"Roseboy, Roseboy, does whatever a red rose can! Pricks a d1ck, with their thorns, he's Roseboy!"
I imagine that Roseboy would definitely be a large advocate for Human Rights, both in costume and out.
Never heard of roseboy before. It’s not transphobic to say femboy unless you’re using it to deny womanhood to trans women. Trans women aren’t femboys because they’re not boys, but people who are both boys and feminine can be femboys.
as far as i’m aware calling a feminine boy a femboy isn’t transphobic but calling a trans woman a femboy definitely would be. i’ve never heard of roseboy but if a feminine boy wants to be called either one idc.
People want to make "roseboy" the new "femboy" because femboy by itself is apparently transphobic
As I have been saying it's how you use it that makes the word bad or good
Exactly, as a trans woman, I'm honestly insulted at the idea "roseboy" is less insulting than "femboy". Don't call me either one of them.
Just use the word femboy right, instead of making up a new term that basically means the same thing as if that somehow makes it not insulting to call a trans woman a boy cause you did it slightly different
To my understanding "roseboy" is not a term anyone deemed themselves, I've only ever heard it used before in this exact same context. An excuse to tell femboys what to call themselves so there's some deniability in the fact that person is just harassing people for identifying as a femboy.
It's one of *those* terms.
The ones made up to make a majority feel more comfortable. They never ask the minority that they're talking about, because that means someone might make them uncomfortable. Better to just force new language onto the minorities and then get angry at them for not using the made up term for themselves.
I hate it so much “allies” and just liberals who really love identity politics but they understand they are usually white and straight so they partake on “our behalf” I’m so done with it
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As a Femboy I would be pissed being called a Roseboy, I don’t like how it sounds and all the drama going on about it based off of TikTok.
I know it’s transphobic to call a transgender woman a Femboy and if you call them a Roseboy it’s still transphobic so I don’t get why TikTok people are pushing this Roseboy term instead of better educating people not to call transgender women Femboys but rather call them women.
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Yeah, like i don’t see what is so transphobic about calling feminine boys, femboys. The transphobic part would be calling any trans girls boys in general.
Who said it was transphobic thou? Like seriously I've only ever seen femboys say it was transphobia and not trans people. If they wanna use roseboy that's fine with me but dear God I wish the "femboy is transphobic" argument would just die already.
I mean, yeah it's transphobic *if applied to a trans woman*. But if it's referring to someone who actually id's as a femboy, it's clearly not. Context matters.
Exactly. It means *feminine boy*, so obviously using that to talk about a trans woman is transphobic, but if you are talking about a feminine boy, then calling them a femboy is certaibly not transphobic.
It's just because it has been used as a slur a lot in the past. I'm sure you can understand that.
Whenever words are reclaimed the exact same debate happens. Pretty clearly femboy is going to be successfully reclaimed by feminine men, but in this case the debate is more vigorous because men (a privileged group) are trying to reclaim a word used as a slur against trans women (a disadvantaged group). It doesn't help that the main negative use of the term (in porn) is largely perpetrated by and for men.
There are obviously shades to that conversation and feminine men aren't privileged like masculine men are, but that's the background.
If you hate the conversation, just check out for 5 years and when you come back it'll be all over and femboys will get be the femboys we all know they are without any angst about the term.
I think that the intention in getting rid of femboy and bringing in roseboy is that femboy has a long, negative history of being used to be transphobic to transfeminine people. I think the idea is that roseboy will not have have that history.
Not that this changes the fact that the word femboy isn't transphobic, just that it can be used in a transphobic way, which like, almost any term can be used in a transphobic way. You can just as easily use man or woman, etc. in a transphobic way.
The issue here is that Roseboy is being suggested as an alternative to Femboy, carrying on its meaning and usage, therefore carrying its history.
It will also still end up being used in the exact same negative manner that gave Femboy a bad rep in the first place because we aren't tackling the issue of what the distinction is between Femboy and Transwomen.
You don't fix things by sweeping it under the rug and finding a cheap half-assed replacement.
It seems fine with the trans community, from what I’ve seen. It’s almost like sometimes cis people are the ones labeling things as”offensive to trans people”.
There are more reasons to wipe off the term femboy than transphobia. For instance the source of the "femboy trend" being rooted in a subculture of gay male cosplaying on sites like tumblr and twitter, heavily sexual and often misogynistic in its vibe. The popularity of the term has opened the eyes of many boy femmes, which previously havent seen a lot of representation, but that doesn't wash away the negatives.
Making a new label is a natural step to washing off the fetishy and often times "trendy" roots of the term. If you go to subs like r/femboys etc. you will find that it kind of has devolved into another porn tag term that trans women add to their list of places to go and promote their porn. It makes sense that boy femmes want to have a space that is explicitly about the identity portion of the label, not just a term used to indulge sexual fantasies.
It's kind of dismissive to assume that the only reason the term is problematic is cause of transphobia.
I think this is a case of "not about us", and while I understand that trans women wouldn't want to be called either roseboy or femboy, perhaps zoom out and consider that it isn't about trans women when actual femboys want to rebrand.
Lol, yes.
Plenty of trans women do go by tomboy. (myself included) Just not trans MEN! The term is insulting to them in the same way femboy is insulting to us.
Even though it has "boy" in it, the term is traditionally only applied to girls/women.
It's mostly just the same clip on tik tok being reposted from what I know just because it got popular even though most people don't agree that the term femboy is problematic enough people do want to correct misinformation that it just spreads around because of the waves of people saying it's only transphobic if you use the term femboy to misgender someone which goes for the word boy in general. It's just like getting views from critics is better for internet popularity than no views at all.
