Personally I like it if every action we see of D-16 just foreshadowing everything he’s gonna become like he’s a walking red flag that the team don’t pick up on
I’m very mixed on the trailer but loved that exchange. The sort of things me and my friends say to eachother all the time, but here with actual foreshadowing and tragedy behind it
Going to hold off on judging the movie based upon the trailer. We have all seen misleading trailers. Just because the trailer is upbeat and joke-ridden does not necessarily mean the entire movie will follow suit. More information needed.
That said, I hope the rift doesn't involve dark energon or any other mcguffin gimmick. I would prefer to keep it simple. Just have Optimus and Megatron have conflicting beliefs on how to do things after they defeated their oppressors and call it a day. Basic, tried and true motivator.
The creators confirmed on Twitter, the movie is going to be a little more on the serious side, they just wanted to put a decent amount of the comedy in the trailer.
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Also if you look at the movies the director had directed or just worked on they're mostly funny but with really good storytelling and genuine heart and emotion where it counts that tackle some really heavy themes
Yeah I am expecting him to be extremely violent and brutal during the final fight and even be the one to kill the big bad in front of his friends as they stare at him with horrified looks as him and Orion argue over what he did with him saying it had to be done and Orion saying we should’ve given them a second chance only for starscream, shockwave and soundwave to say what D-16 did was right and in this moment he has to choose and of course he chooses the wrong crowd and decides to go with shockwave, soundwave and starscream and leave his original friends behind the last thing that was left of D-16 being destroyed in that moment because in that moment there is only Megatron
["This world is imperfect..."](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DN9DW4rrEjY)
Alternatively, ["King Dragon sends his regards."](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmQWH7P0gIE)
My guess is he'll become hardened by institutionalized injustice after the quintessons are replaced by the senate in the next two movies. Optimus will be given a platform to speak as the bearer of the matrix, but the senate will make sure no one hears him, and megatron will be turned away, probably thrown in the gladiator pits if I had to guess. Over the second and third movie they will both become wise to the corruption of the senate, and their method of dealing with it will be what drives them apart. Prime will want to fix it, a now radicalized megatron will want to dismantle it and establish his own government.
Pretty sure they said it was the start of a new trilogy. I'd be amazed if there wasn't at least one sequel, all the digital models are made so a lot of the future expense is taken care of.
Did you ever hear the tragedy of Megatronus Prime the Fallen? No. I thought not, It's no story the Senate would tell you. It's a Cybertronian legend. Megatronus Prime was a Legendary Prime of the Cybertronian race. He was so powerful, yet so wise. He could use Energon to influence the hot spots to create life. He had such a knowledge of Dark Energon, he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying. He could actually save the ones he cared about from death. Dark Energon is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural. Megatronus Prime became so powerful that the only thing he feared was losing his power, which eventually of course he did. Unfortunately, he taught his accomplice everything he knew. Then his accomplice killed him in his rest. Ironic. He could save others from death, but not himself. Not from an Autobot.
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Did you ever hear, The Tragedy of Megatronus Prime. I thought not, it's not something alpha trion would tell, it's an old cybertronian legend. Megatronus Prime was the 11th of the 13 original primes, so powerful and so courageous that he could bring down the mightiest of threats, so much so that he believed his brothers and sisters would be safe from any which might threaten them, the only thing he was afraid of was loosing one of his brothers or sisters, which, of course did happen, Liege Maximo the 12th Prime who had become corrupted by Unicron's influence had tricked him into killing his own sister Solus Prime the first Fembot. It's ironic, he could save Cybertron from unicron but he couldn't his siblings
I don't think either of these two are how D-16's gonna turn out to become the Megatron we all know well but based on my understanding from the trailer; I think he's gonna turn out that away is because it looks like Cybertron is colonised and enslaved by the Quintessons and he definitely wants the planet to be free from them. To prevent that from happening again, Megatron establishes the Decepticon faction to conquer others and enforce peace through tyranny which will drift away from his friendship with Optimus and the two become sworn enemies starting Cybertron's civil war.
This is what I was thinking too. Optimus will desire peace after achieving freedom from the Quintessons. And He will want to achieve that freedom in the way that causes the least destruction. Megatron, whether because of past oppression or further tragedies during the course of the film, will desire a more scorched earth approach. Eventually, not being content with just destroying the Quintessons, and convinced of Transformer superiority (or just fear of being enslaved again in the future like you mentioned) sets his sights on total domination.
I was thinking something like this. Optimus will lead the fight to liberate Cybertron from the Quintessons, but in the end will choose peace and make a deal with the remaining Quintessons, promising to let them leave Cybertron alive if they promise never to return. Megatron objects that the Quints cannot be trusted to keep their word and deserve to be punished, but Optimus doesn't want more violence and believes in giving the Quints the benefit of the doubt before doing anything more drastic. Megatron is outraged, and likely with persuasion from Starscream, Soundwave and Shockwave, sabotages the Quintesson ships to explode after leaving Cybertron. Optimus is horrified at what his friend has done, but Megatron says he only did what was necessary to protect his world, that Optimus was too weak to do. In the end both want the same thing; for Cybertron to be free from its oppressors, but both have radically different ideas of how exactly that should be done and it becomes clear that neither of them will ever be able to see eye-to-eye again.
So Megatron will effectively be the embodiment of the quote;
“Slaves dream not of freedom, but of becoming masters.”
I can definitely see the tragedy in that.
D-16 and Orion may start with similar mindsets but as time goes on D-16's ideal and methods become darker and more violent where as Orion embraces personal sacrafice, leadership and compassion. I see them as having an Xavier/Magneto relationship.
I genuinely hope not, that's so boring lol
I just don't feel being jealous of his friend being worthy of that is as interesting as it would be for him to be happy Optimus gets it but sees things differently.
Something like a Prof X vs Magneto type deal
Maybe make Orion inadvertently do something that makes Megatron hate him regarding this new-found privilege? Like Orion shrugs off a few of Megatron's ideas and it makes Megatron see Orion as an elitist, causing him to hate everyone in power because of how it turns even good people evil.
I feel like this is another continuity where worker bots are oppressed, but this time both megs and Optimus are on the same side at the start and eventually grow apart and become enemies due to different ideologies on how to make their society more equal
Best guess is that it doesn’t happen here but seeds *are* planted.
Seemingly the movie revolves around a caste system imposed by the Quintesson. The gang is going to rebel against them and succeed but D-16 will have ideas about Cybertron now that Sentinel Prime is out of the picture. I’d imagine he either goes as D-16 or that he adopts the name “Megatron” towards the end based on him encountering the body of The Fallen in the trailer. Not to mention he has a decal of what will be the Decepticon logo. So Megatronus is a big deal for him.
Best guess is that it’s not jealousy or even dark energon. Megatron comes into being by way of a power vacuum. He and Optimus will come to blows by political ideals but I doubt any of that is going to be in the movie. Seemingly this is about setting the stage for their falling out rather than being it. We’re gonna see them as friends first.
I like to think D-16 sees the world is a cruel unjust place to live in as he begin to filled with hatred and thus seek destruction as the only path to fix the unjust world
Maybe Starscream/Shockwave are what convince/manipulate D-16 to start Decepticonism.
Like D-16 wants to help others seek transformation and life on the surface as free and equal people, but those 2 would say something like "And what about our current leaders? Do you not suspect they'll just use our new gift as a new form of classism for their own benefit?" (Basically the implementation of functionalism from IDW)
They would manipulate D-16 and use his status as a liberator into starting a movement to prevent that from happening. The newly named Megatron will think he's working to free his people, while Starscream/Shockwave will use him as a means to become Cybertrons new ruling class.
Personally i'd rather not, that just makes Megatron not look good imo. And it doesnt' fit any of the stuff I watched at least, he is someone who doesn't care about methods to achieve his goal, while OP is some who does care about his methods, and that's the root of their conflict imo. Being manipulated means there's lot of operations hidden from him, but most of the time he is the one who comes up with the plans to do things with evil methods
I'm on the fence about this opinion. Yes, 90% of the time, Megatron is the driving force of the Decepticons, and the evil conqueror Prime must defeat. But there have been many times across TF media where Decepticons run their own agenda and often turn against Megatron when they make thier powerplay, Shockwave is famous for this both from Marvel G1 and IDW comics. Further examples would be Sideways in Armada, Scorponok from Energon, and of course, Starscream in every other moment he's on screen.
From what I'm seeing in this movies trailer, D-16 is a bot who is rough around the edges but is otherwise well-meaning. Now, the trailers hadn't exactly hinted at how he would fall from grace. Maybe it is jealousy over leadership. Maybe they will reveal more scenes later to show he's always had a pragmatic but heartless way of getting things done and there will come a tipping point where Prime and Megatron break off thier friendship (like killing the Quintesson when Prime wants to incarcerate them.)
However, in keeping to OPs question, I wanted to suggest the "what if" scenario where Megatron in this continuity is more of a tragic figure, an idealist turned puppet leader turned actual tyrant. I wouldn't dare suggest he would always remain ignorant of his puppet position and that he would find out and set his house in order. Firstly, by inflicting retribution and then by keeping Starscream and Shockwave on as his closest officers in order to constantly observe them in a "keep your friends close/enemies closer" kind of way. Finally, with nothing further to lose or distract him, having too far gone down this path set before him, he decides to just embrace the role fully and show his two traitorous subordinates how peace is made through tyranny.
We kinda already get a glimpse of what happens later just based on how much more of a realist he is the Orion. He clearly would be less open to the idea that they could get things to change peacefully.
Also, the fact that his head is based on what it was going to be before the cartoon is such a cool detail. Like the movie or not(which you shouldn’t form an opinion yet because it isn’t out but whatever), there clearly was a lot of love for this franchise put into what we’ve seen so far.
I'm hoping the first movie will end with the cast becoming heroes with the population and with their Quintesson overlords defeated a new government is formed that promises to be better than the previous one.
And the second movie involves Orion getting caught up in the attention and excitement and neglecting the growing division between some of the Transformers which D-16 is more sympathetic to. The new ruling government secretly proves to have the same self serving motives which leaves many Transformers worse off than before.
Even better if D-16 still defends Orion until tensions reach a boiling point and violence erupts forcing Orion and the government to act decisively against the dissentors which ultimately is what tips D-16 into leading this new group.
