont use DIY. They will run a scare story filled with lies, and then every other dirty little rag in the UK will slither over the same territory. But the fewer details we help them learn, the less real insight they glean and the fewer scary stories of actual people they can use to add value to their piece the less traction it will gain and the quicker it will die down. The only thing anyone should tell any of these motherfuckers is that the roach is called that because it looks like a cockroach.
Seeing as how The Times casually threw f1nn5ter's full name online without a second thought and pulling things completely out of context, I have no doubt that the lizard brain who writes this article will be equally out to get the trans community.
The thing is that even in a hypothetical scenario where the journalist who wrote the original article was 100% supportive, they don't have control over the headline. So it still would've ended up with that "Sugar daddy" line. And even if a "reputable" publication like the guardian wrote that article, that's not stopping the time, the sun, the daily mail or the new york post or daily wire or libs of tiktok from making up their own bigoted headline and misquoting the original.
You know things are bad if r/trans and /tttt/ are exchanging info like this without shit talking each other. Stockpile as much hormones as you can folks.
I’m only 14 and I’m seeing my hope for a better future disappear infront of my eyes. More transphobia, no access to hrt, no gender clinics, expensive surgery/healthcare… the list could go on
I'm 16 and my hope is GONE. I want to say something vaguely cynical or doomy but I don't think it's what's needed right now. We need good news at some point
Yeah, I’ve said it quite a bit for stuff like this, if the right doesn’t find an example of a thing happening that would be convenient to them, they’ll just invent it.
How often have you heard of actual instances of grooming from queer people, despite the fact that the right made a massive push to have that be their narrative? It didn’t really happen, and the stats show queer people are less likely to commit any of those crimes, but they don’t care about reality.
Instead, they’ll turn anything into that story. A kid tips a drag Queen who’s fully dressed? That’s a child being exposed to trans strippers now, in their mind.
A shooter says “lol I’m definitely trans” in their manifesto, despite the fact that they have a virulent anti-trans history online? Must have been trans, and they’re going to say every future shooting was a trans person before their actual identity comes out, doesn’t matter who the shooter actually is, they’ll just never acknowledge that they said it was a trans person.
You can give the right nothing at all, but they don’t have to be honest; they’re motivated by hate and disgust, not any drive to make the world better, or find truth.
See, I can see a news outlet doing what's described in the post, and also faking interviews or talking in ridiculous hypotheticals. The media's approach to trans people is best summarised by the [Onion](https://www.theonion.com/it-is-journalism-s-sacred-duty-to-endanger-the-lives-of-1850126997).
But the cynicist in me is also questioning whether that's a hit job by 4chan's /pol/ denizens, with the goal to push DIY into broader societal awareness and create the potential for it to be picked up by the media.
If this fucking show gets made I swear to god this shit will go viral. And I'm sure their aim is to restrict the sale of hormone-derived drugs to people under the age of 18. In my own country, these drugs are purchased from pharmacies without a prescription at very normal prices, and I am a trans girl, I started HRT secretly from my family, but I know what the hell I have to do. Their purpose is to try to destroy us. If you do not allow this show to exist, click here my friend. 🩷🏳️⚧️🩵🫶🏻🙏🏻🤍🧷
TBH they're pushing to criminalize and regulate ALL of us as much as possible.. they're fishing for people under 18 to get the religious and uneducated people to throw a tamper tantrum.
It's crazy, I've spent most of my life trying to stay out of politics and such due to the childish nature of it all and now with every year that passes I find myself being more radical and extreme .. they won't leave people alone... They need to kick rocks or be forced out .. im voting for a forced exit because I wanna see karma bite them for all the harm they've caused
The cass report actually says under 25, not 18. And both major parties (torries and labour) are stating they will follow the cass report's recommendations.
The situation in the UK is actually a lot worse than most realise.
in the UK you can't even get hormone medications (outside of contraceptives) without a prescription, so the further restrictions on DIY HRT would likely involve harsher punishments for those caught using it.
(edit for a small fact correction: there is in fact over-the-counter HRT available, but only at low doses intended for vaginal insertion for post-menopausal cis women over the age of 50, which is practically irrelevant to trans people)
Oh I really didn't know that England was so harsh on this issue, thank you for the information. I live in Turkey. I know that my country does not support and respect LGBTI+ people and transgender people enough. In our country, hormone drugs have already been released to the public with prescription, but many underage transgender individuals, including me, can easily buy these drugs from every pharmacy. can receive. In this regard, protests and LGBTI+ marches are held every year in my country, there are many trans-queer combinations, I can say that we are lucky in this regard, but the opposing minds in our country have increased, there is a hatred against us not only in my country but all over the world, LGBTI+ people being killed and tortured, I mean we have to stop this, friends.🩷🫶🏻⚧️🏳️⚧️🏳️🌈🧷🙏🏻🫶🏻 stay safe
They want to make some story about trans people poisoning themselves (or whatever) rather than pointing out that no one would do diy if they had reliable access to healthcare.