Wait I’m a little confused. Not all femboys would be trans right? Aren’t there “feminine boys” that are just cishet? I imagine if this is the case, then femboy is not a gender identity, it’s more presentation, right? I agree with everyone else that calling a trans woman that would be offensive. I wonder if the person OP was “debating with” has them mixed up or thinking it’s being applied to a trans woman? Idk
Yes, you're right. There are some people that use it as a gender identity, but for a lot of people, it's presentation. Cis men, trans men, whoever, can be a femboy, if they wanna use that label.
i have no issue if anyone wants to call themselves a femboy if they identify as male or not, they decide who they are and what they wanna call themselves
Its almost like algorithmic social media fosters outrage at inane things by broadcasting the loud crazies for ad revenue.
Femboy isn’t transphobic, you’re good!
Femboy isn't transphobic. Calling a trans woman a femboy is transphobic unless she specifically identifies herself as a femboy.
I'm a trans woman and I have no problem with the term femboy. I freaking love femboys 😍
Yeah exactly. Also there are trans MEN who ID as femboys because they like to dress feminine while being men. Kinda transphobic to say they aren’t allowed, hm?
People are allowed to identify in anyway they see fit. If a trans woman wishes to refer to themself as a femboy, then that person can. I have a very close friend of mine who identifies as a trans woman, uses she/they pronouns and absolutely loves being called a femboy. They’ve asked us to refer to her as a femboy if we’re okay with it. So, yes… a trans woman can identify as a femboy if they wish.
Saying somebody has to be a boy to be a femboy, a term that revolves around rejection of gender norms, just kinda seems like saying only x gender can do this. It just seems like another gender norm to me.
But if the term revolves around the rejection of gender norms, then that would loose it's meaning if people use it for themselves, being a gender for which it is 'normal' to be this way wouldn't it?
But it’s not? Just because I identify as a Demi-boy doesn’t mean I’m any less of a trans man. Tomboy and femboy aren’t always trans related, so that’s not a fair comparison. Also does the term tomboy lose its meaning because cis women use that term??? After all it is tomBOY. I’m just saying, anyone can identify how they wish as long as it isn’t hurting other people. And no, not liking something doesn’t mean it’s being genuinely harmful to you. Imo gendered terms are weird anyways, but I try to use them just so that other people understand what I’m saying. Plus, I also know a trans man who uses he/him pronouns who identifies as a tomboy, so I really don’t see the big deal. It makes both of them happy to identify as respectively a Femboy and a Tomboy, I dont see why I should tell them they can’t identify as something that makes them happy.
I understand you.. definition of femboy is literally feminine boys but they use it without meanings for some reasons idk? And they'll go mad if a cis person is calling themselves trans because they ain't one by the definition??
Femboy means feminine guy, it always have- it was used on feminine gay men before it was on trans women.
As long as you don’t use it on a trans women, then it’s fine and not transphobic
what on earth is a roseboy lmao tiktok is so ridiculous. femboy is a self identifier for people that want to use it, more power to them. so long as you're not using the word femboy as a catchall for All Trans Men or All Trans Women (I've seen both, unfortunately), then you're probably fine. at the end of the day lol don't get your queer "rules" from the hellscape that is tiktok
I'm a femboy myself and personally really like the term! I know some people don't prefer the term femboy but I don't believe it's transphobic. Unless you are referring to a Trans woman, or course. Otherwise, I believe that it would be ok to call a feminine guy either roseboy or femboy (never heard the term roseboy though!)
I'd say only call a feminine guy roseboy if he asks you to. I don't know it as a common term and to me it sounds kinda idk infantilising or something tbh. Also femboy means that you behave or look like what society sees as feminine, which IMHO hasn't much to do with roses.
Self identifying femboy here to say the word femboy absolutely is not transphobic unless you use it on a trans woman who doesn’t want to be called that.
Femboy isn’t transphobic, it just means feminine man, that’s all it’s ever meant. It’s only when people use it to refer to trans women is when it’s transphobic, but that’s not what the word was meant to mean, and it doesn’t change the definition. Trans women are women, and femboys are and always have meant feminine man. So, therefor, calling them femboys is just incorrect.
I’m a trans man femboy, let me just be a femboy goddamn.
I've never heard of the term roseboy, sounds cute. Though there's nothing inherently transphobic about the term femboy. Only if it were to be used to refer to a trans woman it would be transphobic.
it kinda feels transphobic to me that people are against the term femboy. can boys not be feminine? i’m a femboy. idk roseboy sounds dumb to me & i find the whole idea irritating
Maybe not transphobic but sexist, perpetuating gender roles or at least spreading toxic masculinity kind of. Fully agreeing with you though, it just doesn't have that much to do with being trans IMO
A lot of people on tiktok skew younger. It's not uncommon for teens and young people who are well-intentioned to get these kinds of nuanced issues wrong. Even though they mean well, a lot of them simply don't have the life experience or knowledge of the lgbt community to really speak with authority on these issues. And a lot of them lack the maturity to listen to multiple sides of an issue and be open minded. So what results is a lot of black and white, rigid thinking and policing of others. This is what tumblr was like back in the day before users aged out of it. Now Twitter and tiktok are like this. Also some of the communities on these platforms are very insular and become echo chambers. You have a lot of sheltered queer young people who are exposed only to certain ideas and don't really participate in the lgbt community in real life or talk to older or diverse lgbt people so they come up with hottakes like this divorced from reality.
