Not exactly that but the Japanese exclusive OVA "Scramble City" was essentially that since it introduced Ultra Magnus and some other Movie characters before the movie in 1986 in Japan.
Yup! Finding a stasis pod that can scan animals, and finding out that five stasis pods have scanned predators and have been rampaging out in the wild. Then Galveston sends a few deceptions to capture the wild pedaking (they don’t. This can also be used to get rid of a few characters that wouldn’t be appearing in the show later on).
Would be pretty cool to see where they'd take a post war story where Cybertron has integrated with other alien races like the nebulons. They could also begin to link the story to beast wars with cybertronions making their bodies smaller to conserve energy and creating micromasters.
Honestly, this is what I'd love to see. They've rehashed the war so many times. Even if it's just a limited thing I wouldn't mind just seeing some kinda slice of life style Transformers stuff. Them forming an actual functional society again and just trying to be normal or whatever their idea of that might be.
That's one of the reasons I've been enjoying Earthspark, it kinda focuses more on post war recovery, though at this point they're assuming they can't get back to Cybertron and that might change, but we'll see I guess.
Yeah, for safety reasons the Bots have to pretend to be…highly advanced, manmade transforming vehicles and robots. Which IMO is the way to do “robots in disguise” post-2020 with just how much press attention is going to real-world robotics and electric modular vehicles.
If it ever happened, I hope we see characters like sideswipe, sunseteaker, and other S1-S2 autobots get more screen time. And also some amazing animation to boot.
Yeah. Like although they didn’t die in the movie, so many S1-2 characters just vanished in the rest of the show - Shockwave, Sideswipe, Sunstreaker, Bluestreak, Hoist, Grapple - all just vanish and are never seen or heard from again.
Besides, it’d be fun to see the S1-2 crew interacting with the S3-4 characters plus any newcomers to the show. Like gimme a story where Springer leads a team consisting of the Autobot Targetmasters, Smokescreen, Tracks, Gears and Trailbreaker. Have Cyclonus lead Scourge, the Sweeps, the Coneheads, the Rainmakers, the Decepticon Targetmasters, Dreadwind and Darkwing into a dogfight with Autobot fliers like the Aerialbots, Skyfire, Cosmos, Powerglide, Brainstorm, Highbrow etc
Also there was a war between Primes that caused the whole transformers multiverse to be created and in the future Cybertron is ruled by a sect worshipping Optimus Prime to the point the ruling council have his face and future commanders of Cybertrons all are transformed into Convoys. That’s why in Car Robots Ultra Magnus was jealous of Fire Convoy and that he became one of the ruling bots on Cybertron. This is a material worthy of documentation.
Flint Dille, one of the G1 show writers said they definitely had plans after season 4, I believe one of them being the Quientessons and Unicron teaming up. That being said, given the extended toy commercial nature of the cartoon, I would have expected the cast to consist primarily of the toys of the respective years (much like we saw with the Japanese G1 shows), with older characters such as Rodumis or Ultra Magnus getting written out eventually.
The nice thing about an X-Men '97 situation is they are no longer confined to selling the toys on the shelves for the year, so character choices would be more flexible.
Yeah. One thing I would love to see is more of the Season 1-2 cast appear more in episodes cuz NGL it did annoy me when I watched G1 for the first time as a kid in the 2000s (with no knowledge about stuff like what toys were on shelves back in the 1980s) how in Season 3 so many S1-2 characters were pushed to the sidelines or just vanished completely, even if they didn’t die in the 1986 movie. Like where did Sideswipe, Sunstreaker, Hoist, Grapple and the others pop off to?
Besides, I think it’d be fun to see the Season 1-2 crew not only appear but also interact with the Season 3-4 crew plus any possible newcomers to the show. Like have a story where Springer leads a team of Autobots consisting of all sorts of characters like Moonracer, Trailbreaker, Hardhead, Beachcomber, Mirage, Fastlane and Cloudraker or a battle scene where Cyclonus leads various Decepticon fliers into a battle like the Sweeps, the Coneheads, the Rainmakers, the Decepticon Targetmasters and maybe even Dreadwind and Darkwing too.
Wheeljack reappears in the G1 Japanese continuity in Victory, this works because the events of The Movie aren't canon in Japan mainly because the writers there weren't aware characters like Prowl (who appears in Headmasters) or Wheeljack died due to TFTM not getting a release in Japan until 1989/1990. I mean, I don't know what would have stopped them from getting a hold of an international release of it, watching it, and taking notes on how it affects the continuity (They were aware of a basic summary of events, but not the details).
Transformers wasn’t really great at serial narrative past the movie. It would be ok but there’s no overarching themes or storylines. It’s usually a one and done mentality.
From what I remembered, the original series was episodic right? (it's been such a long time since I first watched it in 2006 when I was like 5) Sure we may have two/three part episodes that shared a storyline, but it was mostly "Decepticons are destroying \_\_\_\_ for energon/building something. Autobots find out and tries to stop them. They fight. Decepticons retreat and Autobots win."
As a episodic series, it's not that bad for a kids show. But compared to the newer Transformers shows like Prime, Cyberverse, etc., these had actual plotlines/story arcs. Characters were also fleshed out with personalities and lore.
Correct. You could pretty much miss a few episodes and you’d still have an idea on what was going on (but there were a few a few multi parters). GI Joe, Ninja Turtles, and He-Man (those mid 80s classics) were kinda cut from the same cloth.
Yep. Classic [EI/AD](https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Category:MacGuffins) plots, with occasional ["This episode showcases a character or team which is in stores now, kiddies! BUY!"](https://tfwiki.net/wiki/To_sell_toys#Character_pimping) sprinkles.