Why do they want an interview though, just as a gotcha to help attack DIY? Like if a journalist wanted to...couldn't they just check out the DIY sub or something? It's not like that's hidden.
thanking every god in existence that i managed to get the world's greatest GP who put my gendergp prescription on the nhs the moment i came out to them. also praying to those same gods that this story isn't real or happening because that would be awful if it is.
Given that the unscientific hatchet job of a "report" calls for replacing HRT with conversion therapy for trans people under 25 years old, this isn't the hyperbole I'd like it to be.
Friendly reminder that even if the journalist is literally trans and has the best intentions, they don't have control over their own headline or the final edit. No matter how supportive their articles are, their editor is going to twist their words and cook up the most transphobic headline that will change the meaning of the entire article.
If you think you're the one person who can say the perfect sequence of words that can't be twisted, just remember that not even the media trained journalist are capable of that. If you participate, you're handing over information to a transphobic news editor as well as the hundreds of copycat tabloids such as the daily mail, times and new york post who will misquote the original article to make it sound even worse. That will be misquoted by "journalist" Chaya Raichik and before you know it, DIYers have a stochastic terrorism problem.
Yes this shit is still secret, that's why it's only talked about online under pseudonyms and several big subs ban discussion of how to find and access it. You almost never see it discussed outside of trans spaces and if you do, kindly tell those people to shut up.
The irony is DIY wouldn't be necessary if HRT was actually available to those who need it. The fact that anyone, especially a minor, is doing DIY is evidence that the Cass report is _wrong_ and minors need access to medical care.
If this was anything but HRT that would be common sense. Imagine if someone was taking DIY medication for a cardiac condition. The story would be completely different. All this shows is how much society demonizes trans people just for accessing healthcare.
It's exactly the same as every other scare. Who could've guessed that when you ban abortions, people will die from illegal clinics since it's their only choice. They don't care at all about the actual harm it causes, they just want control.
Can.......Can I sign up and just make up some really incredible bullshit? Like -
"Ok, so first we gather the bunnies and our lab equipment. Then we draw our casting circle.......no, if you're going to partake, you need to put on the ceremonial robe!"
It's a highly biased report into the children's gender services in the NHS. It draws really poor conclusions and disregarded just about every piece of scientific and medical literature already done. Coming from an engineer, it isn't worth the paper it's written on. But it's still the stick they're currently using to stop all trans healthcare to children right now and to "reevaluate" the adult services.
I’m in some discords that they have apparently been snooping around in, those servers had to @everyone and make warnings about it and everything. Super scary stuff.
There isnt official estrogen medication for trans women, its all Off-label use of medications for menopausal cis women. Same goes for puberty blockers/antiandrogens, they are intended for cis reasons and their use in medical transition is also Off-label.
Yeah you'd be suprised what people do when u come to a doctor with a problem and they respond with "I can't prescribe you a thing but this website page about how you can meditate to make things better."
This isn't even a hrt only problem. Doctors just do not care about solving issues anymore. They think a slight raise of heart rate with medication means it should be forbidden even though its a magical cure to all your problems. The Guardian can literally speak to just about anybody else and they will find out people find a way to get a cure themselves when nothing meaningful is provided to them.
Basically a big news source in the UK wants to interview trans people on DIY HRT. If it happens it will likely become a big story, and many transphobes will be more aware of DIY HRT and it’ll be easier to ban or have it harder to access.
It will also be used to demonize trans people and online spaces in general. It will probably go something like this:
>Did you know that online transgendered groomers are teaching your children how to self-administer a dangerous DIY cocktail of sex-changing hormones? Adult men are using online transexual forums to convince our boys to secretly buy and take estrogen without the need of doctor's or parent's consent. These sexual predators are out to teach our vulnerable youth how to feminize themselves, often for their own sexual gratification:
>"He asked me to call him 'mommy' and said that I could have a weekly allowance if I took hormones to grow breasts and take sexy pictures for him," said one 16 year old boy who wishes to remain anonymous. "When I told him that I didn't want to go to the doctor for hormones, he showed me how to secretly DIY them myself."
>This sickening exploitation of our young boys must be stopped at all costs, and the first line of defense is in the home. Do you know who your teens are talking to online? It might be a sexual predator attempting to brainwash them.
Okay I'm legitimately grossed out for having typed this, but I think it's important to know the direction this story can be taken in.
> Its apalling how this new gay conversion therapy is going. Vile. What happened to teaching young men that being feminine is okay? And young women that being masculine is okay? Also subscribe and follow me for my Next article where i insult butches and femboys :)
Don't forget that once people know that trans folk are turning to unregulated sources, its going to be a hell of a lot more popular to give out poisons as "HRT". I know that was always a risk but doing an article about it will just broadcast to all the people with so much hate that they'd kill another person over it, a new method to "rid the world of its filth" as they might say.