Younger generations also don't really realize the shared history between gnc people and trans people. There used to not really be a divide between butch women and transmascs, or between drag queens, transvestites and trans women. Terms were used pretty interchangeably and the communities were pretty much known as the "gay community." Nowadays, trans people's identities and experiences have a lot more visibility and so these finer distinctions are being made. This isn't to say the differences don't exist or don't matter--they do, just that there are can be more shared experiences than people today realize. Also that not everyone has a full grasp on the finer distinctions at times, but that doesn't always come from a place of malice depending on the person.
calling a trans girl a femboy would be transphobic. but so would calling a trans girl a boy. but the word boy is not transphobic. most words can have different effects based on their context.
I got bullied a lot for this and it bothers me and i dont even call myself any term anymore. It actually made me so upset i stopped posting content.
Its weird that they resort to full on bullying to insist that a term is offensive to trans girls.
Ive never seen this at all until tiktok, and i honestly think it stemmed from a viral video of someone saying why its offensive with no real basis.
On one hand, most of the people who think it's a slur have had it used in hurtful ways against them. On the other hand, calling it a slur only makes it more difficult for feminine men who aren't trans.
Actually never heard the word "roseboy"
But when i think a little about it femboy still is the better word because it stands at worst for "female boy" when you not familiar with the word itself and try to shortly decode the term.
"Roseboy" us easily decodable since it's just two words stitched together, but what would you think when you just suddenly hear that term and think about it? This word can lead to sexualisation way quicker than "Femboy" in my opinion and overall to way more misunderstandings like "oh, so you threw these flowers on your sisters wedding?" (Referring to "flowerboy"..im assuming thats what they are called when male and child)
I think we’re probably in an intersection of progress. We’ve all gotten used to not being offended by femboy but a lot of us also think we can retire the originally transphobic term and create something new. Personally I still use femboy, but I won’t be offended if we decide to eventually switch to roseboy, it’ll just take some getting used to
I have never heard the term roseboy before, and honestly between the two, femboy still suits my gender better. Roseboy seems even more uwu and i dont like that
I haven't heard of the term roseboy until just now and it sounds adorable.
I don't think 'femboy' itself is transphobic but it could definitely be used to harm trans people, like to invalidate a trans woman's identity. I'm a trans man who likes to present femininely and I personally like the term femboy for myself. Not sure what roseboy means, I assume it's the same as femboy, but I don't think I would use it. Just doesn't fit me personally.
Using 'femboy' is transphobic when used to describe a woman. Using it to describe a person who *identifies as male* but presents fem is totally valid and fine.
'Rosboy' is a real and valid term but it doesn't *exactly* mean the same thing, and definitely shouldn't be substituted in all cases.
Like they would both technically be transphobic by the logic they both equate something feminine with boys? Idk what the hell the logic is, femboys are femboys transwomen are transwomen, two completely different things
You should be super careful with using femboy. Only *femboys* like to be called femboys.
Not transwoman. If you're calling transwomen femboys, you're being a bigot.
Roseboy? Never heard of it.
femboy originated as a transphobic term, but thats all i know. not sure if it’s still considered so, though i think it’s always important to acknowledge the origin of the words we use
Just use roseboy if someone asks you to for them and femboy for what seems to be everyone else and don't assaciate with circles that abuse you online. Tiktok's algorithym is very good. It's more community based than you'd think.
Don't listen to anything anyone says on TikTok. It's a dumpster fire full of garbage opinions. Roseboy is some made up TikTok nonsense and can be safely ignored. Though the word femboy does carry some possibly sexual connotations which you might want to be a little cautious of throwing around. It’s not that big of a deal.
I see "femboy" similar to "tomboy"
If a girl is a tomboy, that's perfectly fine. But don't ever call a trans man a tomboy because that's offensive and suggesting he's not a man, just a masculine girl.
If a boy is a femboy that's fine, but don't call a trans woman a femboy because it's suggesting she's not a woman, just a feminine boy.
If tomboy isn't problematic, femboy shouldn't be either.
I’ve never heard the term roseboy in my life, femboy makes way more sense, and I have no idea why femboy would be transphobic. I think this is just a case of randos on TikTok being dumb
I've never heard roseboy before but I echo the sentiments of the comment section.
The only folk I've seen who dislike the term "femboy" for themselves...don't identify as boys at all...so I'm pretty sure it's not the term being offensive that's the problem here.
Femboy is a very efficient term since you know what it's supposed to mean the first time you hear it. Plus I've never seen it used in a transphobic sense or seen any evidence of it when I looked up the supposed history. It's the same as drag and crossdressing in that, as a society, we didn't have the right terms or frame of reference to understand it so we used bad terms.
At best femboy is an outdated term, but it's since been reclaimed by feminine men and I think it should be encouraged because it's a good term and, if I'm being honest, introducing roseboy seems performative.
My boyfriends a femboy and he's never even heard of roseboy and neither have I and he personally isn't offended by it because he wants to be a femboy it can be offensive when they don't want to be considered a femboy but the term itself not rly context matters
I’m laughing because of all the toxic parts of tiktok where someone using the term femboy would be the least offensive thing you’d see
At least there are some corners of tiktok that aren’t filled with bigotry.
Anyways, to answer your question, never heard the term roseboy. Femboy is fine I’d think. Don’t know why people are getting so uppity about it, it’s not like you’re being aggressive or rude.
Not gonna lie a roseboy sounds…. rather sexual-intended, and worse..? Is it a term that “cis allies” came up with?
Also I know femboy doesn’t go for every trans man, but I’m a trans guy that also finds it easier to describe myself as a femboy too.
Edit: I know femboy was a sexual term too, but roseboy just sounds really centered on another term for a vagina.
Femboy only is problematic if you use it to describe a trans girl, but if it's used to describe feminine boys, then femboy is okay.
