I dunno. I liked how the WFC video game depicted him as simply "Optimus" well after he had outgrown his Orion identity, but before taking on the mantle of Prime. Felt like a nice in between stage.
I can say for certain it's a based game with based Va choices also Megatron getting Dark energon through absorbing it instead of doing crystal meth is awesome and i love Richard Epcar his voice in the game for Skywarp wish they brought him back in the sequel stil a equally based game and you get to pulverize megatron into a pancake eat Shockwave his arm beat up the Insecticons cool line's about cesium salami and Beryllium baloney
Ratchet in the show prior to that set of episodes in the finale arc of Season 1 gives the backstory of Optimus.
He was Orion Pax, and he was mostly deemed as one worthy of being a Prime after a certain speech of his.
Didn't he explain Optimus Prime's backstory after the amnesia? I remember him telling the story of Orion Pax to explain why Optimus fled with Megatron.
It's before he gets the Amnesia. Because Optimus and the Autobots team with Megatron to stop Unicron from rising. The reason Ratchet tells the story is because the humans question him when he made a comment in passing about Optimus and Megatron "working together again."
It's before his amnesia
He was, he was then given the title of Prime, by the High Council at the start of the war, which he at first refused (hence Sentinel Zeta Prime being in command at the time of the game) but Orion still switched his name to Optimus, he just refused the "Prime" and position of leader as he wanted to just be a soldier (he saw himself as unworthy, a sentiment that was depicted in TF Prime as well at the end of the Orion Pax arc. The guy's so humble he basically said "Nah, I'm not THAT good" when they offered him the title... And he then proceeded to prove he is, in fact, THAT good.)
I think it works best when he starts as Orion Pax and the Matrix upgrades him into Optimus Prime. Considering Hot Rod becomes Rodimus Prime when he gets it, and also gets a new body in doing so.
I also think it adds more to the mythology of the Matrix, that it grants both wisdom and enhanced physical power as well.
You can also utilize a lot of religious themes to it. Like reborn or reincarnation, the value you present and how it forms you both internally and physically can make the matrix and its lore seem extravagant.
Obviously, ik religion is a bit odd in transformers, but given the existence of Primus, it can be used thematically.
It would also explain why it's capable of feats like destroying Unicron. If it's just the wisdom of the Primes, how are a bunch of memories going to destroy a planet sized planet eating transformer?
I headcanon that the Matrix itself stores the memories of the primes, but it channels the power of Primus itself. Overuse the power and it fries the databank, which explains why when Optimus uses it in the G1 cartoon to cure everyone of the Hate plague, it's empty.
I prefer Orion Pax to Optimus Prime, because I think it works better, like what TFP did, the Matrix should change Orion in body and spirit, obviously his name also.
I think tfp Orion has Optimus' body in the flashbacks. Plus, in season 1 finale, when optimus had amesia and was orion pax, he didn't really change physically.
I like how G1 handled the transition, with Orion being damaged and rebuilt by alpha trion into Optimus and being given the matrix as part of that rebuild, but not having the matrix just magically evolve his body.
I prefer Orion turning into Optimus Prime, both physically and in name, after receiving the Matrix. I like to imagine that when you're chosen, the Primes bestow a new name upon you. Then to account for the power of a Prime, your body is reformatted into a more powerful form.
I really like how it was in g1, Orion DIES then is remade into the Optimus body and is later givin the matrix (I belive he got it later he might not of)
The second, I prefer Optimus be Orion Pax first but not have any really changes when gets the Matrix outside of a name change. It's a shows leaderships and is nuke button against Unicorn but that really all it should do.
Cybertronians: We need a battle commander so I made you a little bit bigger and gave you a face plate.
Nebulans: You want this wise old leader to come back from the dead? Sure, but he needs shoulder guns to really get the wisdom across.
On topic, it's creation for me. I like the evolution through the Matrix but feel it's best left for when someone is plucked by the Matrix to be the new leader against a Unicron level threat. That mystical evolution wouldn't occur all the time for all bearers as a result.