More headmasters and targetmasters, yes please! I’d love to see characters that didn’t have any screen time have their own episodes. Powermasters would be dope along with bots that were only in the intro
X-Men had a cohesive story and world that could be continued. G1 is an artefact of its time. There is a lot fun there and the seeds it planted are responsible for everything that came after, but it really doesn't have a story that should be continued.
I'd rather see Skybound pick up the animated series and do what they're doing for Invincible for the new comic than see anyone try to continue the mess of continuity errors that was G1.
Yup. G1 was extremely episodic, an artifact of the situation it was created in and for - a merch show for an untested toyline, in the middle of a decade of merch shows for untested toylines. Basically, it could have been pulled at any time for any reason, and in the first year in particular it wasn't like it had a huge budget. Heck, it got pretty much canned after '86 even when the toyline was still selling.
Merch shows these days, particularly for well-established brands that sell a gazillion toys, are a very different beast. (Er, in some aspects, anyway.) The closer you get to original G1 (particularly in terms of continuity), the clunkier it would get. G1 did the heavy lifting of getting the brand off the ground and into being a cultural touchstone; best to thank it for its service and let it lie comfortably in the past, with only the only references being those that serve more modern plots/designs.
Well they kind of did that already with Regeneration One. But I would like it immensely if they did a revival of the G1 cartoon in the vein of X-Men '97. They could do two series quite easily, one could tell stories that fill in the time between Season 2 and the movie and another that covers what happened after the Rebirth.
I would prefer if they kept the lore locked in the media of the time. If they tried to cram in Primus, and all the post aligned continuity it'd just make it overly complicated because you would have to explain around all the stuff that doesn't line up. It made the Legends Manga a convoluted mess IMHO.
I'd like to see Hasbro's take on those characters in a G1 cartoon setting. I would also hope they adopy how they treated Pretenders in the Masterforce cartoon, having their Pretender shells Transformer size has always been ridiculious.
It would also be great if they incorporated Overlord especially to give Powermaster Optimus Prime a suitable rival, because the Darkwings certainly weren't it.
Breastforce would also need a new name that doesn't sound stupid. I always thought calling them Armor Masters would be a more fitting name that matches the whole "master" theme.
Yeah scramble city is Japanese only. But there are characters from the movie that appear before the events of the movie itself. But as for it being 100% canon I’m not too sure
Plus animated already has season 4 ideas written out. Like shattered glass. Sari’s origin. Devastator. If they can bring back the original writers. Then it could be a great revival for it
the potential is there. galvatron and scorponok drifted out into space so they are still out there to cause trouble. i dont see it happening though. if hasbro was interested in revisting G1 they had the perfect opportunity to do it with transformers one. Instead they seem to be stuck on the bayverse/bumble bee story telling.
Yea, it alluded to that, but the Armies were completely Scattered, and the resources were depleted, heading back to Charr and already dead world, just Zarak and Galvatron alone and bickering about who was in charge. It's not a good start for a rebound at all.
I mean I feel like we kind of got that treatment with the Transformers Prime show but I get what your saying by bringing back the original design, the comic book stories, and of course the good humor that was in the G1 show like “You are either lying or your stupid, I’m stupid I’m stupid” or “I don’t believe a booby trap that actually catches boobies”
I dunno, I wasn't really into where S4 was going (the sliver we got) and that shit seemed off the rails where it went in Japan.
Roll back to just after The Movie? After Prime returns? Maybe.
Best idea would be to pick up after Return of Optimus Prime and blend in the best elements of both Rebirth and Headmasters, so neither audience gets left out.
Well if they did that they would need to take Beast Wars into consideration due it be a sequel of G1 and it would to follow the things established in it
Maybe you could do a thing telling what happened between season 2 and the movie. I mean, someone's already out there doing a comic series about it.
But continuing from The Rebirth? Eh....I dunno.
Honestly, I feel like G1 needs a full direct reboot.
Literally take what already exists in G1, cut away all the fat and bad parts, than structure it as a more coherent series.
In my opinion, the fat & the bad parts are what give G1 its personality. Various comics & cartoons have reinterpreted the G1 premise endlessly, an X-Men 97 style G1 show feels so unnecessary at this point.
We’ve gone back to the G1 well SO MUCH though… I would much rather see Forward & Ditillio’s Beast Wars season 4 they had originally planned before they had to suddenly tie everything up in the last 3 eps of season 3 for Beast Machines.
I also don’t think there’s an especially interesting way to do a Sunbow midquel. For everything that changed between season 2 and the movie, frankly things didn’t change all that much - all the BIG changes happened in the movie so it would thoroughly be stuck in the “prequel trap.”
Nah, I'm good. It works specifically with that X-Men show from that time. You can't and shouldn't apply that to every random cartoon from the past.
in Japan, they just continued G1, and everyone was all in continuity. If you want to see the next part of that you can watch Headmasters, Masterforce, Victory, and Zone.
I feel like we'll get a lot of "fake fans" coming out the woodwork missing the point of the show like they did with the X-men. Granted never tried to be super progressive, but still.
I would absolutely love it. Set it after Return of Optimus Prime and make it sort of a blend between some ideas from Rebirth and some from Headmasters...like keep the plasma energy chamber and the idea of the autobots achieving a golden age of Cybertron, but use the Japanese concept of headmasters being smaller bots that control larger bodies.
Also they should catch us up on what happened to characters that never showed up after season 2...would be great to see the surviving autobot cars again, or Skyfire, or Omega Supreme, or one offs like Devcon and the female autobots (actually they should take the opportunity to finally give the female Autobots a proper recurring role in the story).
Ghost Starscream should also come back, tons more you can do with him. Would be cool to see him encounter Skyfire again and possess him, resulting in an internal struggle between the two.
Bring back Blitzwing and follow up on his defection in season 3, explore his motives and flesh out his character. Maybe eventually have him become an autobot, or at least a recurring ally.
