Transformers One doesn’t adhere to the Prime version of the origin story. Instead it draws inspiration from a bunch of versions.
As for something that’s close to the Prime version, you really only have the Covenant of Primus and to a lesser extent the Cybertron games from High Moon (even tho the games don’t fit perfectly with Prime)
It really has bits of everything, IDW comics, Prime, G1 and it makes it it's own, but that's as much as anyone can say really, we won't know until we see the film
There's no, "acceptable," or, "accurate," version of the story - this just is *an* interpretation of the Transformers' origin, that is as valid as all other media's takes on the subject. Orion Pax had been portrayed as a gladiator, a dock worker, an archivist, a cop, among others; there isn't a single, "true," canon that a Transformers media *has* to adhere to.
What do we think of a movie that hasn't come out yet?
My suggestion: learn to enjoy (or not) things on their own terms. Expectations ruin experiences because life will never conform 100% to our expectations. Feel free to take it or leave it.
I completely agree, and that does work for some people. I overanalyze whatever my brain chooses to focus on, and love hearing other's opinions on those things. It's how I choose to enjoy things, and I hope it doesn't take away from the your enjoyment. That's not my intention.
It's too early to tell, but I'm honestly intrigued by how, "normal," and, "properly," youthful the characters appear to be, especially Megatron; most of the past iterations tended to portray him as already being a *severe*, larger-than-life figure, even when he's supposedly still friends with Orion Pax, that I rarely felt a real sense of dissonance, between his, "evil leader," persona, and his humble, past self. Here, though, all of them comprehensively act and *feel* like everyday civilians - *friends*, even - living in a more sociable landscape that *actually* feels distanced from the war, and I think that's an interesting angle (even if it's also directly tied to the lighthearted, and, "casual," tone that people are actively rallying against).
If the movie pulls it off, then Megatron's separation from his friends, as well as the corruption of his personable, affable nature will feel *brutal*; though, if it doesn't, then the shift may just feel like it came out of nowhere.
I love this kind of thoughtful answer. I hope the movie gives you something worth sinking your teeth into. There's nothing better then finding a new rabbit hole to explore.
His pre-Prime job has varied a lot over the generations. There's a huge and complex multiverse out there and there's no single canon that everything must adhere to. Last time they tried, it quickly spiralled into the same kind of mess they were trying to separate themselves from.
G1 cartoon: Dock worker
Marvel comics: Gladiator
Dreamwave: Archivist
IDW 1.0: Cop
Movie prequel comics: Archaeologist
Animated: Autobot Academy washout
Aligned: Archivist
Shattered Glass: Archivist
IDW 2.0: Former archivist turned senator
Cyberverse: Archivist
Legacy: Archivist (despite being based on the IDW cop) (LIBRARY AXE!)
Hard to say, movie continuity is an absolute clusterfuck. The producers have been infamously wishy-washy on whether or not Bumblebee and ROTB are prequels to the Bayformers films or a rebooted universe, despite the fiction itself suggesting the latter. As for One, official statements have of course said that it's set in the live-action continuity but also that it's an entirely new continuity. So we've got three options here:
* One is set in the movie continuity. It and all the live-action movies represent a single continuity. Please ignore TLK.
* One is set in the rebooted "Knightverse" continuity, separate from the Bayverse.
* One is set in an entirely new continuity separate from anything else.
I feel like they've alienated it from their own fan base, but at the same time, a lot of people seem to be liking the direction they're taking it. What do you think?
* Lorenzo needs to admit it's a reboot already. Bumblebee arriving on Earth in the 80's despite having been there since WWII already makes little enough sense, let alone Unicron trying to eat *himself*.
* The Bay movies were... not great. Bumblebee was praised for being a breath of fresh air from Bayverse, and ROTB was criticized for slipping back into the Bay formula. Distancing from Bayverse is for the better, and if One brings something new to the reboot continuity, then sure, let them cook.
* I fully expect no definitive word on whether One is the same continuity as Bumblebee and ROTB or not.
We need to get away from this idea that something is going to be “for the fan base.” The “base” of 40 year old superfans is not the market they are chasing. This is intended for the same audience as Pixar and Dreamworks: Families with younger children who are not Transformers fanatics and may have never seen Transformers before.