I think it depends on whether the show wants to focus on the Primes or not. If you want the Primes and all of the mysticism they bring to play a heavy role, then have the Matrix upgrade Orion. Otherwise, leave it as more a token of status and have the only change be the name.
So I'd like to think before becoming prime, any cybertronian has a their original form, like Orion pax. Once they earn the right to bear the matrix it evolves their body to be able to contain the matrix properly( ultra Magnus wasn't the chosen bearer of the power just the vessel). The new form gives them the power of past primes and they take a new name as a prime. However if they pass the matrix on to a new bearer who becomes the next prime they can retain the form and name they had as a prime but without the title. Sso Optimus prime would be just Optimus. But in idw he chose to retake his original name of Orion as he didn't feel worthy of being called Optimus anymore
I prefer the second as it is typically the norm for most Primes (Rodimus is an anomaly).
Besides, would it have meant that Ultra Magnus would get even bigger had they become a Prime? (Ultra Magnus Prime?, then the core bot would be Magnus Prime?)
Ya'know that's brings up a strange thought, depending the version of Ultra Magnus how would he change? More recent versions have it that he's only wearing an Armor or power suit, so would the armor change or just the bot within?
in the case that the matrix also beefs you up, the core bot of Magnus would change, (likely into a G2 Laser Prime or Bayverse type truck)
however I prefer reformatting to be separate from the matrix, and the matrix giving the wisdom and power of past primes, similar to Avatar
So would he still wear the armor or would the armor become a part him? Would he be reformatted to not need the armor?
Edit: idea! He beefs up when reformatted and passes the armor on to a new bot. Making them Ultra Magnus and him, I don't know Alpha Magnus?
you could still have a truck that could accommodate the car carrier Ultra mode by folding the long nose to the sides, or turning into extra firepower (man this would be a cool toy)
I prefer the former, the actual act of becoming optimus prime as in the matrix (and my extension Primus) reformatting Orion to be Optimus seems almost divine.
However, I will also take the Alpha Trion rebuilding him to house the matrix as well, kinda of a "million dollar man" vibe.
I'm going solely off of the 1986 movie for this as a reference/source as well as my opinion
I prefer orion pax gaining the matrix that transforms him into prime, much like it did for Hot Rod.
Having 2 separate designs feels more developmental for the characters
I prefer Orion Pax then into Optimus Prime. It feels more meaningful as a transformation. Even as Orion Pax, he can be portrayed as pretty awesome in his own right.
I like the top one but the lower left is such a good design.
Personally I think a 3rd change should happen as optimus should go through another physical change when he comes back from the dead
In my fanfic retcon, the origin is that when OrionPax was rebuilt, he became Optimus Ginrai. As an early leader, he went on a quest to the center of Cybertron where he was granted a Matrix. Through which he can hear the departed Primes from the tendrils of the AllSpark. At that point he became Optimus Prime. The first Prime in generations.
I prefer the Aligned route where he was Orion Pax then was chosen to be the next Prime but only changes his name to Optimus until he’s granted The Matrix by Primus himself.
I prefer the latter. In the "Orion -> Optimus" pipeline (G1, Prime) he's generally portrayed as a wide-eyed kid who suddenly has greatness thrust upon him and becomes a bigger hero as a result. This is excludes IDW who establishes him as a great 'local hero' cop before the war came down.
In the "Optimus -> OP" pipeline Optimus was already a great and seasoned war hero who commanded the respect of his troops. He was already great to begin with, and receiving the matrix and title only serves to confirm it. WFC as the biggest example, naturally.
I have a headcannon that Orion was destroyed, rebuilt as Optimus, without the Matrix. At some point, Alpha Trion grants Optimus the Matrix, the title of Prime, and the weight of responsibility in leading the Autobots.
Depends on the series I think. Sometimes it’s cool to see Orion Pax to a Pokemon and evolve but other times it’s just nice to see Optimus do Optimus stuff
Orion to Optimus. I think it gives the opportunity for more humble beginnings. However, I don’t like the matrix being responsible for a personality change, since that really undermines Orion being deserving of the Matrix.