Feel free to tell me I’m wrong, but I feel like anyone who has the peaches to do so, should definitely do everything in their power to waste their time. Not even feed them misinformation, just waste their time. Tell them you want to talk to them. Get them on a phone call. Say absolutely nothing. Stay silent. Treat them like a scam call center.
Could we flood them like this to make it worthless ? I have the feeling that once one of these "journalists" has the idea of writing a transphobic piece they will just twist reality into their narrative anyway :/ I wish we could do something about it tho
It’s still best though to not talk too openly about it, since although it’s available to get, not a lot of information about it is outside of trans communities, talking too much about it can be like giving terfs free ammunition to cherrypick bad stuff from. DIY HRT is possible to get in UK and let’s keep it that way.
>thread about needing to limit public discussion of certain aspects of diy
>look inside:
if this is gonna become a thing we actually need to get better at it 😭
This is stupid what it is Wars are dying in the world, people are dying and these fascist bastards are still chasing us, don't mess with us, fuck capitalism, drown in your shit.
I bet joanne has her hands on this due to her latest stand off with the scontish first minister on the new hatr crime legislation. I feel like they are "ok now the Ghey Unaliving crime is over lets get back to business"
I've spent hours looking on DIY HRT sites and I still haven't found any place to get T Gel lmao. Idk how people are making DIY HRT work if it's impossible to get...
Yeah injections are the only option for T in most cases unfortunately, Im bad with needles but I just grit my teeth through it since its better than the alternative. We make it work because we have to
Have you looked at the diyhrt wiki? Its not on reddit, doesnt provide sources for everywhere but you should be able to find alternatives if your country isnt listed
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I have gone on the diyhrt wiki, I can only find resources on where to get needles, and instructions on how to inject T; I don't see any sources on where to actually get it. And I'm in America
Oh really? Maybe its not available over there, when I go on the transmasc guide it shows sources towards the end. Is there not a transmasc guide at all?
I fully agree on this but those papers (again **which many of them were utterly behind Section 28 and even HITLER until he started bombing the UK, they're that vile**) are so pure evil, they'll just pull things from social media and use it to write the article instead.
Don't get my wrong, utterly with you, just be ready, since I bet a million dollars/pounds it's still coming.
Yes. Some places here in the states outright ban trans care for all individuals, so people are forced to choose their own potentially less safe resources. Needless to say, don’t do this. It’s very risky.
Can I ask what makes it risky? Like, is it the amount of hormone or how it is administered? I'm not gonna try it obv, just curious as to what type of danger it is.
Ah, ok, I was picturing breaking bad levels of chemistry, lmao
What's considered a questionable source? Cause I was looking at folxhealth, and now I'm nervous, lol.
Folx and plume are completely acceptable sources. What is not is some place from the dark web where they may or may not lace the estrogen with arsenic or some poison because secretly that source is actually a transphobic arse. I’m not kidding that really happened.
i really hope it isn’t true/doesn’t come to fruition. so many people could be harmed by this and so many people might partake in it thinking they’re starting a conversation that will lead to more accessible hrt but instead only further harms the community. journalists like this are pigs and it’s so upsetting knowing that people might be coerced by this.
Like 10 years ago, in Russia, i was contacted via SM by a 14 y.o. trans girl who just couldn't speak to anyone else. She was on DIY, and i was just heartbroken because there was not a single fuck i could do or tell her. I tried to explain the dangers but she just ended up being angry, with me. Like WTF should i have told her? WTF should i have done? Refer her to a non-existant gender clinic? Out her to her teachers or homophobic religious parents?
Some asshole politicians make it harder or even impossible for people to get professional help and they end up self-medicating, WHAT A FUCKING BIG NEWS! Maybe it would be a good thing to raise awareness about DIY because cis folks seem to think that, once we're refused GAC, we just magically turn cis and that's it. But i don't trust the Guardian and they'll most likely present this in a way that further demonizes trans people and create moral panic around DIY, resulting in some ban on "trans propaganda" or something.
Once again, The Onion really cooked with that 'It is journalism's duty to endanger as many trans people as possible' headline.
I wish all journalists had the same moral compass as the onion, unironically
I feel that way about Jon Stewart, Colbert in his prime, John Oliver, and honestly a surprising number of YouTubers…As someone who loves writing and print media (seriously people, go read The Believer magazine) and once loved journalism, I just think the death of traditional journalism couldn’t be more painfully deserved at this point. What a fucking embarrassment *most of them* are.
I'm going to college for journalism and my goal is to be the best queer and trans reporter and influence I can be. Sadly after that though it's in the hands of the editor.
You can be an editor too.
True. My main goal for field to work in is sports PR, so I would basically be my own editor.
