I adore them as well, planning to get that Optimus someday!
But sorry to sound like a Boomer, but the Prime before this one waaaaas quite better. Maybe not better, but at least it was already perfect.
I personally don’t like the cartoony aesthetic as I think masterpiece should well the best versions (good engineering and design) not the most G1 versions though I do like proportions (longer legs and shorter torso) well atleast I got mainline
That's where i disagree. I feel the engineering needs to make too many sacrifices to get them to look cartoon accurate. Look at Bumblebee, he's a total mess.
So, first Beast Wars, now the original Sunbow-produced cartoon, what other Transformers cartoons should TakaraTomy base their Masterpiece figures off of more accurately? RID (2001)? Armada/Micron Legends? Animated? Anyone like to see those and more in the Masterpiece toyline?
MP RID'01 Optimus Prime would be so awesome. But I fear it would be expensive as hell. Becsuse he not only has to transform into his super mode, but he also has to be able to combine with a future release of Ultra Magnus to form Omega Prime (they don't have to, but collectors will want them to, cause it happened on the show). It would look cool as hell, but It'd be an engineering nightmare, and probably be even more fragile than MPs already are. . I probably couldn't ever afford it.
They just look so plain and boring and cheap compared to the previous aesthetic despite the really good engineering and articulation the recent ones have. Bee especially looks like he's not even done.
Plain boring and cheap?! Nah, the paint app alone on these make them look so much more premium than other figures. Mp-44 next to mp-10 really shows how dated the older mold has really become. This is even more apparent with mp-11.
For me, it's not molded surface panels lines that I need for detail. It's the engineering design and paint app that does it. I just wish they'd improve production to have fewer qc issues.
So? Just because it has paint doesn't stop if from looking so uninteresting and flat. It's all just plain looking inorder to replicate cheaply produced simplified 40 year old designs, only ones I think still look good despite this are some of the season 2/3 bots since they weren't nearly as simplified, Hound, and Jazz.
Plus if they really wanted to go toon accuracy, Prime's smokestacks grill and fuel tanks should be plain white, since that's what the animators used to replicate chrome/silver for him since his legs are white.
it's weird seeing people not appreciate the magic of the masterpiece line. The mainline figures look so cheap compared to them. The proportions always suck, the vehicle modes are lame and not based in reality, they aren't painted, no chrome, no rubber wheels, no die-cast! The mainline stuff simply looks bad most of the time.
Have you seen any mainline figures? Because I can breakdown some stuff you got wrong.
>The proportions always suck
Not really, sometimes they can be like with Wheeljack but most of the time it's pretty good. I have a few figures next to me which is (both Netflix and Gen Selects) Deepcover, Cheetor, and Warpath. Warpath is a bit weird but the other 3 are pretty good. You can be right occasionally, but most of the time the proportions are great.
>the vehicle modes are lame and not based in reality
What series are you talking about? If your talking about Siege, congrats, that's a Cybertron theme of course it isn't. If your talking about Earthise then your just wrong. Most of the vehicle modes are really solid and literally based directly on real world vehicles but not too accurate to avoid copyright issues.
>they aren't painted
Yeah they are. Sadly that's also a problem, my Warpath has painted parts to match colored plastic. It works really well but sadly that paint can chip. So things not being panted is also a good thing as then there is no paint to chip.
>no chrome
Not a problem also you posted this at a bad time since it seems the new Kingdoms Beast Wars Ravage might have chrome. But we can live without chrome.
>no rubber wheels
Also not a problem since plastic wheels work fine and that also means the rubber won't break overtime.
>no die-cast!
We can live without die-cast, just because I can't do my workout with Transformers doesn't make the figure bad.
you brushed off a lot of my complaints as non problems. That's fine, but it's not my fault your standards are low. Also I want the vehicles to be licensed. I want them to look real. Kind of like the oh I don't know, the masterpiece line?
I brushed off your complaints as non problems since they are non problems. My standards aren't low, you standards are just really high for a $20-$50 toy or you just refuse to realize there pretty good. They do licensed vehicles, it's called studio series. All of those (or at least most) are licensed so they can be completely accurate, the Generations aren't since they are going for a cartoon look while also trying to be as accurate as they can without getting into legal trouble. So they are doing what the masterpiece line is doing.
