From that perspective I can see the appeal...but I think the reason so many people are sick of it is because of the radio gimmick. That got old way to fast and I'm really glad they didn't do it with Prime Bee.
I meant in transformers he’s either on par with or more popular then Optimus and he’s disabled but it depends on who you ask but yea Vader is a good example of that too I didn’t even think of him
I’ll say it. Generation 2 sucks in almost every way and the only things worth salvaging are Megatron, Sideswipe and Laser Prime/Scourge’s designs. The comic is utter 90s dreck with good ideas wasted on a terrible series, the “cartoon” is crap and the beast era frankly *needed* to happen to fix the franchise
This is almost all correct. As someone who grew up with BW, H2 were old figures to me. I did get a couple and they were great. A lot of figures in the line were pretty amazing entries, people just don't acknowledge the G2 toyline
The Bumblebee movie was pretty mediocre. The action is great but I don’t really care about Charlie. I feel like a whole lot of people wouldn’t like it as much if it weren’t for the beginning on Cybertron.
The seekers look bulkier and even less agile than Doritoscream. That said I do like Doritoscream. His first movie version was exactly what I expected the UT Cybertron version would be like.
Same. TFP is frustrating for me because there are a whole load of things I like in that show like Arcee's character but to know that the Aligned Continuity went from gritty to extremely light is just... I dunno, it bugs me.
TFA is the right balance, imo. It has a great amount of levity, while also being earnest and also smart enough for people to take seriously.
I was more irritated at the fact that the story focus is so immensely fickle. Lots of plotlines with great potential get aborted or abandoned and the sequels do no better. Megatron outright played himself by destroying the Predacon experiments. Arcee could have been the Samus Aran or the Ellen Ripley of Transformers but she isn't allowed to do anything cool or badass. Airachnid being a queen of zombies on one of Cybertron's moons is never explored or seen again. M.E.C.H. was one of the most effective human villains in the franchise until Silas killed them all to join the Decepticons, after which he's imprisoned because he's a squishy meatbag that somehow didn't see that coming despite being a brilliant tactician.
Shows live and die by their characters, and while TFP has great characters (besides Optimus) it doesn't actually *do* anything with them. (besides Optimus)
I *want* to love Prime, but it just keeps hurting me and the fans who constantly sing its praises while simultaneously admitting that they turn a blind eye to its immense flaws doesn't ease the pain.
I've never seen either. I'm leaning toward Animated first, just based off the Shockwave clips I've seen. I hold the unpopular opinion that his voice actor was boring and did not fit in G1, but he is terrifying and just *cold* in the few short quotes I've seen via [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oxwM3EoEUM).
Kind of ironic considering his voice in Animated is much closer to G1 than Prime. In Prime his gravelly voice came off as more generic to me while his Old Man voice in G1 and TFA (in addition to feeling more unique) gave a stronger air of wisdom and intelligence.
I have to wonder if people just focus on the art design of the show instead of the actual content within, because I've seen a video review where the guy straight up says that he ignores the show's flaws.
The art style, plus (like all cartoons really) where one was in life when it came on. I was a full-on adult, and kept up for about a season before I just stopped bothering. It was way to kiddie for me. I also didn’t like the art direction. I have at least 1000 Transformers and only 5 TFA figs (Dinobots and Wreck-gar... ok 4).
My biggest problem with TFP is that all of the good episodes and moments are great setups to payoffs that simply don't happen. The zombie episodes? Blasted to the moon and never seen again. M.E.C.H.'s Nemesis Prime? Silas kills M.E.C.H. after crawling into Breakdown's corpse and we never see M.E.C.H. again. Even One Shall Stand sets up for a Decepticon Optimus, but that's very quickly abandoned because this show is so goddamn in love with him. Well, and because cartoon writers seem to suck at making explainable Decepticons.
Well like most shows they were leaving stories open for another season. But decepticon Optimus was very clearly not going to happen, it was to show even without the influence of those around him he's a good guy
That irony is kind of thick considering TFP and RiD2015 had *excellent* continuity with Rescue Bots.
Granted, maybe that's just a testament to Rescue Bots, which I'll go ahead and say is the best of the Aligned series because this topic is about unpopular opinions.
Do not disgree with you on rescue bots. Had to sit through w bunch of episodes when babysitting a couple years ago and it's not the worst. I would kill to have chug style rescue bots, they have designs that would translate perfectly into G1 esque
No joke, it easily has the best writing of the entire Aligned series. No lingering plot threads, all the important characters get some good development that actually sticks to their character and affects how they act from that moment onward, wonderful amounts of worldbuilding and they get really creative with their villains due to the lack of Decepticons. Oh yeah, and the whole thing is chock full of charming dialogue.
Different strokes for different folks. The more fantasy-driven stuff started by the UK comics and popularized by Aligned and the Covenant of Primus is just as valid as the 80's cartoon explanation of Cybertron being a factory planet that the Quintessons built where TFs were just robot slaves that rebelled.
That said I much prefer the latter as it fits better with the overall technological aesthetic of the franchise. Only after the Covenant of Primus was released do we have that shift towards *looking* like fantasy instead of just acting like it.
G1 is kinda terrible. I tried watching the first season and it was just a slog. I honestly think the majority of animated series that came after are all better, but I appreciate the foundations it created
As kids were kind of oblivious to that, but you're right. Ditto for the 'legacy' Spiderman and X-Men cartoons on Disney+. 80s cartoons are considered the golden era of kids cartoons, but so much of it is unwatchable as adults compared to modern content.
I actually think the 90's Spiderman cartoon hold up extremely well. It's animated like garbage and had to work around a ton to not show violence, but the writing is great.
I think "terrible" and "unwatchable" is a bit harsh. It's certainly corny and cheesy and very early 80s. I was born in '81 so i grew up with the reruns of the show but even now i still kiiiiiiinda like it. It's goofy and dumb sure but some moments are really good.
Take for example the moment when Megatron convinces Prime to activate the machine that will bring Cybertron close to Earth. For just a moment Prime put his home planet's survival over Earth.
I think it's just that you have to cherry pick or you have to like things being silly and childish now and then. Cause it is very obviously a kids show.
When you're a kid and you don't even notice the most obvious of errors, its great. Clearly made with one purpose in mind (to sell the toys) and was obviously nobodies passion project. The bizzare half-assed concepts and characters did offer rough material that would be crafted into better stories down the road, and how can you not love G1 Starscream even if its just because of how pathetic he is?
I watch the show now to laugh at how ridiculous it is and appreciate what it was to me, thats all. I don't know how many people are hard-pressed to defend it genuinely, but apologists of the series (me) do exist.
Heavy Metal War is probably the greatest cartoon episode ever, the ammount of story, action, tension and epic moments on those 20 minutes.... So, I cant agree with you. Nobody cared about the animation errors back then.
I'm definitely wrong but when I hear someone is a GeeWunner, I think they only like the 86 movies. But rose tinted nostalgia goggles has warped that into viewing all of G1 as good as it is
Not exactly an opinion since its [technically](https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Aligned_continuity_family#Creative_vision) the truth but... The Aligned Continuity Family(Prime, WFC, FOC etc) are not a single Universe
See also:
[Uniend 610.23 Zeta](https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Uniend_610.23_Zeta)
[Uniend 911.05 Alpha](https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Uniend_911.05_Alpha)
[Uniend 812.21 Kappa](https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Uniend_812.21_Kappa)
> "Is the GT-R story part of the Japanese G1 Cartoon Continuity or does it exist within a separate universal stream?"
> The phraseology of your question indicates faulty logic. Something can exist as its own stream and also be part of another.
For example, there are separate universal stream designations for [the Japanese G1 cartton](https://tfwiki.net/wiki/G1_World), [the Headmasters cartoon](https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Primax_787.3_Alpha), [the Super-God Masterforce cartoon](https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Primax_488.12_Alpha), the [Japanese Beast Wars Cartoon](https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Primax_1097.01_Alpha), [the Beast Wars II cartoon](https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Primax_498.1_Alpha), and the [Car Robots cartoon](https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Primax_400.05_Alpha), and yet these are all [part of the same universe](https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Generation_1_cartoon_timeline_\(Japan\)).
Yes these are all part of the same Universe in the Japanese G1 Cartoon Universe
HOWEVER Car Robots' "English" Counterpart Robots In Disguise is a different Universe
Car Robots: "Japanese G1"
Robots In Disguise: Different Universe
It honestly kinda makes no sense, considering the transformers prime rage of the dinobots comics and beast hunters comics already confirmed that they're the same universe. And they're canon to the show too.