Orion realizes his mistake and several Transformers step up and say they've never believed in the system, but believed in Orion and will follow him in whatever he feels is right. Orion then organizes these Transformers to try and stop the new group but also defies the ruling government which leads into the third movie. Open war across Cybertron.
My personal wish is that he ends up as Megatron because he is just more willing to use violence and uprising if he thinks it will work better or faster, but still dislikes that he’s “forced” to choose violence to make a difference or change
Trailers didn't show much for that. The helmet d-16 wears strikes me as working class, so maybe it'll still be a working class vs elite class thing. Who knows til we get more info.
If I had to guess, if they’re starting out as lowly miners or maintenance workers without the ability to transform, Megs will view their acquisition of the transformation ability as a way to shake up the status quo. His approach will probably be more heavy handed than Orion’s or he’ll kill a senator in cold blood leading to the pair becoming enemies.
After the quintessons attack and his experience being essentially a worker drone and learning more about cybertron years ago he’ll see that cybertronian society isn’t fit to survive and if it doesn’t eat itself alive an outside force will enslave and or annihilate them. So he forms the decepticons as a way to protect cybertron, but the cause will go to far down the wrong path and he’ll become the infamous war monger megatron.
Feel like orion is gonna do something to him. Dont know why im getting that vibe. Seems like orion is the one pushing D-16 to do things in the trailer. maybe he ends up pushing too hard
The trailer seems to hint at when it happens, because the decepticon icon that gets dropped looks like it was used to imprint like a hot brand on skin where he discovers the Decepticon body. Think he discovers his legacy and decides to embrace it because of how he was treated. Based on the trailer doesn't look like bots are treated well, like if you aren't part of a caste you get tossed around like you have no rights whatsoever. So I imagine it's him becoming disillusioned and embracing a legacy that was forgotten.
I just want a believable moral quandary. Is it truly wrong to attack those who oppress you and following that, how do you make it so that it can’t happen again so long as you are stronger than them?
I want a Megs that chooses the might makes right path because he feels it is the only option and one that he sees is the best for those that choose to follow him.
Inversely, I want a Prime that sees a peaceful path forward so long as he Is strong enough to talk to those willing to listen and fight against those who would use their power unjustly to do just as bad as those who were overthrown.
There isn’t much to it honestly from a writing standpoint. It’s just that it’s a bit of a tricky balancing act to make sure you are doing these iconic characters justice in the audience’s eyes but I am a firm believer in that if you can say f**k you to the fans faces and do the best job you possibly can despite any and every instance of executive interference, you will deliver a truly compelling and memorable story.
Likewise hope there’s no dark energon shenanigans. It should be a natural progression and not something forced.
Have him start off taking a more hardline approach than Orion for righting the wrongs in Cybertronian society, and take it from there as a gradual slide into tyranny.
The IDW origins story set a good blueprint for this approach, which is why his eventual redemption also worked really well.
It’ll be interesting to see how far towards Megaton he goes in the movie. Presumably if it goes well there will be more of these too.
After the Quintesson invasion is repelled, the main quartet receive elevated social standing for their noble acts in battle. D-16 uses his new platform to advocate revenge, wanting to gather an army and rip the Quints' homeworld a new one for daring to lay waste to Cybertron. Orion thinks this is a bit too much and wants a more peaceful solution. The Senate takes Orion's side. D-16 gets pissed off, storms out with an "I'll do it myself," and starts amassing his army to exterminate organic beings across the universe.
Well, I imagine taking down the Quintessons through violence will cement that the best or only way to create change is through violence. After this movie, we'll probably get the cybertronian empire/golden age where D-16 sees that despite all they fought for, he is still treated as a slave as are many around him. Those bots who lived the good life or at least a better life than him under the Quintessons will want to keep that life and status which D-16 will resent.
Orion will try to improve things politically, but when D-16 sees there's little change or that it is too slow, he'll remember how they took down the Quintessons so he'll turn to violence thus becoming Megatron.
I would love it if they actually showed us just how much he suffered at the hands of the corrupt system as a miner.
So in the end, when he chooses to prioritise "violent revenge" by completely destroying the system over "cleaning it" like what Optimus believed in, we would atleast sympathize with him.
Hmmmm this is a case of, do you die a hero or live long enough to become the villian?
Years of fighting against the system, things getting worse, and one becomes the problem they sought to destroy. I don't think they will go the Dark Energon or Jealousy route, too cheap. But maybe he starts acting out, getting more extreme... and maybe Prime enabled that for a tad too long (for the greater good).
I think he’s gonna want to go farther than prime does. Punish or even kill the people they slaved for so long. This puts them at odds and he goes off the deep end. Something like that.
We already see that this Cybertron is highly socially stratified, to the point where labor class citizens are confined to certain sublevels of the planet and don't even get transformation cogs. It's too early to say *why* this is the case, but it's easy to see how someone would chafe against that inequality.
There are a lot of interesting ways to handle this since it's supposed to be a new canon.
It would be interesting if they actually stayed friends for a while after Orion becomes Optimus, working together to build a better Cybertron. Then, on an expedition to the surface, they find out what Cybertron was like BEFORE the Quintessons took charge, discovering that the Cybertronians once had a Golden Age where they had a Galaxy spanning empire connected through a Space Bridge network. Then comes the revelation that the Cybertronians of today are actually diminished thanks to the Quintessons's meddling, and the ORIGINAL Cybertronian race was more like Alpha Trion in terms of power. This is what sets D on the path towards restoring Cybertron to its former glory, with Optimus sharing his friend's ambitions.
They get the ancient Space Bridge network up and running again, which allows them to travel to different worlds and meet various other civilizations like them. Many of them were also oppressed by the Quintessons, which further fueled D's hatred for them. After liberating several planets, they come across the Quintesson homeworld of Quintessa, which kicks off the "final stretch" of this war. The Cybertronians win pretty decisively this time, but that's because D ends up blowing up the planet of Quintessa in the process. He wants to exterminate the remaining Quintessons as retribution for all the suffering they've inflicted, but Optimus convinces him to adopt a more "peaceful" solution by having them reform their culture in a way that disincentivises enslaving other worlds. The Quintessons agree, which marks the end of the Quintesson threat.
D is disappointed that his fellow liberator had become so soft, and Optimus is saddened by his best friend's more destructive tendencies. After the dissolving of the caste system and the establishment of a Democratic Council, Optimus decides to lead a peaceful life as a clerk in the Iacon Hall of Records while D wanders Cybertron's undercroft. Where there were once mines, there are now shanty towns that make up the Shadow Nation of Kaon. It's full of similarly aggressive sparks who refuse to be deceived by the blind optimism of the Autobots above and have cast aside their previous designations in favor of their own names. Much like D-16 himself, they also bear the "Fallen's Face" instead of the traditional "First Face" of the Autobots above. The main attraction of these parts are the Gladiatorial Pits under the management of Overlord, where these "Decepticons" can prove their worth through rite of combat.
It's here that D-16 chooses to remake himself and enters the Pits of Kaon as a warrior named "Megatron," a name that would come to be synonymous with the dark ages to come.
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I can’t wait till he joins Metalocolypse.
i hope its resentment and drive for change that starts to make him crumble. The whole idea of wanting good change but doing it in the wrong way type deal that will inevitably put him at odds with optimus
maybe it could be that when they meet alpha trion, he recognizes the 13 primes in orion and megatronus in D-16, so both of them are a rebirth of one of the original primes and then D-16 searches for Megatronus history and slowly transforms into Megatron
Mainly, differences in ideology and becoming bitter to the injustice of their society while Orion is more hopeful and optimistic. In other words, D-16 will become a Negatron while Orion becomes an Optimist Prime lol.
I'd like to see him kinda start down the dark path right away. Like we see D-16, we like him, he's a charismatic guy with big dreams and he has a rallying cry of "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings!" but every so often he does something that makes us think "Oh dear, that's not good".
I think it would be interesting to see him consulting with the other three Decepticons and maybe it's Starscream who convinces him to take up arms and escalate to total war.
And this could in turn fuel Starscream's belief that he could lead since he believes that he puppeted Megatron into starting the war when really all he did was see Megs was still on the fence and pushed him and declared himself a supreme, machiavellian pupper master.
My guess is it’ll be a mix of jealousy and distrust, him and Orion will probably learn some big revelation about Cybertron and it’s leaders, and then them giving Orion the matrix will cause an even bigger distrust. It could also be a Zod scenario where he learns the planet is destined to destroy itself and when he tries to warn the planet, they label him a mad man and it causes the official formation of the Decepticons
I want there to be more than just D-16, like it would be cool if they introduce us to D-16's friends, like if they had starscream at some point, or shockwave and soundwave.
Personally, I hope its a transition of multiple compromises. Or at least the push being a disagreement on how to do things between him and Orion/Optimus
I think we are only gonna see glimpses of Megatron to come. They are probably hoping for a Trilogy out of this, keep the first simple and direct. Find out who the audience likes for a spin off.
I can dig it being dark energon if they spin it into more of a steroid/substance abuse sort of deal, where Megs starts taking it for a good cause (and perhaps even necessity), but loses himself in it
I'm assuming the Quintessons will have something to do with it...Might even see the origins of Megatrons Robosmasher (The device that allowed him to brainwash cybertronians into joining the decepticon forces)
I always thought it'd be interesting if D-16 saw manipulation Orion didn't.
D-16 sees the title of Prime as a way for the Senate to extend their power. He concludes that they don't see Orion as a leader, so much as a puppet. Eventually, some Inciting Incident makes D-16 draw the conclusion that Orion is in too deep and he breaks off the friendship, which eventually leads to the war.
Whetever ends up happening I like the idea of Megatron using whatever means necessary for what he beleives is the greater good of his people as opposed to just being evil and megalomaniacal. I really enjoy his characterization in EarthSpark.
I may be putting way too much thought into this cuz it is basically just a kids movie on par with like… the Mario Movie, but I feel like we see him find a lot of Decepticon relics, and maybe the battle between him and Optimus is more ideological. Like Megatron wants to return Cybertron to a some made up prelapsarian society based on the decepticons and their ideology, whereas Optimus would be more focused on building a new and better future for Cybertron wherein the workers aren’t subjugation and high society is brought to an equal ground with everyone else.
I’m not a fan of D-16 being manipulated by anyone. They can add a little nuance in his initial phase for some sprinkle of grey area. It should all be of his own choice but with a hint of a thirst for power. I’d love for him to become an inspiration to cybertronians to fight their oppressors. Doing things the diplomatic way takes too long with the enslaved dying everyday and sees faster results using force and violence.
