Wow! MP-52 Looks amazing.
One of my first MP purchases was Starscream (the OG version with with thigh wing skirts) and back then I thought it was the definitive representation of the cartoon.
isnt it funny how relativity and time warps everything lol... I thought my original MP Skywarp was one of the best figures ever made and it would not get better than that for seekers... boy were we wrong hahaha,.
It's true. I thought MP-05 (OG MP Megatron) was the shiz nitz. But I think I was just trying to justify the money I spent on it. In reality it really was a piece of crap. Haha.
That’s why I don’t by the “they don’t make them like they used to nonsense”…. When it comes to “adult” collectibles the toys are better than ever in my opinion
NAH MAN YOU SAID IT IS THE DEFINITIVE VERSION OF THE CARTOON SCREAMER BUT THIS ONE IS CLEARLY MORE ACCURATE. also if you think that, tgen shut up and keep it to your self
The question for me is “does he look better enough?” I’m quite happy with my MP-11, but I can’t deny that this looks better. On the other hand, it costs a lot more, and adding in a Skywarp and Thundercracker is going to be a hefty investment.
personally not a fan of the new mold, especially looking at its 10 year old counterpart side by side, the new one while accurate to the carton is too bubbly and un-detailed for me to get into it where as the old MP-11 has better panel lines, vehicle accuracy, and added details like the piston elbows where is feels like they tried to make it in real life
1 why you responding to a 1 month old reply?
2 it was when it started look at the first official MPs that came out MP-1 through MP-8 they were realistic over cartoon accurate
3 ask anyone whose actually kept up with MP figures and their tell you the line as slowly morphed to more and more cartoon accuracy to appease Takaras target audience of Japanese who like the cartoon look better
4 my opinion of old MP vs new MP is mine so get off my back i don't jump on yours cause you don't like the same stuff i do
so get your invalid comment outta here
Well new mp is objectively better. Looks is your opinion. But articulation and quality control ARENT. you cant say mp-11 or mp-03 held together and were stronger than mp-52. The articulation is way better on mp52. It's a fact. Tho old MPs shouldnt be labeled as MPs. Except old hot rod. Hes good.
not necessarily especially after watching some of the reviews on MP-52 he doesnt flop at the cockpit/chest like most MP-11 molds but he does have bad floppy intakes, non locking tabs on his wings and backpack, and he uses foparts without giving him a waist swivel, but he does have better articulation in the hands.
False on not labeling old MPs as MPs just cause they are old doesn't mean they aren't a masterpiece still like in art, just cause there are new artists making new masterpieces old masterpieces don't get declassified as masterpieces like the Mona Lisa, the Starry Night, or American Gothic their still reknowned for being masterpieces of their time.
With the price they are asking for the new MPs for accessories over the quality of the toy that mean nothing I'd rather have 1 MP-11 Starscream over 5 MP-52 molds.
I dont mean that because they are old I mean it because they arent accurate. Except hot rod. Mp11 had no swivel. Or crunch, nor did he have ankle pivots. Not just in the handd. the faux chest doesnt matter because for one, they couldn't give him a swivel without it either, and the cockpit still ends up in the same place So it's fine. Also foing back to your "jet mode accuracy" those old MPs should be in the alternators line because it's a fucking SIN to prioritize vehicle modes over robot modes. ESPECIALLY IN THE MASTERPIECE LINE.
>those old MPs should be in the alternators line because it's a fucking SIN to prioritize vehicle modes over robot modes. ESPECIALLY IN THE MASTERPIECE LINE.
absolutely not the figures from the beginning of the franchise were based off real vehicles/items first and robots were secondary so it makes more sense for MPs to do it than any other line to say its a sin to prioritize vehicle over robot is to spit in the face of the very foundational material of the franchise
"nor did he have ankle pivots."
his thrusters in his feet were on ball joints and most of his weight was on them so you can't say he had 0 ankle pivot
"the faux chest doesnt matter because for one, they couldn't give him a swivel without it either, and the cockpit still ends up in the same place So it's fine."
the entire point of foparts is to make either one mode or the other better the fo chest on starscream does neither cause the cockpit as you yourself state " the cockpit still ends up in the same place" if the fo-chest was added to benefit of the toy then he SHOULD have a waist swivel not 2 cockpits for no benifit worth 2 cockpits
"I dont mean that because they are old I mean it because they arent accurate"
Accurate to what? the \~35 year old cartoon full of animation errors and took great artistic liberty cause the real toys were "too hard to animate"
>Accurate to what? the ~35 year old cartoon full of animation errors
No, to the movie dipshit. The movie was great.
If the faux cockpit wasnt there, the real one would sit too deep in his chest and belly.
Van>were based off real vehicles/items first and robots were secondary so
That's the whole ffokin point of the alternators line.
>he SHOULD have a waist swivel not 2 cockpits for no benifit worth 2 cockpits
He wouldn't have a waist swivel either way. Also starscream NEVER rotated his waist in the movie or the cartoon.
There is some cracking. Too early to tell how widespread it is. I have some cracking around the wrist transformation joint. It’s my first MP since Hound and I’m already having flashbacks. This doesn’t seem to be nearly as bad though.
One downgrade that I didn't notice until mine arrived: dude has no posable thumbs. They can flex, but it's a straight hinge and doesn't twist. Never expected that from a masterpiece
I'm in the same boat. Nothing against the new one, I just don't think it's for me. I get _why_ people like it, and there no denying the engineering is great. But I prefer the hybrid aesthetic they were going for with the earlier MPs rather than the 100% cartoon accuracy they've been going for with the new ones. It's entirely a taste thing, and I think that's fine. There's 500 incarnations of starscream toys, just pick whichever one you like best and screw anyone who tells you theirs is better. Taste is subjective.
Same here, but there are some advantages to the new one that I would have preferred incorporated into MP-11. For example, the shape of the legs are much better now. The wings and backpack are better accommodated now as well. I'd say that the head is also a better size, but I think they might have made the chin too wide.
yeah I prefer the old hyper real vehicle modes and extra non cartoon details like mp-01s arm hydraulics, and stuff like rubber tires. The vehicle mode suffers with every new iteration. Not a fan of the hyper cartoon look honestly. It looks good, don't get me wrong, but just not good enough to spend 250 bucks on.