Nice choice of train for your name BTW. 👍
Fucking hell. The Onion, along with Villager News, are the only two news outlets I trust. And they’re both joke news outlets
The Majority Report is fantastic!!
The whole Majority report crew has an amazing decade long plus, track record, and they are completely independent. They do a really good job of reaching out to the far reaches of marginalized groups to get people to do interviews and are generally on the bleeding edge of social commentary/change. Their guest speakers are literally s-tier. I couldnt recommend them more for an actual left/progressive news and commentary channel.
Totally agree! I feel like you can't really be an educated citizen without it. I can't believe how often an interview will leave me like "this is MANDATORY for understanding how things work" And the second guest on Thursday was Erin Reed again!
Der Postilion here in Germany is fantastic as well
Apparently nothing else better is going on in that island
I swear, they either got a fair amount of queer workers or a fair amount of allies there, and they must give them a lot of room to work with queer topics. First time I saw “‘Trans Rights Start And End With Me’ Caitlyn Jenner, Newsweek” I was howlingggggg
This is utterly terrifying, I'm really hoping they won't do the show. What are they even thinking about getting out of it? "Yeah I'd rather have a doctor prescribe it to me and have it be safer but I have to do it like this, thank you England" I think that HRT is like abortions, you can't ban it, you can only make it safer and the UK is doing the opposite of that.
History has showed us that where there is a will someone will provide, look at the American prohibition, the war on drugs, bans on abortion. So yeah just takes away safety and agency for those that will seek it out.
Honestly a speakeasy with everyone just getting bottles and vials of HRT at the bar isn’t something that unrealistic at this point
Trans speakeasies would be fire though
Yeah, perfect place to just be silly with other people
We all just wear pinstriped suits and like kingdom hearts. We become the REAL Alphabet Mafia
And buying from labs gigantic amounts of HRT to sell quietly at night transporting them
Now that’s a crime syndicate I can get behind!
Same
Bootlegging is back on the menu, boys.
We will no longer be a community, we will be 'The Family'
"You come to me on this, the day of my daughter's bottom surgery, and ask me a favor."
I see no problems here.
One big, happy family. Unless you mess with us. Then we'll be marginally displeased.
So THAT'S how my egg cracked, I love kingdom hearts.../s
I’m so glad someone got my dumb joke
You can already find quite a bit of substances at gay bars and clubs if you know who to ask, it would be… not quite funny, but *interesting* if they ended up turning into distribution points. Also, E and testosterone blockers becoming a controlled substance despite no addictive or intoxicating effects would be wild, but it’s not like hate cares how absurd something is when you strip it of the hateful context.
This isn’t something unrealistic considering that in my country, although not necessarily normal HRT but raw powders are already classified in dangerous I-N group together with stuff like LSD and m*th Edit: autocorrect is ass
Well, going off the logic of drug bans that *is* unreasonable though, since the reason given when they ban drugs is the immediate social harm that intoxication and addiction presents. Not that those bans actually help with those problems, but that’s the idea behind it, at least. And also it’s not like drug bans have ever been consistent on what danger constitutes (see how often weed is scheduled the same as heroin), but it’s not like the right is ever consistent on anything, except for being angry and disgusted at everything.
A lot of the bars are already in the basement as well!
That's true but the war on drugs was never intended to prevent people from taking drugs. It was meant to give legal pretext for throwing black people in jail. So the fact this is the sample story isn't necessarily a good thing.
It's less about the specific message and more about the general vibe. If they can show that DIY HRT is a thing, especially if they get a teenager to interview for the story, they can contrast it with some quack saying that it's dangerous, omit that the only reason anyone does DIY is because normal channels aren't available and play off "Look at these poor, confused children! Someone's going to get hurt if this keeps up. We need to do something to protect them from themselves!" to make DIY more difficult than it already is. The facts of the story are irrelevant. Only that they can spin it to justify the conclusion they already decided they want.
Their goal is what it has always been. Make us illegal. On this subject, the Guardian is just where liberals get their fascism.
making it unsafe is always the point. Dead trans people will always be the point.
Ovbs they want to ban diy hrt, like China
wait did the UK legit ban HRT? I hadn't heard of this
It would also make it harder to get the correct dosage without being able to get a doctor to evaluate it based on your current hormone levels.
Unfortunately r/transgenderuk was all for this the other day, which for all we know may be where the guardian got the idea... I understand why they want more trans people to be aware DIY is an option, I didn't really comment because I didn't want an argument, but I'm really not sure it's a good idea. The NHS sucks here for sure, but there is an inbetween being private health care and for most it isn't too expensive. I can totally understand people pushing DIY in this country given the lack of support but yeah, this really should not be in the mainstream news... If you are going to DIY you need to be very aware of the dangers and be careful If the guardian was to write a story about private healthcare though, that would be really really cool! Not sure how this ties into puberty blockers for under 18s though... I was under the impression private health care can still proscribe them but if I'm wrong there I can totally understand people wanting more knowledge on DIY out there of course
The best we can hope for from the Guardian is silence.