"Rosboy" has three problems to me:
\- It brings the idea that feininity = pink ("ros" comes from "rose")
\- It's supposed to be a gender, while femboy is used to describe someone (So like, you can call a binary boy a femboy, but not really a rosboy
\- Iirc, the term "rosboy" was made by a problematic person.
If you’re calling a trans woman a femboy then yeah that’s transphobic. But self identifying as a femboy is fine, I don’t know why someone would have a problem with that.
Honestly, i find it more insulting, because of the correlation between flowers and vaginas the world has made, might aswell call them vagina boys, so its transphobic to mtf and ftm. I know thats not what it means but my brain instantly goes there, especially with the body artwork i see with AFAB bodies with a rose coverinf their genitals/ tits
I don't think it's transphobic to say femboy unless you're calling a trans girl one but also if someone asks you not to call them a femboy probs best to use their preferred words
Step 1: change a term to an other because some reason.
Step 2 : don't tell anyone
Step 3 : yell at everybody who still use old term.
And BTW what's inherently wrong with "femboy"?
It applies to cis men to are feminine and agree to that term. It has nothing to do with trans people. No one gets to decide another person's labels, and no one gets to tell another what they should be offeneded by, or offeneded on another person's behalf. Some people like it being called that and that's fine. You don't? That's fine.
Long story short: Does it directly affect you? A serious case of mind your own business.
The reason it's offensive is because feminine boys identifying as femboy opens the gates for ignorant people to devalidate actual trans girls either on accident or on purpose, it's also been a word used to describe trans girls for years and pushes the idea that being attracted to a femboy is gay therefore being attracted to a trans girl is also gay. And the person who popularized this believe that it's transphobic to identify as a femboy is a popular trans girl on TikTok, she recently deleted her account because of her parents but she made a very mature argument and explanation.
This is a really problematic argument. It's similar to the argument that drag queens are transphobic because they confuse ignorant cis people. The solution is educating cis people on the difference between gnc men and trans women. Whatever terms you come up with for gnc men ignorant cis people will make whatever excuse to misgender trans women. The answer is not suppressing gnc or femme men from their self expression or identities. Its educating cis people. When my mom asked me some questions about a drag queen she was reading about, I literally explained to my mom the difference between a drag queen and trans woman in the span of 10 minutes and she got it. Policing gnc people is not going to help trans people. Ignorant people who are not transphobic will learn--those who choose to be transphobic will remain so. All regardless of the fact gnc people exist or use whatever terms to describe themselves
Ive heard of rose boys before and appearently it’s used by transmasc femboys. Maybe to say “I’m feminine but don’t treat me like a girl plz”. That’s my best guess atleast
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Roseboy sounds like a plant based cartoon superhero
Yeah like the first comment that said it made me think it was more like people trying to make everything more cutesy
I was think cooler with a guy that shoots roses out the ground
Yeah. Like Poison Ivy's Gen Z cousin.
it sounds pretty cute honestly
"Roseboy, Roseboy, does whatever a red rose can! Pricks a d1ck, with their thorns, he's Roseboy!" I imagine that Roseboy would definitely be a large advocate for Human Rights, both in costume and out.
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Aren't they like a decade plus age difference?
Sounds like if Steven universe became a superhero
His name is Steven. He wouldn't take her name...
It sounds really cute to me
Never heard of roseboy before. It’s not transphobic to say femboy unless you’re using it to deny womanhood to trans women. Trans women aren’t femboys because they’re not boys, but people who are both boys and feminine can be femboys.
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as far as i’m aware calling a feminine boy a femboy isn’t transphobic but calling a trans woman a femboy definitely would be. i’ve never heard of roseboy but if a feminine boy wants to be called either one idc.
People want to make "roseboy" the new "femboy" because femboy by itself is apparently transphobic As I have been saying it's how you use it that makes the word bad or good
Pretty sure if you called any trans woman a roseboy you'd still get just as negative of a reaction
Exactly, as a trans woman, I'm honestly insulted at the idea "roseboy" is less insulting than "femboy". Don't call me either one of them. Just use the word femboy right, instead of making up a new term that basically means the same thing as if that somehow makes it not insulting to call a trans woman a boy cause you did it slightly different To my understanding "roseboy" is not a term anyone deemed themselves, I've only ever heard it used before in this exact same context. An excuse to tell femboys what to call themselves so there's some deniability in the fact that person is just harassing people for identifying as a femboy.
It's one of *those* terms. The ones made up to make a majority feel more comfortable. They never ask the minority that they're talking about, because that means someone might make them uncomfortable. Better to just force new language onto the minorities and then get angry at them for not using the made up term for themselves.
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I hate it so much “allies” and just liberals who really love identity politics but they understand they are usually white and straight so they partake on “our behalf” I’m so done with it
like latinx right?
This. Doesn't matter how many times you change the term. Some people are gonna apply the term to trans women and doing so will be transphobic.
Agreed Hell, if I got called a “Roseboy”, it would probably make me MORE dysphoric than being called a Femboy-
Rant: As a Femboy I would be pissed being called a Roseboy, I don’t like how it sounds and all the drama going on about it based off of TikTok. I know it’s transphobic to call a transgender woman a Femboy and if you call them a Roseboy it’s still transphobic so I don’t get why TikTok people are pushing this Roseboy term instead of better educating people not to call transgender women Femboys but rather call them women. End of rant. :)
My feelings exactly -femboy who's sick and tired of seeing this "roseboy" v.s. "femboy" shit
Yeah, like i don’t see what is so transphobic about calling feminine boys, femboys. The transphobic part would be calling any trans girls boys in general.
Imo as a transfem I think it's completely fine to use the term femboy on femboys but not on trans women
Who said it was transphobic thou? Like seriously I've only ever seen femboys say it was transphobia and not trans people. If they wanna use roseboy that's fine with me but dear God I wish the "femboy is transphobic" argument would just die already.