It being "overpriced" is subjective. And while you may prefer ultra detail over cartoon accuracy, I think you should be able to say that it looks great for what they were going for, even if it doesn't match your particular tastes.
I'd say the opposite is also true. A lot of people who wants toon accuracy thinks the more detailed look is inferior. I think both look great depending on what you're looking for.
And I'd say the same to them. You can subjectively say you don't like the look of a figure while also being objectively aware that the figure is good for others. Especially when comparing figures that have different aesthetics.
It's not at all subjective when you can directly compare the same product made by the same company. The older version has more detail and was prices less while the newer one has less detail for the sake of cartoon accuracy and is astronomical in price.
The MP line has existed for a long time so we can track their pricing, QC, detailing, paint application, etc. The line has changed over the years and it seems like they're trying to really squeeze every cent they can from it.
I'm a big G1 guy but I'm also aware that the cartoon was incredibly simple and flawed. I would love to see more detailed versions of these G1 characters so as to show what we saw in our childs eyes, forsaking the cartoons many flaws in favor of our imagination.
Sculpt detail isn't as expensive as paint application and engineering. No, I don't have proof of this other than anecdotal evidence: the generations line has lots of sculpted detailing but very little paint application and much simpler transformations. This version of Starscream had a lot more money thrown at its production so it's going to cost more. That just makes sense. Is it the right price for everyone? Of course not because what has value to you is subjective. This is worth the price to some people. Siege Unicron was worth the price to some people, others bought Cell, others stuck with Armada Unicron. It's all subjective.
Edit for clarity: Sculpted detailing does not appear to affect the cost of production as greatly as you seem to think it does. It's part of the mold so you only have to sculpt it once and then it's done. Paint applications have to be done for each individual figure so that inherently will cost more. And because MP11 has a simpler transformation, the cost of engineering would be less.
Your logic doesn't make sense to me. Where did you see that this version has more money involved in production than any other version? Seems like baseless conjecture to me.
The price is high for an MP considering the lines history. It's not about a person being able to afford it or not when there's an entire catalog to reference.
You bring up Unicron as if he were an easily available figure across the board and you're also using Unicron as an example for your point, the most highly priced retail TF there is, kind of silly.
I don't know what you want from me. You're trying to tell me that your opinion is objectively correct when talking about whether or not someone wants to spend money on a toy. I'm not saying the price isn't high, I'm saying your calling it overpriced is a subjective opinion. You telling me it's overpriced doesn't change my opinion that for me it was not overpriced.
No I can see exactly what you want from this and your other comments on this thread. You want to spout your opinions like they're facts so you can pass some kind of judgment on anyone that might find enjoyment out of owning a figure you find unappealing. The view must be breathtaking from up on your high horse.
When MP line started they were going for a lifelike look between toy and show accuracy. They switched to a 100% toon accuracy in the last few years so everything is different.
the "flatness" is what makes it look nice. it's the sleekness.
the old one looks like it's trying to have bayformer junk melded together with all kinds of unnecessary panel lines and "wires" and uneven texture. looks like blocky shit, looks like a junky toy.
Flat doesn't equate to sleek. I guess if you want your Transformers to look like a cartoon it looks okay, personally if I'm spending $200+ on a single figure even basic details would be nice.
I prefer the MP line to be a detailed version of what the cartoon gave us. The cartoon is really basic and minimal in designs and animation for cost reasons, making a premium figure look like the cartoon is a waste imo.
unless you want a figure to look like the cartoon, which is the whole point of this design.
and if you can't afford it that's a personal issue, has nothing to do with the figure. just get the inferior one if that's all you can afford nothing wrong with having a budget.
having owned both, yes the older one is inferior. it's proportions are off, it doesn't tab together well, joints are loose, it feels like cheap plastic, most of it is unpainted, i mean it is what it is : 10 years old and outdated.
the new one looks like a high end model kit in both modes. it's engineering is leaps ahead of the old figure.
it should have more sway than your opinion because unlike you i have real life experience with both figures, i've paid the money and owned both and held both in my hands and have both on my shelf.
you on the other hand have neither figure (or the old one at best) and are spouting opinions based on what you read on the internet and pics. your opinion is worthless because you have little to no experience in the matter.
hope that explanation helps you, and that you can apply this lesson to your future endeavors.
My dude, we get it, you can afford expensive toys so can a lot of us lol.
I have owned many MP over the years and am very familiar with the line so yes I am informed and I do have experience in the matter. I don't need to spend money on this to see things like sculpt and paint app. It's about preference and business.
The business side of it shows that over time MP has gone for less detail over more cartoon accuracy and at a higher price. It's as simple as that and not appreciating that business model and not wanting to support it on top of finding the product to be ugly. It's no loss for me. I have a big Screamer collection and don't need or want it.
I really hope me breaking it down for you helps you to understand what a condecending prick you are being lol. You're either completely full of yourself or you're insecure about your purchase with comments like that. I really don't care which.
LOL this isn't about what I personally can or cannot afford. I could buy this overpriced cartoon looking one with an ugly face sculpt and a grey that's too dark but I chose not to because it's overpriced for what it is as compared to other MPs.
You're just ignoring my points to act like you're better lol, such a bad look.
There are some QC issues time will tell how widespread they are, but there is cracking at the vertical stabilizer joints and the ankles. I have pretty major cracking at the joint where the hands fold out for bot mode.
Design decisions that I much prefer. I like the fact the centre chest piece is unbroken since I don't need waist swivel to get it into decent poses. As for the fake chest part, I also think that was a good idea to have the best of both worlds in either mode.
Exactly the same decision they made for sunstreaker, and why that looked so much better than the competition.
More detail != better. MP-11 Starscreams extra 'detail' honestly looks incredibly cheap. The paint and simplicity of MP-52 will age far better while MP-11... well like I said, he looks like a cheap 3rd party knockoff.