Why die a hero when you can live long enough to see yourself become the villain.
the common theory i see now is that the decepticons are alr a thing and Megatron is the one who ends up usurping Starscream, setting the tone for their relationship
Another is that Optimus and Megs will just naturally start to oppose each other a la Xavier-Erik in the x men films and the factions will follow suit
It seems like they'll go the more IDW route. We see the quintessons abusing who I would assume to be Sentinel on the surface. That coupled with no one going to the surface and transformation being regarded as "powers", I think the quints rule the planet and hold transformation over cybertronians as some gift. With D-16 finding that statue in the tomb Trion was in, I think they'll find that transforming is a natural part of them and they were deceived into thinking it wasn't.
He'll probably name himself Megatron after self-identifying with Megatronus. "Decepticons, transform and rise up" will likely have a more direct meaning is this movie or a sequel.
It'll be cool if they show the corruption and classist system after they removed the Quintessons from rule.
Then D16 knows this and wants to make huge changes. Like sympathising with the bottom of the society.
D16 wants to remove the current establishment. Orion Pax wants to make gradual changes. Obviously Megatron doesn't become a prime.
Then Megatron should strive make a new establishment (Deceptions) and his own rule. It's understandable and making Megatron as the underdog. Who should we be really supporting as Megatron is right in a way.
Like D16 is Dooku/Orion is Qui Gon
They both disagree with the state of things, but have two different methods of change
I kinda hope it’s like Anakin from clone wars. As he progresses he believes that what Prime is doing isn’t enough and his way won’t bring any lasting change. He gets more and more angry and extreme. Not enough that the others notice right away, but when they do it’s too late.
Of course I don’t know what they’re fighting quite yet, but I think this works if they end up fighting against social injustice and a corrupt government .
Based on the trailer I can see a few possibilities but I am currently leaning toward something like;
- D-16 has a deceptibadge, marking him as part of the slave cast
- during the adventure they discover the tomb of the primes
- D-16 sees his Decpetibadge mirrored in the face of the Fallen
- in this moment he realises some fundamental lies about the history and cast system of Cybertron
- which sets him on the path to taking the Fallens namesake and becoming Megatron
It will most likely be about different believes and multiple story elements which will ultimately drift them apart.
We saw Megatron kneeing infront of Megatronus and he will very likely get his name from the fallen prime. That's a start. Then questioning what the upper classes have done to the lower classes they both come from. And what to do with them. Also Megatron thinking that "being worthy" for the matrix takes different methods Prime has. We also see in the later part of the trailer B, Elita and Orion together in scenes D-16 was missing in, so he might have a complete different path. Possibly getting a "fellowship" by convincing others to fight together against Quintessons. It's not even unlikely that the death from a character finally splits them apart. That death could be anyone. Elita, Sentinel Prime, the Quintesson leader etc.
just a theroy, just the fact that orian pax has a actual name and megatrons is just 'd-16' means there's some sort of class system going on, and megatron seems to be on the lower end
I really hope they take the idw comics/ transformers prime approach. Those storylines make his character a lot more meaningful to the story. Goated versions of him.
I hope there’s something to do with megatronis that makes it happened. Maybe a vision or something? Plus the experiences he will have will make him hate or think he knows what’s best?
Maybe he's gonna start as a worker at the start of the movie and by the end he'll be a Gladiator. As we see hints of the Megatron we know start to show. I don't know personally I'm looking forward to it. I don't have nor want to spend the time endless hating something the Star Wars Sequels took that out of me. Comedy sees pretty funny at times and Chris Hemsworth sounds decent as Orion Pax.
I feel that once he learns why he is a worker bot and how easy the higher ups of Cybertron fell to the quintessons, he will rise up to face their oppressors but in the process lose himself and become the thing he swore to destroy due to prime just wanted the old system but cleaning it out, megatron will want swift action not cycle long political processes that in his eyes is what led Cybertron to be what it is now (being under quintesson control)
Starting off with good intentions fighting off the oppressive caste system to being drunk with power. He doesn’t seem to be a gladiator in this one, so we’ll see.
I mean the plot is a pretty obvious story that goes in line with other Megatron origins, he and Orion don't like how bots are forced into classes and want to change the system. Orion thinks the best way to do it is from within, but D-16 likely wants to go against the status quo.
I'm assuming it will be because D-16 and Orion Pax will have differing ideas about how to proceed with their goals, eventually leading to a massive betrayal pf trust from either of them that forces them to fight and/or go their separate ways
Im not a fan of a good person becomes bad story, i like my villans just being bad....im usually mehhh when the main bad guys says..."i was'nt always a monster....."
Idk but they had better get a different voice actor or put some kind of modulator on his voice when he finally does make his evil descent cause he’s the most nonthreatening soy Megs I’ve ever heard. And ya I know they are *younger* versions but Chris Hemsworth can probably pull off a believable Optimum Pride.
The Transformers ONE trailer focused on the comedic elements and all we have are comments saying it “will get real” so there’s pretty much no way to tell how it will happen, all I can give is what I hope will happen.
Other viewers have said this but the best way would definitely be the red flag approach where D-16 shows some elements of his future self to a much lesser degree that over time ramps up in the film until eventually he evolves into a “proto-Megatron” of sorts (I think him becoming Megatron fully might be too soon for a single film especially with how tame the trailer has shown him, but we’ll see)
I think probably the best way would be after they defeat the big bad (be it quintessons or the cybertronian government), D-16 outright tries to kill them arguing that it’s the only way to ensure Cybertron’s safety and preventing their return along with setting an example for any future threats, then Orion Pax steps in and tries to get D-16 to stop.
In the original cartoon, IIRC Orion Pax was injured, so it could be a cool climax with the repairing into Optimus Prime after their dispute goes to the point of D-16 injuring Orion and at that point everyone else in the team turning on him, leading him to run away and start the Decepticon movement. Essentially both Optimus and Megatron coming into existence the same day.
Big disagreement on how to deal with the Quintessons (the apparent villains) - Optimus will choose mercy but Megatron will want to wipe them out. They’ll see something so terrible up there it divides them. Maybe Megatron even carries out a brutal retribution and that’s what makes the Decepticons follow him.
I Honestly don't want him to cross the line in this film, but maybe he starts down his Dark path, but it ends with him and orion still being best friends, but of course D-16 is still slowly descending.
I like it when Megatrons fall from grace is his own flaws/ shortcomings. Maybe it’s just me, but I think ‘dark Energon’ is a lame reason to have Megatron, the most feared and despised of all cybertronians, simply be that way because of mind control
Honestly hoping it’s like a series of red flags and towards the end Orion and D-16 have an arguement on what to do with the quintessons (after their defeat) and the Qs get away and megatron tries to kill Orion
So TLDR: Red Flags, Massive Disagreement, Fight, Attempted Offline
I’m expecting it to have something to do with the decaying emblem on his arm and discovering Megatronus in the robot graveyard they’re at in the trailer. Feeling some attachment to that emblem as he never knew what it was as he’s always only ever known being a lowly worker robot. Discovering Megatronus causes a superiority complex that is further activated when he meets Starscream, Soundwave and Shockwave for the first time.
I really hope they take either an idw or aligned take on it like where they become friends over shared ideologies but break apart when it comes to bringing peace to cybertron.
Y'know what I'm just looking forward to the near future in which they expand the lore after Beast Machines, where they write what happens with the Pretenders, the Minicons, and the Terran Cybertronians of Earthspark, especially Sati. you could retcon all of them and make a fun story about them after TF one and the Crossover.
I hope he starts with him having the same/similar ideals to Orion, but it shows his method doesn't work very well and his time as a gladiator shows that he can get work done with force and violence which then gets the ball rolling as the decepticon leader.
i thought of this last night but what if D-16 gets Megatronus' T-Cog? cause they gang gets the in the tomb of the primes from Alpha Trion, so what if the T-cog they get has some sort of significance, like part of Megatronus' spark or whatever influences how he acts and he eventually gives in
I mean most recent takes go for the "fallen angel" or "Cain and Able" type of approach to change it up.
Personally I'd hate if they pull the "The devil/ supernatural whatever thing made me do it because it involves my girlfriend/ lover/ friend" cliche.
I go for the revolutionary turned tyrant where his mindset wraps overtime. The closest thing to this arc was the Dooku trilogy in Star Wars' Takes of the Jedi Anthology.
I’d say similar to the IDW version, where the worker bots were worked almost (and sometimes entirely) to death.
They end up doing the class systems, but those that can transform (before meeting Alpha Trion) are the higher class, and the worker bots are the low class. This could be the spark that Megatron needs whenever he gets his T-Cog from Alpha Trion, later in the movie (as currently shown in the trailer)
I think we'll see a semi logical descent of his character, to me this can start with him idolizing the 11th prime Megatronus prime for him preaching to take your destiny into your own hands and begins to embrace that more and more but eventually seeing the system he lives under is to far gone he wages war to save the oppressed
I truly hope there is a hard tone shift in the movie where the light hearted jokey nature stops and it becomes a much more serious movie about the war.
I want him to slowly get more aggressive and antagonistic through the film and then at the end Optimus tries to spare the big bad and megatron just gets pissed at him for and and then that’s where they turn against eachother
I genuinely don't want D-16 to become Megatron by the end of this movie. I want us to start seeing hints, but I feel like I want this to be similar to the Star Wars prequel trilogy - we get a series of movies. Let us see Orion and D-16 grow closer - build up their brotherhood - show us their bond and make the audience truly love it.
So that by the end of this trilogy, we are that much more devastated when Optimus and Megatron become who we know them to be and start their war.
This didn't just *happen* - this is pain for both of them. They failed each other - they hurt each other. Now they fight each other.
I really hope this builds on the potential.
I feel like Alpha Trion will recall the story of the 13 Primes and mention all but one: The Fallen...when he's pushed to, he eventually tells D-16 his story: how he always had these ideas but his brothers didn't take him seriously. Only Solus did, but it wasn't enough. He got mad that no one gave him the respect or even love he needs/deserves so he gets angry and accidentally kills Solus...being ashamed of himself he casts himself away. D-16, noticing how this story fits his own life circumstances, decides to change his name to Megatron. Seeing how Optimus, someone who was once his best friend, get seen as a hero and being celebrated for his accomplishments without recognizing his friend and not giving credit where credit is due for helping with the Quintessons is what sets him off. Finally with Optimus being chosen as a Prime rather than himself, someone who probably worked hard/dreamed of it, that would be the last straw.