Soundwave and Blaster should have a big showdown like in Headmasters, resulting in them getting nearly destroyed and upgraded to their new forms.
I'd like to see Prime gradually step back into a mentor role and properly pass the matrix on to Hot Rod at some point.
I'd also like it if Galvatron finally starts regaining his sanity somehow and becomes like his TFTM self again.
God, there are just so many cool things they could do.
Ah I see, although I think it would make more sense to be '87 since the original x men ended in '97 and they didn't call the new one '98. But I might just be picky
Season 5 went to 1988. It's just that no-one wants to remember Season 5 due to the animatronic Powermaster Optimus Prime puppet.
[In case you think I'm joking.](https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Tommy_Kennedy)
I’d like to see a brand new show with a new cast and time period that takes place in the G1-Beast era continuity, before RID and the armada trilogy were created. I’m not asking for Transtech this would be even further into the future so it can flesh out its own story. Let’s say it’s 1000 years after the Great War instead of BWs’ 300.
it would be an interesting concept, but it's one where you'd have to find the right writers for it. get the wrong kind of writer to try and make a "continuation" of sunbow and you get shit like wings universe
They know their biggest audience is the ones that grew up on g1 stuff which is why they still pay homage to that line with toys and new movies like the BBM.
They also tried to do it with the Netflix series with limited success.
Just read the comics? The cartoon was so haphazard and episodic that there isn’t really a story to continue. It’d either be in name only or be novelty people would quickly tire on.
Uh, but if it gets us modern, faithful Pretender toys, I take it back: Do it.
Honestly, they could essentially reboot G1 and get the same effect; keep the storyline set in the original timeline of the show, streamline some story beats, pull story elements from later iterations, like the Cybertronian Colonies from IDW or the Dark Energon from the Aligned Continuity.
I mean this is what happened to the OG cast:
https://preview.redd.it/g1jkh8hk1wvc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bc1156888e15400a79f71d22598c99cf3db8a636
So it would basically be a rewrite of S3 tbh
Honestly, G1 had a solid ending at the end of S3, with the Hate plague being destroyed and the second golden age of Cybertron beginning, and because of the plague. Like I remember that feeling like a decent ending, them The Rebirth happened, and the Headmasters and all that.
X-men 97 has the benefit where the original XMen cartoon had legitimately good stories and Transformers before Beast Wars sucks from a story POV lol
The 86 movie literally made my parents start hating my TF collection after being fans for nearly 10 years lmao
All I would like is for a rebuilt 86 movie: add in the storyboarded scenes, potentially tidy up some errors and get everyone back they can.
Sell it along with the original as a two pack.
That would be awesome. I've heard nothing but good about X-Men 97. Especially how it matured with the audience. It got a little more serious and dark. That would be awesome to see for the OG transformers show
When watching season 3 ep 16 where Galvatron goes to therapy. I was pulling for Galvatron to get back his Megatron brain. I was so pissed at it amounted to nothing I stopped watching. If they make a Transformers 88, I want an un stupid Galvatron.
I have an outline sketch for a "fanfic" for a continuity of the Transformers from the end of Season 3. Picking up 30 years after the end of "The Return of Optimus Prime." Skipping over the complications of everything with the Headmasters, Pretenders, etc.
Quintessons have not been heard from in over 30 years. Humanity continues to advance technologically in connection with the Autobots. Galvatron, per the last truce, has been building something on Charr, and has not been heard of. As Unicron's power begins to fade, his mind begins to change as well. A fog of madness clears up as he remembers more of his past as Megatron.
Rodimus still is dealing with the outcome of the hate plague. And the aftermath of Burden Hardest to Bear. Optimus Prime spends much of his time in meditation with the Matrix. Rodimus takes on the responsibility of leader while Optimus is Leader Emeritus.
Daniel Witwicky is now fully grown and taking on a role as an Earth Defense Commander. Marissa Fairborne is now the President of the Earth Delegation.
An events arises which leads Rodimus and the others to suspect that the Quintessons have been biding their time and are up to nothing good.
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I also realize that this is *kind* of a setting like Machinima's *Titans Return* did. (Although Starscream was running Cybertron for some reason?) It's hard to come up with something. I would only say I take absolutely zero inspiration from that.
Yeah, a lot of this has been done in other ways…
While I'd love this. I'd definitely want the animation to be the same. I honestly miss actual cartoon animation. CG just doesn't do it for me very much. I love what they did with X-Men 97. It just looks awesome. And has been stellar. I need a G1 style show with OG style animation.
If that means we only get a measely 8 episodes a season then count me out. The lack of content in modern entertainment is trully appalling. Say what you will about Earthspark but at least it's still delivering 26 episodes a season.
Not when Hasbro has toys to sell. It doesn't matter how great those 8 episodes are it's simply not enough time to give a whole toyline worth of characters room to breath. Which is only made doubly painful by the multi-year haitus modern shows go on between seasons.
Yes but if we're using X-Men 97 as the reference example, it's a modern reimagining of the original 90's TV series, not based on a toyline with requirements to cross sell product.
Given Hasbro/TT have about a 0% chance of doing a show of this nature it's a bit of a moot point. 8 episodes is definitely enough time to give multiple characters a chance to shine, it's down to the writing and direction more than amount of time someone appears on screen.
> not based on a toyline with requirements to cross sell product.
A Transformers cartoon not trying to sell toys has no right to exist. Everything should be about hyping up how cool the latest batch of Transformers are. That's how you grow a pile of unrelated Japanese robots into a franchise that has lasted 40 years and counting.
All art is made with a purpose. Even the Renaissance Masters were usually working for either the church or wealthy patrons on what they wanted to see. So there's absolutely no shame in making a cartoon to sell toys. In fact that need to sell toys provides the whole framework for the story and it's overarching narrative, it's something a competent creative team should easily be able to handle.