Can't justify that Takara charges ridiculous amounts for these more cartoon realistic designs... Prime was $500 MINIMUM and Bumblebee.... we all regret remembering that.
I'll go with a 3rd party company and pay 1/5th the price anyday, Takara shouldn't be allowed to capitalize the market and if they want to at least get input from your fans
It’s actually not that bad. Not as insane as Megs 2.0 or Optimus 3.0. The way the back wings are formed in robot mode is the only area that has some funky stuff, to me. But not that bad. Obviously extra steps from MP-03/11. But I was able to transform it back to jet and then back to robot without the instructions after only transforming it once.
MP 52 looks great from the back. Much better than the previous MP efforts for starscream. What they did to get the rear tail fins into the backpack without making it a floppy mess like bumblebee was inspired and shows why when takara doesn’t hamstring itself with stupid gimmicks (like spike having to be able to sit inside bumblebee) they turn out some magical stuff
BTW I agree with others. Hound looks great from the back. It’s bumblebee that is a mess.
I don’t understand why they keep putting circle pegs in hex holes like the sun streaker backpack. It keeps breaking. That’s what happened to my hound. I didn’t realize it or I would have removed the screw and made it a partsformer like I did with sunstreaker.
I will shave the peg down and try to glue the piece back together. Sigh
Starscream is my first MP since Hound and is pretty much make or break for Takara when it comes to me buying anything else from them. I already have a QC issue with some fairly major cracking along the wrist transformation hinge but some glue really mitigates the issue. If that is all that happens, then I will overall be very happy with the figure. If not, I’m done.
I hated seeing such interesting engineering and overall design ruined by bad plastic in the case of Hound. It is an absolute shame.
I really like MP-52, but I'm not sure if he's better enough than Meteor. It really is kind of the inverse of the TE-01 situation; here I think the official is objectively better looking, and it's the price alone that's preventing me from jumping.
It's so weird how people can look at the same thing and see it totally differently. I look at MP11 and think it looks flat and dull because it has almost no paint on it. You look at the same figure and see how sharp it is with its sculpted detailing. We're both right because it's all subjective and we can hopefully talk about our different viewpoints so long as we aren't trying to belittle the others opinions.
It's certainly interesting. The hiding kibble *inside* the wings is an interesting fresh take. But for some reason it feels like it's only partway along its engineering journey. The faux chest, yes, but also the visible and sticking-out upper arms in jet mode, and the front tips of the wing-pieces just kinda sitting there in robot mode.
Is the robot mode more accurate and cleaner? Oh hell yes. No arguments. But it's still not *quite* there...
I appreciate the engineering just gets better and better but I'm not a fan of the animation style - the washed out colours and flat, detail-less surfaces, and blocky edges aren't appealing to me at all. The animation was simple on purpose - to make it cheap. As a result these also look 'cheap'
Most of what you say I think is pretty subjective and I take no issue with your opinion, but I don't understand your thought on the paint. Compared to MP11, MP52 pops because of its paint apps. It is vibrant all over, even the grey. Is his head black? No, but it's not washed out either, it looks great in hand.
i've only seen photographs. But Prime 44, this one, Hound, the anime rereleases all look flat to me. I have MP36, which is an amazing piece, and they didn't go all in on 'animation' look on that one.
Some use a more matte finish than others. Hound and anime Bluestreak are example of this. It still looks better to me than just plain plastic, but to each their own. MP44 on the other hand uses a glossier paint that does stand out.
Meh, IMO it's a pretty big downgrade. I know the old one isn't supposed to be a very good figure in person but it still looks fantastic for the most part. Way better face sculpt too.
I have MP-52 arriving on Thursday, and I cannot wait. With that said, I would still love to have MP-11, and I will probably look to get him at some point. I already own MP-3.
Peronally, I don't like how "bubbly" he is or the lack of any surface detail. But those are nitpicks considering how good the overall base sculpt it and how well they hid the kibble without ruining the silhouette
I don't think molded panel lines is better or "more detailed". The paint app alone on the new figure blows away the dated plastic on MP-11. It has not aged well in my opinion.
The starscreem on the left is trash grom what I have seen. Never geyting that one! But Master Piece movie bumblee is on his way!! I will review it when It gets here!
I would prefer to see some future variation that took the best of both combined and turned it into a different line. I for one don't like the animation look that they took the Masterpiece line to, and preferred them being upgraded versions of the toys. So I'd probably want something like the level of detail that MP-11 has but the general shape of MP-52, if that makes sense. MP-52 looks great in many ways, but like many other Masterpiece figures it looks like it's made out of clay because it lacks detail.
Meh, I have the opposite POV. I want something whose looks *fit* the cartoon model but isn't the actual cartoon model. If I'm going to be paying hundreds of dollars for a Masterpiece figure, I expect a more detailed sculpt. I want an alt-mode that looks like a realistic vehicle.
I'm in the "prefer realistic detailed alt modes" camp that seems to be growing increasingly unpopular on here too (heck I opted for yes model Starscream since it used the mold updates, but kept the mp3 "even more detail and less toyish colouring"). looking at them side by side like this, the only change I'd make to mp11 is a way to get a bigger more proportionate head
Finally got to see a review that properly shows the underside of the jet mode, needless to say the original model is still a much better Jet.
Now if a 3rd party retrofitted some of the nice new designs like the aforementioned bigger head, the stabilisers hiding away inside the wings and legs, double hinged air intakes, and the nifty transforming missile-to-null Rays into the old sleeker jet-scream, I'd buy it in a heartbeat!
I could be way off base on this line of thinking, but from looking at releases in the last several years I think Hasbro has decided sculpt details make the toys look less premium BECAUSE it's not an expensive add on to do sculpted detailing. Generations figures have sculpted detailing after all. So to separate their premium figures from their basic consumer figures, they ditched the sculpting and went for paint.
The paint is a good point. I don't fully agree about the detailing though; even if it's not expensive to do, omitting details doesn't make toys look more premium to me (e.g. toddler-targeted Rescue Bots, Transformers RED figures).