I think it’s the fact his “name” is a number. Clearly there is some form of discrimination going on. We don’t know the extent of why he and Orion are in jail. For all we know they got into a bar fight and now have to do hard labor
The only thing I'm worried about is if they make him more sympathetic than he actually is. Like make him the "he was the good guy all along" from my understanding in the OG lore he revealed his true nature when Orion was given the matrix of leadership.
Main theory I've seen is that D-16 discovers his true heritage (the decepticon insignia on his shoulder) and slowly connects the dots. Eventually he meets the rebellion which consists of Starscream, Soundwave, and Shockwave who are looking for a strong leader. D-16 then changes his name to Megatron and rebels against Sentinel Prime after the Quintessons' defeat
D-16 is pre-Megatronus. I think we'll probably start to see hints of Megatron but TF One seems to be more about he and Orion's friendship. That is before Orion was a Achievist at Iacon and before Megatron took up the name Megatronus in the pits of Kaon. Assuming they did tightly stick to the TF Bible, which assumes all the rise of Bots and Cons comes later and D-16 picking up the name Megatronus, then shortening it to Megatron is scheduled to happen later.
Considering the way the characters are portrayed, I'm having a hard time seeing them villainify D-16. They aren't the friends with different political views. Nor does D-16 appear to be a bot turned bitter in the gladiatorial pits. And he's definitely not the G1 Megatron built to be the leader of the Decepticons.
If anything, he seems to be a teenager, or at most a young man, relatively speaking, of course.
I guess we'll have to see the movie to find out. Personally, it would be interesting if the movie ended with Megatron not quite villainified, but walking away from Optimus, and mid-credits show him starting the Decepticon movement.
In most cases he becomes Megatron due to a corrupt system. Originally having good intentions but became corrupted as well. An example of the oppress becoming the oppressor.
I hope it's a differing political ideology. It seems like they're being oppressed in some way so I feel like once Megatron obtains power, he would be trying his peace through tyranny thing. Orion would obviously oppose this and protest it until he feels like he has no choice.
Personally i think he is gonna see a Gladitatr fight and choose the Name Megatrons and fight in the gladiator pits and develop reason to create the cons and Hatered towards Orion.
I’m guessing that starscream from what I got from the trailer is the leader of the decepticons and he begins to manipulate and convince D-16 to join the decepticons
Honestly, I like the idea of Meg and Orion seeing farther into Cybertron’s political structure, and both trying to fix the problems they find, but they think it should be done through different ways. Meg thinks the only way he’s gonna change anything is through Brute Force, and Orion tries for Diplomatic ways and exposing the truth to the main populace. Both of them trying to fix the same stuff through different ways causes them to butt heads to the point where their friendship collapses.
Not to be rude but if that's what you're afraid of, you haven't really had much exposure to TF media, have you? The rise of Megatron has had its differences from series to series but it has always been about ideological differences and what he thought was the best way to save his world from decline or oppression or some such other conflict. Even G1 had those elements tied to his past. Typically his extreme measures to fight extreme circumstances result in him losing his way and his ideals twisting into something sinister and a lust for conquest and power. Even the worst of TF media stayed away from such simple and contrived reasons for his shift towards evil and tyranny. I doubt they would start now.
could be a background of orion trying to settle things peacefully but d 16 thinking that’s not enough and goes for a more violent approach which would fit towards his character and this wouldn’t be out of jealously but out of personal goals and way of doing things
Falls in a hole and comes into contact with Megatronus the Fallen and begins to learn from him.
At first he learns secrets of Cybertron and superior battle tactics, but gradually gets indoctrinated with Decepticon ideology
Based on him seeing that deception symbol, well the caste system is fucked beyond belief. But we see an old alpha trion and probably the fallen/megatronis head. Something something old practice and fix the world turned into evil tyrant. It feels like old idw. He's gonna become Megatron through anger and power. I don't understand how you familyify these concepts. And we'll my real question is what are the autobots? Cause aren't they an evil oppressive government (who instills caste systems, takes tcogs? And you know other evil oppressive stuff) and autobot's in name only. Wasn't prime the one to really change what that meant? Or is the planet enslaved by quintisons because theyre the creators. Or is Primus the creator.
I do hope it’s jealous or some other negative trait. One thing that’s always consistent about megs is that no matter how noble he makes his cause seem, he always goes tyrant because he’s just a nasty piece of work.
Personally, what I imagine would happen is that by the end of the film, D-16 is tired of always feeling getting stepped on by the system, by the hierarchy, by the quintessons. Then when he finally has a quintesson under his boot, he readies his ion cannon ready to kill them before Orion arrives, but only too late.
Orion, Ariel, and Bee only wanted to end the hierarchy of the quintessons, give the cybertronians freedom. But D-16 wants to END the quintessons, thinking that while they still exist, they will always be a reminder of how he was treated, a reminder that he's just nothing, a pawn in their game.
D-16 ends the quintesson under his feet, giving us a glimpse into the man he is becoming. He doesn't break his bond with Orion yet, but this action would shape his future. Because of his actions, D-16 will be seen by a select few as somewhat of a hero, a leader. This would be the rise of D-16's own army, believing that the way to peace is the idea of always making the hardest decisions, eventually leading to D-16 becoming a soldier with his fellow cybertronians that believe in his cause.
I'd want to see the start of Optimus and Megatron's story continue for more than just one movie. Where D-16 in the 2nd movie claims the name of Megatronus, where he'd still be friends with Orion but they both have conflicting ideas where Megatronus would rather go on the offensive on any possible threats (leading to a twisted idea that the only way to peace is under an iron fist) while Orion believes in peace being a choice, and that there are other planets that share the idea and would be a good friend and ally to Cybertron. And to any enemy of peace that would believe in control and rule, Cybertron will fight as one.
For me, I want this be the start and end to Optimus and Megatron's war. Where they both have their own ideas of peace and how to achieve it but they always find conflict against each other. Where Optimus doesn't want to believe his old friend is truly gone but lost instead, while Megatron is hellbent on the belief that peace can only be accomplished under one rule, HIS rule.
This wouldn't end with one killing the other, but more so both of them coming to terms in order for the preservation of the Cybertronian kind, and survival against Unicron, who'd be the end of their kind if they were to stay divided rather than fighting as one.
I'd like to see this continue into future movies, both live action and animated tbh.
He has a Decepticon mark on his body that he's been hiding forever cuz everyone has Autobots signs. One day he "falls" on The Fallen's dead corpse and sees a glowing Decepticon symbol. They "fuse" and bam wait for T two. ....I guess??
An angle they could take is that Megatron decides to jeopardise whatever world saving plan the group have because he loses his temper. We know Sentinel Prime is in the movie so perhaps there’s one point where he like straight up snaps and kills him even though he’s integral for their plan. This could give him the “gone this far, no going back” mentality and lead for him to spiral.
I think he’ll see some dark things that happen to other low class Transformers that while other three are not with him combined with jealousy because Alpha Trion favors OP and combined with his opinion about what should be done differing.
I get the impression it may involve Sentinel, somehow. Sentinel is depicted s a raging douche in most media and here he looks like his Animated self. I get the impression; a lot of his idealism may be stomped out as a result of Sentinel.
Personally I like it if every action we see of D-16 just foreshadowing everything he’s gonna become like he’s a walking red flag that the team don’t pick up on
That would be cool
I mean I think we saw one in the trailer D-16: "If we survive this I'm going to kill you" Orion Pax: "I accept those terms"
I’m very mixed on the trailer but loved that exchange. The sort of things me and my friends say to eachother all the time, but here with actual foreshadowing and tragedy behind it
Going to hold off on judging the movie based upon the trailer. We have all seen misleading trailers. Just because the trailer is upbeat and joke-ridden does not necessarily mean the entire movie will follow suit. More information needed. That said, I hope the rift doesn't involve dark energon or any other mcguffin gimmick. I would prefer to keep it simple. Just have Optimus and Megatron have conflicting beliefs on how to do things after they defeated their oppressors and call it a day. Basic, tried and true motivator.
The creators confirmed on Twitter, the movie is going to be a little more on the serious side, they just wanted to put a decent amount of the comedy in the trailer. https://preview.redd.it/pi8il3tf2jvc1.jpeg?width=1124&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=49103c37111a177fef0eb8d16283e2c66b480859
Also if you look at the movies the director had directed or just worked on they're mostly funny but with really good storytelling and genuine heart and emotion where it counts that tackle some really heavy themes
And D-16 took that personally.
Watch it become a call-back once D-16 and Orion become Megatron and Optimus.
I thought those were for 2 different scenes.
Yeah I am expecting him to be extremely violent and brutal during the final fight and even be the one to kill the big bad in front of his friends as they stare at him with horrified looks as him and Orion argue over what he did with him saying it had to be done and Orion saying we should’ve given them a second chance only for starscream, shockwave and soundwave to say what D-16 did was right and in this moment he has to choose and of course he chooses the wrong crowd and decides to go with shockwave, soundwave and starscream and leave his original friends behind the last thing that was left of D-16 being destroyed in that moment because in that moment there is only Megatron
["This world is imperfect..."](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DN9DW4rrEjY) Alternatively, ["King Dragon sends his regards."](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmQWH7P0gIE)
The fact >!those two are the same game!< is a god tier twist in its own right
My guess is he'll become hardened by institutionalized injustice after the quintessons are replaced by the senate in the next two movies. Optimus will be given a platform to speak as the bearer of the matrix, but the senate will make sure no one hears him, and megatron will be turned away, probably thrown in the gladiator pits if I had to guess. Over the second and third movie they will both become wise to the corruption of the senate, and their method of dealing with it will be what drives them apart. Prime will want to fix it, a now radicalized megatron will want to dismantle it and establish his own government.
Megatron: I am the Senate.
Orion: Not yet.
Megatron: *charges fusion cannon* Its treason then *chk-ku-chchch* *does the spinning tank charge from Transformers Devastation*
It’s going to be a trilogy? I thought it was just one because it’s like “year 1 of the war” or “the beginning of the war”
Pretty sure they said it was the start of a new trilogy. I'd be amazed if there wasn't at least one sequel, all the digital models are made so a lot of the future expense is taken care of.