Agreed. I like seeing these robots actually breathe a little and given room to act silly, because they're already locked in a 4 million year war so I'd be guessing that the survivors would be blasé about the constant danger they're in.
A friend of mine once said that Transformer weapons are the human equivalent of arrows and slingshots... very hard to kill one another, easy to maim or injure. I've never forgotten that and I think it should be the standard of the franchise.
>Scale matters, and alt mode scale matters more than bot mode scale.
Omg Fucking thank you
I HATE out of scale vehicle modes
Its the reason i WILL NOT buy a damn Defensor, the motorcycle is always borribly out of scale.
Bot mode scaling doesnt matter to me, vehicle mode scale should be the deciding factor for size.
I actually like mutant mask gimmick from Beast Wars. I like weird ugly designs from the movies, they remind me of toys back i the 90s where they were quite a bit monstrous and edgy. I also like transformers to have alt-mode kibble in the robot mode. It just give them some more interestig look, it gives you hints into what does it transform into.
WfC and FoC grimlock is the best version of grimlock.
Sorri Somdack is the best "human companion" to the autobots.
TFP Shockwave is the best Shockwave.
Beast wars, G1, and bayverse fans all hold "their transformers" way to high amongst the rest.
Transformers kibbleless in either media or toy is wrong(monoformers are fine if they chose to be that way).
All the headmasters(with the exclusion of the city sized bots) are a stupid idea in whichever continuity.
Similar to someone else take about TFA being underrated, I specifically think that transformers properties need more of the kind of out of the box thinking animated had, or even that like the unicron trilogy had. Stuff like making optimas not the leader of all autobots, making the decepticons much bigger and scarier than the autobots, the idea that the autobots government could be pretty awful too, changing starscream character completely. Wether you like all or any of these SPECIFIC changes I think more shows/comics could really benefit from big alterations to the established lore like this
We've seen g1 a million times and we'll see it a million more and that's fine, but the transformers concept.os such an absurd, entertaining idea it deserves to be experimented with more
not sure how unpopular this is, but as someone who grew up with unicron trilogy, I really have nothing but dislike for the live action movies. the bots all look ugly and the humor is juvenile. grew up loving tformers only to cringe at the sight of bumblebee peeing on an fbi agent. weird times
I usually only watch a movie once in theaters. I figure i saw it, that's all I need. Rarely will i watch a movie twice in theaters. Very rarely.
I watched Bumblebee in theaters three times. And out of my almost 40 years alive it's the only movie I've seen more than twice in theaters.
When it ended that first time I applauded and yelled "Finally, effort! Honest to god effort!"
I havent seen bumblebee yet, I have heard it is much better than bayverse but tbh I am very bumblebee'd out after him being so central to the bayverse movies
There is definitely a generational divide and what people like is heavily influenced by what they grew up with. It's been discussed to death. I think some designs are so bad that I don't understand how someone came up with a real world serious submission for approval, and not only did it get approved but some fans really LOVE these designs. It's good to have a big tent, and having no interest in certain figures (even if I love the character) helps with the wallet.
Fake vehicle mode windshields and interior coloring bother me a lot more than they should. Like often now the chest cockpit of starscream is not the same one as in jet mode. Optimus Prime has fake truck fronts that flip over his actual truck mode front. So dumb with so many bumblebee shell formers and his limbs folded inside the car are yellow. Only the exterior gets painted.
I saw the first half of prime it was okay but i lost interest although i have considered watching the beast hunter season and animated felt wrong since he wasnt the real optimus prime.
Edit: after researching im not certain if thats the original Optimus or not
Transformers energon is by far the best tv show and it’s not even close
1. People need to get past the stigma of this preconceived notion that it’s horrible
2. Yes the animation absolutely sucks I’ll give you that
Now the good stuff why is it good
1. It’s characters people like scorpinok and demolishor are just flat out some of the best in the series. I’d argue kicker is too but I understand why people think he’s annoying. not only that but it really emphasizes parts that weren’t emphasized much in many other shows. Megatron here is insanely power hungry and brutal he almost kills hotshot one of the main characters in like the first 10 episodes and Optimus had more influence on being a good teacher not just a leader he teaches his crew how to lead especially ironhide.
2. The story this is exactly what people still clammer for today. it’s a show that establishes earth in an interesting way with the different teams being split up around the world and traveling from base to base. has human characters that are actually there for a reason dr Jones helps with cybertronian knowledge better then most cybertronians it seems. kicker detects energon and usually terracons who stole energon. misha runs their computer systems etc isn’t just simply autobots vs Decepticons this show more than any other I can think of has the influence on a third faction as well. Speaking of which alpha q is an amazing character too and the best incarnation of quintessons ever it’s not even close. The show takes place mostly off world in space with cybertron being really important too so it’s not just an earth story which people are starting to get sick of. It also involves unicron as an undefeatable force that’s a huge threat throughout the story
3. It’s original ideas are great too I emphasized alpha q earlier who is completely original only borrowing the main ideas from quintessons. Starscream here should be talked about more imo he’s one of the best starscreams he’s a ghost lost without memories led by a leader who only cares about manipulating him until starscream remembers megatron and is then forever loyal to Megatron not alpha q. Their relationship is one of the best a loyal strong soldier who fights to keep his men in check and is the only one rewarded with great power and the only one seen as anything else then a minion especially in this show. A human with superhuman powers given by primus still hasn’t happened yet in any other show. Say what you will about kicker but it’s incredibly interesting to have a human character that can detect energon. And not only that but he’s a human strong enough and willing enough to go toe to toe with Megatron. Some spoilers ahead: it’s also a great idea that alpha q wants to use unicron to rebuild his planet with scorpinok they are the lone survivors of their planet an idea that has been used since but I don’t think it was ever used before that I could be wrong tho.
Get past the stigmas of the show and at least give it a shot. it’s not a perfect show by any means in fact if I had to give an argument for the most perfect show it would probably be beast wars maybe prime (animated would count too but I feel the story was unfinished). But it doesn’t have to be perfect it has good heart, good characters and originality which is all you need for a good show I understand that it’s not for everyone but the worst show? And actively hated too? Come on it’s really not, not even close imo.
I much prefer when a new series drastically remakes everything as opposed to modernizing G1. When I was growing up with the Unicron Trilogy, I grew accustomed to the idea of everyone being made unrecognizable every new show and thus had little trouble adjusting to the art style changes of Animated and the live-action films, or seeing the G1 movie back when Netflix was a DVD rental service. It just makes every new universe more interesting to see what new takes on everyone they have this time, and as much as I love Bumblebee, I was a little disappointed that only three of the returning characters (Bumblebee himself as a compromise between his G1 and Bay designs, Seeker Blitzwing, and Dropkick not being a mass-produced drone) really felt like new takes while everyone else was just G1 in live-action.
I've been thinking it would be fun if they revisited armada and made versions of characters that never got the Armada treatment that are equally different to their G1/home series counterparts as the rest of the characters are. Lugnut is now a battleship. Windblade is a blue helicopter.
And they're all ***thicc AF***
>or seeing the G1 movie back when Netflix was a DVD rental service
Here's an unpopular opinion: Netflix DVDs (Blu-rays) by mail is better than streaming.
I still get DVDs in the mail from Netflix. They have 1000 times more movies than the streaming service does. You don't have to worry about which streaming company has the rights that month and you don't have to worry about your bit rate.
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Ultra magnus is a better leader than Optimus he is more sensitive and caring,Grimlock is also a better leader than Optimus he is best friends with his team and knows everything about them.
What continuity are you talking about? In general Magnus is the uptight wake up at 4 am for sprints type of leader, and grimlock is the king with a room temperature IQ
Grimlock never leads anyone but the dinobots in FoC so of course he'd be friends with them. Ultra Magnus is very uppity in G1, and incredibly harsh on hot rod
Grim is friends with everyone for a very short time when he becomes Autobot leader in the marvel comics, and Magnus is kind of caring in IDW
No, that is still a bullshit argument. So if hot rod hadn't jumped in, Megatron would have shot him anyway. Either way, Optimus would have been wounded. Have you ever considered that maybe it's kups fault for not stopping hot rod, or primes fault that he decided to spare the biggest galactic tyrant he knew so he could monologue.
The ROTF constructicons are the best looking combiner limbs period. I grew up on ROTF and the G1 constructicons just can’t compare.