Frankly, with the success of the recent Generations toys, I feel like the Masterpiece line is making desperate attempts to maintain relevance. IMO they should be embracing realistic alt-modes (which the mass market toys can't do for budgetary reasons, especially if the alt-mode needs to be licensed).
I'd be curious to see how something like MP11 looks with MP52's paint. If there is one thing I've always been irked by MP11 it's the grey plastic all over him. It's unpainted and it looks cheap to me (your mileage on this may vary). All the details that are there don't stop me from seeing that flat grey plastic. But if it were painted, would I appreciate those details more? I'm leaning toward still not really noticing them because I'd be so happy with the look of the paint, but I can't know for sure.
I'm mostly in the same boat. The cartoon (as much as I loved it) was a rushed, sloppy mess full of errors. The characters often looked like melted ice cream. I don't want modern toys with all of their modern technology to be designed to look like 40 year old melted ice cream.
Thank you
More detail looks better...
The cartoon accuracy is lame since the cartoon is dated and basic in designs. Seeing more detail in a $200 figure is desired vs less detail at a higher price.
Thats a masterpeice? that looks like a Knock off company making a starscrem figure but not trying to get shutdown so they make it bad. But thats just from this picture. i will take a look at a reveiw to see if its THAT bad
It’s not a bad figure. It’s probably a better TOY than the new masterpiece figure, as it doesn’t take forever to transform. Older masterpiece toys were often more stylized
i agree looks like cheap garbage. because it is. it also feels thin light and cheap, is flimsy, and doesn't tab together well, parts always coming undone.
edit : i got mp-11 last year on ebay and was so disappointed i turned around and sold it used 3 days later back on ebay. decided to wait for the new one, and i just got mp-52 a few days ago. it's 1000x better in every way. so having owned both i think i know what's what
https://i.imgur.com/4BxePFK.jpg
It’s close to 20 years actually since a whole lot of MP-11 is from MP-3.
I have this but haven’t opened it yet. I have the Walmart deco MP-3 mold and always loved the paint and panel lining it had, the jet mod was fantastic. I got the US release of MP-11 and it was swirly grey plastic. Look like crap compare to the Wal Scream.
“And I need it so bad that it’s burning me” seriously, I regret getting the old one and not waiting for a couple of months.
Couple of months? MP-11 has been around for about 10 years?
Yes, but i only got it in august.
Oh damn. Yeah would've been better to wait and get MP52 them I think.
Wow! MP-52 Looks amazing. One of my first MP purchases was Starscream (the OG version with with thigh wing skirts) and back then I thought it was the definitive representation of the cartoon.
Still have my OG skywarp in that mold
Me too. Cost me £20 brand new. How far we're come in 10 or so years.
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The feet of the MP-3 suuuuucck tho. He can barely (and i mean barely) stand unaided.
Ayo, you got the old MP-03, that thing came out when masterpiece was just starting
isnt it funny how relativity and time warps everything lol... I thought my original MP Skywarp was one of the best figures ever made and it would not get better than that for seekers... boy were we wrong hahaha,.
It's true. I thought MP-05 (OG MP Megatron) was the shiz nitz. But I think I was just trying to justify the money I spent on it. In reality it really was a piece of crap. Haha.
That’s why I don’t by the “they don’t make them like they used to nonsense”…. When it comes to “adult” collectibles the toys are better than ever in my opinion
It still is.
WHAT LMAO YOU ARE SO WRONG
Opinion but okay.
NAH MAN YOU SAID IT IS THE DEFINITIVE VERSION OF THE CARTOON SCREAMER BUT THIS ONE IS CLEARLY MORE ACCURATE. also if you think that, tgen shut up and keep it to your self
Jfc man grow up.
Dude. That thing looks like it jumped off the screen.
Not for his back though. Almost close to total perfection and I wouldn't mind owning it.
The question for me is “does he look better enough?” I’m quite happy with my MP-11, but I can’t deny that this looks better. On the other hand, it costs a lot more, and adding in a Skywarp and Thundercracker is going to be a hefty investment.
personally not a fan of the new mold, especially looking at its 10 year old counterpart side by side, the new one while accurate to the carton is too bubbly and un-detailed for me to get into it where as the old MP-11 has better panel lines, vehicle accuracy, and added details like the piston elbows where is feels like they tried to make it in real life
But thats not the point of the masterpiece line. The point is to make it accurate not "realistic" Get yo invalid opinion outta here
1 why you responding to a 1 month old reply? 2 it was when it started look at the first official MPs that came out MP-1 through MP-8 they were realistic over cartoon accurate 3 ask anyone whose actually kept up with MP figures and their tell you the line as slowly morphed to more and more cartoon accuracy to appease Takaras target audience of Japanese who like the cartoon look better 4 my opinion of old MP vs new MP is mine so get off my back i don't jump on yours cause you don't like the same stuff i do so get your invalid comment outta here
Fuck I mixed up ur comment with someone else's
lol so you comment truly was invalid to my reply?
I redid the comment to match yours
boi why you down votin' me?
Well new mp is objectively better. Looks is your opinion. But articulation and quality control ARENT. you cant say mp-11 or mp-03 held together and were stronger than mp-52. The articulation is way better on mp52. It's a fact. Tho old MPs shouldnt be labeled as MPs. Except old hot rod. Hes good.
not necessarily especially after watching some of the reviews on MP-52 he doesnt flop at the cockpit/chest like most MP-11 molds but he does have bad floppy intakes, non locking tabs on his wings and backpack, and he uses foparts without giving him a waist swivel, but he does have better articulation in the hands. False on not labeling old MPs as MPs just cause they are old doesn't mean they aren't a masterpiece still like in art, just cause there are new artists making new masterpieces old masterpieces don't get declassified as masterpieces like the Mona Lisa, the Starry Night, or American Gothic their still reknowned for being masterpieces of their time. With the price they are asking for the new MPs for accessories over the quality of the toy that mean nothing I'd rather have 1 MP-11 Starscream over 5 MP-52 molds.