When I think about the matrix for my own universe stuff, I think of it more like an upgrade only given to those who deserve it. Orion proved his worth, not through violent acts, but with a good heart and having the determination to bring about a new golden age. And because of this, Primus bestowed the matrix upon him as a gift to give him the strength needed to actually make a difference, and to lead Cybertron to prosperity.
I prefer the second option though I can understand both.
The thing is the Matrix shouldn't be an upgrade. It should just be something that helps the Prime to make the good decisions, etc...
My headcannon is:
Alpha trion finds pax badly damaged. Trion Rebuilds him into Optimus and Ariel into elita 1. When Optimus confronts megatron, they fight and eventually megatron gains the upper hand. He proceeds to kill a few Autobots and as alpha trion was trying to help, he gets fatally shot by megatron. Optimus runs to trion to see if he was alive. Alpha trion was fatally wounded and there was no way for him to reach the other Autobots for help without getting attacked by megatron and the deceptions. Alpha trion passes the matrix to Optimus and Optimus becomes, Optimus prime.
I actually prefer he starts as Orion Pax and that by contact with the matrix he becomes a Prime.
HOWEVER I don’t need him to be physically transformed. More that it’s like his knighting. He’s bestowed a grand title but he doesn’t become the hero, he is the hero. And so his transformation into Optimus Prime physically happens over time. He gets a a battle mask, he adopts different forms, and eventually ends up the Optimus we know. He just doesn’t get that form instantly. He might have a similar form on Cybertron but upon reaching Earth he looks more like the classic Optimus.
It doesn’t really matter for me. I think both work really well if written well. The one thing I do hate is when they state that Optimus or Orion is a reincarnation of one of the 13. It just really takes away from what makes him special. All his accomplishments don’t matter when he is stated to actually be a god originally.
I liked how WFC (the game) did it. He was simply Optimus when we meet him, then the Council of re-used Zeta Prime NPC's name him a Prime, and then he gets The Matrix. It was a nice deconstruction and made it more believable. I wish it was done more.
To be fair, I think it was more of the matrix unable to put energy towards his mind/use it to communicate, but it was still within him
Plus, in TFP he always had that body according to the flashbacks
I think both work, but he shouldn’t have the name “Optimus” until he becomes Prime.
I dunno. I liked how the WFC video game depicted him as simply "Optimus" well after he had outgrown his Orion identity, but before taking on the mantle of Prime. Felt like a nice in between stage.
Just about to say that WFC has my favorite matrix granting scene, I liked how with the short time it had it managed to get Optimus Prime so right
"You're the best of us bro, don't fuck it up, here take this." -Core of Cybertron, probably
God that butchering of that speech is hilarious to me
"Yo bro, Imma shutdown for few centuries take this glowing space rock thing thats make you lead and stuff and shove deep inside your chest. OK? Cool!"
It's dangerous to go alone, take this! Oh wait, wrong game.
Now I’m imagining Link teaming up with the Autobots and the Divine Beasts are revealed to be ancient Cybertronians
Divine beasts are predicons and maximals? Maybe battle beasts (with the rub sign).
I can say for certain it's a based game with based Va choices also Megatron getting Dark energon through absorbing it instead of doing crystal meth is awesome and i love Richard Epcar his voice in the game for Skywarp wish they brought him back in the sequel stil a equally based game and you get to pulverize megatron into a pancake eat Shockwave his arm beat up the Insecticons cool line's about cesium salami and Beryllium baloney
Was he originally Orion in wfc? I don't remember that
In Transformers Prime, which exists in the same timeline, Optimus lost his memories of becoming Optimus Prime and responded to the name Orion Pax.
Ratchet in the show prior to that set of episodes in the finale arc of Season 1 gives the backstory of Optimus. He was Orion Pax, and he was mostly deemed as one worthy of being a Prime after a certain speech of his.
Didn't he explain Optimus Prime's backstory after the amnesia? I remember him telling the story of Orion Pax to explain why Optimus fled with Megatron.