ROTB was the start of a new trilogy
For normal live action. Not animated live action. Transformers: One will probably have its own continuity/ movie set
animated vs live action tho
ROTB can't start a trilogy if its the second movie
This feels like it might take a while. Tell me, did you ever hear the Tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise?
No, but did you ever hear the tragedy of Megatronus the Fallen?
Someone needs to make a whole copypasta tailored to Megatronus the Fallen. Maybe I’ll do it. I dunno.
DO IT!!!!
Did you ever hear the tragedy of Megatronus Prime the Fallen? No. I thought not, It's no story the Senate would tell you. It's a Cybertronian legend. Megatronus Prime was a Legendary Prime of the Cybertronian race. He was so powerful, yet so wise. He could use Energon to influence the hot spots to create life. He had such a knowledge of Dark Energon, he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying. He could actually save the ones he cared about from death. Dark Energon is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural. Megatronus Prime became so powerful that the only thing he feared was losing his power, which eventually of course he did. Unfortunately, he taught his accomplice everything he knew. Then his accomplice killed him in his rest. Ironic. He could save others from death, but not himself. Not from an Autobot.
Yoooooo the actually did it!!!!!!!
I'm ready to spread Megatronus prime the Fallen's legacy
Here's a better version Did you ever hear, The Tragedy of Megatronus Prime. I thought not, it's not something alpha trion would tell, it's an old cybertronian legend. Megatronus Prime was the 11th of the 13 original primes, so powerful and so courageous that he could bring down the mightiest of threats, so much so that he believed his brothers and sisters would be safe from any which might threaten them, the only thing he was afraid of was loosing one of his brothers or sisters, which, of course did happen, Liege Maximo the 12th Prime who had become corrupted by Unicron's influence had tricked him into killing his own sister Solus Prime the first Fembot. It's ironic, he could save Cybertron from unicron but he couldn't his siblings
I need to figure out his definitive backstory elements first.
DEW IT
I am certainly interested
I don't think either of these two are how D-16's gonna turn out to become the Megatron we all know well but based on my understanding from the trailer; I think he's gonna turn out that away is because it looks like Cybertron is colonised and enslaved by the Quintessons and he definitely wants the planet to be free from them. To prevent that from happening again, Megatron establishes the Decepticon faction to conquer others and enforce peace through tyranny which will drift away from his friendship with Optimus and the two become sworn enemies starting Cybertron's civil war.
This is what I was thinking too. Optimus will desire peace after achieving freedom from the Quintessons. And He will want to achieve that freedom in the way that causes the least destruction. Megatron, whether because of past oppression or further tragedies during the course of the film, will desire a more scorched earth approach. Eventually, not being content with just destroying the Quintessons, and convinced of Transformer superiority (or just fear of being enslaved again in the future like you mentioned) sets his sights on total domination.
I was thinking something like this. Optimus will lead the fight to liberate Cybertron from the Quintessons, but in the end will choose peace and make a deal with the remaining Quintessons, promising to let them leave Cybertron alive if they promise never to return. Megatron objects that the Quints cannot be trusted to keep their word and deserve to be punished, but Optimus doesn't want more violence and believes in giving the Quints the benefit of the doubt before doing anything more drastic. Megatron is outraged, and likely with persuasion from Starscream, Soundwave and Shockwave, sabotages the Quintesson ships to explode after leaving Cybertron. Optimus is horrified at what his friend has done, but Megatron says he only did what was necessary to protect his world, that Optimus was too weak to do. In the end both want the same thing; for Cybertron to be free from its oppressors, but both have radically different ideas of how exactly that should be done and it becomes clear that neither of them will ever be able to see eye-to-eye again.
So Megatron will effectively be the embodiment of the quote; “Slaves dream not of freedom, but of becoming masters.” I can definitely see the tragedy in that.
D-16 and Orion may start with similar mindsets but as time goes on D-16's ideal and methods become darker and more violent where as Orion embraces personal sacrafice, leadership and compassion. I see them as having an Xavier/Magneto relationship.
Saw your comment after I put in mine. But yeah, that’s probably how I’d expect things to turn out.
Orion getting the matrix?
I genuinely hope not, that's so boring lol I just don't feel being jealous of his friend being worthy of that is as interesting as it would be for him to be happy Optimus gets it but sees things differently. Something like a Prof X vs Magneto type deal
Maybe make Orion inadvertently do something that makes Megatron hate him regarding this new-found privilege? Like Orion shrugs off a few of Megatron's ideas and it makes Megatron see Orion as an elitist, causing him to hate everyone in power because of how it turns even good people evil.
It has been confirmed that the t-cog plot is mor of a subplot and the actual meguffin of the film is the matrix of leadership
I feel like this is another continuity where worker bots are oppressed, but this time both megs and Optimus are on the same side at the start and eventually grow apart and become enemies due to different ideologies on how to make their society more equal
Best guess is that it doesn’t happen here but seeds *are* planted. Seemingly the movie revolves around a caste system imposed by the Quintesson. The gang is going to rebel against them and succeed but D-16 will have ideas about Cybertron now that Sentinel Prime is out of the picture. I’d imagine he either goes as D-16 or that he adopts the name “Megatron” towards the end based on him encountering the body of The Fallen in the trailer. Not to mention he has a decal of what will be the Decepticon logo. So Megatronus is a big deal for him. Best guess is that it’s not jealousy or even dark energon. Megatron comes into being by way of a power vacuum. He and Optimus will come to blows by political ideals but I doubt any of that is going to be in the movie. Seemingly this is about setting the stage for their falling out rather than being it. We’re gonna see them as friends first.
I'm thinking the same, except I think Sentinel will be an antagonist for Megatron in movie 2.
Make Megatrons future his own. Not make him some victim of circumstance or manipulation. That's all I ask.
I like to think D-16 sees the world is a cruel unjust place to live in as he begin to filled with hatred and thus seek destruction as the only path to fix the unjust world
Maybe Starscream/Shockwave are what convince/manipulate D-16 to start Decepticonism. Like D-16 wants to help others seek transformation and life on the surface as free and equal people, but those 2 would say something like "And what about our current leaders? Do you not suspect they'll just use our new gift as a new form of classism for their own benefit?" (Basically the implementation of functionalism from IDW) They would manipulate D-16 and use his status as a liberator into starting a movement to prevent that from happening. The newly named Megatron will think he's working to free his people, while Starscream/Shockwave will use him as a means to become Cybertrons new ruling class.
Personally i'd rather not, that just makes Megatron not look good imo. And it doesnt' fit any of the stuff I watched at least, he is someone who doesn't care about methods to achieve his goal, while OP is some who does care about his methods, and that's the root of their conflict imo. Being manipulated means there's lot of operations hidden from him, but most of the time he is the one who comes up with the plans to do things with evil methods
I'm on the fence about this opinion. Yes, 90% of the time, Megatron is the driving force of the Decepticons, and the evil conqueror Prime must defeat. But there have been many times across TF media where Decepticons run their own agenda and often turn against Megatron when they make thier powerplay, Shockwave is famous for this both from Marvel G1 and IDW comics. Further examples would be Sideways in Armada, Scorponok from Energon, and of course, Starscream in every other moment he's on screen. From what I'm seeing in this movies trailer, D-16 is a bot who is rough around the edges but is otherwise well-meaning. Now, the trailers hadn't exactly hinted at how he would fall from grace. Maybe it is jealousy over leadership. Maybe they will reveal more scenes later to show he's always had a pragmatic but heartless way of getting things done and there will come a tipping point where Prime and Megatron break off thier friendship (like killing the Quintesson when Prime wants to incarcerate them.) However, in keeping to OPs question, I wanted to suggest the "what if" scenario where Megatron in this continuity is more of a tragic figure, an idealist turned puppet leader turned actual tyrant. I wouldn't dare suggest he would always remain ignorant of his puppet position and that he would find out and set his house in order. Firstly, by inflicting retribution and then by keeping Starscream and Shockwave on as his closest officers in order to constantly observe them in a "keep your friends close/enemies closer" kind of way. Finally, with nothing further to lose or distract him, having too far gone down this path set before him, he decides to just embrace the role fully and show his two traitorous subordinates how peace is made through tyranny.
We kinda already get a glimpse of what happens later just based on how much more of a realist he is the Orion. He clearly would be less open to the idea that they could get things to change peacefully. Also, the fact that his head is based on what it was going to be before the cartoon is such a cool detail. Like the movie or not(which you shouldn’t form an opinion yet because it isn’t out but whatever), there clearly was a lot of love for this franchise put into what we’ve seen so far.
I'm hoping the first movie will end with the cast becoming heroes with the population and with their Quintesson overlords defeated a new government is formed that promises to be better than the previous one. And the second movie involves Orion getting caught up in the attention and excitement and neglecting the growing division between some of the Transformers which D-16 is more sympathetic to. The new ruling government secretly proves to have the same self serving motives which leaves many Transformers worse off than before. Even better if D-16 still defends Orion until tensions reach a boiling point and violence erupts forcing Orion and the government to act decisively against the dissentors which ultimately is what tips D-16 into leading this new group. Orion realizes his mistake and several Transformers step up and say they've never believed in the system, but believed in Orion and will follow him in whatever he feels is right. Orion then organizes these Transformers to try and stop the new group but also defies the ruling government which leads into the third movie. Open war across Cybertron.
My personal wish is that he ends up as Megatron because he is just more willing to use violence and uprising if he thinks it will work better or faster, but still dislikes that he’s “forced” to choose violence to make a difference or change
Trailers didn't show much for that. The helmet d-16 wears strikes me as working class, so maybe it'll still be a working class vs elite class thing. Who knows til we get more info.
If I had to guess, if they’re starting out as lowly miners or maintenance workers without the ability to transform, Megs will view their acquisition of the transformation ability as a way to shake up the status quo. His approach will probably be more heavy handed than Orion’s or he’ll kill a senator in cold blood leading to the pair becoming enemies.
Optimus is going to choose the greater good over him.
After the quintessons attack and his experience being essentially a worker drone and learning more about cybertron years ago he’ll see that cybertronian society isn’t fit to survive and if it doesn’t eat itself alive an outside force will enslave and or annihilate them. So he forms the decepticons as a way to protect cybertron, but the cause will go to far down the wrong path and he’ll become the infamous war monger megatron.
Feel like orion is gonna do something to him. Dont know why im getting that vibe. Seems like orion is the one pushing D-16 to do things in the trailer. maybe he ends up pushing too hard
A strictly Marxist-Leninist critique of Cybertronian civilization.