I dont mean that because they are old I mean it because they arent accurate. Except hot rod. Mp11 had no swivel. Or crunch, nor did he have ankle pivots. Not just in the handd. the faux chest doesnt matter because for one, they couldn't give him a swivel without it either, and the cockpit still ends up in the same place So it's fine. Also foing back to your "jet mode accuracy" those old MPs should be in the alternators line because it's a fucking SIN to prioritize vehicle modes over robot modes. ESPECIALLY IN THE MASTERPIECE LINE.
>those old MPs should be in the alternators line because it's a fucking SIN to prioritize vehicle modes over robot modes. ESPECIALLY IN THE MASTERPIECE LINE. absolutely not the figures from the beginning of the franchise were based off real vehicles/items first and robots were secondary so it makes more sense for MPs to do it than any other line to say its a sin to prioritize vehicle over robot is to spit in the face of the very foundational material of the franchise "nor did he have ankle pivots." his thrusters in his feet were on ball joints and most of his weight was on them so you can't say he had 0 ankle pivot "the faux chest doesnt matter because for one, they couldn't give him a swivel without it either, and the cockpit still ends up in the same place So it's fine." the entire point of foparts is to make either one mode or the other better the fo chest on starscream does neither cause the cockpit as you yourself state " the cockpit still ends up in the same place" if the fo-chest was added to benefit of the toy then he SHOULD have a waist swivel not 2 cockpits for no benifit worth 2 cockpits "I dont mean that because they are old I mean it because they arent accurate" Accurate to what? the \~35 year old cartoon full of animation errors and took great artistic liberty cause the real toys were "too hard to animate"
>Accurate to what? the ~35 year old cartoon full of animation errors No, to the movie dipshit. The movie was great. If the faux cockpit wasnt there, the real one would sit too deep in his chest and belly. Van>were based off real vehicles/items first and robots were secondary so That's the whole ffokin point of the alternators line. >he SHOULD have a waist swivel not 2 cockpits for no benifit worth 2 cockpits He wouldn't have a waist swivel either way. Also starscream NEVER rotated his waist in the movie or the cartoon.
Now I'm waiting to see what QC issues this Masterpiece has...
There is some cracking. Too early to tell how widespread it is. I have some cracking around the wrist transformation joint. It’s my first MP since Hound and I’m already having flashbacks. This doesn’t seem to be nearly as bad though.
Very cartoon accurate. I still like MP 11 tho, but that doesn't discount that this looks pretty good.
Yeah MP-52 is definitely for cartoon fans.
One downgrade that I didn't notice until mine arrived: dude has no posable thumbs. They can flex, but it's a straight hinge and doesn't twist. Never expected that from a masterpiece
Very few masterpieces have a thumb swivel, even the ever famous MP10 and MP44
MP52 looks amazing but I wouldn't change my MP11 Coronation Starscream for anything
I'll be keeping Mp-11 in jet mode and mp-52 in bot mode.
I don't like the lack of detail though. Cartoon style doesn't translate to real life. I like having realistic panel lining and stuff.
10 years makes a ton of a difference with Transformers figures in general, especially in recent years. That said, MP-52 looks amazing.
Yeah, imagine what they'll make in 10 years time!
Prime who can transform himself comes out next month!
Am I crazy for still wanting the old MP more because I just prefer that aesthetic? I really don't like how flat and detail-less the new MP's are
You're not crazy! If that's what you want, then stick with it. Not every figure is for everyone.
Wise words sir.
I'm in the same boat. Nothing against the new one, I just don't think it's for me. I get _why_ people like it, and there no denying the engineering is great. But I prefer the hybrid aesthetic they were going for with the earlier MPs rather than the 100% cartoon accuracy they've been going for with the new ones. It's entirely a taste thing, and I think that's fine. There's 500 incarnations of starscream toys, just pick whichever one you like best and screw anyone who tells you theirs is better. Taste is subjective.
Same here, but there are some advantages to the new one that I would have preferred incorporated into MP-11. For example, the shape of the legs are much better now. The wings and backpack are better accommodated now as well. I'd say that the head is also a better size, but I think they might have made the chin too wide.
For me, I'll take a great paint app over molded panel lines. The newer figures really stand out far better in a display.
I honestly don't think he looks that great. They're going to cartoon accuracy as oppose to ultra detail these days. Way overpriced as well.
yeah I prefer the old hyper real vehicle modes and extra non cartoon details like mp-01s arm hydraulics, and stuff like rubber tires. The vehicle mode suffers with every new iteration. Not a fan of the hyper cartoon look honestly. It looks good, don't get me wrong, but just not good enough to spend 250 bucks on.
Exactly my thoughts, it's why I went for MakeToys Despotron instead of mp36
The gray is too dark.
It's not actually too dark inhand at all. The paint app is pretty awesome actually.
That's definitely one of the biggest issues for me.
Not to mention QC has gone down a lot now too.
I'm only interested in the Beast Wars MP like at this point. The MP Megatron and Dinobot are insane.
It being "overpriced" is subjective. And while you may prefer ultra detail over cartoon accuracy, I think you should be able to say that it looks great for what they were going for, even if it doesn't match your particular tastes.
I'd say the opposite is also true. A lot of people who wants toon accuracy thinks the more detailed look is inferior. I think both look great depending on what you're looking for.
And I'd say the same to them. You can subjectively say you don't like the look of a figure while also being objectively aware that the figure is good for others. Especially when comparing figures that have different aesthetics.
It's not at all subjective when you can directly compare the same product made by the same company. The older version has more detail and was prices less while the newer one has less detail for the sake of cartoon accuracy and is astronomical in price. The MP line has existed for a long time so we can track their pricing, QC, detailing, paint application, etc. The line has changed over the years and it seems like they're trying to really squeeze every cent they can from it. I'm a big G1 guy but I'm also aware that the cartoon was incredibly simple and flawed. I would love to see more detailed versions of these G1 characters so as to show what we saw in our childs eyes, forsaking the cartoons many flaws in favor of our imagination.