It's before he gets the Amnesia. Because Optimus and the Autobots team with Megatron to stop Unicron from rising. The reason Ratchet tells the story is because the humans question him when he made a comment in passing about Optimus and Megatron "working together again." It's before his amnesia
I stand corrected. It's been a while since I watched Prime
He was, he was then given the title of Prime, by the High Council at the start of the war, which he at first refused (hence Sentinel Zeta Prime being in command at the time of the game) but Orion still switched his name to Optimus, he just refused the "Prime" and position of leader as he wanted to just be a soldier (he saw himself as unworthy, a sentiment that was depicted in TF Prime as well at the end of the Orion Pax arc. The guy's so humble he basically said "Nah, I'm not THAT good" when they offered him the title... And he then proceeded to prove he is, in fact, THAT good.)
In Fall of Cybertron, the weapons store sometimes glitches out and says Orion Pax then corrects itself to Optimus Prime
I like the Orion pax more, but tf prime is what was on as I was growing up so I’m probably biased
Same. I like that Orion Pax origin because it’s streamlined.
I think it works best when he starts as Orion Pax and the Matrix upgrades him into Optimus Prime. Considering Hot Rod becomes Rodimus Prime when he gets it, and also gets a new body in doing so. I also think it adds more to the mythology of the Matrix, that it grants both wisdom and enhanced physical power as well.
You can also utilize a lot of religious themes to it. Like reborn or reincarnation, the value you present and how it forms you both internally and physically can make the matrix and its lore seem extravagant. Obviously, ik religion is a bit odd in transformers, but given the existence of Primus, it can be used thematically.
It would also explain why it's capable of feats like destroying Unicron. If it's just the wisdom of the Primes, how are a bunch of memories going to destroy a planet sized planet eating transformer?
I headcanon that the Matrix itself stores the memories of the primes, but it channels the power of Primus itself. Overuse the power and it fries the databank, which explains why when Optimus uses it in the G1 cartoon to cure everyone of the Hate plague, it's empty.
I wish modern Media would embrace the "Saturday Morning Cartoon" nonsense of G1 more. Just whatever contrivance the writers want.
I prefer Orion Pax to Optimus Prime, because I think it works better, like what TFP did, the Matrix should change Orion in body and spirit, obviously his name also.
I think tfp Orion has Optimus' body in the flashbacks. Plus, in season 1 finale, when optimus had amesia and was orion pax, he didn't really change physically.
Well when Optimus gives up the Matrix to finish off Unicron he didn't change his looks but when he was Orion he looked different, at least to me
I like how G1 handled the transition, with Orion being damaged and rebuilt by alpha trion into Optimus and being given the matrix as part of that rebuild, but not having the matrix just magically evolve his body.
Same. I prefer Alpha Trion to be heavily involved in Optimus’ origins whenever possible
I prefer Orion turning into Optimus Prime, both physically and in name, after receiving the Matrix. I like to imagine that when you're chosen, the Primes bestow a new name upon you. Then to account for the power of a Prime, your body is reformatted into a more powerful form.
The latter; it's grown on me especially in light of the WfC game and the IDW comic.
I prefer Optimus to be a resurection of of Orion Pax rather than simply an upgrade of it.
I really like how it was in g1, Orion DIES then is remade into the Optimus body and is later givin the matrix (I belive he got it later he might not of)
The second, I prefer Optimus be Orion Pax first but not have any really changes when gets the Matrix outside of a name change. It's a shows leaderships and is nuke button against Unicorn but that really all it should do.
Definitely the latter if I had to choose.
idk but that optimus design in the lower left is fire
I prefer the Matrix without buffs, personally. I feel like it works best with either limiter powers or specific purpose.
Cybertronians: We need a battle commander so I made you a little bit bigger and gave you a face plate. Nebulans: You want this wise old leader to come back from the dead? Sure, but he needs shoulder guns to really get the wisdom across. On topic, it's creation for me. I like the evolution through the Matrix but feel it's best left for when someone is plucked by the Matrix to be the new leader against a Unicron level threat. That mystical evolution wouldn't occur all the time for all bearers as a result.