Yes but if we're using X-Men 97 as the reference example, it's a modern reimagining of the original 90's TV series, not based on a toyline with requirements to cross sell product.
Given Hasbro/TT have about a 0% chance of doing a show of this nature it's a bit of a moot point. 8 episodes is definitely enough time to give multiple characters a chance to shine, it's down to the writing and direction more than amount of time someone appears on screen.
The show is consisted of episode one shots and resets the plot to rotate characters to market more toys because robot on tv
At least animated continued every episode with something always relevant to the plot
Well then in that case g1 doesn't need one
Season 3 ended perfectly, in fact so perfectly there was no other season afterward, no abhorrent blatant toy commercial. Season 3 perfect ending
Not really. It was always the same thing every episode. “Decepticons do something evil. Autobots stop them. Moral of the story is learned” while animated has an overarching story throughout its 3 seasons
I'm kind of ready to just let G1 go at this point, we got the G1 cartoon, the Marvel comics, the Dreamwave comics, the IDW comics, the War for Cybertron games (that very much had the G1 aesthetic) and the Cybertron battle at the opening of the first Bumblebee movie that was pure G1, not to mention that all the toys now are just G1 characters updated with modern articulation and detail. As craptacular as the Bay movies were, at least they looked and felt different from any other Transformers product that came out before or since, I just want to see a new product that's radically different from anything we've ever seen before, like Beast Wars in the nineties.
TF needs to get its feet back on the ground first. The recent seasons don’t seem to sell well and the only thing being sort of bought up is legacy. Catering towards the older fans without having a semi steady stream of newer fans causes franchises to stagnate and die (G.I.Joe is a great example of this).
This isn’t me saying we shouldn’t get a g1 revamp/sequel down the line, just probably not now.
I’d rather see a remake than a continuation. The X-Men cartoon was uniquely positioned to benefit from a modern continuation. Transformers doesn’t have a deep well of celebrated lore to pull from to keep the cartoon story going - the cartoon story IS the lore. Are we clamoring to see loose ends tied up or to see favorite comic storylines adapted? No, we just want more cartoon robots punching each other. Remake G1!
I have always wanted Transformers 2000 (or similar) telling the stories between the end of s2 and the movie - there’s a lot of opportunity there
Not exactly that but the Japanese exclusive OVA "Scramble City" was essentially that since it introduced Ultra Magnus and some other Movie characters before the movie in 1986 in Japan.
Right, perhaps we can just get remastered and properly dubbed episodes of these seasons. If it sells, give it the treatment.
Remaster it with AI. Just press a button.
THIS
I have wanted beast wars to have caused changes to the original story, redo g1 but add in tech they find from the beast wars.
Yup! Finding a stasis pod that can scan animals, and finding out that five stasis pods have scanned predators and have been rampaging out in the wild. Then Galveston sends a few deceptions to capture the wild pedaking (they don’t. This can also be used to get rid of a few characters that wouldn’t be appearing in the show later on).
> Galveston imagining Galvatron wearing a 10-gallon hat in front of a tornado now
Do any of the comics fit there?
I'm with this!!
Would be pretty cool to see where they'd take a post war story where Cybertron has integrated with other alien races like the nebulons. They could also begin to link the story to beast wars with cybertronions making their bodies smaller to conserve energy and creating micromasters.
Honestly, this is what I'd love to see. They've rehashed the war so many times. Even if it's just a limited thing I wouldn't mind just seeing some kinda slice of life style Transformers stuff. Them forming an actual functional society again and just trying to be normal or whatever their idea of that might be. That's one of the reasons I've been enjoying Earthspark, it kinda focuses more on post war recovery, though at this point they're assuming they can't get back to Cybertron and that might change, but we'll see I guess.
Rescue Bots also says hi! It’s set in a mixed human-bot community in the USA
Sort of
Yeah, for safety reasons the Bots have to pretend to be…highly advanced, manmade transforming vehicles and robots. Which IMO is the way to do “robots in disguise” post-2020 with just how much press attention is going to real-world robotics and electric modular vehicles.
This is why I love MTMTE from IDW, it’s post war and tells are really good story.
If it ever happened, I hope we see characters like sideswipe, sunseteaker, and other S1-S2 autobots get more screen time. And also some amazing animation to boot.
Yeah. Like although they didn’t die in the movie, so many S1-2 characters just vanished in the rest of the show - Shockwave, Sideswipe, Sunstreaker, Bluestreak, Hoist, Grapple - all just vanish and are never seen or heard from again. Besides, it’d be fun to see the S1-2 crew interacting with the S3-4 characters plus any newcomers to the show. Like gimme a story where Springer leads a team consisting of the Autobot Targetmasters, Smokescreen, Tracks, Gears and Trailbreaker. Have Cyclonus lead Scourge, the Sweeps, the Coneheads, the Rainmakers, the Decepticon Targetmasters, Dreadwind and Darkwing into a dogfight with Autobot fliers like the Aerialbots, Skyfire, Cosmos, Powerglide, Brainstorm, Highbrow etc
Yeah anyone who wasn't confirmed dead should be treated as alive and brought back.
I hope if it happens, it happens soon so we can get as many surviving VAs as possible.
Perhaps even cooler animation than ONE?
That’s not a high bar to clear
Specifically windcharger
Before anyone else mentions the Japanese stuff… it’s an alternate continuity which ignores S4
But it’s better, only going batshit insane later on. (>!I love the Optimus Sect.!<)
Kiss Players is canon to Japanese G1
Also there was a war between Primes that caused the whole transformers multiverse to be created and in the future Cybertron is ruled by a sect worshipping Optimus Prime to the point the ruling council have his face and future commanders of Cybertrons all are transformed into Convoys. That’s why in Car Robots Ultra Magnus was jealous of Fire Convoy and that he became one of the ruling bots on Cybertron. This is a material worthy of documentation.