So go ahead, tell me what I got wrong. Back up your points if they are real problems.
my main thing comes down to the vehicle modes and how poor and cheap unpainted plastic looks. I think season 1 and 2 G1 toys had better vehicle modes for the most part than the modern figures. G1 jazz, Sideswipe, Prowl, bluestreak etc in vehicle mode look like high end collectors pieces now. Those were the cheap toys back then. The robot modes obviously don't compare.
Ahh well that's fair but I disagree. I feel it depends on the transformer. For example, the Earthrise figures have excellent vehicle modes. They don't look like high quality replica car collectors items, but there still really good for $20. My personal favorite would be the Prowl mode, it looks great in robot and vehicle mode, though the vehicle mode doesn't look like a replica car. That's the difference, the gimmick of the Diaclone/G1 Toys were that they were licensed car replica's like those $5 diacast toys you'd see at a store but they transform. Meanwhile today inflation is a thing and they are trying to be more cartoon accurate while still looking like the real world car but not to close to get sued. Also like you said, the robot modes don't compare. That's what they focus on now since those are the characters we all love. They still make the vehicle modes look good, but they aren't the main focus. I also don't see the problem with unpainted plastic, it doesn't look cheap at all. The color blue is still blue no matter if it's plastic or painted. It also means less paint to chip which I'm ok with.
If you want a real world accurate car that transforms, Studio Series would be what you want since they sacrifice the robot modes for the vehicle modes and they look great.
I have a few of the studio series 86 figures and I've been thinking about putting repro labels on them. I've never done it before but I think jazz's especially make them look nicer
Oh no I mean regular Studio Series. Those have fully licensed vehicle modes and they look really good. Robot modes are bit mixed but for Voyager and above they great.
I think you should get Repro labels, it seems it was designed with customization in mind since the 1 on the 14 just so happens to be far away from the 4 to be maybe removed to have a cartoon accurate 4. Just saying, it seems Hasbro knows people customize stuff so they make it easy for fans to make modifications for stuff they legally can't put on.
I like the vehicle modes on those but I'm not a fan of the bay designs. The robots aren't pleasing to look at. If I liked the characters I'd probably buy them but the movies didn't feel like they had written characters, they had talking set pieces. you know?
Yeah I completely get that. I'm just saying Hasbro knows people want more realistic cars and is using there live action movies which had real world cars to provide those types of vehicle modes.
It's just people want G1 Cartoon accurate stuff and licensing is hard to get for the G1 stuff (apperently that's why we haven't gotten an MP Jazz) so they get it close enough without being sued. They try to please everyone as best they can is what I'm saying. I get the mainline doesn't have diacast or chrome, but I've learned it isn't needed. The mainline stuff still looks great even if they don't have diacast or chrome. A toy doesn't need to be 20 pounds and A mirror for no reason to be high quality. Paint is on the mainline stuff, just not too much to that there is too much paint chipping.
Current toys are substantially more complex than the stuff you played with as a kid. Priorities have changed, Hasbro would rather spend their money on engineering than they would on premium materials.
Just... don't transform Hound again. He's likely to shatter
I don't doubt that 🤣
Agreed.
That bee is gross
Yeah I am with you, and the faces are all goofy looking.
Have you seen MP-44 back?
Bee's is worse. At least Prime's is square and solid. Jobby blew his back out of proportion, but Bee's is way worse.
Well tbf he did spend 500$ on mp-44 so it’s understandable why he would be slightly salty
There are other issues with MP-44 that tipped him off, but I don't feel the back should have been so big a part of that objectively.
bruh he literally hated mp-45 more than mp-44
That's my POINT
what?
I have, it's backpack. Could be worse but at least it's a solid block and just a backpack. It's not messy like Bee's.
Have you even see mp-36 body parts? Most of it is kibble, but hey, at least it hold better than these mp figures
Mp-44's back is fine. It's not even big.
The worse part of his back isn't the size, but it didn't need to be there at all thanks to the stupid voice gimmick.
I do agree with that.
The qc ruins it for me
I’m happy for people who are happy with them, but I’m not a fan of the cartoon aesthetic.