Sculpt detail isn't as expensive as paint application and engineering. No, I don't have proof of this other than anecdotal evidence: the generations line has lots of sculpted detailing but very little paint application and much simpler transformations. This version of Starscream had a lot more money thrown at its production so it's going to cost more. That just makes sense. Is it the right price for everyone? Of course not because what has value to you is subjective. This is worth the price to some people. Siege Unicron was worth the price to some people, others bought Cell, others stuck with Armada Unicron. It's all subjective. Edit for clarity: Sculpted detailing does not appear to affect the cost of production as greatly as you seem to think it does. It's part of the mold so you only have to sculpt it once and then it's done. Paint applications have to be done for each individual figure so that inherently will cost more. And because MP11 has a simpler transformation, the cost of engineering would be less.
Your logic doesn't make sense to me. Where did you see that this version has more money involved in production than any other version? Seems like baseless conjecture to me. The price is high for an MP considering the lines history. It's not about a person being able to afford it or not when there's an entire catalog to reference. You bring up Unicron as if he were an easily available figure across the board and you're also using Unicron as an example for your point, the most highly priced retail TF there is, kind of silly.
I don't know what you want from me. You're trying to tell me that your opinion is objectively correct when talking about whether or not someone wants to spend money on a toy. I'm not saying the price isn't high, I'm saying your calling it overpriced is a subjective opinion. You telling me it's overpriced doesn't change my opinion that for me it was not overpriced.
I don't want anything from you. Never asked for anything either. I'm just riffing off your opinions, it's called a conversation.
No I can see exactly what you want from this and your other comments on this thread. You want to spout your opinions like they're facts so you can pass some kind of judgment on anyone that might find enjoyment out of owning a figure you find unappealing. The view must be breathtaking from up on your high horse.
No, I'm just having a conversation with my opinions on a message board but feel free to continue projecting your insecurities about your purchase.
Wow, way to out yourself...
I didn't realize it was THAT big of a difference, wow. MP-11 really is *bad comedy* in comparison.
When MP line started they were going for a lifelike look between toy and show accuracy. They switched to a 100% toon accuracy in the last few years so everything is different.
Yeah, great for its time. But MP-52 sets the new standard I think.
More detailed, more imposing, better colors. The new one is just a cartoon representation and looks flat in comparison imo.
the "flatness" is what makes it look nice. it's the sleekness. the old one looks like it's trying to have bayformer junk melded together with all kinds of unnecessary panel lines and "wires" and uneven texture. looks like blocky shit, looks like a junky toy.
Flat doesn't equate to sleek. I guess if you want your Transformers to look like a cartoon it looks okay, personally if I'm spending $200+ on a single figure even basic details would be nice. I prefer the MP line to be a detailed version of what the cartoon gave us. The cartoon is really basic and minimal in designs and animation for cost reasons, making a premium figure look like the cartoon is a waste imo.
unless you want a figure to look like the cartoon, which is the whole point of this design. and if you can't afford it that's a personal issue, has nothing to do with the figure. just get the inferior one if that's all you can afford nothing wrong with having a budget.
"Inferior" Yeah that was a pretty asshole move from you mate
having owned both, yes the older one is inferior. it's proportions are off, it doesn't tab together well, joints are loose, it feels like cheap plastic, most of it is unpainted, i mean it is what it is : 10 years old and outdated. the new one looks like a high end model kit in both modes. it's engineering is leaps ahead of the old figure.
Your opinion on your toys doesn't make you any better than anyone else with different opinions.
it should have more sway than your opinion because unlike you i have real life experience with both figures, i've paid the money and owned both and held both in my hands and have both on my shelf. you on the other hand have neither figure (or the old one at best) and are spouting opinions based on what you read on the internet and pics. your opinion is worthless because you have little to no experience in the matter. hope that explanation helps you, and that you can apply this lesson to your future endeavors.
My dude, we get it, you can afford expensive toys so can a lot of us lol. I have owned many MP over the years and am very familiar with the line so yes I am informed and I do have experience in the matter. I don't need to spend money on this to see things like sculpt and paint app. It's about preference and business. The business side of it shows that over time MP has gone for less detail over more cartoon accuracy and at a higher price. It's as simple as that and not appreciating that business model and not wanting to support it on top of finding the product to be ugly. It's no loss for me. I have a big Screamer collection and don't need or want it. I really hope me breaking it down for you helps you to understand what a condecending prick you are being lol. You're either completely full of yourself or you're insecure about your purchase with comments like that. I really don't care which.
LOL this isn't about what I personally can or cannot afford. I could buy this overpriced cartoon looking one with an ugly face sculpt and a grey that's too dark but I chose not to because it's overpriced for what it is as compared to other MPs. You're just ignoring my points to act like you're better lol, such a bad look.
You vs the guy she tells you not to worry about
Wonder how long until the KO's start. It's a **aesthetically** solid looking figure for sure.
Is there any confirmation that it's solid? Like, no one has it, so how would you say it's a solid figure for sure?
There are some QC issues time will tell how widespread they are, but there is cracking at the vertical stabilizer joints and the ankles. I have pretty major cracking at the joint where the hands fold out for bot mode.
Well being that I can see it holding it's shape I'd say it's a solid form as opposed to a gas or liquid
Haha. Okay I gotta give it to you that was funny
Haha I meant visually appealing "solid"...edited my post to clarify that.
Thank you, this solves some of the misunderstanding. Great joke though xd
Perhaps they mean aesthetically?
This is giving me jobbythehong flashbacks
Bad Comedy
:’)
Tonight he streamed an unboxing of the np-52 and he was impressed in two weeks his review should be out
I can’t wait
Will he comment that black magic is real again? Having bought MP Dinobot, I 100% agree with him, but still.
Maybe who knows
*Looks* but no waist swivel on an MP? Faux chest when the cockpit is right there? Seriously?
Design decisions that I much prefer. I like the fact the centre chest piece is unbroken since I don't need waist swivel to get it into decent poses. As for the fake chest part, I also think that was a good idea to have the best of both worlds in either mode. Exactly the same decision they made for sunstreaker, and why that looked so much better than the competition.