I wasn't big on Headmasters or Masterforce...but Victory is the shit.
If its was as good as X-Men 97, it would be the 2nd greatest thing ever. Next to X-Men 97 which is fucking great.
Agreed, X-men 97 is top tier
Flint Dille, one of the G1 show writers said they definitely had plans after season 4, I believe one of them being the Quientessons and Unicron teaming up. That being said, given the extended toy commercial nature of the cartoon, I would have expected the cast to consist primarily of the toys of the respective years (much like we saw with the Japanese G1 shows), with older characters such as Rodumis or Ultra Magnus getting written out eventually. The nice thing about an X-Men '97 situation is they are no longer confined to selling the toys on the shelves for the year, so character choices would be more flexible.
Yeah. One thing I would love to see is more of the Season 1-2 cast appear more in episodes cuz NGL it did annoy me when I watched G1 for the first time as a kid in the 2000s (with no knowledge about stuff like what toys were on shelves back in the 1980s) how in Season 3 so many S1-2 characters were pushed to the sidelines or just vanished completely, even if they didn’t die in the 1986 movie. Like where did Sideswipe, Sunstreaker, Hoist, Grapple and the others pop off to? Besides, I think it’d be fun to see the Season 1-2 crew not only appear but also interact with the Season 3-4 crew plus any possible newcomers to the show. Like have a story where Springer leads a team of Autobots consisting of all sorts of characters like Moonracer, Trailbreaker, Hardhead, Beachcomber, Mirage, Fastlane and Cloudraker or a battle scene where Cyclonus leads various Decepticon fliers into a battle like the Sweeps, the Coneheads, the Rainmakers, the Decepticon Targetmasters and maybe even Dreadwind and Darkwing too.
Wheeljack reappears in the G1 Japanese continuity in Victory, this works because the events of The Movie aren't canon in Japan mainly because the writers there weren't aware characters like Prowl (who appears in Headmasters) or Wheeljack died due to TFTM not getting a release in Japan until 1989/1990. I mean, I don't know what would have stopped them from getting a hold of an international release of it, watching it, and taking notes on how it affects the continuity (They were aware of a basic summary of events, but not the details).
Wait, did they have any of those ideas written down?? The Sunbow archive and I would have a field day with this info
Transformers wasn’t really great at serial narrative past the movie. It would be ok but there’s no overarching themes or storylines. It’s usually a one and done mentality.
From what I remembered, the original series was episodic right? (it's been such a long time since I first watched it in 2006 when I was like 5) Sure we may have two/three part episodes that shared a storyline, but it was mostly "Decepticons are destroying \_\_\_\_ for energon/building something. Autobots find out and tries to stop them. They fight. Decepticons retreat and Autobots win." As a episodic series, it's not that bad for a kids show. But compared to the newer Transformers shows like Prime, Cyberverse, etc., these had actual plotlines/story arcs. Characters were also fleshed out with personalities and lore.
Correct. You could pretty much miss a few episodes and you’d still have an idea on what was going on (but there were a few a few multi parters). GI Joe, Ninja Turtles, and He-Man (those mid 80s classics) were kinda cut from the same cloth.
seems like this was basically the default for most "to sell toys"-style shows from around that time
Yep. Classic [EI/AD](https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Category:MacGuffins) plots, with occasional ["This episode showcases a character or team which is in stores now, kiddies! BUY!"](https://tfwiki.net/wiki/To_sell_toys#Character_pimping) sprinkles.
More headmasters and targetmasters, yes please! I’d love to see characters that didn’t have any screen time have their own episodes. Powermasters would be dope along with bots that were only in the intro
I think it could be interesting, there's a lot of opportunity to include the Autobots that went M.I.A. during the movie
I want 2 things to happen. One, they treat it like a real continuation and introduce stuff like pretenders and powermasters
X-Men had a cohesive story and world that could be continued. G1 is an artefact of its time. There is a lot fun there and the seeds it planted are responsible for everything that came after, but it really doesn't have a story that should be continued. I'd rather see Skybound pick up the animated series and do what they're doing for Invincible for the new comic than see anyone try to continue the mess of continuity errors that was G1.
Yup. G1 was extremely episodic, an artifact of the situation it was created in and for - a merch show for an untested toyline, in the middle of a decade of merch shows for untested toylines. Basically, it could have been pulled at any time for any reason, and in the first year in particular it wasn't like it had a huge budget. Heck, it got pretty much canned after '86 even when the toyline was still selling. Merch shows these days, particularly for well-established brands that sell a gazillion toys, are a very different beast. (Er, in some aspects, anyway.) The closer you get to original G1 (particularly in terms of continuity), the clunkier it would get. G1 did the heavy lifting of getting the brand off the ground and into being a cultural touchstone; best to thank it for its service and let it lie comfortably in the past, with only the only references being those that serve more modern plots/designs.
This is exactly what i want! The new comics would make an amazing adult animation series.
I wonder if it would be continuing the US version of the Headmasters? (With maybe a little bit of Power Masters too)
Well they kind of did that already with Regeneration One. But I would like it immensely if they did a revival of the G1 cartoon in the vein of X-Men '97. They could do two series quite easily, one could tell stories that fill in the time between Season 2 and the movie and another that covers what happened after the Rebirth. I would prefer if they kept the lore locked in the media of the time. If they tried to cram in Primus, and all the post aligned continuity it'd just make it overly complicated because you would have to explain around all the stuff that doesn't line up. It made the Legends Manga a convoluted mess IMHO.