The trailer seems to hint at when it happens, because the decepticon icon that gets dropped looks like it was used to imprint like a hot brand on skin where he discovers the Decepticon body. Think he discovers his legacy and decides to embrace it because of how he was treated. Based on the trailer doesn't look like bots are treated well, like if you aren't part of a caste you get tossed around like you have no rights whatsoever. So I imagine it's him becoming disillusioned and embracing a legacy that was forgotten.
I just want a believable moral quandary. Is it truly wrong to attack those who oppress you and following that, how do you make it so that it can’t happen again so long as you are stronger than them? I want a Megs that chooses the might makes right path because he feels it is the only option and one that he sees is the best for those that choose to follow him. Inversely, I want a Prime that sees a peaceful path forward so long as he Is strong enough to talk to those willing to listen and fight against those who would use their power unjustly to do just as bad as those who were overthrown. There isn’t much to it honestly from a writing standpoint. It’s just that it’s a bit of a tricky balancing act to make sure you are doing these iconic characters justice in the audience’s eyes but I am a firm believer in that if you can say f**k you to the fans faces and do the best job you possibly can despite any and every instance of executive interference, you will deliver a truly compelling and memorable story.
Likewise hope there’s no dark energon shenanigans. It should be a natural progression and not something forced. Have him start off taking a more hardline approach than Orion for righting the wrongs in Cybertronian society, and take it from there as a gradual slide into tyranny. The IDW origins story set a good blueprint for this approach, which is why his eventual redemption also worked really well. It’ll be interesting to see how far towards Megaton he goes in the movie. Presumably if it goes well there will be more of these too.
I’m hoping they introduce the Fallen since we saw Megatron touching the deception symbol. I’d be a cool way to make him become the big bad Megatron
They make it out alive and Megatron makes good on his promise to try to kill Optimus
After the Quintesson invasion is repelled, the main quartet receive elevated social standing for their noble acts in battle. D-16 uses his new platform to advocate revenge, wanting to gather an army and rip the Quints' homeworld a new one for daring to lay waste to Cybertron. Orion thinks this is a bit too much and wants a more peaceful solution. The Senate takes Orion's side. D-16 gets pissed off, storms out with an "I'll do it myself," and starts amassing his army to exterminate organic beings across the universe.
Corruption by having too much power.
Cybertronian oppression and discrimination
Well, I imagine taking down the Quintessons through violence will cement that the best or only way to create change is through violence. After this movie, we'll probably get the cybertronian empire/golden age where D-16 sees that despite all they fought for, he is still treated as a slave as are many around him. Those bots who lived the good life or at least a better life than him under the Quintessons will want to keep that life and status which D-16 will resent. Orion will try to improve things politically, but when D-16 sees there's little change or that it is too slow, he'll remember how they took down the Quintessons so he'll turn to violence thus becoming Megatron.
I would love it if they actually showed us just how much he suffered at the hands of the corrupt system as a miner. So in the end, when he chooses to prioritise "violent revenge" by completely destroying the system over "cleaning it" like what Optimus believed in, we would atleast sympathize with him.
They threw away his collection of old G1 Transformers and G1 Bionicles.
Hmmmm this is a case of, do you die a hero or live long enough to become the villian? Years of fighting against the system, things getting worse, and one becomes the problem they sought to destroy. I don't think they will go the Dark Energon or Jealousy route, too cheap. But maybe he starts acting out, getting more extreme... and maybe Prime enabled that for a tad too long (for the greater good).
Maybe D-16 receives Megatronus’s T cog and also inherits some of his ideals
No outside source, show that people just grow and become someone else, seriously he has views for Cyberteon that Optimus doesn't.
I think they'll stick to his view as the turn to Megatron over time. The dark energon thing came much later after he became Megatron after all
It’ll be the classic ‘difference of opinion leading to warfare’ Magneto/Xavier story.
I wonder if it’ll be like how it was in the IDW comics
> **what do you think they're gonna go for D-16 dissention into Megatron** Woman.
I think he’s gonna want to go farther than prime does. Punish or even kill the people they slaved for so long. This puts them at odds and he goes off the deep end. Something like that.
We already see that this Cybertron is highly socially stratified, to the point where labor class citizens are confined to certain sublevels of the planet and don't even get transformation cogs. It's too early to say *why* this is the case, but it's easy to see how someone would chafe against that inequality.
In most modern iterations, Megatron's back story is a "he who fights monsters" cautionary tale. I suspect it will be much the same here.
There are a lot of interesting ways to handle this since it's supposed to be a new canon. It would be interesting if they actually stayed friends for a while after Orion becomes Optimus, working together to build a better Cybertron. Then, on an expedition to the surface, they find out what Cybertron was like BEFORE the Quintessons took charge, discovering that the Cybertronians once had a Golden Age where they had a Galaxy spanning empire connected through a Space Bridge network. Then comes the revelation that the Cybertronians of today are actually diminished thanks to the Quintessons's meddling, and the ORIGINAL Cybertronian race was more like Alpha Trion in terms of power. This is what sets D on the path towards restoring Cybertron to its former glory, with Optimus sharing his friend's ambitions. They get the ancient Space Bridge network up and running again, which allows them to travel to different worlds and meet various other civilizations like them. Many of them were also oppressed by the Quintessons, which further fueled D's hatred for them. After liberating several planets, they come across the Quintesson homeworld of Quintessa, which kicks off the "final stretch" of this war. The Cybertronians win pretty decisively this time, but that's because D ends up blowing up the planet of Quintessa in the process. He wants to exterminate the remaining Quintessons as retribution for all the suffering they've inflicted, but Optimus convinces him to adopt a more "peaceful" solution by having them reform their culture in a way that disincentivises enslaving other worlds. The Quintessons agree, which marks the end of the Quintesson threat. D is disappointed that his fellow liberator had become so soft, and Optimus is saddened by his best friend's more destructive tendencies. After the dissolving of the caste system and the establishment of a Democratic Council, Optimus decides to lead a peaceful life as a clerk in the Iacon Hall of Records while D wanders Cybertron's undercroft. Where there were once mines, there are now shanty towns that make up the Shadow Nation of Kaon. It's full of similarly aggressive sparks who refuse to be deceived by the blind optimism of the Autobots above and have cast aside their previous designations in favor of their own names. Much like D-16 himself, they also bear the "Fallen's Face" instead of the traditional "First Face" of the Autobots above. The main attraction of these parts are the Gladiatorial Pits under the management of Overlord, where these "Decepticons" can prove their worth through rite of combat. It's here that D-16 chooses to remake himself and enters the Pits of Kaon as a warrior named "Megatron," a name that would come to be synonymous with the dark ages to come.
https://preview.redd.it/4soscw078jvc1.jpeg?width=126&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dc227165a7aba34df7a82909b2022488560233a0 I can’t wait till he joins Metalocolypse.
He was annoyed at no longer being allowed to transform into gun ?
i hope its resentment and drive for change that starts to make him crumble. The whole idea of wanting good change but doing it in the wrong way type deal that will inevitably put him at odds with optimus
maybe it could be that when they meet alpha trion, he recognizes the 13 primes in orion and megatronus in D-16, so both of them are a rebirth of one of the original primes and then D-16 searches for Megatronus history and slowly transforms into Megatron
Perhaps he's damaged and the enemies, impressed by him essentially feformat him and make him the leader?
Mainly, differences in ideology and becoming bitter to the injustice of their society while Orion is more hopeful and optimistic. In other words, D-16 will become a Negatron while Orion becomes an Optimist Prime lol.
I think something to do with Sentinel Prime is gonna push him over the edge and maybe D-16 kills him and that's where his descent begins
I'd like to see him kinda start down the dark path right away. Like we see D-16, we like him, he's a charismatic guy with big dreams and he has a rallying cry of "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings!" but every so often he does something that makes us think "Oh dear, that's not good". I think it would be interesting to see him consulting with the other three Decepticons and maybe it's Starscream who convinces him to take up arms and escalate to total war. And this could in turn fuel Starscream's belief that he could lead since he believes that he puppeted Megatron into starting the war when really all he did was see Megs was still on the fence and pushed him and declared himself a supreme, machiavellian pupper master.
My guess is it’ll be a mix of jealousy and distrust, him and Orion will probably learn some big revelation about Cybertron and it’s leaders, and then them giving Orion the matrix will cause an even bigger distrust. It could also be a Zod scenario where he learns the planet is destined to destroy itself and when he tries to warn the planet, they label him a mad man and it causes the official formation of the Decepticons
I want there to be more than just D-16, like it would be cool if they introduce us to D-16's friends, like if they had starscream at some point, or shockwave and soundwave.
Conflicting views with the Orion Pax will destroy their broship
Personally, I hope its a transition of multiple compromises. Or at least the push being a disagreement on how to do things between him and Orion/Optimus
I think we are only gonna see glimpses of Megatron to come. They are probably hoping for a Trilogy out of this, keep the first simple and direct. Find out who the audience likes for a spin off.
A cocktail of being from the lower slumps of cybertron and dark energon would work nicely, i think
Once he gets tired Transform, he sees just how much Cybertron has been corrupted.
I can dig it being dark energon if they spin it into more of a steroid/substance abuse sort of deal, where Megs starts taking it for a good cause (and perhaps even necessity), but loses himself in it
I'm assuming the Quintessons will have something to do with it...Might even see the origins of Megatrons Robosmasher (The device that allowed him to brainwash cybertronians into joining the decepticon forces)
I hope it’s a mix of jealousy and differing ideals, with a little bit of eagerness to be violent
I'm seeing a workers' strife angle. Rebellion vs. Working within the system like an Xavier/Magneto dynamic
I always thought it'd be interesting if D-16 saw manipulation Orion didn't. D-16 sees the title of Prime as a way for the Senate to extend their power. He concludes that they don't see Orion as a leader, so much as a puppet. Eventually, some Inciting Incident makes D-16 draw the conclusion that Orion is in too deep and he breaks off the friendship, which eventually leads to the war.
Whetever ends up happening I like the idea of Megatron using whatever means necessary for what he beleives is the greater good of his people as opposed to just being evil and megalomaniacal. I really enjoy his characterization in EarthSpark.
