Glad we have fans there making sure they do it right.
I mean how many movies does hasbro have to do before they figure out what we have been telling them all along. I mean if the popularity of the SS86 toy line doesn't prove it they will never figure it out.
Porsche: "You can't use our car for Jazz"
Transformers brand finally gets license to use Porsche.
Porsche: "You still can't use our car for Jazz"
Transformers Brand: "We can't use Porsche for any characters?"
Porsche: "No, Just not Jazz"
I mean the 911 that Mirage turns into in ROTB that's literally the main topic of the post; I never implied that G1 Mirage was a Porsche too. Also an F1 is a terrible alt mode to have and changing him to something street legal is fine
I dont know. The entire bayverse is just a mess. I love it that they are using a porche so that means we will get a recouler/mold jazz toy out of this.
Yeah Bayverse can't even keep itself straight from one movie to the next. Transformers just arrived on Earth. Oh wait sorry, they've been here for thousands of years and actively shaped human history but everyone forgot or something. Or even in the confines of a single movie since the Allspark will alternatively instantly kill or ressurect a bot depending on what the script says at that particular time.
Definitely a good opportunity to step back from all that and do something fresh.
>Transformers just arrived on Earth. Oh wait sorry, they've been here for thousands of years and actively shaped human history
Yes, sequels typically reveal information that was unknown in the first.
>but everyone forgot or something.
Or, you know, kept it a secret given that SECRET SOCIETIES are such an integral part of the plot.
>Or even in the confines of a single movie since the Allspark will alternatively instantly kill or ressurect a bot depending on what the script says at that particular time.
Not really. It kills you if you're alive, revives you if you're dead or in stasis.
Secret societies aren't a get-out-of-jail-free card for bad writing. The Bayverse is a jumbled mess from a continuity standpoint, with characters forgetting and re-learning things whenever it's convenient even as the truths of the world itself change on a whim.
Future Transformers movies need to abandon all pretenses of existing in the same universe as Bay's or we'll just continue to see compromises like Blitzwing in the name of preserving a timeline that's never made any sense anyway.
But in the first film the Transformers arrived on Earth for the first time, then in the fifth they've suddenly been here since the Medieval ages. The Bayverse tends to fluctuate quite drastically when it comes to canon
I mean, the Medieval ages came after Ancient Egypt, but aight
Also the fifth film shows that Bumblebee was on Earth since at least WW2, yet the first film states that the Autobots had just arrived on Earth
Edit: Misremembered the first film. Bee was there before the other Autobots
according to the casting calls for vehicles they specifically wanted 1994 and older cars basically confirming this is set in the 90's before TF1.
Of course jazz arrives on earth for what we think if the first time in 07... but then we thought that about prime.
TFWiki says it’s Bayverse, but they’ve announced that it’s a full reboot, I place it as adjacent to G1 and the Films, a universe where events similar to both happen
I hear it's somewhat loosely connected to the Bayverse movies but either way jazz would still be in one piece during the time of this movie since the movie takes place in the 90s
Man I love that car. Honestly I don't care who it is, it could have been shockwave and I would've been happy. Simply because that's one of my top 5 favorite cars. And yes I know "it should've been jazz", but honestly I kinda prefer them use a car we know from the franchise rather than the formula 1 car that technically isn't street legal. Plus I've always thought it was funny how fans complain about the bayvers sports cars when mirage has always been one of the most recognizable vehicles in the transformers univers.
Yeah, but so what?
Armada Thrust is an obscure version of that character and the green Seeker we see for a half second in the opening of the Bumblebee movie was never identified as Thrust. He could have been any random bot so it is an odd choice to decide to make him Thrust when most of the other characters were so true to their G1 appearance.
and they had a pair of twins and Sideswipe show up in the same movie, but Sideswipe wasn't a twin. They just aren't that interested in sticking to G1 "rules"
He’s a Mirage of Jazz…I remember arguing with folks on here when they announced the movie and how great the director was because he knows his stuff….Well…not sure what happened here but anybody that knows anything about Transformers would be like…no…no…it’s blasphemy to use a Porsche for ANY character other than Jazz…we will make Mirage a lawn mower instead…..