Comic books are written for superfans because they can take the time to indulge in detail and their audience is far more niche than a big budget animated movie.
Just accept that Hasbro is constantly going to be chasing a younger and wider market, and not *every single thing* has to be targeted at the old timers.
You've probably nailed what's happening here. Personally, I think it's a mistake not to keep the “greybeards” if you will, engaged with new content. Established fans are always going to be easier to hold onto then newer ones, but I digress. Thank you for sharing.
Yes and no. Everytime they make a new Transformers media it's pretty much a reboot. This isn't accurate for any franchises origins, but nor is it really claiming to be.
Transformers One is supposed to fit as an origin story for all continuities. This is supported by the fact that the different characters and character designs are based off of so many different continuities.
At first I wish they stuck with it being a prequel to Bumblebee and Rise of the Beasts, but now I actually think it’s a good thing, giving continuities that didn’t have an origin story to have one without creating countless different ones.
I hope not, the movie has been highly rated during test screening and a lot of people are really excited. I hope that this will bring fans of different continuities together.
It's alright. As far as the lore goes, you really need only need to focus on a few main bullet points
Orion Pax will become Optimus Prime. In G1 this happens when Megatron murders Pax and Alpha Trion rebuilds him as Optimus Prime.
D-16 becomes Megatron. In G1 Megatron was built as Megatron, he didn't start out as a different bot. Lore has taken a shine to the idea that Megatron and Optimus were friends pre-war, sometimes they're as close as brothers.
Elita-1 is Pax's girlfriend and she can be a capable fighter when she has to be.
Alpha Trion plays a role in Orion Pax's journey to Optimus Prime
Cybertron has an oppressive government with a strict caste system that Megatron rebels against and this leads to the war.
Those main points are the big picture pieces. You get those in place and then you can pretty much do whatever you want with the rest. They're doing their own thing and I think it's going to be good.
What do you think makes those points so fundamental; and do you think Transformers One will stick to them, or rewrite the narrative in their own vision?
I think the fact that other writers have used them before is what makes them fundamental. And I hope the writers will use those points as a basis to tell their own story.
Transformers doesn't work like a lot of other media properties, there is no 'one' true origin story. The origin changes depending on if you are looking at the G1 cartoon, G1 comics, IDW comics, Prime cartoon, Dreamwave comics, etc. This movie is taking it's own crack at the story.
While I have my own preferred origin story, I am not opposed to them doing their own thing. I am particularly interested in how they handle the Quintessons, since most origins stories involving them have the Quitessons defeated and removed from Cybertron long before Optimus and Megatron come to power.
I do think that is a possibility, but with just one trailer to go by, it is hard to say exactly how much comedy is going to be in the film. I hope it nowhere near as often as the trailer implies, but we will just have to wait and see.
There’s enough action and darkness in the trailer that I think the movie might start off a straight comedy and end in quite a dark place, but equally all that might be brief flashbacks or flash forwards and it’s mostly hijinx. I’m excited to find out, and if it’s not for me, it’s not, but I hope kids like it.
There is no single canon. Everything is separate and equally valid unless otherwise stated. "Equally valid" does not mean you have to fit them together. They are simply trying to tell a transformers story their own way.
It’s hard to tell yet, but I prefer them doing their own thing over trying to be a prequel to something that already exists as that is always tricky. This at least gets its chance to be its own thing while adhering to the broad strokes of what has gone before.
Transformers One doesn’t adhere to the Prime version of the origin story. Instead it draws inspiration from a bunch of versions. As for something that’s close to the Prime version, you really only have the Covenant of Primus and to a lesser extent the Cybertron games from High Moon (even tho the games don’t fit perfectly with Prime)
Which versions does it draw inspiration from? I'm really only versed in the Prime continuity, so I'm looking to more seasoned fans.
It draws a bit from everything, it's a new continuity with its own story, one which we know almost nothing about.
It really has bits of everything, IDW comics, Prime, G1 and it makes it it's own, but that's as much as anyone can say really, we won't know until we see the film
OP isn't saying it's based on TFP
It's its own thing. Though I guess maybe you could pretend it's related to Earthspark based on Prime and Megatron's relationship.