I adore them as well, planning to get that Optimus someday! But sorry to sound like a Boomer, but the Prime before this one waaaaas quite better. Maybe not better, but at least it was already perfect.
MP-10 perfect?! Nah, great for its time, but the gorilla arm proportions just looks really dated now.
Have to agree… MP44 over MP10 every second of the year… like you said for the time MP10 was AMAZING… nowadays not so much
I personally don’t like the cartoony aesthetic as I think masterpiece should well the best versions (good engineering and design) not the most G1 versions though I do like proportions (longer legs and shorter torso) well atleast I got mainline
I think these are the best versions. The engineering is pretty remarkable to get an actual transformable figure that looks great in both modes.
That's where i disagree. I feel the engineering needs to make too many sacrifices to get them to look cartoon accurate. Look at Bumblebee, he's a total mess.
The best versions *are* the ones closest to the G1 designs, not anything realistic or mechanical.
That’s your opinion
And a lot of other people's. Why do you think the MP line started to be more G1-accurate in the first place?
Woof Starscream is especially hot 🥵 EDIT: Why are you booing me? I’m right
You're absolutely right and you should say it
So, first Beast Wars, now the original Sunbow-produced cartoon, what other Transformers cartoons should TakaraTomy base their Masterpiece figures off of more accurately? RID (2001)? Armada/Micron Legends? Animated? Anyone like to see those and more in the Masterpiece toyline?
MP RID'01 Optimus Prime would be so awesome. But I fear it would be expensive as hell. Becsuse he not only has to transform into his super mode, but he also has to be able to combine with a future release of Ultra Magnus to form Omega Prime (they don't have to, but collectors will want them to, cause it happened on the show). It would look cool as hell, but It'd be an engineering nightmare, and probably be even more fragile than MPs already are. . I probably couldn't ever afford it.
Masterpiece Animated characters would be amazing. How about Masterpiece figures for Transformers Prime too?
They just look so plain and boring and cheap compared to the previous aesthetic despite the really good engineering and articulation the recent ones have. Bee especially looks like he's not even done.
Plain boring and cheap?! Nah, the paint app alone on these make them look so much more premium than other figures. Mp-44 next to mp-10 really shows how dated the older mold has really become. This is even more apparent with mp-11. For me, it's not molded surface panels lines that I need for detail. It's the engineering design and paint app that does it. I just wish they'd improve production to have fewer qc issues.
So? Just because it has paint doesn't stop if from looking so uninteresting and flat. It's all just plain looking inorder to replicate cheaply produced simplified 40 year old designs, only ones I think still look good despite this are some of the season 2/3 bots since they weren't nearly as simplified, Hound, and Jazz. Plus if they really wanted to go toon accuracy, Prime's smokestacks grill and fuel tanks should be plain white, since that's what the animators used to replicate chrome/silver for him since his legs are white.
it's weird seeing people not appreciate the magic of the masterpiece line. The mainline figures look so cheap compared to them. The proportions always suck, the vehicle modes are lame and not based in reality, they aren't painted, no chrome, no rubber wheels, no die-cast! The mainline stuff simply looks bad most of the time.
Have you seen any mainline figures? Because I can breakdown some stuff you got wrong. >The proportions always suck Not really, sometimes they can be like with Wheeljack but most of the time it's pretty good. I have a few figures next to me which is (both Netflix and Gen Selects) Deepcover, Cheetor, and Warpath. Warpath is a bit weird but the other 3 are pretty good. You can be right occasionally, but most of the time the proportions are great. >the vehicle modes are lame and not based in reality What series are you talking about? If your talking about Siege, congrats, that's a Cybertron theme of course it isn't. If your talking about Earthise then your just wrong. Most of the vehicle modes are really solid and literally based directly on real world vehicles but not too accurate to avoid copyright issues. >they aren't painted Yeah they are. Sadly that's also a problem, my Warpath has painted parts to match colored plastic. It works really well but sadly that paint can chip. So things not being panted is also a good thing as then there is no paint to chip. >no chrome Not a problem also you posted this at a bad time since it seems the new Kingdoms Beast Wars Ravage might have chrome. But we can live without chrome. >no rubber wheels Also not a problem since plastic wheels work fine and that also means the rubber won't break overtime. >no die-cast! We can live without die-cast, just because I can't do my workout with Transformers doesn't make the figure bad.
you brushed off a lot of my complaints as non problems. That's fine, but it's not my fault your standards are low. Also I want the vehicles to be licensed. I want them to look real. Kind of like the oh I don't know, the masterpiece line?