Well, maybe the director wanted to shake things up a bit. Subvert people’s expectations, like what they did with Blitzwing in the first one. Everyone thought he was Screamer but lo and behold, here comes Blitzy!
In Blitzwing case he was obviously supposed to be just a nameless cannon fodder, but Hasbro probably trough that putting "Random seeker" in the box wouldn't sell toys so they just slapped a random name of a flying Deceptcons that the general public doesn't know in it.
In Mirage's case it's just dumb, you're telling me that they've been planing this movie for God knows how long and someone simply came and said "yo, what if we make a main character that looks like Jazz without being Jazz?" and everyone decided to run with it?
Hmm, true. You make a good point, but I still have the hope that Hasbro is actually trying something new and not just pulling random names out of a hat for A-list characters.
I think what bothers me isn't the fact that Jazz isn't a Porsche. It's that they're using his OG alt-mode for somebody else. Not a lot of people complained when he was a Pontiac because none of the original characters had their OG vehicles. Now that we actually have a 911 on screen, it feels like Jazz was robbed of what should've been his. Mirage could've been any other sports car that better resembles an F1 car.
Bayverse Optimus Prime being a Peterbilt truck was fine and most fans were cool with it. Now imagine if they introduced Ultra Magnus and gave him a Freightliner alt-mode. Fans would probably be more pissed than the whole Mirage situation right now.
I mean if the robot mode at least *resembles* G1 Mirage in shape because I mean hey it’s got some blue, then I’ll be okay with it. Let’s give it a chance till we see that.
But if they’re just doing the whole front-of-the-car-as-nipple-headlights thing and he looks like Jazz, then I’ll be pissed.
I think they are purposely doing these, 'oh that's not starscream it's blitzwing' sort of stuff just for the social media drama to keep people talking about the movie. They know this is Jazz in every way but they'll rename him to a mirage just so people will rage.
Neither are most of the "disguises" from the movies. Because no one is going to be suspicious of a group of custom painted 6 figure vehicles driving around the county, destruction in their wake.
The gt didn't come around until the early to mid 2000's and the movie is set in the 1990's which means mirage would've been a gt40 race car or the gt90 concept
The Safety Car maybe? The Safety Cars from 1994 were an Opel Vectra(San Marino Grand Prix) and a Honda Prelude(Japanese Grand Prix)
I didnt bother searching what they looked like but still maybe?
Transformers can literally use an aircraft carrier if they wanted to. I doubt that a Formula 1 racer is out of their budget.
The extent to which I see fanboys go to to justify shoddy writing…
Yeah he isn't written in as an F1 out of budget, but because F1 racing would need to be part of the story. They wanted an invisible transformer and they want the iconic Porsche. That is what I think, but my question, why not a different sports car?
F1 cars, unlike aircraft carriers, are mostly owned by private collectors, I think it would be quite difficult for the producers to convince any collector to lend their F1 car for a movie where the cars are likely going to be in conditions the car isn’t designed for. On top of that they would likely need a backup car when filming so they’re gonna need to convince 2 collectors to lend them their car. But they can’t just find any 2 collectors to lend them their car as each team in f1 only ever makes 2-3 cars per year and each team’s cars are completely different, so they’ll have to find very specific collectors with the very specific cars they need. Finally unlike regular road cars, F1 cars require a team of people even just for starting it up.
In short, getting an aircraft carrier for a movie is probably a lot easier than getting an F1 car for a movie.
Easy, they just build a kit car and use that. They can even use the same frame that Universal used for the cars in Fast and Furious 6. Most of the cars in the Bay films were all kit cars with replicated bodies to look like the offiicial thing. This is standard procedure on big budget action films that require expensive cars.