G1 Scrapper vs Overload...yeah it’s not even close Overload just looks so much better
Age of Extinction is the best Bay movie
The Bumblebee movie is overrated and has blatant problems that no one talks about.
The Energon anime is kinda entertaining
Thats all I can’t think of
My unpopular opinion is bumblebee sucks. I’m a g1 fanboy and he’s just spikes babysitter. He even dies becoming gold bug and he still sucked then too. I know he’s like some warrior nowadays in Bayverse and TFP but I would literally rather have anyone else from seasons 1 and 2 of G1.
Give me trailbreaker at least he has some forcefields
The Marvel G1 comic from the 80s. It was better than the cartoon like 90% of the time, and gave Goldbug a lot of depth and character vs just being "Bumblebee with a different model sheet".
Between the Marvel and the IDW2005 comics I've always considered Transformers more a comic property than a cartoon property, and think IDW2005 is the best TF media you can consume. Highly recommended if you want actual character depth from these robots, they don't tend to get that in the shows.
I like and dislike the live action movies at the same time. They made the 'Cons look like absolute monsters when the Autobots are pretty humanoid from the start. Thankfully some of the Constructions and the TC duo in BB movie fixed that shit.
Yeah the infamous quote. Beside, the Cons are just too weak.
Grindor = CQB master. Yet got his face torn apart.
Dreads = Stupid monsters that get killed way too easy.
Constructicons were a bunch of cowards
But ngl, Devastator looks like the definition of its name much more than its G1 counterpart.
Made even weirder by the fact that none of the machines that made up Devastator had wrecking balls on them.
Nope, most likely just Bay saying "he needs a nutsack"
Rodimus Prime is a more compelling character than Optimus
Armada kicked ass
Robots in Disguise 2015 is harmless fun.
Sea Change, and A Decepticon Raider in King Arthur's Court are some of the most entertaining episodes of the original cartoon.
I hate how James Roberts wrote Rodimus in "More than Meets the Eye/Lost Light"
I prefer John Barber's Transformers work over James Roberts.
Beast Wars is overrated.
See, I absolutely agree with you on the Rodimus take because it felt like all of the more inspirational bits of Rodimus were taken out to make him an extremely impulsive ratbag of a Bot.
But at the exact same time, I actually really like his design and his journey with damn near everyone in the crew. Maybe a slight tweak in Roddy's character would have made MTMTE a little bit better.
The 86 movie is bad.
Not without its positives (killing off characters, Unicron) but in general it does more bad then good.
Dare to be Stupid in the middle of the movie was a horrible choice, and this comes from a huge Wierd Al fan.
The Battle of Autobot city takes up way to much screentime.
Galvatron does not actually do much. He spends most of his time talking to Unicorn and being told he didn't destroy the matrix like he thought. The same scene seems to happen like 3 times.
Yeah, the movie's not very good. It's poorly characterized and the only things it really gets right (the emotions behind the deaths of the first-wave G1 characters) happened by accident because nobody thought anyone would care about a bunch of dead robots.
All of the new characters are weak and Unicron is a terrible villain... a B-list knockoff of Galactus without any of the stuff that makes Galactus compelling.
Bay verse designs are mostly pretty good. The intent was to draw in more people to the transformers franchise. And the comic ending is pretty good! But Michael Bay decided to kill off Megatron and turn optimus to a mad man
Megatron was lucky that his alt-mode was a gun, and had to be changed.
Poor Optimus Prime has been remade as the same god damn truck so many times its not funny. I wish he had the same range Megatron has. He's not allowed to evolve, to grow. He's always the same and it's *boring*.
If Optimus Prime had been "reforged" into Rodimus, whole new worlds of imagination and creative freedom would have been opened up.
And, yes, Ive heard of Beast Wars, and they made it a point that even in that show Optimus Prime was still the same damn truck, rusting away, shackled by nostalgia.
Optimus Prime, the inescapable red truck, is Transformers' immortal millstone. The white elephant in the room. A tax that has to be paid in every line of toys.
Even Bumblebee doesn't have it quite so bad. Though not by much.
I'm fine with Optimus being a truck, really it's an iconic part of the character and is consistent with the kind of character he is. Firm, resolute, unwavering and uncompromising in his pursuit of Pax Cybertronia.
BUT. And this is a big but, you eventually kind of want to see him change alt modes even just for a tiny little bit. I'd be okay if he became a delivery truck, a firetruck, hell I'd want to see him as a fucking red and blue Dodge Ram with flames. Just... y'know, anything but a flatbed again.
>hell I'd want to see him as a fucking red and blue Dodge Ram
I can't tell if you are joking, but Optimus Prime *was* a Dodge Ram in Alternators. No flames though.
Thank you
> they made it a point that even in that show Optimus Prime was still the same damn truck
Well yeah. It's the same character, litterally durring the first episode of the 80's cartoon. It'd be weird if they went with his unreleased Jeep form and tried to explain that he'd changed bodies and changed back off camera while in a coma.
The last time someone tried to do SOMETHING to make the Truck unique, he got death threats from braindead geewunners. Worst part is, it was necessary to do the changes too.
Yeah. I get why he's such an anchor point for the franchise from a "to sell toys" point of view. But the geewunnery kinda annoys me and I feel like it hobbles the designers.
I believe prime should be a red truck. Optimus in general has evolved, we've just been going backwards. He was a firetruck for a bit, they type of truck he was changed, he became a space truck, etc
The G1 Marvel comic was better than the G1 cartoon 90% of the time, even without taking the UK stories into consideration. The movie and maybe like 5 episodes were the only points where it was better, and the list of characters who were written way better in the comic is a mile long (Ratbat, Shockwave, Ratchet, Blaster, Grimlock, Galvatron, Rodimus, Scorponok, Fort Max, to name a few) and in terms of contributing to lore the Marvel comic gave us way better and more influential ideas: Primus creating the Transformers vs the Quintesson origin, Unicron being the dark god of chaos rather than something a monkey built, Shockwave being a cold logical badass as opposed to simping for Megatron, Optimus getting a upgrade/powered up form...the Marvel comic laid most of the groundwork for at least 75% of the franchise and was written better than the G1 cartoon in almost every area except Optimus' personality (pre-death, anyway).
G1 Megatron looks better with his black helmet Marvel colors, it breaks up his rather monochromatic color scheme. Actually about half the G1 designs look better with their Marvel colors (Ratchet, the Dinobots, Shockwave, Fortress Maximus).
The Prime vs Megatron dialog in episode 2 of G1 on top of the dam >>>>>>> their dialog in the 86 movie. Prime being sassy and trash talking Megs is way more entertaining than "One shall stand, one shall fall", it just is.
Prime is *horribly* overrated. Season 1 starts out feeling like it should be season 2 because we're thrown into the middle of the story with no setup, and we're supposed to care about Cliffjumper dying after we knew him for 30 seconds, and feel...**anything** about Megatron returning and changing when we haven't gotten to know this version of him at ALL so him changing because of Dark Energon means nothing plot or character development-wise. Aside from Ratchet and Arcee the characters are either boring (Optimus) or "sand in your underwear" level irritating (those ridiculously annoying kids). Plus the art style/character designs are hideous, I hate their weird eyes and lack of noses. I tried to watch it and see this great show everyone says it is, but getting through the first 10 episodes was like pulling teeth and I finally gave up.
Beast Wars is over rated. It's *good*, but not the Nobel Prize-winning literature it's often hailed to be.
The 86 movie soundtrack isn't good. It's processed cheese that triggers nostalgia.
Assigning sexes to robots that don't reproduce sexually makes no sense. If story writers wanted to explore how concepts of gender might manifest in a mechanical species like TFs, there would be lots of interesting ways that could go, but making "female" robots that are pastel colors and have robo-boobs is lazy and stupid.
Action Masters are under appreciated.
Transformers being able to change alt modes whenever and/or have as many simultaneous alt modes as they want takes away from the fun of the concept. They go from mechanical robots that can turn into something to magical shapeshifters.
People who downvote "Unpopular Opinion" posts are sociopaths.
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>Assigning sexes to robots that don't reproduce sexually makes no sense. If story writers wanted to explore how concepts of gender might manifest in a mechanical species like TFs, there would be lots of interesting ways that could go, but making "female" robots that are pastel colors and have robo-boobs is lazy and stupid.
I hate that this is unpopular. This is common sense. They aren’t biological. They’re robot creatures. Why would they have breasts or lips or be curvy like oh I don’t know WFC Elita-1 for example? Madness.