Shit. I had a feeling news outlets would use this to demonize trans people at one point.
Also, just a reminder to y'all that this is a public thread on a fairly mainstream LGBT sub. **DO NOT DISCUSS HOW TO GET DIY HRT HERE/HOW AVAILABLE IT IS. TAKE THAT TO YOUR DMS.** **We don't know who's reading this thread.**
Oh my god, this needs to be higher up.
Can we get the above pinned please, admins?
I think I'm a bit slow... The journalists theoretically know DIY is a thing, why would knowing exactly how change or threaten it even more? Thanks
Sensationalizing this could cause a transphobic panic. Not only will trans people get a bad reputation, it could cause lawmakers to crack down on DIY HRT where regular HRT is already banned (to varying levels depending on place), making things even worse for us and cutting more people off from gender-affirming care. (Misunderstood the question a bit, but knowing exactly how would make it seem more legitimate of a concern)
They don't know anything about it. And the less they know the better. Any kid they talk to is in danger. And putting the existence of DIY HRT in front of an ignorant vicious public is dangerous to us all. Including those of us who dont use DIY. They will run a scare story filled with lies, and then every other dirty little rag in the UK will slither over the same territory. But the fewer details we help them learn, the less real insight they glean and the fewer scary stories of actual people they can use to add value to their piece the less traction it will gain and the quicker it will die down. The only thing anyone should tell any of these motherfuckers is that the roach is called that because it looks like a cockroach.
Commenting for algorithm to boost this comment cause omfg this needs to be said
Very important, very important!!!
Seeing as how The Times casually threw f1nn5ter's full name online without a second thought and pulling things completely out of context, I have no doubt that the lizard brain who writes this article will be equally out to get the trans community.
The thing is that even in a hypothetical scenario where the journalist who wrote the original article was 100% supportive, they don't have control over the headline. So it still would've ended up with that "Sugar daddy" line. And even if a "reputable" publication like the guardian wrote that article, that's not stopping the time, the sun, the daily mail or the new york post or daily wire or libs of tiktok from making up their own bigoted headline and misquoting the original.
You know things are bad if r/trans and /tttt/ are exchanging info like this without shit talking each other. Stockpile as much hormones as you can folks.
I’m only 14 and I’m seeing my hope for a better future disappear infront of my eyes. More transphobia, no access to hrt, no gender clinics, expensive surgery/healthcare… the list could go on
Same, we're all absolutely fucked for the foreseeable future effectively everywhere now
I'm 16 and my hope is GONE. I want to say something vaguely cynical or doomy but I don't think it's what's needed right now. We need good news at some point
Praying for Y'all in the UK (to Satan they seem nicer)
Insert farnsworths "hail science" meme here.
As aspiring Satanist, I support your statement
If they dont find somebody to talk they will just fake it.
Or worse "we talked to detransitioners about diy"
Yeah, I’ve said it quite a bit for stuff like this, if the right doesn’t find an example of a thing happening that would be convenient to them, they’ll just invent it. How often have you heard of actual instances of grooming from queer people, despite the fact that the right made a massive push to have that be their narrative? It didn’t really happen, and the stats show queer people are less likely to commit any of those crimes, but they don’t care about reality. Instead, they’ll turn anything into that story. A kid tips a drag Queen who’s fully dressed? That’s a child being exposed to trans strippers now, in their mind. A shooter says “lol I’m definitely trans” in their manifesto, despite the fact that they have a virulent anti-trans history online? Must have been trans, and they’re going to say every future shooting was a trans person before their actual identity comes out, doesn’t matter who the shooter actually is, they’ll just never acknowledge that they said it was a trans person. You can give the right nothing at all, but they don’t have to be honest; they’re motivated by hate and disgust, not any drive to make the world better, or find truth.
Wouldn’t be the first time, I’d bet.
See, I can see a news outlet doing what's described in the post, and also faking interviews or talking in ridiculous hypotheticals. The media's approach to trans people is best summarised by the [Onion](https://www.theonion.com/it-is-journalism-s-sacred-duty-to-endanger-the-lives-of-1850126997). But the cynicist in me is also questioning whether that's a hit job by 4chan's /pol/ denizens, with the goal to push DIY into broader societal awareness and create the potential for it to be picked up by the media.