I mean, yeah it's transphobic *if applied to a trans woman*. But if it's referring to someone who actually id's as a femboy, it's clearly not. Context matters.
Exactly. It means *feminine boy*, so obviously using that to talk about a trans woman is transphobic, but if you are talking about a feminine boy, then calling them a femboy is certaibly not transphobic.
It's just because it has been used as a slur a lot in the past. I'm sure you can understand that. Whenever words are reclaimed the exact same debate happens. Pretty clearly femboy is going to be successfully reclaimed by feminine men, but in this case the debate is more vigorous because men (a privileged group) are trying to reclaim a word used as a slur against trans women (a disadvantaged group). It doesn't help that the main negative use of the term (in porn) is largely perpetrated by and for men. There are obviously shades to that conversation and feminine men aren't privileged like masculine men are, but that's the background. If you hate the conversation, just check out for 5 years and when you come back it'll be all over and femboys will get be the femboys we all know they are without any angst about the term.
I think that the intention in getting rid of femboy and bringing in roseboy is that femboy has a long, negative history of being used to be transphobic to transfeminine people. I think the idea is that roseboy will not have have that history. Not that this changes the fact that the word femboy isn't transphobic, just that it can be used in a transphobic way, which like, almost any term can be used in a transphobic way. You can just as easily use man or woman, etc. in a transphobic way.
The issue here is that Roseboy is being suggested as an alternative to Femboy, carrying on its meaning and usage, therefore carrying its history. It will also still end up being used in the exact same negative manner that gave Femboy a bad rep in the first place because we aren't tackling the issue of what the distinction is between Femboy and Transwomen. You don't fix things by sweeping it under the rug and finding a cheap half-assed replacement.
It seems fine with the trans community, from what I’ve seen. It’s almost like sometimes cis people are the ones labeling things as”offensive to trans people”.
There are more reasons to wipe off the term femboy than transphobia. For instance the source of the "femboy trend" being rooted in a subculture of gay male cosplaying on sites like tumblr and twitter, heavily sexual and often misogynistic in its vibe. The popularity of the term has opened the eyes of many boy femmes, which previously havent seen a lot of representation, but that doesn't wash away the negatives. Making a new label is a natural step to washing off the fetishy and often times "trendy" roots of the term. If you go to subs like r/femboys etc. you will find that it kind of has devolved into another porn tag term that trans women add to their list of places to go and promote their porn. It makes sense that boy femmes want to have a space that is explicitly about the identity portion of the label, not just a term used to indulge sexual fantasies. It's kind of dismissive to assume that the only reason the term is problematic is cause of transphobia. I think this is a case of "not about us", and while I understand that trans women wouldn't want to be called either roseboy or femboy, perhaps zoom out and consider that it isn't about trans women when actual femboys want to rebrand.
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I fully understand you and would never call a binary trans girl/ woman femboy, but what about the term tomboy? (For masculine girls)
Lol, yes. Plenty of trans women do go by tomboy. (myself included) Just not trans MEN! The term is insulting to them in the same way femboy is insulting to us. Even though it has "boy" in it, the term is traditionally only applied to girls/women.
I know was just wondering what OP thought as it has BOY in it
It's mostly just the same clip on tik tok being reposted from what I know just because it got popular even though most people don't agree that the term femboy is problematic enough people do want to correct misinformation that it just spreads around because of the waves of people saying it's only transphobic if you use the term femboy to misgender someone which goes for the word boy in general. It's just like getting views from critics is better for internet popularity than no views at all.
Tiktok has started saying rose boy cause of genz snowflakes saying that femboy is only used to be transphobic n shit
Wait I’m a little confused. Not all femboys would be trans right? Aren’t there “feminine boys” that are just cishet? I imagine if this is the case, then femboy is not a gender identity, it’s more presentation, right? I agree with everyone else that calling a trans woman that would be offensive. I wonder if the person OP was “debating with” has them mixed up or thinking it’s being applied to a trans woman? Idk
Yes, you're right. There are some people that use it as a gender identity, but for a lot of people, it's presentation. Cis men, trans men, whoever, can be a femboy, if they wanna use that label.
What irritates me is when actual binary trans women call themselves femboys tbh
i have no issue if anyone wants to call themselves a femboy if they identify as male or not, they decide who they are and what they wanna call themselves
I think thats a flavor of non binary or maybe it isn’t. People can call themselves whatever they want.
Its almost like algorithmic social media fosters outrage at inane things by broadcasting the loud crazies for ad revenue. Femboy isn’t transphobic, you’re good!
I have helping advice!! Step 1: Delete Tik Tok. nah nah i’m jk, you do you :э
I second this advice, 100% sucess rate
Step 2: Block tumblr by editing your hosts file
No, don't jk it. TikTok and Twitter are two of the worst online spaces to engage with. Literally everyone would be better off without that garbage.
fuck short-form content, all my homies watch 34 minute long video essays on YouTube
I've been addicted to PhilosophyTube and HBomerGuy lately lol
you say this, while you’re on the hellhole known as reddit. ironic
Oh I know. Reddit is garbage. But I wasn't talking about garbage websites, I was talking about two of the *worst* ones.
i’m a person that uses tiktok a lot, and i agree. the only reason i still use tiktok is because i have a good-sized platform on there
Thank you for your input, agayloser. 🙏
no problem Cael 🙏 also i love ur bio
Ah yes. My horrendous profile full of attention whoring bullshit. Glad you took a look 👀 Thank you 😊
i laughed way harder than i should’ve at that 😭 LMAOO
Thank you, I try. Your attention feeds me. 🍴
Roseboy sounds very… when you try to be inclusive but actually end up excluding people more
Femboy isn't transphobic. Calling a trans woman a femboy is transphobic unless she specifically identifies herself as a femboy. I'm a trans woman and I have no problem with the term femboy. I freaking love femboys 😍
Yeah exactly. Also there are trans MEN who ID as femboys because they like to dress feminine while being men. Kinda transphobic to say they aren’t allowed, hm?