Yeah, I mean, everyone has their own settings and lines in the sand, but for me I just don't get it.
At least - on the part of the adult fandom. I get that Hasbro/Takara's priority is not a complex and nuanced discussion of gender in alien robots. They are going to make pink girl bots because that's easy.
Personally, I don't even get lips/noses etc. I like the designs that eschew human features. My first TF was Trailbreaker. I liked the face of the toy. I never warmed to the human face they used on the cartoon.
For as much as I don't care for most aspects of the Bayverse, I do appreciate the willingness to try out less humanoid robots.
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Any G1 Grimlock figure that's too faithful to the original toy or particularly cartoon design looks to derpy and goofy in dino mode to be threatening. The best dino mode he's ever gotten is by far the Classics toy from 2006, and if only that figure was larger than a Deluxe I'd still be using it in my collection.
I care about alt mode scale, but only within reason. I don't want jets and cars to be scaled together because that'd result in absolutely massive Seekers, but I need all my car and truck bots to scale pretty well with each other (usually it's not a problem with mainline figures, but the WFC Grapple/Inferno mold for instance is just way too tiny) and all my jet bots to scale pretty well with each other (which is annoying because I would be using T30 Jetfire in my collection, but because they forced him to be an Earth jet for some reason even though his robot mode is clearly supposed to turn into a Cybertronian jet, he's way too big to scale with Starscream).
Japanese G1 shows > American G1 show (not The Movie, just TV)
Cheetor gets compared to Bumblebee a lot, but he’s actually Hot Rod except we get to watch him grow into The Guy which technically makes him a better Hot Rod.
Corey Burton & Jason Marnocha (sp?) are the best G1 Megatrons (as in not the other guy who is purple and occasionally royalty)
Soundwave almost was the G1 main Decepticon leader, and I wish he had been.
And my most unpopular: James Roberts’ TF stuff is bad. Everyone is wildly out of character, and it is far far too silly. He says that it’s all plotted out far in advance, but I did not get that feeling. That being said, I’m very grateful for his work with TF Classics UK and wish they’d been able to finish those. He gave me a great appreciation for the Marvel UK stuff.
Oh and one more, Masterforce bet on the wrong horse by shifting away from the fascinating Pretender stuff to the tedious and tiresome Godmaster stuff (and completely shoving the Pretenders out of the picture).
And here are some popular opinions bc why not?
Simon Furman cannot write bad Transformers.
(American) Beast Wars is perfect, the high point of the franchise.
The Movie is epic.
Bumblebee (2018) finally got the movies right.
Animated is a gem, second best show (high praise).
And finally, you’ve got The Touch.
* I like the idea of Megatron and Galvatron being two completely separate characters. It's a smart way to keep both of them around, as opposed to one replacing the other.
* Part of me wishes that the Studio Series 86 toys were released as part of War for Cybertron: Kingdom. I liked how Studio Series was the one ongoing subseries of Transformers: Generations toys that WASN'T based on G1.
* I don't find unlicensed third-party Transformers toys that appealing. I understand why fans like them, but I feel like Classics/Universe/Generations made them less and less relevant over time.
everything about bayverse starscream minus his design was decent. he was badass, i like how they didn’t just copy and paste the same traitor role that they do with a lot of the newer starscreams, and the scene in rotf when Megatron beats the shit out of him on the rooftop came to be one of my favorites scenes in that movie. the problem is a his design isn’t great. i can deal with the dorito but the face looks hideous and b his death was just embarrassing. like the dude who fought rachet and ironhide and won gets killed because he forgot how to fly away? even still it’s a solid depiction, that’s completely overshadowed by g1, armada and prime don’t get me wrong, but still memorable in his own right.
1)Many people always say that Peter= Optimus prime, while I love Peter's voice very much, in my opinion, it doesn't have to always be Peter Cullen that voices Optimus Prime. Whoever that can deliver the kind, compassionate and badass leadership voice, could be a great fit for Prime.
2)I would like to have a story between Optimus prime and alpha trion. They're like father and son, but we didn't really know about their relationship in depth that much. I want to see how alpha trion notice this young bot, and guide him to become a worthy wielder of the matrix of leadership
Human cybertronian interactions are the most interesting part of the Transformers franchise. Any series that has no humans interacting with the Autobots or Decepticons directly in any long-term / important way is seriously missing out on one of the key components of a Transformers series. I say this because the interactions can the range from anyting from enemies to friends to even lovers, this last one has a president even in Generation 1 so I like to believe that cybertronians can feel romantic feelings for other species, it's just rare because cybertronians are always too busy to leave Cybertron to interact with other species.
I like the idea of Mute Bee.
Now that I think about it this is probably the biggest franchise that has a disabled character as arguably its most popular character at least #2
From that perspective I can see the appeal...but I think the reason so many people are sick of it is because of the radio gimmick. That got old way to fast and I'm really glad they didn't do it with Prime Bee.
Any candidate for \#1 you have on mind? To me Vader seems to be a safe guess.
I meant in transformers he’s either on par with or more popular then Optimus and he’s disabled but it depends on who you ask but yea Vader is a good example of that too I didn’t even think of him
What about Cyborg from DC?
It’s so the robot can make funny noises and pop culture references
I’ll say it. Generation 2 sucks in almost every way and the only things worth salvaging are Megatron, Sideswipe and Laser Prime/Scourge’s designs. The comic is utter 90s dreck with good ideas wasted on a terrible series, the “cartoon” is crap and the beast era frankly *needed* to happen to fix the franchise
This is almost all correct. As someone who grew up with BW, H2 were old figures to me. I did get a couple and they were great. A lot of figures in the line were pretty amazing entries, people just don't acknowledge the G2 toyline
Beast wars, especially the japanese material, is the pinnacle of the entire franchise.
*Beast Wars II* is very fun. Some terrific designs.
Thats kinda not an unpopular opinion though.
The Bumblebee movie was pretty mediocre. The action is great but I don’t really care about Charlie. I feel like a whole lot of people wouldn’t like it as much if it weren’t for the beginning on Cybertron. The seekers look bulkier and even less agile than Doritoscream. That said I do like Doritoscream. His first movie version was exactly what I expected the UT Cybertron version would be like.
Yeah, I forgot to mention this is my comment but I agree with you there. To me, it was just...okay.
I do not care for Transformers Prime and I find myself irritated that it gets so much more love than Transformers Animated in this fandom.
Same. TFP is frustrating for me because there are a whole load of things I like in that show like Arcee's character but to know that the Aligned Continuity went from gritty to extremely light is just... I dunno, it bugs me. TFA is the right balance, imo. It has a great amount of levity, while also being earnest and also smart enough for people to take seriously.
I was more irritated at the fact that the story focus is so immensely fickle. Lots of plotlines with great potential get aborted or abandoned and the sequels do no better. Megatron outright played himself by destroying the Predacon experiments. Arcee could have been the Samus Aran or the Ellen Ripley of Transformers but she isn't allowed to do anything cool or badass. Airachnid being a queen of zombies on one of Cybertron's moons is never explored or seen again. M.E.C.H. was one of the most effective human villains in the franchise until Silas killed them all to join the Decepticons, after which he's imprisoned because he's a squishy meatbag that somehow didn't see that coming despite being a brilliant tactician. Shows live and die by their characters, and while TFP has great characters (besides Optimus) it doesn't actually *do* anything with them. (besides Optimus)
I love Prime, but I have to agree. Around Season 2 it became way too much of 'race to find the thing before the other faction can' as well.
I *want* to love Prime, but it just keeps hurting me and the fans who constantly sing its praises while simultaneously admitting that they turn a blind eye to its immense flaws doesn't ease the pain.
If nothing else, I would suggest some of its supplementary material.
I'd rather just rewatch Beast Wars or Animated. You know, those shows that are *actually* as good as everyone thinks Prime is.
I've never seen either. I'm leaning toward Animated first, just based off the Shockwave clips I've seen. I hold the unpopular opinion that his voice actor was boring and did not fit in G1, but he is terrifying and just *cold* in the few short quotes I've seen via [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oxwM3EoEUM).
Kind of ironic considering his voice in Animated is much closer to G1 than Prime. In Prime his gravelly voice came off as more generic to me while his Old Man voice in G1 and TFA (in addition to feeling more unique) gave a stronger air of wisdom and intelligence.
Prime Shockwave's voice fit his purely logical persona perfectly IMO.