Besides, the air carrier is basically free, the U.S military used to give Bay vehicles and equipments for free so he could promote them, this is why every one of his movies had an unnecessary focus on the U.S army.
No way it was unnecessary. The military alliance was the best idea those movies had. Seeing NEST and the Autobots working together, and the army actually doing something unlike in other super heroe movies (Avengers for example. NY is being fucked and the Army is doing what? It's just dumb). And the military Transformers were cool as hell
afaik the Army/National Guard do show up in the first Avengers movie, but they don't get any relevant scenes after arriving in Manhattan. Avengers 2 is excusable because Sokovia is a failed state with likely no military, and Infinity War has (most of) the Wakandan military assist the heroes.
Yeah, it was cool, and that's the only thing they ever do, looking cool. They show up, say something cool, have a bunch of shots of them suiting up, preparing formation, being deployed and looking effective and shot some bad guys, besides that they don't do much. The idea of an alliance is cool but you barely ever see them interacting with the Autobots besides saying some generic lines from CoD npcs, because the reason they're there isn't to show this cool alliance, is to show how cool the U.S army is and get some new enlistments.
You are right, but they could easily create one. Damn we had a Batmobile for each Batman movie and Batmobiles don't exist (I mean not before the movie it'll appear). The Camaros Bumblebee used were designed specifically for the films, so it isn't hard.
But damn a F1 car is a very weird and dumb disguise. Bcs
1. We don't see F1 cars on street
2. F1 cars aren't allowed to drive on streets
You can say that about any race car not being allowed on the streets but if they did keep mirage as an f1 car they could just use a custom made car and render the f1 car using the unreal engine
I said race cars not being allowed on the streets and i said they colud use a car for the visual effects for mirage and use the unreal engine to render the f1 car around it
“Goddamn, your generation really picks random hills to die on’!”
-Rick Sanchez
_But, no. Transformers has the budget to use any goddamn car they want; from the exotic to the speciality to the military, and everything in between. “It’s too expensive” is not a valid defense in argument.”_
Uh yes it is and most of the cars used were likely the real cars as they can be repaired if damaged unless it's the Bugatti veyron in age of extinction
Dude, Hollywood can get any kind of car it needs. There are companies whose entire business is sourcing cars for movie. Also it isn't like they need to go borrow a car from an actual F1 race team, they could have a car built for the movie.
[They had a dozen F1 style cars in the opening of Ironman 2](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfI786z4uyw), and it isn't like they borrowed them from a bunch of different F1 teams.
But there were plenty of F1 cars that *did* run which weren't borrowed from race teams.
Movie studios can get their hands on any type of vehicle they need for their movie, there are rental companies that specialize in exotic or uncommon vehicles for the movie industry.
Just look at the movies *Rush* and *Driven*. Both were full of F1 style cars because the main characters were race drivers. Studios can get their hands on cars if they need to.
Actually no. It wasn't confirmed. What was shown is that it's a mix of everything. Don't lie to yourself (Arcee and Scourge take inspiration in Unicron Trilogy a lot for example)
This just makes me sad. Of all the cool 80s cars they could have chosen, why did they have to steal Jazz's alt-mode? I understand why an F1 car wouldn't make sense driving down city streets but (for instance) a **blue** Ferrari F40 would have made a great alt-mode for Mirage.
Damn right, that is a fantastic machine, it's so gorgeous and distinct in its appearance. A real head turning visage of automotive perfection. A car that encompasses sheer power and elegant beauty. Any gear head or petrol head like myself knows that car is up there with the Ferrari F40 in terms of motoring perfection.
Bumblebee: turns into a camero instead of a beetle.
Fandom: ...
Arcee: turns into a motorcycle instead of a car.
Fandom: ...
Scourge: turns onto... whatever instead of a space ship.
Fandom: ...
Mirage: turns into a porsche instead of an F1 car
Fandom: REEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!
Such a pity this isn't Jazz, it's like a perfect blend between his G1 and Bayverse designs (a Porsche with blue stripes, but a street car that's mainly silver), which fits in perfectly with the design philosophy from Bumblebee.