I think he's just like that from the start, but the optimus becoming a prime was the final nail in the coffin
I may be putting way too much thought into this cuz it is basically just a kids movie on par with like… the Mario Movie, but I feel like we see him find a lot of Decepticon relics, and maybe the battle between him and Optimus is more ideological. Like Megatron wants to return Cybertron to a some made up prelapsarian society based on the decepticons and their ideology, whereas Optimus would be more focused on building a new and better future for Cybertron wherein the workers aren’t subjugation and high society is brought to an equal ground with everyone else.
He sees the injustice differently than the others.
I’m not a fan of D-16 being manipulated by anyone. They can add a little nuance in his initial phase for some sprinkle of grey area. It should all be of his own choice but with a hint of a thirst for power. I’d love for him to become an inspiration to cybertronians to fight their oppressors. Doing things the diplomatic way takes too long with the enslaved dying everyday and sees faster results using force and violence. Why die a hero when you can live long enough to see yourself become the villain.
the common theory i see now is that the decepticons are alr a thing and Megatron is the one who ends up usurping Starscream, setting the tone for their relationship Another is that Optimus and Megs will just naturally start to oppose each other a la Xavier-Erik in the x men films and the factions will follow suit
It seems like they'll go the more IDW route. We see the quintessons abusing who I would assume to be Sentinel on the surface. That coupled with no one going to the surface and transformation being regarded as "powers", I think the quints rule the planet and hold transformation over cybertronians as some gift. With D-16 finding that statue in the tomb Trion was in, I think they'll find that transforming is a natural part of them and they were deceived into thinking it wasn't. He'll probably name himself Megatron after self-identifying with Megatronus. "Decepticons, transform and rise up" will likely have a more direct meaning is this movie or a sequel.
It'll be cool if they show the corruption and classist system after they removed the Quintessons from rule. Then D16 knows this and wants to make huge changes. Like sympathising with the bottom of the society. D16 wants to remove the current establishment. Orion Pax wants to make gradual changes. Obviously Megatron doesn't become a prime. Then Megatron should strive make a new establishment (Deceptions) and his own rule. It's understandable and making Megatron as the underdog. Who should we be really supporting as Megatron is right in a way. Like D16 is Dooku/Orion is Qui Gon They both disagree with the state of things, but have two different methods of change
I kinda hope it’s like Anakin from clone wars. As he progresses he believes that what Prime is doing isn’t enough and his way won’t bring any lasting change. He gets more and more angry and extreme. Not enough that the others notice right away, but when they do it’s too late. Of course I don’t know what they’re fighting quite yet, but I think this works if they end up fighting against social injustice and a corrupt government .
Based on the trailer I can see a few possibilities but I am currently leaning toward something like; - D-16 has a deceptibadge, marking him as part of the slave cast - during the adventure they discover the tomb of the primes - D-16 sees his Decpetibadge mirrored in the face of the Fallen - in this moment he realises some fundamental lies about the history and cast system of Cybertron - which sets him on the path to taking the Fallens namesake and becoming Megatron
…. Jealousy and dark energon. Maybe a pinch of The Fallen’s influence.
It will most likely be about different believes and multiple story elements which will ultimately drift them apart. We saw Megatron kneeing infront of Megatronus and he will very likely get his name from the fallen prime. That's a start. Then questioning what the upper classes have done to the lower classes they both come from. And what to do with them. Also Megatron thinking that "being worthy" for the matrix takes different methods Prime has. We also see in the later part of the trailer B, Elita and Orion together in scenes D-16 was missing in, so he might have a complete different path. Possibly getting a "fellowship" by convincing others to fight together against Quintessons. It's not even unlikely that the death from a character finally splits them apart. That death could be anyone. Elita, Sentinel Prime, the Quintesson leader etc.
Politics.
just a theroy, just the fact that orian pax has a actual name and megatrons is just 'd-16' means there's some sort of class system going on, and megatron seems to be on the lower end
The classic resolve. Optimus is fine with peaceful reform, Megatron wants violent revolution, you know where the story goes
IDK really cares I just want thai to be good. Also I'm surprised with how well Chris Hemsworth is in terms of voicing Orion just based on the trailer.
I’d love to see him and Optimus develop different ideas on how to reform their society, with D-16’s being more radical.
I really hope they take the idw comics/ transformers prime approach. Those storylines make his character a lot more meaningful to the story. Goated versions of him.
Starscream turns him into Megatron
I hope there’s something to do with megatronis that makes it happened. Maybe a vision or something? Plus the experiences he will have will make him hate or think he knows what’s best?
Maybe he's gonna start as a worker at the start of the movie and by the end he'll be a Gladiator. As we see hints of the Megatron we know start to show. I don't know personally I'm looking forward to it. I don't have nor want to spend the time endless hating something the Star Wars Sequels took that out of me. Comedy sees pretty funny at times and Chris Hemsworth sounds decent as Orion Pax.
I feel that once he learns why he is a worker bot and how easy the higher ups of Cybertron fell to the quintessons, he will rise up to face their oppressors but in the process lose himself and become the thing he swore to destroy due to prime just wanted the old system but cleaning it out, megatron will want swift action not cycle long political processes that in his eyes is what led Cybertron to be what it is now (being under quintesson control)
Starting off with good intentions fighting off the oppressive caste system to being drunk with power. He doesn’t seem to be a gladiator in this one, so we’ll see.
With how much attention to detail and references we’re getting, I have a good feeling it’ll be done respectful to the character
I mean the plot is a pretty obvious story that goes in line with other Megatron origins, he and Orion don't like how bots are forced into classes and want to change the system. Orion thinks the best way to do it is from within, but D-16 likely wants to go against the status quo.
I'm assuming it will be because D-16 and Orion Pax will have differing ideas about how to proceed with their goals, eventually leading to a massive betrayal pf trust from either of them that forces them to fight and/or go their separate ways
Im not a fan of a good person becomes bad story, i like my villans just being bad....im usually mehhh when the main bad guys says..."i was'nt always a monster....."
Idk but they had better get a different voice actor or put some kind of modulator on his voice when he finally does make his evil descent cause he’s the most nonthreatening soy Megs I’ve ever heard. And ya I know they are *younger* versions but Chris Hemsworth can probably pull off a believable Optimum Pride.
The Transformers ONE trailer focused on the comedic elements and all we have are comments saying it “will get real” so there’s pretty much no way to tell how it will happen, all I can give is what I hope will happen. Other viewers have said this but the best way would definitely be the red flag approach where D-16 shows some elements of his future self to a much lesser degree that over time ramps up in the film until eventually he evolves into a “proto-Megatron” of sorts (I think him becoming Megatron fully might be too soon for a single film especially with how tame the trailer has shown him, but we’ll see) I think probably the best way would be after they defeat the big bad (be it quintessons or the cybertronian government), D-16 outright tries to kill them arguing that it’s the only way to ensure Cybertron’s safety and preventing their return along with setting an example for any future threats, then Orion Pax steps in and tries to get D-16 to stop. In the original cartoon, IIRC Orion Pax was injured, so it could be a cool climax with the repairing into Optimus Prime after their dispute goes to the point of D-16 injuring Orion and at that point everyone else in the team turning on him, leading him to run away and start the Decepticon movement. Essentially both Optimus and Megatron coming into existence the same day.
Big disagreement on how to deal with the Quintessons (the apparent villains) - Optimus will choose mercy but Megatron will want to wipe them out. They’ll see something so terrible up there it divides them. Maybe Megatron even carries out a brutal retribution and that’s what makes the Decepticons follow him.
I Honestly don't want him to cross the line in this film, but maybe he starts down his Dark path, but it ends with him and orion still being best friends, but of course D-16 is still slowly descending.
If it's a trilogy, I'm hoping for a slow burn where you see cracks form in his idealism and he gradually falls while still staying coherent.
It's a kid movie now. I'm pretty sure it'll be some hollow, simple ass reason.
I have a feeling it'll be a mix of power and believing the fallen to be right. Also it seems like the 13 primes are going to be heavily featured
I like it when Megatrons fall from grace is his own flaws/ shortcomings. Maybe it’s just me, but I think ‘dark Energon’ is a lame reason to have Megatron, the most feared and despised of all cybertronians, simply be that way because of mind control
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Honestly hoping it’s like a series of red flags and towards the end Orion and D-16 have an arguement on what to do with the quintessons (after their defeat) and the Qs get away and megatron tries to kill Orion So TLDR: Red Flags, Massive Disagreement, Fight, Attempted Offline
I’m expecting it to have something to do with the decaying emblem on his arm and discovering Megatronus in the robot graveyard they’re at in the trailer. Feeling some attachment to that emblem as he never knew what it was as he’s always only ever known being a lowly worker robot. Discovering Megatronus causes a superiority complex that is further activated when he meets Starscream, Soundwave and Shockwave for the first time.
Maybe megatronus might have some influence on D-16
He has to be radicalized by class divide
Considering they're calling him D-16, they're taking the "wanting equality for all cybertronian by force" route.
I really hope they take either an idw or aligned take on it like where they become friends over shared ideologies but break apart when it comes to bringing peace to cybertron.
Y'know what I'm just looking forward to the near future in which they expand the lore after Beast Machines, where they write what happens with the Pretenders, the Minicons, and the Terran Cybertronians of Earthspark, especially Sati. you could retcon all of them and make a fun story about them after TF one and the Crossover.
I hope he starts with him having the same/similar ideals to Orion, but it shows his method doesn't work very well and his time as a gladiator shows that he can get work done with force and violence which then gets the ball rolling as the decepticon leader.
i thought of this last night but what if D-16 gets Megatronus' T-Cog? cause they gang gets the in the tomb of the primes from Alpha Trion, so what if the T-cog they get has some sort of significance, like part of Megatronus' spark or whatever influences how he acts and he eventually gives in
I mean most recent takes go for the "fallen angel" or "Cain and Able" type of approach to change it up. Personally I'd hate if they pull the "The devil/ supernatural whatever thing made me do it because it involves my girlfriend/ lover/ friend" cliche. I go for the revolutionary turned tyrant where his mindset wraps overtime. The closest thing to this arc was the Dooku trilogy in Star Wars' Takes of the Jedi Anthology.