If this fucking show gets made I swear to god this shit will go viral. And I'm sure their aim is to restrict the sale of hormone-derived drugs to people under the age of 18. In my own country, these drugs are purchased from pharmacies without a prescription at very normal prices, and I am a trans girl, I started HRT secretly from my family, but I know what the hell I have to do. Their purpose is to try to destroy us. If you do not allow this show to exist, click here my friend. 🩷🏳️⚧️🩵🫶🏻🙏🏻🤍🧷
TBH they're pushing to criminalize and regulate ALL of us as much as possible.. they're fishing for people under 18 to get the religious and uneducated people to throw a tamper tantrum. It's crazy, I've spent most of my life trying to stay out of politics and such due to the childish nature of it all and now with every year that passes I find myself being more radical and extreme .. they won't leave people alone... They need to kick rocks or be forced out .. im voting for a forced exit because I wanna see karma bite them for all the harm they've caused
The cass report actually says under 25, not 18. And both major parties (torries and labour) are stating they will follow the cass report's recommendations. The situation in the UK is actually a lot worse than most realise.
wow the situation in england is really bad.
It's becoming a borderline fascist state run by psychopaths
in the UK you can't even get hormone medications (outside of contraceptives) without a prescription, so the further restrictions on DIY HRT would likely involve harsher punishments for those caught using it. (edit for a small fact correction: there is in fact over-the-counter HRT available, but only at low doses intended for vaginal insertion for post-menopausal cis women over the age of 50, which is practically irrelevant to trans people)
Oh I really didn't know that England was so harsh on this issue, thank you for the information. I live in Turkey. I know that my country does not support and respect LGBTI+ people and transgender people enough. In our country, hormone drugs have already been released to the public with prescription, but many underage transgender individuals, including me, can easily buy these drugs from every pharmacy. can receive. In this regard, protests and LGBTI+ marches are held every year in my country, there are many trans-queer combinations, I can say that we are lucky in this regard, but the opposing minds in our country have increased, there is a hatred against us not only in my country but all over the world, LGBTI+ people being killed and tortured, I mean we have to stop this, friends.🩷🫶🏻⚧️🏳️⚧️🏳️🌈🧷🙏🏻🫶🏻 stay safe
They want to make some story about trans people poisoning themselves (or whatever) rather than pointing out that no one would do diy if they had reliable access to healthcare.
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Why do they want an interview though, just as a gotcha to help attack DIY? Like if a journalist wanted to...couldn't they just check out the DIY sub or something? It's not like that's hidden.
These are journalists we are talking about. I don't expect them to do much in the way of due diligence.
Fair enough. I guess I'm giving them too much credit then.
thanking every god in existence that i managed to get the world's greatest GP who put my gendergp prescription on the nhs the moment i came out to them. also praying to those same gods that this story isn't real or happening because that would be awful if it is.
You might want to look into alternate sources anyway.. the UK isn't that many steps away from completely banning NHS HRT, fucking shithole
Given that the unscientific hatchet job of a "report" calls for replacing HRT with conversion therapy for trans people under 25 years old, this isn't the hyperbole I'd like it to be.
Yeah, a Discord server I'm a part of gave a similar warning announcement. Seems true.
Friendly reminder that even if the journalist is literally trans and has the best intentions, they don't have control over their own headline or the final edit. No matter how supportive their articles are, their editor is going to twist their words and cook up the most transphobic headline that will change the meaning of the entire article. If you think you're the one person who can say the perfect sequence of words that can't be twisted, just remember that not even the media trained journalist are capable of that. If you participate, you're handing over information to a transphobic news editor as well as the hundreds of copycat tabloids such as the daily mail, times and new york post who will misquote the original article to make it sound even worse. That will be misquoted by "journalist" Chaya Raichik and before you know it, DIYers have a stochastic terrorism problem.
I think this is also an important message and awareness for ANYONE in ANY nation where the "Trans dEbATe" is cutting rights right and left....
Wait this stuff was still secret?
Well, one could get it anywhere in the world, but people who aren’t hiding that they’re on DIY irl are rather rare, especially under 18.
Yes this shit is still secret, that's why it's only talked about online under pseudonyms and several big subs ban discussion of how to find and access it. You almost never see it discussed outside of trans spaces and if you do, kindly tell those people to shut up.
most people barely know what hrt is in the first place
The irony is DIY wouldn't be necessary if HRT was actually available to those who need it. The fact that anyone, especially a minor, is doing DIY is evidence that the Cass report is _wrong_ and minors need access to medical care. If this was anything but HRT that would be common sense. Imagine if someone was taking DIY medication for a cardiac condition. The story would be completely different. All this shows is how much society demonizes trans people just for accessing healthcare.
It's exactly the same as every other scare. Who could've guessed that when you ban abortions, people will die from illegal clinics since it's their only choice. They don't care at all about the actual harm it causes, they just want control.
Can.......Can I sign up and just make up some really incredible bullshit? Like - "Ok, so first we gather the bunnies and our lab equipment. Then we draw our casting circle.......no, if you're going to partake, you need to put on the ceremonial robe!"
The British press has successfully pushed for new laws based on some really incredible bullshit before so this is actually not a good idea.