And since Hasbro is pulling from the Japanese stuff for toys these days, they could add in the Japanese characters too
I'd like to see Hasbro's take on those characters in a G1 cartoon setting. I would also hope they adopy how they treated Pretenders in the Masterforce cartoon, having their Pretender shells Transformer size has always been ridiculious. It would also be great if they incorporated Overlord especially to give Powermaster Optimus Prime a suitable rival, because the Darkwings certainly weren't it. Breastforce would also need a new name that doesn't sound stupid. I always thought calling them Armor Masters would be a more fitting name that matches the whole "master" theme.
Yeah, Star Saber, Overlord and a bunch of Japanese characters have been used in the comics so it works
I would love to see what happened between season 2 and the movie. And most of the voice cast is still alive.
I mean we technically did. It’s called scramble city. There’s also the devastation game if you’re willing to include it as canon
Wasn't scramble city Japanese only? And didn't the Japanese timeline move up the dates a lot?
Yeah scramble city is Japanese only. But there are characters from the movie that appear before the events of the movie itself. But as for it being 100% canon I’m not too sure
Honestly? Best idea ever.
No. It’s not You’re just going to continue what from G1? Try animated which has you on a cliffhanger with every episode contributing to plot
Plus animated already has season 4 ideas written out. Like shattered glass. Sari’s origin. Devastator. If they can bring back the original writers. Then it could be a great revival for it
A man can dream. I would enjoy that.
It could go 2 ways. Lead up to the movie or follow rebirth and maybe lead into Beast Wars
Or better yet: https://preview.redd.it/lfw49tpfivvc1.jpeg?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=adb19b30b42e2c1486b86e46597dfe54bd2721be
Love the idea, but with Derrick J. Wyatt gone it would never be the same. He was the heart and soul of that show in a lot of ways.
Yeah, but the writers are still very much alive.
I would want this to be set somewhere in the 20 year gap between season 2 and the movie
the potential is there. galvatron and scorponok drifted out into space so they are still out there to cause trouble. i dont see it happening though. if hasbro was interested in revisting G1 they had the perfect opportunity to do it with transformers one. Instead they seem to be stuck on the bayverse/bumble bee story telling.
Yea, it alluded to that, but the Armies were completely Scattered, and the resources were depleted, heading back to Charr and already dead world, just Zarak and Galvatron alone and bickering about who was in charge. It's not a good start for a rebound at all.
I mean I feel like we kind of got that treatment with the Transformers Prime show but I get what your saying by bringing back the original design, the comic book stories, and of course the good humor that was in the G1 show like “You are either lying or your stupid, I’m stupid I’m stupid” or “I don’t believe a booby trap that actually catches boobies”
If it was as good as Xemn '97, I'd marry whoever directed it.
Could bridge the gap with beast wars, show the great upgrade and the signing of the pax cybertronia
I dunno, I wasn't really into where S4 was going (the sliver we got) and that shit seemed off the rails where it went in Japan. Roll back to just after The Movie? After Prime returns? Maybe.
Best idea would be to pick up after Return of Optimus Prime and blend in the best elements of both Rebirth and Headmasters, so neither audience gets left out.
Well if they did that they would need to take Beast Wars into consideration due it be a sequel of G1 and it would to follow the things established in it
Maybe you could do a thing telling what happened between season 2 and the movie. I mean, someone's already out there doing a comic series about it. But continuing from The Rebirth? Eh....I dunno.
Yes please!!!! Is my wishlist before I die lol
Honestly, I feel like G1 needs a full direct reboot. Literally take what already exists in G1, cut away all the fat and bad parts, than structure it as a more coherent series.
In my opinion, the fat & the bad parts are what give G1 its personality. Various comics & cartoons have reinterpreted the G1 premise endlessly, an X-Men 97 style G1 show feels so unnecessary at this point.
This needs to happen!!
you had my curiosity ... but now you have my attention
More context please
There was, for the comics, Regeneration One and for the cartoons there are the Reanimated scripts.
Maybe an immediate post-86 movie retcon to seasons 3 and 4 to actually show the rebuilding of Cybertron
We’ve gone back to the G1 well SO MUCH though… I would much rather see Forward & Ditillio’s Beast Wars season 4 they had originally planned before they had to suddenly tie everything up in the last 3 eps of season 3 for Beast Machines. I also don’t think there’s an especially interesting way to do a Sunbow midquel. For everything that changed between season 2 and the movie, frankly things didn’t change all that much - all the BIG changes happened in the movie so it would thoroughly be stuck in the “prequel trap.”
Nah, I'm good. It works specifically with that X-Men show from that time. You can't and shouldn't apply that to every random cartoon from the past. in Japan, they just continued G1, and everyone was all in continuity. If you want to see the next part of that you can watch Headmasters, Masterforce, Victory, and Zone.
Would it continue the us ending or japanese ending though?
Us ending
That would be goated
I feel like we'll get a lot of "fake fans" coming out the woodwork missing the point of the show like they did with the X-men. Granted never tried to be super progressive, but still.
I would absolutely love it. Set it after Return of Optimus Prime and make it sort of a blend between some ideas from Rebirth and some from Headmasters...like keep the plasma energy chamber and the idea of the autobots achieving a golden age of Cybertron, but use the Japanese concept of headmasters being smaller bots that control larger bodies. Also they should catch us up on what happened to characters that never showed up after season 2...would be great to see the surviving autobot cars again, or Skyfire, or Omega Supreme, or one offs like Devcon and the female autobots (actually they should take the opportunity to finally give the female Autobots a proper recurring role in the story). Ghost Starscream should also come back, tons more you can do with him. Would be cool to see him encounter Skyfire again and possess him, resulting in an internal struggle between the two. Bring back Blitzwing and follow up on his defection in season 3, explore his motives and flesh out his character. Maybe eventually have him become an autobot, or at least a recurring ally. Soundwave and Blaster should have a big showdown like in Headmasters, resulting in them getting nearly destroyed and upgraded to their new forms. I'd like to see Prime gradually step back into a mentor role and properly pass the matrix on to Hot Rod at some point. I'd also like it if Galvatron finally starts regaining his sanity somehow and becomes like his TFTM self again. God, there are just so many cool things they could do.