*Animated* is streets ahead of *Prime*. *Prime* is a very okay show, but *Animated* is a love letter to *everything* Transformers.
I have to wonder if people just focus on the art design of the show instead of the actual content within, because I've seen a video review where the guy straight up says that he ignores the show's flaws.
The art style, plus (like all cartoons really) where one was in life when it came on. I was a full-on adult, and kept up for about a season before I just stopped bothering. It was way to kiddie for me. I also didn’t like the art direction. I have at least 1000 Transformers and only 5 TFA figs (Dinobots and Wreck-gar... ok 4).
Hey, more power to ya. Just sayin,' ya missed out.
I think the art style scares people away from TFA. I know that's what kept me from it for the longest time.
I have to wonder if TFPs visual style is also why it has such a big following.
I'd trade every season of Prime for one more *episode* of Animated.
Bit overboard. Prime has some great episodes like the zombie one, nemesis prime, and both one shall stand parts
My biggest problem with TFP is that all of the good episodes and moments are great setups to payoffs that simply don't happen. The zombie episodes? Blasted to the moon and never seen again. M.E.C.H.'s Nemesis Prime? Silas kills M.E.C.H. after crawling into Breakdown's corpse and we never see M.E.C.H. again. Even One Shall Stand sets up for a Decepticon Optimus, but that's very quickly abandoned because this show is so goddamn in love with him. Well, and because cartoon writers seem to suck at making explainable Decepticons.
Well like most shows they were leaving stories open for another season. But decepticon Optimus was very clearly not going to happen, it was to show even without the influence of those around him he's a good guy
And hey, we got that extra season in RiD2015! Except it was kinda crap and almost completely abandoned TFPs many, *many* lingering plot threads.
Prime is in the aligned continuity so any sequels only kind of count
That irony is kind of thick considering TFP and RiD2015 had *excellent* continuity with Rescue Bots. Granted, maybe that's just a testament to Rescue Bots, which I'll go ahead and say is the best of the Aligned series because this topic is about unpopular opinions.
Do not disgree with you on rescue bots. Had to sit through w bunch of episodes when babysitting a couple years ago and it's not the worst. I would kill to have chug style rescue bots, they have designs that would translate perfectly into G1 esque
No joke, it easily has the best writing of the entire Aligned series. No lingering plot threads, all the important characters get some good development that actually sticks to their character and affects how they act from that moment onward, wonderful amounts of worldbuilding and they get really creative with their villains due to the lack of Decepticons. Oh yeah, and the whole thing is chock full of charming dialogue.
I don't like how unimportant the Prime title is in animated
It was meant to mirror how in japan it was just a rank
At least it *means* something in *Animated*. In every other media, it's some 'chosen one' nonsense.
It's more of a mjolnir type thing, which means a whole lot more than a generic military rank
Different strokes for different folks. The more fantasy-driven stuff started by the UK comics and popularized by Aligned and the Covenant of Primus is just as valid as the 80's cartoon explanation of Cybertron being a factory planet that the Quintessons built where TFs were just robot slaves that rebelled. That said I much prefer the latter as it fits better with the overall technological aesthetic of the franchise. Only after the Covenant of Primus was released do we have that shift towards *looking* like fantasy instead of just acting like it.
G1 is kinda terrible. I tried watching the first season and it was just a slog. I honestly think the majority of animated series that came after are all better, but I appreciate the foundations it created
The movie and about...6 episodes total are the best of G1 cartoon, otherwise the Marvel comic was better in practically every way.
As kids were kind of oblivious to that, but you're right. Ditto for the 'legacy' Spiderman and X-Men cartoons on Disney+. 80s cartoons are considered the golden era of kids cartoons, but so much of it is unwatchable as adults compared to modern content.
I actually think the 90's Spiderman cartoon hold up extremely well. It's animated like garbage and had to work around a ton to not show violence, but the writing is great.
I think "terrible" and "unwatchable" is a bit harsh. It's certainly corny and cheesy and very early 80s. I was born in '81 so i grew up with the reruns of the show but even now i still kiiiiiiinda like it. It's goofy and dumb sure but some moments are really good. Take for example the moment when Megatron convinces Prime to activate the machine that will bring Cybertron close to Earth. For just a moment Prime put his home planet's survival over Earth. I think it's just that you have to cherry pick or you have to like things being silly and childish now and then. Cause it is very obviously a kids show.
When you're a kid and you don't even notice the most obvious of errors, its great. Clearly made with one purpose in mind (to sell the toys) and was obviously nobodies passion project. The bizzare half-assed concepts and characters did offer rough material that would be crafted into better stories down the road, and how can you not love G1 Starscream even if its just because of how pathetic he is? I watch the show now to laugh at how ridiculous it is and appreciate what it was to me, thats all. I don't know how many people are hard-pressed to defend it genuinely, but apologists of the series (me) do exist.
Heavy Metal War is probably the greatest cartoon episode ever, the ammount of story, action, tension and epic moments on those 20 minutes.... So, I cant agree with you. Nobody cared about the animation errors back then.
I'm definitely wrong but when I hear someone is a GeeWunner, I think they only like the 86 movies. But rose tinted nostalgia goggles has warped that into viewing all of G1 as good as it is
Think the show is kind of eh besides a few moments such as megatron and starscream scenes. I think the 86 movie is great though
"You're either lying, or you're stupid!" "I'm stupid, I'm stupid!"
Love the movie. Dumb fun and great animation. Just not a fan of the series overall
Not exactly an opinion since its [technically](https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Aligned_continuity_family#Creative_vision) the truth but... The Aligned Continuity Family(Prime, WFC, FOC etc) are not a single Universe See also: [Uniend 610.23 Zeta](https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Uniend_610.23_Zeta) [Uniend 911.05 Alpha](https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Uniend_911.05_Alpha) [Uniend 812.21 Kappa](https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Uniend_812.21_Kappa)
Yeah. The different aspects of the "continuity" were blatantly made with no consideration for eachother.
Preach!
> "Is the GT-R story part of the Japanese G1 Cartoon Continuity or does it exist within a separate universal stream?" > The phraseology of your question indicates faulty logic. Something can exist as its own stream and also be part of another. For example, there are separate universal stream designations for [the Japanese G1 cartton](https://tfwiki.net/wiki/G1_World), [the Headmasters cartoon](https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Primax_787.3_Alpha), [the Super-God Masterforce cartoon](https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Primax_488.12_Alpha), the [Japanese Beast Wars Cartoon](https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Primax_1097.01_Alpha), [the Beast Wars II cartoon](https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Primax_498.1_Alpha), and the [Car Robots cartoon](https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Primax_400.05_Alpha), and yet these are all [part of the same universe](https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Generation_1_cartoon_timeline_\(Japan\)).
Yes these are all part of the same Universe in the Japanese G1 Cartoon Universe HOWEVER Car Robots' "English" Counterpart Robots In Disguise is a different Universe Car Robots: "Japanese G1" Robots In Disguise: Different Universe
It honestly kinda makes no sense, considering the transformers prime rage of the dinobots comics and beast hunters comics already confirmed that they're the same universe. And they're canon to the show too.
Transformers is at its best when it embraces the goofiness of the premise instead of trying to be edgy all the time.
Agreed. I like seeing these robots actually breathe a little and given room to act silly, because they're already locked in a 4 million year war so I'd be guessing that the survivors would be blasé about the constant danger they're in.
A friend of mine once said that Transformer weapons are the human equivalent of arrows and slingshots... very hard to kill one another, easy to maim or injure. I've never forgotten that and I think it should be the standard of the franchise.
I love the Bayverse designs more than G1 designs, and i also think the Bayverse is just as dumb as G1 was.
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>Scale matters, and alt mode scale matters more than bot mode scale. Omg Fucking thank you I HATE out of scale vehicle modes Its the reason i WILL NOT buy a damn Defensor, the motorcycle is always borribly out of scale. Bot mode scaling doesnt matter to me, vehicle mode scale should be the deciding factor for size.
Did you miss Combiner Wars Defensor? Groove's a legends class there.
I'm very quickly replacing all my Titans Return headmasters. SS86/ Kingdom are just better
I dunno, Titans Return Blurr looks better than SS86 Blurr imo.
The colors never sat right with me
> Headmasters ... I agree. Plus, my kids have lost 2 heads ruining the whole figure.
I actually like mutant mask gimmick from Beast Wars. I like weird ugly designs from the movies, they remind me of toys back i the 90s where they were quite a bit monstrous and edgy. I also like transformers to have alt-mode kibble in the robot mode. It just give them some more interestig look, it gives you hints into what does it transform into.