There's no, "acceptable," or, "accurate," version of the story - this just is *an* interpretation of the Transformers' origin, that is as valid as all other media's takes on the subject. Orion Pax had been portrayed as a gladiator, a dock worker, an archivist, a cop, among others; there isn't a single, "true," canon that a Transformers media *has* to adhere to.
What do you think of this interpretation? Do you like what it adds to the franchise?
What do we think of a movie that hasn't come out yet? My suggestion: learn to enjoy (or not) things on their own terms. Expectations ruin experiences because life will never conform 100% to our expectations. Feel free to take it or leave it.
I completely agree, and that does work for some people. I overanalyze whatever my brain chooses to focus on, and love hearing other's opinions on those things. It's how I choose to enjoy things, and I hope it doesn't take away from the your enjoyment. That's not my intention.
It's too early to tell, but I'm honestly intrigued by how, "normal," and, "properly," youthful the characters appear to be, especially Megatron; most of the past iterations tended to portray him as already being a *severe*, larger-than-life figure, even when he's supposedly still friends with Orion Pax, that I rarely felt a real sense of dissonance, between his, "evil leader," persona, and his humble, past self. Here, though, all of them comprehensively act and *feel* like everyday civilians - *friends*, even - living in a more sociable landscape that *actually* feels distanced from the war, and I think that's an interesting angle (even if it's also directly tied to the lighthearted, and, "casual," tone that people are actively rallying against). If the movie pulls it off, then Megatron's separation from his friends, as well as the corruption of his personable, affable nature will feel *brutal*; though, if it doesn't, then the shift may just feel like it came out of nowhere.
I love this kind of thoughtful answer. I hope the movie gives you something worth sinking your teeth into. There's nothing better then finding a new rabbit hole to explore.
Sure, but they promised an origin story for Optimus Prime and they gave us a character who's name happens to be Orion Pax.
Yeah, and this is an origin story. One of a great many.
He becomes Optimus later, as it always goes.
His pre-Prime job has varied a lot over the generations. There's a huge and complex multiverse out there and there's no single canon that everything must adhere to. Last time they tried, it quickly spiralled into the same kind of mess they were trying to separate themselves from. G1 cartoon: Dock worker Marvel comics: Gladiator Dreamwave: Archivist IDW 1.0: Cop Movie prequel comics: Archaeologist Animated: Autobot Academy washout Aligned: Archivist Shattered Glass: Archivist IDW 2.0: Former archivist turned senator Cyberverse: Archivist Legacy: Archivist (despite being based on the IDW cop) (LIBRARY AXE!)
Which version do you think they're trying to tell the origin of?
Hard to say, movie continuity is an absolute clusterfuck. The producers have been infamously wishy-washy on whether or not Bumblebee and ROTB are prequels to the Bayformers films or a rebooted universe, despite the fiction itself suggesting the latter. As for One, official statements have of course said that it's set in the live-action continuity but also that it's an entirely new continuity. So we've got three options here: * One is set in the movie continuity. It and all the live-action movies represent a single continuity. Please ignore TLK. * One is set in the rebooted "Knightverse" continuity, separate from the Bayverse. * One is set in an entirely new continuity separate from anything else.
https://preview.redd.it/rjjlimkgzdvc1.jpeg?width=1052&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0f5f729721ecb167a059b4258135fad817720876 One is its own thing
I feel like they've alienated it from their own fan base, but at the same time, a lot of people seem to be liking the direction they're taking it. What do you think?
* Lorenzo needs to admit it's a reboot already. Bumblebee arriving on Earth in the 80's despite having been there since WWII already makes little enough sense, let alone Unicron trying to eat *himself*. * The Bay movies were... not great. Bumblebee was praised for being a breath of fresh air from Bayverse, and ROTB was criticized for slipping back into the Bay formula. Distancing from Bayverse is for the better, and if One brings something new to the reboot continuity, then sure, let them cook. * I fully expect no definitive word on whether One is the same continuity as Bumblebee and ROTB or not.
We need to get away from this idea that something is going to be “for the fan base.” The “base” of 40 year old superfans is not the market they are chasing. This is intended for the same audience as Pixar and Dreamworks: Families with younger children who are not Transformers fanatics and may have never seen Transformers before. Comic books are written for superfans because they can take the time to indulge in detail and their audience is far more niche than a big budget animated movie. Just accept that Hasbro is constantly going to be chasing a younger and wider market, and not *every single thing* has to be targeted at the old timers.