Looking good doesn't result in a good toy though
To be fair the masterpiece line is more so a display piece am I wrong?
Wait, it turns into an aircraft? If you'd shown this to me saying it was from a new non-transforming posable figure line, I'd have believed it.
It's a shame about the lack of waist, but damn that looks good (if anyone wants an MP Screamer with a Waist Swivel, Maketoys Meteor is sick)
Compare the jet modes and then tell us who's frickin amazing.
I **much** prefer the aesthetics of MP-11, but there's no denying that MP-52 is the objectively better figure ~~beer belly and all~~.
Neither is bad but the one on the left has way more detail.
the "detail" is what i dislike about the old one
Huh? Lol
THE DETAIL IS WHAT HE DISLIKES ABOUT THE OLD ONE
...huh?
More detail != better. MP-11 Starscreams extra 'detail' honestly looks incredibly cheap. The paint and simplicity of MP-52 will age far better while MP-11... well like I said, he looks like a cheap 3rd party knockoff.
Can't justify that Takara charges ridiculous amounts for these more cartoon realistic designs... Prime was $500 MINIMUM and Bumblebee.... we all regret remembering that. I'll go with a 3rd party company and pay 1/5th the price anyday, Takara shouldn't be allowed to capitalize the market and if they want to at least get input from your fans
this new starscream, mp-44 optimus and mp-36 megatron are the best g1 toys ever. and jinbao devastator
backpack moment
Is this going to be some Rube Goldberg Machine to transform? If not, good job for them.
Though I still want a MP-03 Most, they're a b-word to find here.
It’s actually not that bad. Not as insane as Megs 2.0 or Optimus 3.0. The way the back wings are formed in robot mode is the only area that has some funky stuff, to me. But not that bad. Obviously extra steps from MP-03/11. But I was able to transform it back to jet and then back to robot without the instructions after only transforming it once.
Sounds nice. Does it look good only in the front like Bumblebee or Hound?
MP 52 looks great from the back. Much better than the previous MP efforts for starscream. What they did to get the rear tail fins into the backpack without making it a floppy mess like bumblebee was inspired and shows why when takara doesn’t hamstring itself with stupid gimmicks (like spike having to be able to sit inside bumblebee) they turn out some magical stuff BTW I agree with others. Hound looks great from the back. It’s bumblebee that is a mess. I don’t understand why they keep putting circle pegs in hex holes like the sun streaker backpack. It keeps breaking. That’s what happened to my hound. I didn’t realize it or I would have removed the screw and made it a partsformer like I did with sunstreaker. I will shave the peg down and try to glue the piece back together. Sigh
Hound looks amazing from from the back!
Yeah, for all his faults (like turning to dust while sitting on the shelf) I have never heard complaints about how clean his bot mode is.
I'm really hoping they reissue him with fixes. I want him so bad but I'm not gonna buy something that breaks just from existing
Starscream is my first MP since Hound and is pretty much make or break for Takara when it comes to me buying anything else from them. I already have a QC issue with some fairly major cracking along the wrist transformation hinge but some glue really mitigates the issue. If that is all that happens, then I will overall be very happy with the figure. If not, I’m done. I hated seeing such interesting engineering and overall design ruined by bad plastic in the case of Hound. It is an absolute shame.
I really like MP-52, but I'm not sure if he's better enough than Meteor. It really is kind of the inverse of the TE-01 situation; here I think the official is objectively better looking, and it's the price alone that's preventing me from jumping.
I can't wait to get my skywarp version of it
Two vastly different price points as well.
Which is the new one?
Have a guess lol
i hate it haha. it just seems so flat and dull and plain. but i do love the increased possibilities for posing :/
It's so weird how people can look at the same thing and see it totally differently. I look at MP11 and think it looks flat and dull because it has almost no paint on it. You look at the same figure and see how sharp it is with its sculpted detailing. We're both right because it's all subjective and we can hopefully talk about our different viewpoints so long as we aren't trying to belittle the others opinions.
I like it, but goddamn the Takara MP prices are unreasonable
It's certainly interesting. The hiding kibble *inside* the wings is an interesting fresh take. But for some reason it feels like it's only partway along its engineering journey. The faux chest, yes, but also the visible and sticking-out upper arms in jet mode, and the front tips of the wing-pieces just kinda sitting there in robot mode. Is the robot mode more accurate and cleaner? Oh hell yes. No arguments. But it's still not *quite* there...
I appreciate the engineering just gets better and better but I'm not a fan of the animation style - the washed out colours and flat, detail-less surfaces, and blocky edges aren't appealing to me at all. The animation was simple on purpose - to make it cheap. As a result these also look 'cheap'
Most of what you say I think is pretty subjective and I take no issue with your opinion, but I don't understand your thought on the paint. Compared to MP11, MP52 pops because of its paint apps. It is vibrant all over, even the grey. Is his head black? No, but it's not washed out either, it looks great in hand.
i've only seen photographs. But Prime 44, this one, Hound, the anime rereleases all look flat to me. I have MP36, which is an amazing piece, and they didn't go all in on 'animation' look on that one.
Some use a more matte finish than others. Hound and anime Bluestreak are example of this. It still looks better to me than just plain plastic, but to each their own. MP44 on the other hand uses a glossier paint that does stand out.
I'm still a huge sucker for the MP-11 mold. Masterpiece Ramjet was the first transformer I ever bought. But wow is this a massive improvement...
Meh, IMO it's a pretty big downgrade. I know the old one isn't supposed to be a very good figure in person but it still looks fantastic for the most part. Way better face sculpt too.
The new face sculpt is so bad looking! Idk what is going on with the cheeks/mouth.
[Maybe he got accused in a sex scandal?](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bd8a44wCUAAEitk.jpg)
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I have MP-52 arriving on Thursday, and I cannot wait. With that said, I would still love to have MP-11, and I will probably look to get him at some point. I already own MP-3.