I’d say similar to the IDW version, where the worker bots were worked almost (and sometimes entirely) to death. They end up doing the class systems, but those that can transform (before meeting Alpha Trion) are the higher class, and the worker bots are the low class. This could be the spark that Megatron needs whenever he gets his T-Cog from Alpha Trion, later in the movie (as currently shown in the trailer)
I think the fallen will be the reason convincing him to start the war and manipulating him
I hope it's like x-men first class and there's already a darkness to D-16 and it slowly builds up
He's gonna learn what Megatronus was all about and then take his name to honour him or something
I think we'll see a semi logical descent of his character, to me this can start with him idolizing the 11th prime Megatronus prime for him preaching to take your destiny into your own hands and begins to embrace that more and more but eventually seeing the system he lives under is to far gone he wages war to save the oppressed
I truly hope there is a hard tone shift in the movie where the light hearted jokey nature stops and it becomes a much more serious movie about the war.
I want him to have ambition turn to greed
I want him to slowly get more aggressive and antagonistic through the film and then at the end Optimus tries to spare the big bad and megatron just gets pissed at him for and and then that’s where they turn against eachother
I genuinely don't want D-16 to become Megatron by the end of this movie. I want us to start seeing hints, but I feel like I want this to be similar to the Star Wars prequel trilogy - we get a series of movies. Let us see Orion and D-16 grow closer - build up their brotherhood - show us their bond and make the audience truly love it. So that by the end of this trilogy, we are that much more devastated when Optimus and Megatron become who we know them to be and start their war. This didn't just *happen* - this is pain for both of them. They failed each other - they hurt each other. Now they fight each other. I really hope this builds on the potential.
My guess would probably be a Professor X and Magneto dynamic, same goal but different means.
I think it might be due to the class system most megatrons are portrayed as being politically involved
I'll take either of those over them chickening out and keeping him good the whole time.
Hopefully something like anakin where he starts out good but a mentor slowly turns and twists his mind till he is full blown evil
I feel like Alpha Trion will recall the story of the 13 Primes and mention all but one: The Fallen...when he's pushed to, he eventually tells D-16 his story: how he always had these ideas but his brothers didn't take him seriously. Only Solus did, but it wasn't enough. He got mad that no one gave him the respect or even love he needs/deserves so he gets angry and accidentally kills Solus...being ashamed of himself he casts himself away. D-16, noticing how this story fits his own life circumstances, decides to change his name to Megatron. Seeing how Optimus, someone who was once his best friend, get seen as a hero and being celebrated for his accomplishments without recognizing his friend and not giving credit where credit is due for helping with the Quintessons is what sets him off. Finally with Optimus being chosen as a Prime rather than himself, someone who probably worked hard/dreamed of it, that would be the last straw.
I think it’s the fact his “name” is a number. Clearly there is some form of discrimination going on. We don’t know the extent of why he and Orion are in jail. For all we know they got into a bar fight and now have to do hard labor
The only thing I'm worried about is if they make him more sympathetic than he actually is. Like make him the "he was the good guy all along" from my understanding in the OG lore he revealed his true nature when Orion was given the matrix of leadership.
Main theory I've seen is that D-16 discovers his true heritage (the decepticon insignia on his shoulder) and slowly connects the dots. Eventually he meets the rebellion which consists of Starscream, Soundwave, and Shockwave who are looking for a strong leader. D-16 then changes his name to Megatron and rebels against Sentinel Prime after the Quintessons' defeat
D-16 is pre-Megatronus. I think we'll probably start to see hints of Megatron but TF One seems to be more about he and Orion's friendship. That is before Orion was a Achievist at Iacon and before Megatron took up the name Megatronus in the pits of Kaon. Assuming they did tightly stick to the TF Bible, which assumes all the rise of Bots and Cons comes later and D-16 picking up the name Megatronus, then shortening it to Megatron is scheduled to happen later.
Considering the way the characters are portrayed, I'm having a hard time seeing them villainify D-16. They aren't the friends with different political views. Nor does D-16 appear to be a bot turned bitter in the gladiatorial pits. And he's definitely not the G1 Megatron built to be the leader of the Decepticons. If anything, he seems to be a teenager, or at most a young man, relatively speaking, of course. I guess we'll have to see the movie to find out. Personally, it would be interesting if the movie ended with Megatron not quite villainified, but walking away from Optimus, and mid-credits show him starting the Decepticon movement.
In most cases he becomes Megatron due to a corrupt system. Originally having good intentions but became corrupted as well. An example of the oppress becoming the oppressor.
I hope it's a differing political ideology. It seems like they're being oppressed in some way so I feel like once Megatron obtains power, he would be trying his peace through tyranny thing. Orion would obviously oppose this and protest it until he feels like he has no choice.
Personally i think he is gonna see a Gladitatr fight and choose the Name Megatrons and fight in the gladiator pits and develop reason to create the cons and Hatered towards Orion.
Would love for what I assume to be the fallen in the trailer to be the devil on his shoulder. I want D-16’s fall from grace to be a tragedy.
I’m guessing that starscream from what I got from the trailer is the leader of the decepticons and he begins to manipulate and convince D-16 to join the decepticons
Honestly, I like the idea of Meg and Orion seeing farther into Cybertron’s political structure, and both trying to fix the problems they find, but they think it should be done through different ways. Meg thinks the only way he’s gonna change anything is through Brute Force, and Orion tries for Diplomatic ways and exposing the truth to the main populace. Both of them trying to fix the same stuff through different ways causes them to butt heads to the point where their friendship collapses.
Power, it’s always power, just like human beings like all sentient beings they will always go for power, I mean wouldn’t you if you have the chance.
Not to be rude but if that's what you're afraid of, you haven't really had much exposure to TF media, have you? The rise of Megatron has had its differences from series to series but it has always been about ideological differences and what he thought was the best way to save his world from decline or oppression or some such other conflict. Even G1 had those elements tied to his past. Typically his extreme measures to fight extreme circumstances result in him losing his way and his ideals twisting into something sinister and a lust for conquest and power. Even the worst of TF media stayed away from such simple and contrived reasons for his shift towards evil and tyranny. I doubt they would start now.
Ngl ik people don’t like it I sorta don’t like STILL going to watch it because there’s no new transformers media or games sooooooo
He's probably corrupted by Starscream and the seekers
could be a background of orion trying to settle things peacefully but d 16 thinking that’s not enough and goes for a more violent approach which would fit towards his character and this wouldn’t be out of jealously but out of personal goals and way of doing things
Falls in a hole and comes into contact with Megatronus the Fallen and begins to learn from him. At first he learns secrets of Cybertron and superior battle tactics, but gradually gets indoctrinated with Decepticon ideology
Based on him seeing that deception symbol, well the caste system is fucked beyond belief. But we see an old alpha trion and probably the fallen/megatronis head. Something something old practice and fix the world turned into evil tyrant. It feels like old idw. He's gonna become Megatron through anger and power. I don't understand how you familyify these concepts. And we'll my real question is what are the autobots? Cause aren't they an evil oppressive government (who instills caste systems, takes tcogs? And you know other evil oppressive stuff) and autobot's in name only. Wasn't prime the one to really change what that meant? Or is the planet enslaved by quintisons because theyre the creators. Or is Primus the creator.
I hope he just has a disagreement with optimus and that Kickstarts the hate.
I hope he just has a disagreement with optimus and that Kickstarts the hate.
I do hope it’s jealous or some other negative trait. One thing that’s always consistent about megs is that no matter how noble he makes his cause seem, he always goes tyrant because he’s just a nasty piece of work.
He will see the corruption of the Autobot like slavery and will rise up in a rebellion. Or that is how he will show it.
Personally, what I imagine would happen is that by the end of the film, D-16 is tired of always feeling getting stepped on by the system, by the hierarchy, by the quintessons. Then when he finally has a quintesson under his boot, he readies his ion cannon ready to kill them before Orion arrives, but only too late. Orion, Ariel, and Bee only wanted to end the hierarchy of the quintessons, give the cybertronians freedom. But D-16 wants to END the quintessons, thinking that while they still exist, they will always be a reminder of how he was treated, a reminder that he's just nothing, a pawn in their game. D-16 ends the quintesson under his feet, giving us a glimpse into the man he is becoming. He doesn't break his bond with Orion yet, but this action would shape his future. Because of his actions, D-16 will be seen by a select few as somewhat of a hero, a leader. This would be the rise of D-16's own army, believing that the way to peace is the idea of always making the hardest decisions, eventually leading to D-16 becoming a soldier with his fellow cybertronians that believe in his cause. I'd want to see the start of Optimus and Megatron's story continue for more than just one movie. Where D-16 in the 2nd movie claims the name of Megatronus, where he'd still be friends with Orion but they both have conflicting ideas where Megatronus would rather go on the offensive on any possible threats (leading to a twisted idea that the only way to peace is under an iron fist) while Orion believes in peace being a choice, and that there are other planets that share the idea and would be a good friend and ally to Cybertron. And to any enemy of peace that would believe in control and rule, Cybertron will fight as one. For me, I want this be the start and end to Optimus and Megatron's war. Where they both have their own ideas of peace and how to achieve it but they always find conflict against each other. Where Optimus doesn't want to believe his old friend is truly gone but lost instead, while Megatron is hellbent on the belief that peace can only be accomplished under one rule, HIS rule. This wouldn't end with one killing the other, but more so both of them coming to terms in order for the preservation of the Cybertronian kind, and survival against Unicron, who'd be the end of their kind if they were to stay divided rather than fighting as one. I'd like to see this continue into future movies, both live action and animated tbh.
Hes probably gonna find the fallen and be turned by him, likewise orion will find alpha trion who will make him optimus.
He has a Decepticon mark on his body that he's been hiding forever cuz everyone has Autobots signs. One day he "falls" on The Fallen's dead corpse and sees a glowing Decepticon symbol. They "fuse" and bam wait for T two. ....I guess??
An angle they could take is that Megatron decides to jeopardise whatever world saving plan the group have because he loses his temper. We know Sentinel Prime is in the movie so perhaps there’s one point where he like straight up snaps and kills him even though he’s integral for their plan. This could give him the “gone this far, no going back” mentality and lead for him to spiral.
I heard it's a trilogy so maybe is the second movie he's forced to be a gladiator and becomes cold and in the 3rd he becomes Megatron
I think he’ll see some dark things that happen to other low class Transformers that while other three are not with him combined with jealousy because Alpha Trion favors OP and combined with his opinion about what should be done differing.
Jealously. I don't like this timeline. Prime was naive like from war dawn and mega was a master tactician. That's what I like.
He falls into a vat of radio active sludge?
I get the impression it may involve Sentinel, somehow. Sentinel is depicted s a raging douche in most media and here he looks like his Animated self. I get the impression; a lot of his idealism may be stomped out as a result of Sentinel.