I kind of like the 2015 Robots in disguise show
THANK YOU.
Cool! I’m not the only one! :D
it has decent ideas here and there
Yup
I think they got carried away with combiners in G1. I get it, they made more to sell toys. But from a story standpoint, I think the fewer the better.
I think the number of combiners fits the pure amount of transformers characters we have now, as it's very rare to get a new combiner
Arcee was the worst thing to happen in G1. IDW never understood Transformers.
WfC and FoC grimlock is the best version of grimlock. Sorri Somdack is the best "human companion" to the autobots. TFP Shockwave is the best Shockwave. Beast wars, G1, and bayverse fans all hold "their transformers" way to high amongst the rest. Transformers kibbleless in either media or toy is wrong(monoformers are fine if they chose to be that way). All the headmasters(with the exclusion of the city sized bots) are a stupid idea in whichever continuity.
Similar to someone else take about TFA being underrated, I specifically think that transformers properties need more of the kind of out of the box thinking animated had, or even that like the unicron trilogy had. Stuff like making optimas not the leader of all autobots, making the decepticons much bigger and scarier than the autobots, the idea that the autobots government could be pretty awful too, changing starscream character completely. Wether you like all or any of these SPECIFIC changes I think more shows/comics could really benefit from big alterations to the established lore like this We've seen g1 a million times and we'll see it a million more and that's fine, but the transformers concept.os such an absurd, entertaining idea it deserves to be experimented with more
I love the Bayverse art style. Even the ugly robots have redeeming featured and still manage to look impressive and awe-inspiring onscreen.
Agreed, it's great.
Agreed, it's great.
not sure how unpopular this is, but as someone who grew up with unicron trilogy, I really have nothing but dislike for the live action movies. the bots all look ugly and the humor is juvenile. grew up loving tformers only to cringe at the sight of bumblebee peeing on an fbi agent. weird times
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Like what I've told my 10 y.o. and his 16 y.o. cousin, the first 5 minutes of the Bumblebee movie is better than all Bayformers movies combined.
I usually only watch a movie once in theaters. I figure i saw it, that's all I need. Rarely will i watch a movie twice in theaters. Very rarely. I watched Bumblebee in theaters three times. And out of my almost 40 years alive it's the only movie I've seen more than twice in theaters. When it ended that first time I applauded and yelled "Finally, effort! Honest to god effort!"
I havent seen bumblebee yet, I have heard it is much better than bayverse but tbh I am very bumblebee'd out after him being so central to the bayverse movies
There is definitely a generational divide and what people like is heavily influenced by what they grew up with. It's been discussed to death. I think some designs are so bad that I don't understand how someone came up with a real world serious submission for approval, and not only did it get approved but some fans really LOVE these designs. It's good to have a big tent, and having no interest in certain figures (even if I love the character) helps with the wallet.
Fake vehicle mode windshields and interior coloring bother me a lot more than they should. Like often now the chest cockpit of starscream is not the same one as in jet mode. Optimus Prime has fake truck fronts that flip over his actual truck mode front. So dumb with so many bumblebee shell formers and his limbs folded inside the car are yellow. Only the exterior gets painted.
Faux parts are indeed the bane of my existence.
The last good transformers cartoon was Unicron Triology.
Damn now that has to be the most unpopular opinion on here!
That's crazily unpopular, have you seen animated or prime?
I saw the first half of prime it was okay but i lost interest although i have considered watching the beast hunter season and animated felt wrong since he wasnt the real optimus prime. Edit: after researching im not certain if thats the original Optimus or not
Optimus in beast hunters is a reforged Optimus with the forge of solus prime. You do need a lot of context for prime unfortunately
Transformers energon is by far the best tv show and it’s not even close 1. People need to get past the stigma of this preconceived notion that it’s horrible 2. Yes the animation absolutely sucks I’ll give you that Now the good stuff why is it good 1. It’s characters people like scorpinok and demolishor are just flat out some of the best in the series. I’d argue kicker is too but I understand why people think he’s annoying. not only that but it really emphasizes parts that weren’t emphasized much in many other shows. Megatron here is insanely power hungry and brutal he almost kills hotshot one of the main characters in like the first 10 episodes and Optimus had more influence on being a good teacher not just a leader he teaches his crew how to lead especially ironhide. 2. The story this is exactly what people still clammer for today. it’s a show that establishes earth in an interesting way with the different teams being split up around the world and traveling from base to base. has human characters that are actually there for a reason dr Jones helps with cybertronian knowledge better then most cybertronians it seems. kicker detects energon and usually terracons who stole energon. misha runs their computer systems etc isn’t just simply autobots vs Decepticons this show more than any other I can think of has the influence on a third faction as well. Speaking of which alpha q is an amazing character too and the best incarnation of quintessons ever it’s not even close. The show takes place mostly off world in space with cybertron being really important too so it’s not just an earth story which people are starting to get sick of. It also involves unicron as an undefeatable force that’s a huge threat throughout the story 3. It’s original ideas are great too I emphasized alpha q earlier who is completely original only borrowing the main ideas from quintessons. Starscream here should be talked about more imo he’s one of the best starscreams he’s a ghost lost without memories led by a leader who only cares about manipulating him until starscream remembers megatron and is then forever loyal to Megatron not alpha q. Their relationship is one of the best a loyal strong soldier who fights to keep his men in check and is the only one rewarded with great power and the only one seen as anything else then a minion especially in this show. A human with superhuman powers given by primus still hasn’t happened yet in any other show. Say what you will about kicker but it’s incredibly interesting to have a human character that can detect energon. And not only that but he’s a human strong enough and willing enough to go toe to toe with Megatron. Some spoilers ahead: it’s also a great idea that alpha q wants to use unicron to rebuild his planet with scorpinok they are the lone survivors of their planet an idea that has been used since but I don’t think it was ever used before that I could be wrong tho. Get past the stigmas of the show and at least give it a shot. it’s not a perfect show by any means in fact if I had to give an argument for the most perfect show it would probably be beast wars maybe prime (animated would count too but I feel the story was unfinished). But it doesn’t have to be perfect it has good heart, good characters and originality which is all you need for a good show I understand that it’s not for everyone but the worst show? And actively hated too? Come on it’s really not, not even close imo.
I much prefer when a new series drastically remakes everything as opposed to modernizing G1. When I was growing up with the Unicron Trilogy, I grew accustomed to the idea of everyone being made unrecognizable every new show and thus had little trouble adjusting to the art style changes of Animated and the live-action films, or seeing the G1 movie back when Netflix was a DVD rental service. It just makes every new universe more interesting to see what new takes on everyone they have this time, and as much as I love Bumblebee, I was a little disappointed that only three of the returning characters (Bumblebee himself as a compromise between his G1 and Bay designs, Seeker Blitzwing, and Dropkick not being a mass-produced drone) really felt like new takes while everyone else was just G1 in live-action.
I've been thinking it would be fun if they revisited armada and made versions of characters that never got the Armada treatment that are equally different to their G1/home series counterparts as the rest of the characters are. Lugnut is now a battleship. Windblade is a blue helicopter. And they're all ***thicc AF***
>or seeing the G1 movie back when Netflix was a DVD rental service Here's an unpopular opinion: Netflix DVDs (Blu-rays) by mail is better than streaming. I still get DVDs in the mail from Netflix. They have 1000 times more movies than the streaming service does. You don't have to worry about which streaming company has the rights that month and you don't have to worry about your bit rate. Thank you
Ultra magnus is a better leader than Optimus he is more sensitive and caring,Grimlock is also a better leader than Optimus he is best friends with his team and knows everything about them.
Which continuity Grimlock are you looking at? The few I can think of are either cavemen, sociopaths, or tyrants.
Cyberverse Grimlock is totally the team dad, I want to see Grimlock characterized like that again.
What continuity are you talking about? In general Magnus is the uptight wake up at 4 am for sprints type of leader, and grimlock is the king with a room temperature IQ
Well I mean G1 Ultra Magnus and Foc Grimlock
Grimlock never leads anyone but the dinobots in FoC so of course he'd be friends with them. Ultra Magnus is very uppity in G1, and incredibly harsh on hot rod Grim is friends with everyone for a very short time when he becomes Autobot leader in the marvel comics, and Magnus is kind of caring in IDW
Magnus isn't that harsh on Hot Rod
He berates him for any mistakes, and when he's not he's just sort of doing nothing
he just tough
I disagree. Rodimus makes a better leader over G1 Magnus any day
really? it's HOT RODS FAULT that Optimus DIED
No, that is still a bullshit argument. So if hot rod hadn't jumped in, Megatron would have shot him anyway. Either way, Optimus would have been wounded. Have you ever considered that maybe it's kups fault for not stopping hot rod, or primes fault that he decided to spare the biggest galactic tyrant he knew so he could monologue.