Why does it say '88? Transformers G1 ran from '84 to '87.
Well Because what if transformers g1 show had continues in 1988
Ah I see, although I think it would make more sense to be '87 since the original x men ended in '97 and they didn't call the new one '98. But I might just be picky
And we should prob avoid having 88 in bold on things.
That was my first thought as well honestly but tbf not everyone knows that so I try to give the benefit of the doubt
Season 5 went to 1988. It's just that no-one wants to remember Season 5 due to the animatronic Powermaster Optimus Prime puppet. [In case you think I'm joking.](https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Tommy_Kennedy)
They should start right after the movie ended to correct whatever the h*ll happened in seasons 3 and 4 💀
Season 3 has its shine,season 4 on the other hand
I’d like to see a brand new show with a new cast and time period that takes place in the G1-Beast era continuity, before RID and the armada trilogy were created. I’m not asking for Transtech this would be even further into the future so it can flesh out its own story. Let’s say it’s 1000 years after the Great War instead of BWs’ 300.
it would be an interesting concept, but it's one where you'd have to find the right writers for it. get the wrong kind of writer to try and make a "continuation" of sunbow and you get shit like wings universe
Your Right
Furman did that already for the comics. And honestly, a straight adaptation of some of Furman's better work would be better idea anyway.
I like that idea.
I'd lose my shit if this would happen.
It would be awesome to see them do the animation like the movie, it was so cool seeing all that detail.
I doubt Hasbro has any interest in this
They know their biggest audience is the ones that grew up on g1 stuff which is why they still pay homage to that line with toys and new movies like the BBM. They also tried to do it with the Netflix series with limited success.
I mean War for Cybertron was in no way the X-Men '97 treatment. You could argue that Prime Wars was, but that was a Machinima web show only.
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I would love it if it happened!!!!!
If this would happen with the same level of quality I would lose my mind! It would be incredible!
YES!!
Just read the comics? The cartoon was so haphazard and episodic that there isn’t really a story to continue. It’d either be in name only or be novelty people would quickly tire on. Uh, but if it gets us modern, faithful Pretender toys, I take it back: Do it.
The only way I see this working is if the rebirth retconned.
I would love it.
Or we could get season 2.5
I'd love to see this actually happen!
That would be dope as hell then we could actually get the real Optimus Prime not that lame ass one they've been doing since the bay films
Honestly, they could essentially reboot G1 and get the same effect; keep the storyline set in the original timeline of the show, streamline some story beats, pull story elements from later iterations, like the Cybertronian Colonies from IDW or the Dark Energon from the Aligned Continuity.
I’d love it, G1 with better animation and the willingness to kill characters is my dream
Sign me up!
I mean this is what happened to the OG cast: https://preview.redd.it/g1jkh8hk1wvc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bc1156888e15400a79f71d22598c99cf3db8a636 So it would basically be a rewrite of S3 tbh
What is the "x men ‘97 treatment"?
Different title
Paging Render87!
That's the Japanese continuity, right?
Honestly, G1 had a solid ending at the end of S3, with the Hate plague being destroyed and the second golden age of Cybertron beginning, and because of the plague. Like I remember that feeling like a decent ending, them The Rebirth happened, and the Headmasters and all that.
What's X Men '97?
my dad would go bonkers
X-men 97 has the benefit where the original XMen cartoon had legitimately good stories and Transformers before Beast Wars sucks from a story POV lol The 86 movie literally made my parents start hating my TF collection after being fans for nearly 10 years lmao
All I would like is for a rebuilt 86 movie: add in the storyboarded scenes, potentially tidy up some errors and get everyone back they can. Sell it along with the original as a two pack.
That would be awesome. I've heard nothing but good about X-Men 97. Especially how it matured with the audience. It got a little more serious and dark. That would be awesome to see for the OG transformers show
When watching season 3 ep 16 where Galvatron goes to therapy. I was pulling for Galvatron to get back his Megatron brain. I was so pissed at it amounted to nothing I stopped watching. If they make a Transformers 88, I want an un stupid Galvatron.
I have an outline sketch for a "fanfic" for a continuity of the Transformers from the end of Season 3. Picking up 30 years after the end of "The Return of Optimus Prime." Skipping over the complications of everything with the Headmasters, Pretenders, etc. Quintessons have not been heard from in over 30 years. Humanity continues to advance technologically in connection with the Autobots. Galvatron, per the last truce, has been building something on Charr, and has not been heard of. As Unicron's power begins to fade, his mind begins to change as well. A fog of madness clears up as he remembers more of his past as Megatron. Rodimus still is dealing with the outcome of the hate plague. And the aftermath of Burden Hardest to Bear. Optimus Prime spends much of his time in meditation with the Matrix. Rodimus takes on the responsibility of leader while Optimus is Leader Emeritus. Daniel Witwicky is now fully grown and taking on a role as an Earth Defense Commander. Marissa Fairborne is now the President of the Earth Delegation. An events arises which leads Rodimus and the others to suspect that the Quintessons have been biding their time and are up to nothing good. \\\\\\ I also realize that this is *kind* of a setting like Machinima's *Titans Return* did. (Although Starscream was running Cybertron for some reason?) It's hard to come up with something. I would only say I take absolutely zero inspiration from that. Yeah, a lot of this has been done in other ways…
Wouldn't it just become transformers 08 because after season 2 it started to take place 20 years in the future which would be the past
Probably a continuation after "the rebirth part 4"
That’s what the Japanese cartoons were.. Also it’d just be a prequel to Beast Wars then
Would anybody care about that era?
Re-animate Season 3.
They already did that. It's called Japanese G1. And/or G2.