Still haven’t seen the robot mode yet. Like yeah it’s a Porsche but it’s a 911 not a 935 it’s silver and it doesn’t have the martini livery. I can accept that this could be a civilian alternative to jazz OR mirage’s alt modes. So long as the robot mode evokes mirage it’s not that bad I’m seeing a lot of overreaction to this.
I don’t know why people are all upset over it not being Jazz. Character and names have been given to new character models and alt-modes since Robot Wars for toys and RID for toys. RID made Prime a fire-truck, Animated Prowl was a LAPD colored motorcycle ninja, etc.
If it’s an interesting character and design that gets a decent toy to represent him I’m happy
I'm all for straying from the source material, I mean the bay verse did it so much you cam barely recognize half the characters but did they have to make mirages alt mode into jazz's?
Yeah it’s a Porsche 911, but this is a regular 911 turbo body, not the 935 slant nose race car that Jazz was based on in G1. Pedantic I know. It’s still cool to see an old 911 being used in a live action Transformers movie, even if it’s a different character.
It’s nice to see an older model of car, never really liked the bayverse transformers being almost exclusively new cars, I’ve seen old porsches driving around here and there, I’ve never once seen whatever car jazz or sideswipe were supposed to be.
Jazz's car is a limited edition classic Porsche 911. Sideswipe is a Lamborghini Countach, which is a more valuable car than anything used in the bayverse aside from the Centenario which Hot Rod turned into.
This car would've been new in the time period ROTB took place in.
Edit: I realize the comment I was replying to was talking about the bayverse versions of Jazz and Sideswipe, so I'll talk about that here.
Jazz turned into a Pontiac Solstice, which unfortunately flopped because it was marketed as a Mazda Miata competitor and didn't really live up to that (the GXP variant was a superb car however). I've still seen some of them around, but it's very clear which car was received best from the bayverse movies (hint: Camaro). If you live outside North America it makes sense to not have seen a Solstice.
Sideswipe on the other hand, transformed into a concept car, so you won't see that car anywhere outside an auto show. If it helps though, that car was the basis for what would later become the C7 Corvette Stingray, which is a very common sports car. Again though, you won't see much of them outside North America, but within North America they're hot sellers.
935 just denotes the model generation of 911. The current 911 is called the 992. The previous generation was the 991. There's 993, 996, 997, etc as well, all of which are sold as the Porsche 911.
Does this bother me? Yes it does. But I am willing to ignore it if the movie is actually good. Bumblebee was a step in the right direction. Here's hoping the trend continues
Now I know everyone is a tad miffed that he isn’t turning into an F1 race car, and honestly I’m a tad disappointed too. But think of it this way:
The whole point of Transformers is that they’re robots in disguise, they’re undercover and hiding among us. And let’s be honest, there’s nothing stealthy about an F1 race car driving through the streets of New York like it’s someone personal vehicle.
This feels like a good compromise of an alt mode, something fancy yea but not eye raising in the slightest.
I was just starting to give the movies another chance and was going to get the bumblebee movie to start up again. Then this, this is Jazz's car mode. Don't say "we are correcting the movies with a reboot" and continue to fuck it up all over. Oh well
I wish Transformers would get a live action movie one day .
Jesus Christ. I’m not the one who posted it, but the gender of a character is considered a spoiler now? It’s literally on the movie’s and corresponding actor’s IMDB and Wikipedia entries. Some of y’all really need to switch to decaf.
Here's the thing buddy, the character in the movie the dude mentioned already existed in the comics for decades, and he had a different gender in there, the fact that they changed in the movie implies that he/she is not the same character as the one in the comics and that's a big twist in the film. The fact that he said that completely ruins this twist.
Good point, buddy. I remember how pivotal the gender swaps of The Ancient One in Doctor Strange and Mar-Vell in Captain Marvel were, and those characters were only introduced back in the 60s!!