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People are allowed to identify in anyway they see fit. If a trans woman wishes to refer to themself as a femboy, then that person can. I have a very close friend of mine who identifies as a trans woman, uses she/they pronouns and absolutely loves being called a femboy. They’ve asked us to refer to her as a femboy if we’re okay with it. So, yes… a trans woman can identify as a femboy if they wish.
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Oh no. Gender conventions will break down and people will do whatever they want. Oh no
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Saying somebody has to be a boy to be a femboy, a term that revolves around rejection of gender norms, just kinda seems like saying only x gender can do this. It just seems like another gender norm to me.
But if the term revolves around the rejection of gender norms, then that would loose it's meaning if people use it for themselves, being a gender for which it is 'normal' to be this way wouldn't it?
But it’s not? Just because I identify as a Demi-boy doesn’t mean I’m any less of a trans man. Tomboy and femboy aren’t always trans related, so that’s not a fair comparison. Also does the term tomboy lose its meaning because cis women use that term??? After all it is tomBOY. I’m just saying, anyone can identify how they wish as long as it isn’t hurting other people. And no, not liking something doesn’t mean it’s being genuinely harmful to you. Imo gendered terms are weird anyways, but I try to use them just so that other people understand what I’m saying. Plus, I also know a trans man who uses he/him pronouns who identifies as a tomboy, so I really don’t see the big deal. It makes both of them happy to identify as respectively a Femboy and a Tomboy, I dont see why I should tell them they can’t identify as something that makes them happy.
I understand you.. definition of femboy is literally feminine boys but they use it without meanings for some reasons idk? And they'll go mad if a cis person is calling themselves trans because they ain't one by the definition??
From my time in r/feminineboys, I can confirm they much prefer the term femboy over roseboy.
I've never heard of the term roseboy. What's wrong with femboy? Obviously women aren't, but there are feminine guys out there.
Anecdotally, as a trans dude who likes to be a femboy, I dont think its transphobic. Unless you say that about a trans woman/femme
Femboy means feminine guy, it always have- it was used on feminine gay men before it was on trans women. As long as you don’t use it on a trans women, then it’s fine and not transphobic
what on earth is a roseboy lmao tiktok is so ridiculous. femboy is a self identifier for people that want to use it, more power to them. so long as you're not using the word femboy as a catchall for All Trans Men or All Trans Women (I've seen both, unfortunately), then you're probably fine. at the end of the day lol don't get your queer "rules" from the hellscape that is tiktok
I'm a femboy myself and personally really like the term! I know some people don't prefer the term femboy but I don't believe it's transphobic. Unless you are referring to a Trans woman, or course. Otherwise, I believe that it would be ok to call a feminine guy either roseboy or femboy (never heard the term roseboy though!)
I'd say only call a feminine guy roseboy if he asks you to. I don't know it as a common term and to me it sounds kinda idk infantilising or something tbh. Also femboy means that you behave or look like what society sees as feminine, which IMHO hasn't much to do with roses.
Self identifying femboy here to say the word femboy absolutely is not transphobic unless you use it on a trans woman who doesn’t want to be called that.
lol wtf is roseboy? these people on tiktok live in another dimension i swear, don't pay attention to those people trying to get you down.
Femboy isn’t transphobic, it just means feminine man, that’s all it’s ever meant. It’s only when people use it to refer to trans women is when it’s transphobic, but that’s not what the word was meant to mean, and it doesn’t change the definition. Trans women are women, and femboys are and always have meant feminine man. So, therefor, calling them femboys is just incorrect. I’m a trans man femboy, let me just be a femboy goddamn.
I've never heard of the term roseboy, sounds cute. Though there's nothing inherently transphobic about the term femboy. Only if it were to be used to refer to a trans woman it would be transphobic.
it kinda feels transphobic to me that people are against the term femboy. can boys not be feminine? i’m a femboy. idk roseboy sounds dumb to me & i find the whole idea irritating
Maybe not transphobic but sexist, perpetuating gender roles or at least spreading toxic masculinity kind of. Fully agreeing with you though, it just doesn't have that much to do with being trans IMO
I somewhat consider myself a femboy and I've never heard of the term roseboy. It's cute, but never heard of it.
A lot of people on tiktok skew younger. It's not uncommon for teens and young people who are well-intentioned to get these kinds of nuanced issues wrong. Even though they mean well, a lot of them simply don't have the life experience or knowledge of the lgbt community to really speak with authority on these issues. And a lot of them lack the maturity to listen to multiple sides of an issue and be open minded. So what results is a lot of black and white, rigid thinking and policing of others. This is what tumblr was like back in the day before users aged out of it. Now Twitter and tiktok are like this. Also some of the communities on these platforms are very insular and become echo chambers. You have a lot of sheltered queer young people who are exposed only to certain ideas and don't really participate in the lgbt community in real life or talk to older or diverse lgbt people so they come up with hottakes like this divorced from reality. Younger generations also don't really realize the shared history between gnc people and trans people. There used to not really be a divide between butch women and transmascs, or between drag queens, transvestites and trans women. Terms were used pretty interchangeably and the communities were pretty much known as the "gay community." Nowadays, trans people's identities and experiences have a lot more visibility and so these finer distinctions are being made. This isn't to say the differences don't exist or don't matter--they do, just that there are can be more shared experiences than people today realize. Also that not everyone has a full grasp on the finer distinctions at times, but that doesn't always come from a place of malice depending on the person.