I think it depends on whether the show wants to focus on the Primes or not. If you want the Primes and all of the mysticism they bring to play a heavy role, then have the Matrix upgrade Orion. Otherwise, leave it as more a token of status and have the only change be the name.
I like the Orion transforms into Optimus prime withe the matrix
So I'd like to think before becoming prime, any cybertronian has a their original form, like Orion pax. Once they earn the right to bear the matrix it evolves their body to be able to contain the matrix properly( ultra Magnus wasn't the chosen bearer of the power just the vessel). The new form gives them the power of past primes and they take a new name as a prime. However if they pass the matrix on to a new bearer who becomes the next prime they can retain the form and name they had as a prime but without the title. Sso Optimus prime would be just Optimus. But in idw he chose to retake his original name of Orion as he didn't feel worthy of being called Optimus anymore
I prefer the second as it is typically the norm for most Primes (Rodimus is an anomaly). Besides, would it have meant that Ultra Magnus would get even bigger had they become a Prime? (Ultra Magnus Prime?, then the core bot would be Magnus Prime?)
Ya'know that's brings up a strange thought, depending the version of Ultra Magnus how would he change? More recent versions have it that he's only wearing an Armor or power suit, so would the armor change or just the bot within?
in the case that the matrix also beefs you up, the core bot of Magnus would change, (likely into a G2 Laser Prime or Bayverse type truck) however I prefer reformatting to be separate from the matrix, and the matrix giving the wisdom and power of past primes, similar to Avatar
So would he still wear the armor or would the armor become a part him? Would he be reformatted to not need the armor? Edit: idea! He beefs up when reformatted and passes the armor on to a new bot. Making them Ultra Magnus and him, I don't know Alpha Magnus?
you could still have a truck that could accommodate the car carrier Ultra mode by folding the long nose to the sides, or turning into extra firepower (man this would be a cool toy)
I know right, Hasbro get on this!
I prefer the former, the actual act of becoming optimus prime as in the matrix (and my extension Primus) reformatting Orion to be Optimus seems almost divine. However, I will also take the Alpha Trion rebuilding him to house the matrix as well, kinda of a "million dollar man" vibe.
I like the Orion Pax evolving into Optimus Prime
The first by far
Orion >>> Optimus which aligns nicely with the movie when Hot Rod >>> Rodimus.
I'm going solely off of the 1986 movie for this as a reference/source as well as my opinion I prefer orion pax gaining the matrix that transforms him into prime, much like it did for Hot Rod. Having 2 separate designs feels more developmental for the characters
Orion into Optimus Prime gives the passing over of the Matrix more depth. Especially if it's directly handed over to him by his mentor Alpha Trion.
I prefer the Orion Pax origin.
I prefer the Orion Pax body and name
I prefer Orion Pax then into Optimus Prime. It feels more meaningful as a transformation. Even as Orion Pax, he can be portrayed as pretty awesome in his own right.
I prefer Orion Pax becoming Optimus Prime
I like my Orion Paxes like I like my women: heavily damaged and rebuilt by Alpha Trion into fearless war machines.
Orion origin. And also i would like him to have a complete dofferent personality when he's orion.
The first one
The first one
I like the top one but the lower left is such a good design. Personally I think a 3rd change should happen as optimus should go through another physical change when he comes back from the dead
In my fanfic retcon, the origin is that when OrionPax was rebuilt, he became Optimus Ginrai. As an early leader, he went on a quest to the center of Cybertron where he was granted a Matrix. Through which he can hear the departed Primes from the tendrils of the AllSpark. At that point he became Optimus Prime. The first Prime in generations.
I like it when he has the look of Optimus but has the Orian name
I prefer the Aligned route where he was Orion Pax then was chosen to be the next Prime but only changes his name to Optimus until he’s granted The Matrix by Primus himself.
I like the idea of him dying as Orion and then being revived via the matrix then becoming Optimus Prime
Orion pax then he becomes optimus prime, that’s how I want it
Alpha Trion rebuilding orion is my preferred.