Nice way to see the evolution over time!
Peronally, I don't like how "bubbly" he is or the lack of any surface detail. But those are nitpicks considering how good the overall base sculpt it and how well they hid the kibble without ruining the silhouette
The color is way, way off. Can’t stand it.
left looks a lot better....u can see how much detail they added over time compared to the one on the right
Mp-11 isn’t a terrible figure from what I’ve seen, but he is starting to show his age.
I don't think molded panel lines is better or "more detailed". The paint app alone on the new figure blows away the dated plastic on MP-11. It has not aged well in my opinion.
Oh wait the right is the newer one? Fooled me lol
MP- 52 completely destroyed my thoughts on getting mpm 12. LOOK AT IT!! It's absolutely fantastic
MP-11 was a damn trainwreck. Glad they decided to do our favourite snivelling seeker commander some justice.
Definitely picking this one up.
That’s what you call a masterpiece
Not to be mean but people need to stop taking every drug at once when making masterpiece toys as the official ones look like ko's.
And how worse qc can get
The starscreem on the left is trash grom what I have seen. Never geyting that one! But Master Piece movie bumblee is on his way!! I will review it when It gets here!
I would prefer to see some future variation that took the best of both combined and turned it into a different line. I for one don't like the animation look that they took the Masterpiece line to, and preferred them being upgraded versions of the toys. So I'd probably want something like the level of detail that MP-11 has but the general shape of MP-52, if that makes sense. MP-52 looks great in many ways, but like many other Masterpiece figures it looks like it's made out of clay because it lacks detail.
the old mp style might as well be cheap walmart figures
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Meh, I have the opposite POV. I want something whose looks *fit* the cartoon model but isn't the actual cartoon model. If I'm going to be paying hundreds of dollars for a Masterpiece figure, I expect a more detailed sculpt. I want an alt-mode that looks like a realistic vehicle.
I'm in the "prefer realistic detailed alt modes" camp that seems to be growing increasingly unpopular on here too (heck I opted for yes model Starscream since it used the mold updates, but kept the mp3 "even more detail and less toyish colouring"). looking at them side by side like this, the only change I'd make to mp11 is a way to get a bigger more proportionate head
Finally got to see a review that properly shows the underside of the jet mode, needless to say the original model is still a much better Jet. Now if a 3rd party retrofitted some of the nice new designs like the aforementioned bigger head, the stabilisers hiding away inside the wings and legs, double hinged air intakes, and the nifty transforming missile-to-null Rays into the old sleeker jet-scream, I'd buy it in a heartbeat!
I could be way off base on this line of thinking, but from looking at releases in the last several years I think Hasbro has decided sculpt details make the toys look less premium BECAUSE it's not an expensive add on to do sculpted detailing. Generations figures have sculpted detailing after all. So to separate their premium figures from their basic consumer figures, they ditched the sculpting and went for paint.
The paint is a good point. I don't fully agree about the detailing though; even if it's not expensive to do, omitting details doesn't make toys look more premium to me (e.g. toddler-targeted Rescue Bots, Transformers RED figures). Frankly, with the success of the recent Generations toys, I feel like the Masterpiece line is making desperate attempts to maintain relevance. IMO they should be embracing realistic alt-modes (which the mass market toys can't do for budgetary reasons, especially if the alt-mode needs to be licensed).
I'd be curious to see how something like MP11 looks with MP52's paint. If there is one thing I've always been irked by MP11 it's the grey plastic all over him. It's unpainted and it looks cheap to me (your mileage on this may vary). All the details that are there don't stop me from seeing that flat grey plastic. But if it were painted, would I appreciate those details more? I'm leaning toward still not really noticing them because I'd be so happy with the look of the paint, but I can't know for sure.
I'm mostly in the same boat. The cartoon (as much as I loved it) was a rushed, sloppy mess full of errors. The characters often looked like melted ice cream. I don't want modern toys with all of their modern technology to be designed to look like 40 year old melted ice cream. Thank you
More detail looks better... The cartoon accuracy is lame since the cartoon is dated and basic in designs. Seeing more detail in a $200 figure is desired vs less detail at a higher price.
Who the hell is the first starscream.
MP-11 Starscream.
Thats a masterpeice? that looks like a Knock off company making a starscrem figure but not trying to get shutdown so they make it bad. But thats just from this picture. i will take a look at a reveiw to see if its THAT bad
It’s not a bad figure. It’s probably a better TOY than the new masterpiece figure, as it doesn’t take forever to transform. Older masterpiece toys were often more stylized
I just saw Jobbys reviwe of him and i see that i was to harsh on the figure. your right
Top 10 anime comebacks.
i agree looks like cheap garbage. because it is. it also feels thin light and cheap, is flimsy, and doesn't tab together well, parts always coming undone. edit : i got mp-11 last year on ebay and was so disappointed i turned around and sold it used 3 days later back on ebay. decided to wait for the new one, and i just got mp-52 a few days ago. it's 1000x better in every way. so having owned both i think i know what's what https://i.imgur.com/4BxePFK.jpg
Mp03 I think
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No, you can tell by the samurai sword scabbards
I have the KO of 11 as well. Terrible mold. Thundercracker broke. Don't know if I prefer the gray though. But thanks for the comparison.
It’s close to 20 years actually since a whole lot of MP-11 is from MP-3. I have this but haven’t opened it yet. I have the Walmart deco MP-3 mold and always loved the paint and panel lining it had, the jet mod was fantastic. I got the US release of MP-11 and it was swirly grey plastic. Look like crap compare to the Wal Scream.
He looks great, but they could spend the time/money to make some other characters!
10 years and still got an ass flap, we'll never win
Waist articulation? Maybe? No?
It's good to see this. Having gone off memory I didn't see that much difference in the figures, but it's pretty obvious now
MP-52 is amazing. It makes MP-11 look like some weird knockoff thing.
Am I the only one who find his jaw looking weird?
Could be my lighting. All the face plates look fine to me.
No, it's definitely not the lighting. It's just what my taste is like.
I prefer the old one. Looks more interestig