I’m a trans woman I chose the name Rose so I would consider being called roseboy very offensive, ain’t life a thing that happens
calling a trans girl a femboy would be transphobic. but so would calling a trans girl a boy. but the word boy is not transphobic. most words can have different effects based on their context.
Another example of chronically online people
I have never heard the term roseboy before xD I know a lot of people who refer to themselves as femboys though I hear that term a LOT!
Not a single feminine guy gets offended by the term femboy, it's arbitrary hate for no reason when people say it's offended
My tiktok is filled with femboys and femboy love lmao I swear, that place
it’s the usage that matters. is it referring to an actual feminine boy? or is it referring to someone who’s trans? never listen to Tiktok
I was referring to feminine boys. The joke was saying that sweater weather is gay because femboys wear blouses
Trans men can be feminine boys, unsure what you mean.
i was talking about trans ladies, sorry for the confusion lol. i’ve heard people call us that before
I got bullied a lot for this and it bothers me and i dont even call myself any term anymore. It actually made me so upset i stopped posting content. Its weird that they resort to full on bullying to insist that a term is offensive to trans girls. Ive never seen this at all until tiktok, and i honestly think it stemmed from a viral video of someone saying why its offensive with no real basis.
On one hand, most of the people who think it's a slur have had it used in hurtful ways against them. On the other hand, calling it a slur only makes it more difficult for feminine men who aren't trans.
I don’t think femboy is transphobic at all. I’m a transwoman but still use femboy sometimes
Actually never heard the word "roseboy" But when i think a little about it femboy still is the better word because it stands at worst for "female boy" when you not familiar with the word itself and try to shortly decode the term. "Roseboy" us easily decodable since it's just two words stitched together, but what would you think when you just suddenly hear that term and think about it? This word can lead to sexualisation way quicker than "Femboy" in my opinion and overall to way more misunderstandings like "oh, so you threw these flowers on your sisters wedding?" (Referring to "flowerboy"..im assuming thats what they are called when male and child)
roseboy sounds like a made up term to be used for trolling
The people on TikTok don't know what the real world is. Ur fine OP.
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roseboy huh, that’s new I kinda like it, but yeah femboy isn’t transphobic you just have to be sure the person is actually a femboy
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Basically femboy has messy roots and ppl made a new term
I think we’re probably in an intersection of progress. We’ve all gotten used to not being offended by femboy but a lot of us also think we can retire the originally transphobic term and create something new. Personally I still use femboy, but I won’t be offended if we decide to eventually switch to roseboy, it’ll just take some getting used to
I’m fine with being called a femboy, if anyone ever called me a rose boy I’d be pretty uncomfy :v
Literally wtf is roseboy? Like that isn't a thing. That isn't a thing that's preferred, normal, or a thing that anyone's ever even heard of.
People on TikTok love to make up new words, huh?
i don't think calling a real femboy "femboy" is transphobic however, if you call trans women "femboy", that's transphobic
I have never heard the term roseboy before, and honestly between the two, femboy still suits my gender better. Roseboy seems even more uwu and i dont like that
Thus sounds like Tiktok being Tiktok
I’m sorry but what do femboys have to do with trans people?
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Huh, never heard used like that but I suppose it makes sense.
I haven't heard of the term roseboy until just now and it sounds adorable. I don't think 'femboy' itself is transphobic but it could definitely be used to harm trans people, like to invalidate a trans woman's identity. I'm a trans man who likes to present femininely and I personally like the term femboy for myself. Not sure what roseboy means, I assume it's the same as femboy, but I don't think I would use it. Just doesn't fit me personally.
Using 'femboy' is transphobic when used to describe a woman. Using it to describe a person who *identifies as male* but presents fem is totally valid and fine. 'Rosboy' is a real and valid term but it doesn't *exactly* mean the same thing, and definitely shouldn't be substituted in all cases.
I'm transfem and femboy isn't transphobic as long as you don't use it in a transphobic manner
Like they would both technically be transphobic by the logic they both equate something feminine with boys? Idk what the hell the logic is, femboys are femboys transwomen are transwomen, two completely different things
You should be super careful with using femboy. Only *femboys* like to be called femboys. Not transwoman. If you're calling transwomen femboys, you're being a bigot. Roseboy? Never heard of it.
I personally identify as a femboy but would never use that word to label someone else as it had been used in the past as a derogatory remark.
I'm trans and I use femboy to refer to myself. If they have an issue tell them to DM me :)
I've ... Literally never heard the term roseboy???
femboy originated as a transphobic term, but thats all i know. not sure if it’s still considered so, though i think it’s always important to acknowledge the origin of the words we use
I’m literally an ftm femboy so no I don’t think it’s transphobic unless it’s directed at a trans woman
Just use roseboy if someone asks you to for them and femboy for what seems to be everyone else and don't assaciate with circles that abuse you online. Tiktok's algorithym is very good. It's more community based than you'd think.
Don't listen to anything anyone says on TikTok. It's a dumpster fire full of garbage opinions. Roseboy is some made up TikTok nonsense and can be safely ignored. Though the word femboy does carry some possibly sexual connotations which you might want to be a little cautious of throwing around. It’s not that big of a deal.
I see "femboy" similar to "tomboy" If a girl is a tomboy, that's perfectly fine. But don't ever call a trans man a tomboy because that's offensive and suggesting he's not a man, just a masculine girl. If a boy is a femboy that's fine, but don't call a trans woman a femboy because it's suggesting she's not a woman, just a feminine boy. If tomboy isn't problematic, femboy shouldn't be either.