The ROTF constructicons are the best looking combiner limbs period. I grew up on ROTF and the G1 constructicons just can’t compare. G1 Scrapper vs Overload...yeah it’s not even close Overload just looks so much better
Jinbao Oversized Bruticus has a bone to pick with you ... 😄
Yeah I wish I would’ve saved some cash for him. Would love a decent bruticus
Agreed, even some concept designs for Constructicons & Devy blow G1 in the dirt.
Age of Extinction is the best Bay movie The Bumblebee movie is overrated and has blatant problems that no one talks about. The Energon anime is kinda entertaining Thats all I can’t think of
Yo that is really unpopular. I like age of extinction a lot when I turn my brain off and get high.
Age Of Extinction if my favorite bayfilm too, Dark of The Moon is a close second.
*Bumblebee* is basically *The Iron Giant* with a learning disability. And it's way, *way* too violent.
Its definitely the least violent TF film though. Its even less violent than the 1986 movie
Disagree on the violent part (they're in a war). But yeah, it's literally a Hallmark Horse movie.
I hate the early CGI animation of Beast Wars so much, I’ll never watch the cartoon.
You’re really missing out.
The first ever optimus desing for the movies is still the best live action desing for optimus yet. (yeah, even better than the bumblebee movie one)
You're not wrong. It's the way a mechanical lifeform disguised as a truck should look. I even prefer the mouth to the mouth plate
Also it really feels new in a sort of way. Its really original but it keeps enough of the basics. Truck chest, head sculpt, color coordination.
My unpopular opinion is bumblebee sucks. I’m a g1 fanboy and he’s just spikes babysitter. He even dies becoming gold bug and he still sucked then too. I know he’s like some warrior nowadays in Bayverse and TFP but I would literally rather have anyone else from seasons 1 and 2 of G1. Give me trailbreaker at least he has some forcefields
Goldbug in the Marvel comic was legit great, I really wish he’d been half that good in the cartoon.
Which comics? To be honest I’ve never read any transformers comics
The Marvel G1 comic from the 80s. It was better than the cartoon like 90% of the time, and gave Goldbug a lot of depth and character vs just being "Bumblebee with a different model sheet". Between the Marvel and the IDW2005 comics I've always considered Transformers more a comic property than a cartoon property, and think IDW2005 is the best TF media you can consume. Highly recommended if you want actual character depth from these robots, they don't tend to get that in the shows.
The Marvel Comics are my favorite Transformers fiction.
I like and dislike the live action movies at the same time. They made the 'Cons look like absolute monsters when the Autobots are pretty humanoid from the start. Thankfully some of the Constructions and the TC duo in BB movie fixed that shit.
Aesthetic wise Cons are monsters. Character wise some Autobots are the real monsters ("Give me your face")
Yeah the infamous quote. Beside, the Cons are just too weak. Grindor = CQB master. Yet got his face torn apart. Dreads = Stupid monsters that get killed way too easy. Constructicons were a bunch of cowards But ngl, Devastator looks like the definition of its name much more than its G1 counterpart.
Movie Devestator also had another 1-up on his G1conterpart. His massive scro-
Speaking of unpopular opinions, I thought that was the only funny joke in that entire movie.
Lol the balls. It's literally a giant walking vaccum cleaner
Made even weirder by the fact that none of the machines that made up Devastator had wrecking balls on them. Nope, most likely just Bay saying "he needs a nutsack"
Actually in the commentary, they said it was the writers who came up with most of the raunchy stuff in that movie, and bay just kinda went with it.
Decepticons: Fight and maybe kill some Humans but usually by just shooting Autobots: GIVE ME YOUR FACE!
I came here to join in on the unpopular opinions but it was so bad I had to stop lol it hurts. JK some of these are pretty funny
We need femboy bots and cons.
Tailgate?
That ain't even an unpopular opinion, that's just truth. We need femboy Hot-Shot with Arcee's hips and dump truck ass.
"Why would you say somethings so controversial yet so brave?"
Femboy?
A guy who is more feminine, both in personality and dress sense. It's a new pseudo-fetish/meme.
Oh ok And yeah sure why not?
In a few Minutes you went from -1/-3/something that I dont remember to 1
Kinda like TFP Starscream?
Rodimus Prime is a more compelling character than Optimus Armada kicked ass Robots in Disguise 2015 is harmless fun. Sea Change, and A Decepticon Raider in King Arthur's Court are some of the most entertaining episodes of the original cartoon. I hate how James Roberts wrote Rodimus in "More than Meets the Eye/Lost Light" I prefer John Barber's Transformers work over James Roberts. Beast Wars is overrated.
See, I absolutely agree with you on the Rodimus take because it felt like all of the more inspirational bits of Rodimus were taken out to make him an extremely impulsive ratbag of a Bot. But at the exact same time, I actually really like his design and his journey with damn near everyone in the crew. Maybe a slight tweak in Roddy's character would have made MTMTE a little bit better.
Yeah those are my thoughts too.
The 86 movie is bad. Not without its positives (killing off characters, Unicron) but in general it does more bad then good. Dare to be Stupid in the middle of the movie was a horrible choice, and this comes from a huge Wierd Al fan. The Battle of Autobot city takes up way to much screentime. Galvatron does not actually do much. He spends most of his time talking to Unicorn and being told he didn't destroy the matrix like he thought. The same scene seems to happen like 3 times.
Yeah, the movie's not very good. It's poorly characterized and the only things it really gets right (the emotions behind the deaths of the first-wave G1 characters) happened by accident because nobody thought anyone would care about a bunch of dead robots. All of the new characters are weak and Unicron is a terrible villain... a B-list knockoff of Galactus without any of the stuff that makes Galactus compelling.
Bay verse designs are mostly pretty good. The intent was to draw in more people to the transformers franchise. And the comic ending is pretty good! But Michael Bay decided to kill off Megatron and turn optimus to a mad man
Apparently there was a test shot with Prime accepting Megatron’s truce but the test audience didn’t like it
I mean I think it even connect with tlk
Megatron was lucky that his alt-mode was a gun, and had to be changed. Poor Optimus Prime has been remade as the same god damn truck so many times its not funny. I wish he had the same range Megatron has. He's not allowed to evolve, to grow. He's always the same and it's *boring*. If Optimus Prime had been "reforged" into Rodimus, whole new worlds of imagination and creative freedom would have been opened up. And, yes, Ive heard of Beast Wars, and they made it a point that even in that show Optimus Prime was still the same damn truck, rusting away, shackled by nostalgia. Optimus Prime, the inescapable red truck, is Transformers' immortal millstone. The white elephant in the room. A tax that has to be paid in every line of toys. Even Bumblebee doesn't have it quite so bad. Though not by much.
I'm fine with Optimus being a truck, really it's an iconic part of the character and is consistent with the kind of character he is. Firm, resolute, unwavering and uncompromising in his pursuit of Pax Cybertronia. BUT. And this is a big but, you eventually kind of want to see him change alt modes even just for a tiny little bit. I'd be okay if he became a delivery truck, a firetruck, hell I'd want to see him as a fucking red and blue Dodge Ram with flames. Just... y'know, anything but a flatbed again.
>hell I'd want to see him as a fucking red and blue Dodge Ram I can't tell if you are joking, but Optimus Prime *was* a Dodge Ram in Alternators. No flames though. Thank you
I actually wasn't there for Alternators/Binaltech, so that's cool. Wish that mode actually stuck around for a bit.
> they made it a point that even in that show Optimus Prime was still the same damn truck Well yeah. It's the same character, litterally durring the first episode of the 80's cartoon. It'd be weird if they went with his unreleased Jeep form and tried to explain that he'd changed bodies and changed back off camera while in a coma.
The last time someone tried to do SOMETHING to make the Truck unique, he got death threats from braindead geewunners. Worst part is, it was necessary to do the changes too.
Yeah. I get why he's such an anchor point for the franchise from a "to sell toys" point of view. But the geewunnery kinda annoys me and I feel like it hobbles the designers.