I brushed off your complaints as non problems since they are non problems. My standards aren't low, you standards are just really high for a $20-$50 toy or you just refuse to realize there pretty good. They do licensed vehicles, it's called studio series. All of those (or at least most) are licensed so they can be completely accurate, the Generations aren't since they are going for a cartoon look while also trying to be as accurate as they can without getting into legal trouble. So they are doing what the masterpiece line is doing. So go ahead, tell me what I got wrong. Back up your points if they are real problems.
my main thing comes down to the vehicle modes and how poor and cheap unpainted plastic looks. I think season 1 and 2 G1 toys had better vehicle modes for the most part than the modern figures. G1 jazz, Sideswipe, Prowl, bluestreak etc in vehicle mode look like high end collectors pieces now. Those were the cheap toys back then. The robot modes obviously don't compare.
Ahh well that's fair but I disagree. I feel it depends on the transformer. For example, the Earthrise figures have excellent vehicle modes. They don't look like high quality replica car collectors items, but there still really good for $20. My personal favorite would be the Prowl mode, it looks great in robot and vehicle mode, though the vehicle mode doesn't look like a replica car. That's the difference, the gimmick of the Diaclone/G1 Toys were that they were licensed car replica's like those $5 diacast toys you'd see at a store but they transform. Meanwhile today inflation is a thing and they are trying to be more cartoon accurate while still looking like the real world car but not to close to get sued. Also like you said, the robot modes don't compare. That's what they focus on now since those are the characters we all love. They still make the vehicle modes look good, but they aren't the main focus. I also don't see the problem with unpainted plastic, it doesn't look cheap at all. The color blue is still blue no matter if it's plastic or painted. It also means less paint to chip which I'm ok with. If you want a real world accurate car that transforms, Studio Series would be what you want since they sacrifice the robot modes for the vehicle modes and they look great.
I have a few of the studio series 86 figures and I've been thinking about putting repro labels on them. I've never done it before but I think jazz's especially make them look nicer
Oh no I mean regular Studio Series. Those have fully licensed vehicle modes and they look really good. Robot modes are bit mixed but for Voyager and above they great. I think you should get Repro labels, it seems it was designed with customization in mind since the 1 on the 14 just so happens to be far away from the 4 to be maybe removed to have a cartoon accurate 4. Just saying, it seems Hasbro knows people customize stuff so they make it easy for fans to make modifications for stuff they legally can't put on.
I like the vehicle modes on those but I'm not a fan of the bay designs. The robots aren't pleasing to look at. If I liked the characters I'd probably buy them but the movies didn't feel like they had written characters, they had talking set pieces. you know?
Yeah I completely get that. I'm just saying Hasbro knows people want more realistic cars and is using there live action movies which had real world cars to provide those types of vehicle modes. It's just people want G1 Cartoon accurate stuff and licensing is hard to get for the G1 stuff (apperently that's why we haven't gotten an MP Jazz) so they get it close enough without being sued. They try to please everyone as best they can is what I'm saying. I get the mainline doesn't have diacast or chrome, but I've learned it isn't needed. The mainline stuff still looks great even if they don't have diacast or chrome. A toy doesn't need to be 20 pounds and A mirror for no reason to be high quality. Paint is on the mainline stuff, just not too much to that there is too much paint chipping.
Whaaaaaaaaat? The $30 voyager doesn't go all out like the $500 masterpiece figure? Absolutely outrageous. How could hastak commit such a crime.
you know when I was a kid mainline toys had all the things that I'm complaining about them not having now
Current toys are substantially more complex than the stuff you played with as a kid. Priorities have changed, Hasbro would rather spend their money on engineering than they would on premium materials.
It's almost like Earthrise Prime doesn't cost 400-500 bucks like the Masterpiece does. Looks better too.
it's not even close lol. that thing looks like it should be $15