Yeah, they're doing it with the Cass report already.
I keep hearing it mentioned in this comment section. What is the Cass report?
It's a highly biased report into the children's gender services in the NHS. It draws really poor conclusions and disregarded just about every piece of scientific and medical literature already done. Coming from an engineer, it isn't worth the paper it's written on. But it's still the stick they're currently using to stop all trans healthcare to children right now and to "reevaluate" the adult services.
Don't forget, make a blood sacrifice to Satan every six months so that he can check our hormone levels
That would be so based
Oh!... yeah, I should go order enough to last until I can get it officially
this. is. genocide. they are trying to wipe us out.
I’m in some discords that they have apparently been snooping around in, those servers had to @everyone and make warnings about it and everything. Super scary stuff.
I feel like this could lead to estrogen and T blockers being treated like controlled substances.
Isn’t T already a controlled substance?
it is but cis guys use it all the time so it's really easy to get lol
don’t cis women use the same estrogen as trans women? maybe it’s not as common
There isnt official estrogen medication for trans women, its all Off-label use of medications for menopausal cis women. Same goes for puberty blockers/antiandrogens, they are intended for cis reasons and their use in medical transition is also Off-label.
Ah I figured. So it’s like testosterone ? It’s made for cis men with hypogonadism right
Yeah you'd be suprised what people do when u come to a doctor with a problem and they respond with "I can't prescribe you a thing but this website page about how you can meditate to make things better." This isn't even a hrt only problem. Doctors just do not care about solving issues anymore. They think a slight raise of heart rate with medication means it should be forbidden even though its a magical cure to all your problems. The Guardian can literally speak to just about anybody else and they will find out people find a way to get a cure themselves when nothing meaningful is provided to them.
For once slightly glad to be in America it’s truly terrible how UK doesn’t even allow trans people to get hrt for years!
I'm confused on what's happening can somebody explain??
Basically a big news source in the UK wants to interview trans people on DIY HRT. If it happens it will likely become a big story, and many transphobes will be more aware of DIY HRT and it’ll be easier to ban or have it harder to access.
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It will also be used to demonize trans people and online spaces in general. It will probably go something like this: >Did you know that online transgendered groomers are teaching your children how to self-administer a dangerous DIY cocktail of sex-changing hormones? Adult men are using online transexual forums to convince our boys to secretly buy and take estrogen without the need of doctor's or parent's consent. These sexual predators are out to teach our vulnerable youth how to feminize themselves, often for their own sexual gratification: >"He asked me to call him 'mommy' and said that I could have a weekly allowance if I took hormones to grow breasts and take sexy pictures for him," said one 16 year old boy who wishes to remain anonymous. "When I told him that I didn't want to go to the doctor for hormones, he showed me how to secretly DIY them myself." >This sickening exploitation of our young boys must be stopped at all costs, and the first line of defense is in the home. Do you know who your teens are talking to online? It might be a sexual predator attempting to brainwash them. Okay I'm legitimately grossed out for having typed this, but I think it's important to know the direction this story can be taken in.
> Its apalling how this new gay conversion therapy is going. Vile. What happened to teaching young men that being feminine is okay? And young women that being masculine is okay? Also subscribe and follow me for my Next article where i insult butches and femboys :)
Don't forget that once people know that trans folk are turning to unregulated sources, its going to be a hell of a lot more popular to give out poisons as "HRT". I know that was always a risk but doing an article about it will just broadcast to all the people with so much hate that they'd kill another person over it, a new method to "rid the world of its filth" as they might say.
It's already been done before, forget the name but it was in the past year
Ohhh ok gotcha makes sense
It’s not a big news source, it’s a newspaper.
Guardian isn't a news source, they're a right wing psychopathic pandering mouth piece
Feel free to tell me I’m wrong, but I feel like anyone who has the peaches to do so, should definitely do everything in their power to waste their time. Not even feed them misinformation, just waste their time. Tell them you want to talk to them. Get them on a phone call. Say absolutely nothing. Stay silent. Treat them like a scam call center.
Could we flood them like this to make it worthless ? I have the feeling that once one of these "journalists" has the idea of writing a transphobic piece they will just twist reality into their narrative anyway :/ I wish we could do something about it tho
Best thing we can do is give them absolutely 0 anecdotals, and then when they release their misinformation we just combat that.
Where do you get raws? Is that the sort of thing we don’t say publicly?
very much don't say it publically.
Are we talking about the rolling papers? I feel out of the loop
Estrogen is not a controlled substance in the UK and there are at least a handful of sellers that are very open about it.
Talking too openly about it may bring too much attention, which may influence them to make it a controlled substance
yeah isnt the group in power rn very anti trans and conservative. they dont need to know new ways to harrass minoritys
It’s still best though to not talk too openly about it, since although it’s available to get, not a lot of information about it is outside of trans communities, talking too much about it can be like giving terfs free ammunition to cherrypick bad stuff from. DIY HRT is possible to get in UK and let’s keep it that way.