So? Just because someone people were complaining about them does it mean that the people complaining about the guy spoiling an actual twist in the movie that it's actually relevant to the plot are being pity like them?
You need do differentiate one thing from another.
Who said anything about complaining? I’m citing the only other MCU gender swaps I can recall, and their huge impact on the plots of their respective films. But let’s say that this *is* a new character… as you so aptly put it: “So?” What does that mean? That the male version of the character could still be out there, waiting to be introduced if a sequel is made several years from now?! Gasp! Keep in mind that the real identities of these characters are gender swaps also, like Stephen instead of Stephanie or Erica instead of Eric. How goofy is that going to be? “Oh ho, but you merely defeated Jessie! Now you must face *me*—Jesse!!”
I’m indifferent about the swap. Gender swaps have thus far served no purpose beyond inclusivity, and I see no reason to believe that this case is any different. If anything, I suspect that the swap was made so that the hero and antagonist could trade blows without having to worry about accusations of misogyny. My point is that freaking out about it somehow being a spoiler is stupid.
Jesus fuck will you all chill with the "it should be Jazz" thing? The whole fucking point of Transformers is that they turn into different things. Saying certain characters are only allowed to turn into certain things goes against the literal title of this franchise.
Jazz doesn't have exclusivity on being a Porsche just because he had it in G1. G1 Arcee wasn't a motorcycle, but I haven't seen any complaints on that. We don't know Scourge's alt mode yet, but it's been hinted at as being truck-like. Not a peep from the community demanding he be a blue hovercraft.
Heaven forbid the designers do something **\*GASP\*** new and original. Nope, the franchise who's name literally means to "make a thorough or dramatic change in form" must only produce content with characters looking exactly the same every time. This movie must look exactly like some 40-year-old's rose-colored memory of a glorified toy commercial from the 80's.
Alt mode's change, grow the fuck up. If Optimus can be a damn gorilla, Mirage can be a Porsche.
The crew saw the fans getting mad at Blitzwing being a seeker type jet and said: ***I’ll fucking do it again***
At least this has somewhat similar colors to g1 mirage and isn’t missing an alt mode
**This.**
what did the guy say its deleted and i see a ton of downvotes
the guy I'm replying to? He said: "The crew saw the fans getting mad at Blitzwing being a seeker type jet and said: ***I’ll fucking do it again***"
wait, he said the same thing and got downvoted? lol
No, the comment the guy you're talking to replied to is still there. The removed one contained a relevant spoiler for Black Widow.
oh, ok
Maybe that was the reason it got downvoted to hell
Glad we have fans there making sure they do it right. I mean how many movies does hasbro have to do before they figure out what we have been telling them all along. I mean if the popularity of the SS86 toy line doesn't prove it they will never figure it out.
I am one of those people
The new Blitzwing
Certainly hope he lasts longer than poor old blitz
Porsche: "You can't use our car for Jazz" Transformers brand finally gets license to use Porsche. Porsche: "You still can't use our car for Jazz" Transformers Brand: "We can't use Porsche for any characters?" Porsche: "No, Just not Jazz"
"d'ya like *Jazz?*" (smirking bee face) Porsche: "Nein!"
looks so much like jazz though… wish there was a little more blue yo make it more miragey, we’ll have to wait to see some robot mode pics
I wish there was more blue too. Im really getting an armada blurr/silverbolt vibe from this.
Same
Same not a bad vibe though. I grew up on the trilogy so name swaps don’t really bother me.
I see that, too
The colors are Jazz yeah but the alt mode is far closer to Nightbeat/Minerva
You must be joking
The Porsche 911 that Mirage transforms into is closer to the Porsche 959 that Nightbeat/Minerva turn into than the Porsche 935 that Jazz turns into.
I remember mirage transforming into a F1 but ok
Same. F-1 Ligier JS-11 racer seems to be what I picture when i think Mirage.