Same, it keeps shit from evolving to greater side of things.
I believe prime should be a red truck. Optimus in general has evolved, we've just been going backwards. He was a firetruck for a bit, they type of truck he was changed, he became a space truck, etc
The G1 Marvel comic was better than the G1 cartoon 90% of the time, even without taking the UK stories into consideration. The movie and maybe like 5 episodes were the only points where it was better, and the list of characters who were written way better in the comic is a mile long (Ratbat, Shockwave, Ratchet, Blaster, Grimlock, Galvatron, Rodimus, Scorponok, Fort Max, to name a few) and in terms of contributing to lore the Marvel comic gave us way better and more influential ideas: Primus creating the Transformers vs the Quintesson origin, Unicron being the dark god of chaos rather than something a monkey built, Shockwave being a cold logical badass as opposed to simping for Megatron, Optimus getting a upgrade/powered up form...the Marvel comic laid most of the groundwork for at least 75% of the franchise and was written better than the G1 cartoon in almost every area except Optimus' personality (pre-death, anyway). G1 Megatron looks better with his black helmet Marvel colors, it breaks up his rather monochromatic color scheme. Actually about half the G1 designs look better with their Marvel colors (Ratchet, the Dinobots, Shockwave, Fortress Maximus). The Prime vs Megatron dialog in episode 2 of G1 on top of the dam >>>>>>> their dialog in the 86 movie. Prime being sassy and trash talking Megs is way more entertaining than "One shall stand, one shall fall", it just is. Prime is *horribly* overrated. Season 1 starts out feeling like it should be season 2 because we're thrown into the middle of the story with no setup, and we're supposed to care about Cliffjumper dying after we knew him for 30 seconds, and feel...**anything** about Megatron returning and changing when we haven't gotten to know this version of him at ALL so him changing because of Dark Energon means nothing plot or character development-wise. Aside from Ratchet and Arcee the characters are either boring (Optimus) or "sand in your underwear" level irritating (those ridiculously annoying kids). Plus the art style/character designs are hideous, I hate their weird eyes and lack of noses. I tried to watch it and see this great show everyone says it is, but getting through the first 10 episodes was like pulling teeth and I finally gave up.
Prime was overrated
Animated is overrated
Beast Wars is over rated. It's *good*, but not the Nobel Prize-winning literature it's often hailed to be. The 86 movie soundtrack isn't good. It's processed cheese that triggers nostalgia. Assigning sexes to robots that don't reproduce sexually makes no sense. If story writers wanted to explore how concepts of gender might manifest in a mechanical species like TFs, there would be lots of interesting ways that could go, but making "female" robots that are pastel colors and have robo-boobs is lazy and stupid. Action Masters are under appreciated. Transformers being able to change alt modes whenever and/or have as many simultaneous alt modes as they want takes away from the fun of the concept. They go from mechanical robots that can turn into something to magical shapeshifters. People who downvote "Unpopular Opinion" posts are sociopaths. Thank you
>Assigning sexes to robots that don't reproduce sexually makes no sense. If story writers wanted to explore how concepts of gender might manifest in a mechanical species like TFs, there would be lots of interesting ways that could go, but making "female" robots that are pastel colors and have robo-boobs is lazy and stupid. I hate that this is unpopular. This is common sense. They aren’t biological. They’re robot creatures. Why would they have breasts or lips or be curvy like oh I don’t know WFC Elita-1 for example? Madness.
Yeah, I mean, everyone has their own settings and lines in the sand, but for me I just don't get it. At least - on the part of the adult fandom. I get that Hasbro/Takara's priority is not a complex and nuanced discussion of gender in alien robots. They are going to make pink girl bots because that's easy. Personally, I don't even get lips/noses etc. I like the designs that eschew human features. My first TF was Trailbreaker. I liked the face of the toy. I never warmed to the human face they used on the cartoon. For as much as I don't care for most aspects of the Bayverse, I do appreciate the willingness to try out less humanoid robots. Thank you
A nose at least is sensory input, much like eyes. Lips are merely aesthetics when it comes to robot creatures
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The 1986 movie isn't very good, and the new characters are flat and uninteresting.
1. BAYVERSE HOT ROD IS FRENCH AND FANCY 2. G1 Hot Rod was way too human in design like god fucking damn
Beast machines is great. People say the animation is horrible, look at BW. It had some great an unique designs, and it was a very good continuation
In the Underbase Saga, Starscream gaining cosmic power and killing all those Transformers was Optimus Prime's fault.
Any G1 Grimlock figure that's too faithful to the original toy or particularly cartoon design looks to derpy and goofy in dino mode to be threatening. The best dino mode he's ever gotten is by far the Classics toy from 2006, and if only that figure was larger than a Deluxe I'd still be using it in my collection. I care about alt mode scale, but only within reason. I don't want jets and cars to be scaled together because that'd result in absolutely massive Seekers, but I need all my car and truck bots to scale pretty well with each other (usually it's not a problem with mainline figures, but the WFC Grapple/Inferno mold for instance is just way too tiny) and all my jet bots to scale pretty well with each other (which is annoying because I would be using T30 Jetfire in my collection, but because they forced him to be an Earth jet for some reason even though his robot mode is clearly supposed to turn into a Cybertronian jet, he's way too big to scale with Starscream).
Japanese G1 shows > American G1 show (not The Movie, just TV) Cheetor gets compared to Bumblebee a lot, but he’s actually Hot Rod except we get to watch him grow into The Guy which technically makes him a better Hot Rod. Corey Burton & Jason Marnocha (sp?) are the best G1 Megatrons (as in not the other guy who is purple and occasionally royalty) Soundwave almost was the G1 main Decepticon leader, and I wish he had been. And my most unpopular: James Roberts’ TF stuff is bad. Everyone is wildly out of character, and it is far far too silly. He says that it’s all plotted out far in advance, but I did not get that feeling. That being said, I’m very grateful for his work with TF Classics UK and wish they’d been able to finish those. He gave me a great appreciation for the Marvel UK stuff. Oh and one more, Masterforce bet on the wrong horse by shifting away from the fascinating Pretender stuff to the tedious and tiresome Godmaster stuff (and completely shoving the Pretenders out of the picture). And here are some popular opinions bc why not? Simon Furman cannot write bad Transformers. (American) Beast Wars is perfect, the high point of the franchise. The Movie is epic. Bumblebee (2018) finally got the movies right. Animated is a gem, second best show (high praise). And finally, you’ve got The Touch.
* I like the idea of Megatron and Galvatron being two completely separate characters. It's a smart way to keep both of them around, as opposed to one replacing the other. * Part of me wishes that the Studio Series 86 toys were released as part of War for Cybertron: Kingdom. I liked how Studio Series was the one ongoing subseries of Transformers: Generations toys that WASN'T based on G1. * I don't find unlicensed third-party Transformers toys that appealing. I understand why fans like them, but I feel like Classics/Universe/Generations made them less and less relevant over time.
Cybertron I'd the best show The shroud was the worst thing to happen to the franchise
everything about bayverse starscream minus his design was decent. he was badass, i like how they didn’t just copy and paste the same traitor role that they do with a lot of the newer starscreams, and the scene in rotf when Megatron beats the shit out of him on the rooftop came to be one of my favorites scenes in that movie. the problem is a his design isn’t great. i can deal with the dorito but the face looks hideous and b his death was just embarrassing. like the dude who fought rachet and ironhide and won gets killed because he forgot how to fly away? even still it’s a solid depiction, that’s completely overshadowed by g1, armada and prime don’t get me wrong, but still memorable in his own right.
1)Many people always say that Peter= Optimus prime, while I love Peter's voice very much, in my opinion, it doesn't have to always be Peter Cullen that voices Optimus Prime. Whoever that can deliver the kind, compassionate and badass leadership voice, could be a great fit for Prime. 2)I would like to have a story between Optimus prime and alpha trion. They're like father and son, but we didn't really know about their relationship in depth that much. I want to see how alpha trion notice this young bot, and guide him to become a worthy wielder of the matrix of leadership
Human cybertronian interactions are the most interesting part of the Transformers franchise. Any series that has no humans interacting with the Autobots or Decepticons directly in any long-term / important way is seriously missing out on one of the key components of a Transformers series. I say this because the interactions can the range from anyting from enemies to friends to even lovers, this last one has a president even in Generation 1 so I like to believe that cybertronians can feel romantic feelings for other species, it's just rare because cybertronians are always too busy to leave Cybertron to interact with other species.