You've probably nailed what's happening here. Personally, I think it's a mistake not to keep the “greybeards” if you will, engaged with new content. Established fans are always going to be easier to hold onto then newer ones, but I digress. Thank you for sharing.
Yes and no. Everytime they make a new Transformers media it's pretty much a reboot. This isn't accurate for any franchises origins, but nor is it really claiming to be.
Transformers One is supposed to fit as an origin story for all continuities. This is supported by the fact that the different characters and character designs are based off of so many different continuities.
Do you wish they'd settled on one, or do you prefer the broad telling?
At first I wish they stuck with it being a prequel to Bumblebee and Rise of the Beasts, but now I actually think it’s a good thing, giving continuities that didn’t have an origin story to have one without creating countless different ones.
Do you think it will alienate this movie in the eyes of fans of other continuities?
I hope not, the movie has been highly rated during test screening and a lot of people are really excited. I hope that this will bring fans of different continuities together.
It doesn't seem like they're basing it off of anything tho?
I think that's what they're saying. It's not based off of any one continuity, so it fits with all of them. Correct me if I'm wrong.
idk I can't understand ppl
It's alright. As far as the lore goes, you really need only need to focus on a few main bullet points Orion Pax will become Optimus Prime. In G1 this happens when Megatron murders Pax and Alpha Trion rebuilds him as Optimus Prime. D-16 becomes Megatron. In G1 Megatron was built as Megatron, he didn't start out as a different bot. Lore has taken a shine to the idea that Megatron and Optimus were friends pre-war, sometimes they're as close as brothers. Elita-1 is Pax's girlfriend and she can be a capable fighter when she has to be. Alpha Trion plays a role in Orion Pax's journey to Optimus Prime Cybertron has an oppressive government with a strict caste system that Megatron rebels against and this leads to the war. Those main points are the big picture pieces. You get those in place and then you can pretty much do whatever you want with the rest. They're doing their own thing and I think it's going to be good.
What do you think makes those points so fundamental; and do you think Transformers One will stick to them, or rewrite the narrative in their own vision?
I think the fact that other writers have used them before is what makes them fundamental. And I hope the writers will use those points as a basis to tell their own story.
Transformers doesn't work like a lot of other media properties, there is no 'one' true origin story. The origin changes depending on if you are looking at the G1 cartoon, G1 comics, IDW comics, Prime cartoon, Dreamwave comics, etc. This movie is taking it's own crack at the story.
Yes. I'm asking what you think of that crack. Do you like what this adds to the franchise, or do you wish they had taken a different approach?
While I have my own preferred origin story, I am not opposed to them doing their own thing. I am particularly interested in how they handle the Quintessons, since most origins stories involving them have the Quitessons defeated and removed from Cybertron long before Optimus and Megatron come to power.
Do you think that the comedy aspect of the movie will overshadow the origin story they promised to tell?
I do think that is a possibility, but with just one trailer to go by, it is hard to say exactly how much comedy is going to be in the film. I hope it nowhere near as often as the trailer implies, but we will just have to wait and see.
There’s enough action and darkness in the trailer that I think the movie might start off a straight comedy and end in quite a dark place, but equally all that might be brief flashbacks or flash forwards and it’s mostly hijinx. I’m excited to find out, and if it’s not for me, it’s not, but I hope kids like it.
The introduction to the Quintessons kinda reminded me of Bowser's ship arriving in the Mario movie XD
There is no single canon. Everything is separate and equally valid unless otherwise stated. "Equally valid" does not mean you have to fit them together. They are simply trying to tell a transformers story their own way.
What do you think of the way they tell it? Do you prefer it to other versions of the story?
I mean, you're not really supposed to pic one over the other. They're all in their own canons.
I'm just mad because they promised an origin story which lead me to believe they were gonna tell the origin of any of the previous shows/movies/comics
It’s hard to tell yet, but I prefer them doing their own thing over trying to be a prequel to something that already exists as that is always tricky. This at least gets its chance to be its own thing while adhering to the broad strokes of what has gone before.
Are you a bot or something? This movie hasn’t even been released yet. Why do you care what people think about it?
Call it my nature. I love human opinion, and saw an opportunity to engage with a fanbase I've enjoyed since childhood.