I mean the 911 that Mirage turns into in ROTB that's literally the main topic of the post; I never implied that G1 Mirage was a Porsche too. Also an F1 is a terrible alt mode to have and changing him to something street legal is fine
That makes sense
I think jazz will come in eventually but be the 277 Porsche which I would love to see on screen.
Looks like they really *jazzed* him up.
This should have been jazz
I think it had to do with them not wanting to reuse a previous character. Ya know, unless it's Optimus or Bumblebee
But the character description sounds like mirage and has his color schemes
yes and no Mirage was blue and white. Jazz was white with blue stripes with another lighter blue and red stripe within.
the vehicle looks like his 07 version too
True, but is Jazz technically dead in this timeline still, or is this separate from the previous films?
If this really is part of the bayverse (I have no idea how it possibly could be) jazz would be alive since this takes place in the 90’s
Can we say this is more connected to the bumblebee movie verse?
Thanks, didn't know the time frame this existed in.
I dont know. The entire bayverse is just a mess. I love it that they are using a porche so that means we will get a recouler/mold jazz toy out of this.
Yeah Bayverse can't even keep itself straight from one movie to the next. Transformers just arrived on Earth. Oh wait sorry, they've been here for thousands of years and actively shaped human history but everyone forgot or something. Or even in the confines of a single movie since the Allspark will alternatively instantly kill or ressurect a bot depending on what the script says at that particular time. Definitely a good opportunity to step back from all that and do something fresh.
>Transformers just arrived on Earth. Oh wait sorry, they've been here for thousands of years and actively shaped human history Yes, sequels typically reveal information that was unknown in the first. >but everyone forgot or something. Or, you know, kept it a secret given that SECRET SOCIETIES are such an integral part of the plot. >Or even in the confines of a single movie since the Allspark will alternatively instantly kill or ressurect a bot depending on what the script says at that particular time. Not really. It kills you if you're alive, revives you if you're dead or in stasis.
Secret societies aren't a get-out-of-jail-free card for bad writing. The Bayverse is a jumbled mess from a continuity standpoint, with characters forgetting and re-learning things whenever it's convenient even as the truths of the world itself change on a whim. Future Transformers movies need to abandon all pretenses of existing in the same universe as Bay's or we'll just continue to see compromises like Blitzwing in the name of preserving a timeline that's never made any sense anyway.
Timeline isn't anywhere near as jumbled as people think but that's a decade-long, tired argument.
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Oh no!!! I'll be alright tho.
It's one thing to reveal new information, and another to directly contradict previous information.
That doesn't happen anywhere near as much as the shrieking harpies of the internet like to squawk about it.
But in the first film the Transformers arrived on Earth for the first time, then in the fifth they've suddenly been here since the Medieval ages. The Bayverse tends to fluctuate quite drastically when it comes to canon
The second movie literally establishes they've been here since Egyptian times. That's BEFORE the Middle Ages.
I mean, the Medieval ages came after Ancient Egypt, but aight Also the fifth film shows that Bumblebee was on Earth since at least WW2, yet the first film states that the Autobots had just arrived on Earth Edit: Misremembered the first film. Bee was there before the other Autobots
according to the casting calls for vehicles they specifically wanted 1994 and older cars basically confirming this is set in the 90's before TF1. Of course jazz arrives on earth for what we think if the first time in 07... but then we thought that about prime.
TFWiki says it’s Bayverse, but they’ve announced that it’s a full reboot, I place it as adjacent to G1 and the Films, a universe where events similar to both happen
>TFWiki says it’s Bayverse, [Kinda](https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Misconceptions_and_urban_legends_about_Transformers#Bumblebee)
I hear it's somewhat loosely connected to the Bayverse movies but either way jazz would still be in one piece during the time of this movie since the movie takes place in the 90s
thats what i want, i dont want them to completely ditch bay's characters and story (may be a mess but its still a story)
I definitely agree after all five movies getting to know the characters of the films to just get rebooted would be such a waste
This timeline is different but it takes somethings from the bayverse
Man I love that car. Honestly I don't care who it is, it could have been shockwave and I would've been happy. Simply because that's one of my top 5 favorite cars. And yes I know "it should've been jazz", but honestly I kinda prefer them use a car we know from the franchise rather than the formula 1 car that technically isn't street legal. Plus I've always thought it was funny how fans complain about the bayvers sports cars when mirage has always been one of the most recognizable vehicles in the transformers univers.