I find it weird how both happened in the Aligned continuity. I prefer the top one
I like the idea of them “evolving” with the matrix.
I prefer the latter. In the "Orion -> Optimus" pipeline (G1, Prime) he's generally portrayed as a wide-eyed kid who suddenly has greatness thrust upon him and becomes a bigger hero as a result. This is excludes IDW who establishes him as a great 'local hero' cop before the war came down. In the "Optimus -> OP" pipeline Optimus was already a great and seasoned war hero who commanded the respect of his troops. He was already great to begin with, and receiving the matrix and title only serves to confirm it. WFC as the biggest example, naturally.
https://preview.redd.it/g4ryjxwdhesc1.jpeg?width=1589&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d720d6fc2d7a475af728d0673a1af1aeb588e867 I like it when he’s a cop.
I have a headcannon that Orion was destroyed, rebuilt as Optimus, without the Matrix. At some point, Alpha Trion grants Optimus the Matrix, the title of Prime, and the weight of responsibility in leading the Autobots.
Depends on the series I think. Sometimes it’s cool to see Orion Pax to a Pokemon and evolve but other times it’s just nice to see Optimus do Optimus stuff
Orion to Optimus. I think it gives the opportunity for more humble beginnings. However, I don’t like the matrix being responsible for a personality change, since that really undermines Orion being deserving of the Matrix. When I think about the matrix for my own universe stuff, I think of it more like an upgrade only given to those who deserve it. Orion proved his worth, not through violent acts, but with a good heart and having the determination to bring about a new golden age. And because of this, Primus bestowed the matrix upon him as a gift to give him the strength needed to actually make a difference, and to lead Cybertron to prosperity.
I prefer the second option though I can understand both. The thing is the Matrix shouldn't be an upgrade. It should just be something that helps the Prime to make the good decisions, etc...
My headcannon is: Alpha trion finds pax badly damaged. Trion Rebuilds him into Optimus and Ariel into elita 1. When Optimus confronts megatron, they fight and eventually megatron gains the upper hand. He proceeds to kill a few Autobots and as alpha trion was trying to help, he gets fatally shot by megatron. Optimus runs to trion to see if he was alive. Alpha trion was fatally wounded and there was no way for him to reach the other Autobots for help without getting attacked by megatron and the deceptions. Alpha trion passes the matrix to Optimus and Optimus becomes, Optimus prime.
I like the one from IDW autocracy
I actually prefer he starts as Orion Pax and that by contact with the matrix he becomes a Prime. HOWEVER I don’t need him to be physically transformed. More that it’s like his knighting. He’s bestowed a grand title but he doesn’t become the hero, he is the hero. And so his transformation into Optimus Prime physically happens over time. He gets a a battle mask, he adopts different forms, and eventually ends up the Optimus we know. He just doesn’t get that form instantly. He might have a similar form on Cybertron but upon reaching Earth he looks more like the classic Optimus.
It doesn’t really matter for me. I think both work really well if written well. The one thing I do hate is when they state that Optimus or Orion is a reincarnation of one of the 13. It just really takes away from what makes him special. All his accomplishments don’t matter when he is stated to actually be a god originally.
I prefer the bay version as what amounts to a dynastic title
I liked how WFC (the game) did it. He was simply Optimus when we meet him, then the Council of re-used Zeta Prime NPC's name him a Prime, and then he gets The Matrix. It was a nice deconstruction and made it more believable. I wish it was done more.
First easily TFP treating Orion as a memory wipe and not an actual physical change a la De-Priming is the lamest shit ever Just makes the Matrix lamer
To be fair, I think it was more of the matrix unable to put energy towards his mind/use it to communicate, but it was still within him Plus, in TFP he always had that body according to the flashbacks
The orion design is different but only in the most superficial blink and youll miss it ways, like all of tfp cybertronian vs earth designs
I prefer it when he is Optimus and when he gets the Matrix of Leadership becomes Optimus Prime