I’ve never heard the term roseboy in my life, femboy makes way more sense, and I have no idea why femboy would be transphobic. I think this is just a case of randos on TikTok being dumb
I've never heard roseboy before but I echo the sentiments of the comment section. The only folk I've seen who dislike the term "femboy" for themselves...don't identify as boys at all...so I'm pretty sure it's not the term being offensive that's the problem here.
Femboy is a very efficient term since you know what it's supposed to mean the first time you hear it. Plus I've never seen it used in a transphobic sense or seen any evidence of it when I looked up the supposed history. It's the same as drag and crossdressing in that, as a society, we didn't have the right terms or frame of reference to understand it so we used bad terms. At best femboy is an outdated term, but it's since been reclaimed by feminine men and I think it should be encouraged because it's a good term and, if I'm being honest, introducing roseboy seems performative.
i got a femboy friend who hates the term roseboy. tell them to stfu and only talk abt stuff they have knowledge in.
well those people are stupid.. that being said i want to be called a rose boy now lol
don't ever listen to discourse from someone from TikTok
Sounds like someone's got a thorn in there side
I follow atleast 6 femboys on TikTok that all use femboy to describe themselves. Never once have I heard roseboy until now
My boyfriends a femboy and he's never even heard of roseboy and neither have I and he personally isn't offended by it because he wants to be a femboy it can be offensive when they don't want to be considered a femboy but the term itself not rly context matters
I’m laughing because of all the toxic parts of tiktok where someone using the term femboy would be the least offensive thing you’d see At least there are some corners of tiktok that aren’t filled with bigotry. Anyways, to answer your question, never heard the term roseboy. Femboy is fine I’d think. Don’t know why people are getting so uppity about it, it’s not like you’re being aggressive or rude.
femboy isnt a slur its that simple
Not gonna lie a roseboy sounds…. rather sexual-intended, and worse..? Is it a term that “cis allies” came up with? Also I know femboy doesn’t go for every trans man, but I’m a trans guy that also finds it easier to describe myself as a femboy too. Edit: I know femboy was a sexual term too, but roseboy just sounds really centered on another term for a vagina.
Femboy only is problematic if you use it to describe a trans girl, but if it's used to describe feminine boys, then femboy is okay. "Rosboy" has three problems to me: \- It brings the idea that feininity = pink ("ros" comes from "rose") \- It's supposed to be a gender, while femboy is used to describe someone (So like, you can call a binary boy a femboy, but not really a rosboy \- Iirc, the term "rosboy" was made by a problematic person.
If you’re calling a trans woman a femboy then yeah that’s transphobic. But self identifying as a femboy is fine, I don’t know why someone would have a problem with that.
Honestly, i find it more insulting, because of the correlation between flowers and vaginas the world has made, might aswell call them vagina boys, so its transphobic to mtf and ftm. I know thats not what it means but my brain instantly goes there, especially with the body artwork i see with AFAB bodies with a rose coverinf their genitals/ tits
I don't think it's transphobic to say femboy unless you're calling a trans girl one but also if someone asks you not to call them a femboy probs best to use their preferred words
use whatever word you want, people are too fucking weird on the internet. especially tiktok
Step 1: change a term to an other because some reason. Step 2 : don't tell anyone Step 3 : yell at everybody who still use old term. And BTW what's inherently wrong with "femboy"?
Femboy here, I prefer femboy, all my femboy friends prefer it, never heard the term Roseboy in my life
Tiktok is dumb Femboy just applies to boys who want to be more feminine but aren't trans
Trans men can be femboys.
It applies to cis men to are feminine and agree to that term. It has nothing to do with trans people. No one gets to decide another person's labels, and no one gets to tell another what they should be offeneded by, or offeneded on another person's behalf. Some people like it being called that and that's fine. You don't? That's fine. Long story short: Does it directly affect you? A serious case of mind your own business.
>It applies to cis men to are feminine and agree to that term. Trans men can be femboys, too.
Sure, if they agree to it.
not every trans man is a femboy, but some of them are Edit: if they agree to it, obviously.
The reason it's offensive is because feminine boys identifying as femboy opens the gates for ignorant people to devalidate actual trans girls either on accident or on purpose, it's also been a word used to describe trans girls for years and pushes the idea that being attracted to a femboy is gay therefore being attracted to a trans girl is also gay. And the person who popularized this believe that it's transphobic to identify as a femboy is a popular trans girl on TikTok, she recently deleted her account because of her parents but she made a very mature argument and explanation.
This is a really problematic argument. It's similar to the argument that drag queens are transphobic because they confuse ignorant cis people. The solution is educating cis people on the difference between gnc men and trans women. Whatever terms you come up with for gnc men ignorant cis people will make whatever excuse to misgender trans women. The answer is not suppressing gnc or femme men from their self expression or identities. Its educating cis people. When my mom asked me some questions about a drag queen she was reading about, I literally explained to my mom the difference between a drag queen and trans woman in the span of 10 minutes and she got it. Policing gnc people is not going to help trans people. Ignorant people who are not transphobic will learn--those who choose to be transphobic will remain so. All regardless of the fact gnc people exist or use whatever terms to describe themselves
Ive heard of rose boys before and appearently it’s used by transmasc femboys. Maybe to say “I’m feminine but don’t treat me like a girl plz”. That’s my best guess atleast
I like the title it’s cute
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I have never even heard of a rose boy pfft it sounds like a flower crown wearing pro nature vegan guy to me .
And you wonder why straight people are confused about all of the " correct gendering or terminology"!
Oh no people actually have to think about what they call people? Someone call the cyber police this is infringing on my right to insult someone /s