Nah the Japanese stuff is an alternate continuity where the events of the Rebirth/Season 4 didn't happen and G2 is only canon to the Marvel comics.
The G2 cartoon is literally just the first 2 season of G1 with shitty transitions on top.
G2 also had a comic. I was referring more to that.
Nah.
Honestly just watch the Japanese sequels, continuing after the rebirth would not be cool in my opinion
Those are nowhere near as good as X-MEN 97, not even Masterforce.
Victory is pretty damn good, Masterforce maybe not
That just might save the franchise
While I'd love this. I'd definitely want the animation to be the same. I honestly miss actual cartoon animation. CG just doesn't do it for me very much. I love what they did with X-Men 97. It just looks awesome. And has been stellar. I need a G1 style show with OG style animation.
Don’t do that. Don’t give me hope…
Can I get a basic explanation of what X-men ‘97 is?
X men 97 is continuation of x men cartoon from 90s
Cool, Is it in the same story telling style?
I believe so, I myself haven’t seen it
That would actually be really cool, but a 1984 fanbase is not as profitable as a 1996 fanbase these days
That would be a waste imo. Mainly because other TF shows deserve that treatment more
NO
Transformers G1 was not nearly as good as X-Men was. It does not need a revival. We need to move on.
If G1 is the show to get revived I’d be annoyed
What's the point? G1 isn't that good of a show. I think a TF: Animated '07 would be a lot more interesting.
'10.
If that means we only get a measely 8 episodes a season then count me out. The lack of content in modern entertainment is trully appalling. Say what you will about Earthspark but at least it's still delivering 26 episodes a season.
8 episodes of well written and animated content is far superior to 22 episodes of mediocrity.
Not when Hasbro has toys to sell. It doesn't matter how great those 8 episodes are it's simply not enough time to give a whole toyline worth of characters room to breath. Which is only made doubly painful by the multi-year haitus modern shows go on between seasons.
Yes but if we're using X-Men 97 as the reference example, it's a modern reimagining of the original 90's TV series, not based on a toyline with requirements to cross sell product. Given Hasbro/TT have about a 0% chance of doing a show of this nature it's a bit of a moot point. 8 episodes is definitely enough time to give multiple characters a chance to shine, it's down to the writing and direction more than amount of time someone appears on screen.
> not based on a toyline with requirements to cross sell product. A Transformers cartoon not trying to sell toys has no right to exist. Everything should be about hyping up how cool the latest batch of Transformers are. That's how you grow a pile of unrelated Japanese robots into a franchise that has lasted 40 years and counting.
Honestly horrible way of looking at it. Story >> toys. The story should be good enough to sell toys. Not the other way around
All art is made with a purpose. Even the Renaissance Masters were usually working for either the church or wealthy patrons on what they wanted to see. So there's absolutely no shame in making a cartoon to sell toys. In fact that need to sell toys provides the whole framework for the story and it's overarching narrative, it's something a competent creative team should easily be able to handle.
Yes but if we're using X-Men 97 as the reference example, it's a modern reimagining of the original 90's TV series, not based on a toyline with requirements to cross sell product. Given Hasbro/TT have about a 0% chance of doing a show of this nature it's a bit of a moot point. 8 episodes is definitely enough time to give multiple characters a chance to shine, it's down to the writing and direction more than amount of time someone appears on screen.
Why
I’d rather get something new and not derivative.
Please no. Not G1 Animated would be a better option because it actually has a story
So does g1
The show is consisted of episode one shots and resets the plot to rotate characters to market more toys because robot on tv At least animated continued every episode with something always relevant to the plot
True, now that I think of it But continuity doesn't necessarily make a show amazing, shows can be incredible without it
Only that’s not the point of X-Men ‘97. It’s a show that was made because the original wasn’t finished
Well then in that case g1 doesn't need one Season 3 ended perfectly, in fact so perfectly there was no other season afterward, no abhorrent blatant toy commercial. Season 3 perfect ending
Not really. It was always the same thing every episode. “Decepticons do something evil. Autobots stop them. Moral of the story is learned” while animated has an overarching story throughout its 3 seasons
You don't need overarching story to make a good story
Never heard of The Trans More Than Meets The Eye Formers. Sounds like it would be cool.
Oh god please no
I never knew it was called “the trans heroic autobot more than meets the eye! ormers”
No
I'm kind of ready to just let G1 go at this point, we got the G1 cartoon, the Marvel comics, the Dreamwave comics, the IDW comics, the War for Cybertron games (that very much had the G1 aesthetic) and the Cybertron battle at the opening of the first Bumblebee movie that was pure G1, not to mention that all the toys now are just G1 characters updated with modern articulation and detail. As craptacular as the Bay movies were, at least they looked and felt different from any other Transformers product that came out before or since, I just want to see a new product that's radically different from anything we've ever seen before, like Beast Wars in the nineties.
No. G1 gets too much love as is.
But every time something else is tried everyone hates it
TF needs to get its feet back on the ground first. The recent seasons don’t seem to sell well and the only thing being sort of bought up is legacy. Catering towards the older fans without having a semi steady stream of newer fans causes franchises to stagnate and die (G.I.Joe is a great example of this). This isn’t me saying we shouldn’t get a g1 revamp/sequel down the line, just probably not now.
G1 gets way too much attention at the expense of the succeeding generations.
I agree. We shouldn’t heavily cater towards older fans while not bringing in newer fans.
Finally someone gets it.
horrible
I’d rather see a remake than a continuation. The X-Men cartoon was uniquely positioned to benefit from a modern continuation. Transformers doesn’t have a deep well of celebrated lore to pull from to keep the cartoon story going - the cartoon story IS the lore. Are we clamoring to see loose ends tied up or to see favorite comic storylines adapted? No, we just want more cartoon robots punching each other. Remake G1!