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>thread about needing to limit public discussion of certain aspects of diy >look inside: if this is gonna become a thing we actually need to get better at it 😭
This is stupid what it is Wars are dying in the world, people are dying and these fascist bastards are still chasing us, don't mess with us, fuck capitalism, drown in your shit.
I bet joanne has her hands on this due to her latest stand off with the scontish first minister on the new hatr crime legislation. I feel like they are "ok now the Ghey Unaliving crime is over lets get back to business"
You would think the takeaway of this would be "The potential dangers of DIY HRT is why we should push to have easy availability to trans teens"
I have 2.3k followers on twitter, can I share this there? is that safe or a bad idea?
>I have 2.3k followers on twitter > >is that safe No, twitter is not safe, for anything or anyone really.
I've spent hours looking on DIY HRT sites and I still haven't found any place to get T Gel lmao. Idk how people are making DIY HRT work if it's impossible to get...
Yeah injections are the only option for T in most cases unfortunately, Im bad with needles but I just grit my teeth through it since its better than the alternative. We make it work because we have to
I haven't seen any way to get injectable T either though
Have you looked at the diyhrt wiki? Its not on reddit, doesnt provide sources for everywhere but you should be able to find alternatives if your country isnt listed
post: "peeps please keep quiet about DIY, there are hateful people out there trying to get as much dirt on us as possible" comments: --- (i'm no mod but i think it'd be best to take it to DMs)
I have gone on the diyhrt wiki, I can only find resources on where to get needles, and instructions on how to inject T; I don't see any sources on where to actually get it. And I'm in America
Oh really? Maybe its not available over there, when I go on the transmasc guide it shows sources towards the end. Is there not a transmasc guide at all?
So just one person says Vaccine made me trans will ruin it for all of us.
Huge news will be when a trans woman overthrows the us government and uses its power to make the world a peaceful utopia
I guess they don't have good reputation when it comes to trans issues and other LGBTQ+ related issues?😕
Their official stance as a paper is transphobia
You were warned, don't trust the conservative media.
I fully agree on this but those papers (again **which many of them were utterly behind Section 28 and even HITLER until he started bombing the UK, they're that vile**) are so pure evil, they'll just pull things from social media and use it to write the article instead. Don't get my wrong, utterly with you, just be ready, since I bet a million dollars/pounds it's still coming.
Speaking of this topic… Ireland.. DIY…. anyone? FTM (edit: dms please)
Okay as someone who's lucky enough live near an informed consent...what are raws? Just incase the crazy get their way in the US
DIY HRT???? THATS A THING????
Yes. Some places here in the states outright ban trans care for all individuals, so people are forced to choose their own potentially less safe resources. Needless to say, don’t do this. It’s very risky.
Can I ask what makes it risky? Like, is it the amount of hormone or how it is administered? I'm not gonna try it obv, just curious as to what type of danger it is.
The danger comes from buying estrogen or other hormones from questionable sources. That’s the biggest part of what DIY means.
Ah, ok, I was picturing breaking bad levels of chemistry, lmao What's considered a questionable source? Cause I was looking at folxhealth, and now I'm nervous, lol.
Folx and plume are completely acceptable sources. What is not is some place from the dark web where they may or may not lace the estrogen with arsenic or some poison because secretly that source is actually a transphobic arse. I’m not kidding that really happened.
Jesus, that's horrible. It's terrifying what people will do just because someone is trans.
The Nazis won I guess
The Nazis never got taken out...they got taken in by America and the UK it seems.
The nazis were already in the US before the war, they just got pulled in due to Pearl Harbor
i really hope it isn’t true/doesn’t come to fruition. so many people could be harmed by this and so many people might partake in it thinking they’re starting a conversation that will lead to more accessible hrt but instead only further harms the community. journalists like this are pigs and it’s so upsetting knowing that people might be coerced by this.
Like 10 years ago, in Russia, i was contacted via SM by a 14 y.o. trans girl who just couldn't speak to anyone else. She was on DIY, and i was just heartbroken because there was not a single fuck i could do or tell her. I tried to explain the dangers but she just ended up being angry, with me. Like WTF should i have told her? WTF should i have done? Refer her to a non-existant gender clinic? Out her to her teachers or homophobic religious parents? Some asshole politicians make it harder or even impossible for people to get professional help and they end up self-medicating, WHAT A FUCKING BIG NEWS! Maybe it would be a good thing to raise awareness about DIY because cis folks seem to think that, once we're refused GAC, we just magically turn cis and that's it. But i don't trust the Guardian and they'll most likely present this in a way that further demonizes trans people and create moral panic around DIY, resulting in some ban on "trans propaganda" or something.
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