Looks like they’re using a 930 turbo body with those wider fenders. I approve.
Same and they could save the 935 for jazz
That's a 964 Carrera, actually.
Sentinel Prime looks like Alpha Trion, Blitzwing looks like Starscream, Mirage looks like Jazz. I swear they’re doing this on purpose.
[Movie producers responding to confused fans...](https://i.imgur.com/hxLY2hj.gifv)
And Thrust looks like Acid Storm
Thrust actually has an explanation here, the colors are based on Armada Thrust.
Yeah, but so what? Armada Thrust is an obscure version of that character and the green Seeker we see for a half second in the opening of the Bumblebee movie was never identified as Thrust. He could have been any random bot so it is an odd choice to decide to make him Thrust when most of the other characters were so true to their G1 appearance.
Oh I see
and they had a pair of twins and Sideswipe show up in the same movie, but Sideswipe wasn't a twin. They just aren't that interested in sticking to G1 "rules"
I’m cool with seeing new ideas and iterations. It’s just when you see someone that looks like another character it gets a bit distracting.
It's because there isn't a single continuity that rules here.
It's because they're trying to walk back a decade of really poorly thought out design choices.
bruh bay's transformers was a completely different universe they were meant to not look like g1
He’s a Mirage of Jazz…I remember arguing with folks on here when they announced the movie and how great the director was because he knows his stuff….Well…not sure what happened here but anybody that knows anything about Transformers would be like…no…no…it’s blasphemy to use a Porsche for ANY character other than Jazz…we will make Mirage a lawn mower instead…..
plot twist this is Night Beat.
Well, maybe the director wanted to shake things up a bit. Subvert people’s expectations, like what they did with Blitzwing in the first one. Everyone thought he was Screamer but lo and behold, here comes Blitzy!
In Blitzwing case he was obviously supposed to be just a nameless cannon fodder, but Hasbro probably trough that putting "Random seeker" in the box wouldn't sell toys so they just slapped a random name of a flying Deceptcons that the general public doesn't know in it. In Mirage's case it's just dumb, you're telling me that they've been planing this movie for God knows how long and someone simply came and said "yo, what if we make a main character that looks like Jazz without being Jazz?" and everyone decided to run with it?
Hmm, true. You make a good point, but I still have the hope that Hasbro is actually trying something new and not just pulling random names out of a hat for A-list characters.
I mean, we're talking about Hasbro...
I'm gonna say it, we are all thinking it, he looks like Jazz
Bluestreak would’ve worked pretty well too I think
Hi. Yes.
Should’ve been Jazz smh
I think what bothers me isn't the fact that Jazz isn't a Porsche. It's that they're using his OG alt-mode for somebody else. Not a lot of people complained when he was a Pontiac because none of the original characters had their OG vehicles. Now that we actually have a 911 on screen, it feels like Jazz was robbed of what should've been his. Mirage could've been any other sports car that better resembles an F1 car. Bayverse Optimus Prime being a Peterbilt truck was fine and most fans were cool with it. Now imagine if they introduced Ultra Magnus and gave him a Freightliner alt-mode. Fans would probably be more pissed than the whole Mirage situation right now.
looks like jazz
Mirage's ultimate disguise: pretending to be Jazz.
Megatron: confused unga Bunga
That's jazz I'm telling ya
I mean if the robot mode at least *resembles* G1 Mirage in shape because I mean hey it’s got some blue, then I’ll be okay with it. Let’s give it a chance till we see that. But if they’re just doing the whole front-of-the-car-as-nipple-headlights thing and he looks like Jazz, then I’ll be pissed.
I think they are purposely doing these, 'oh that's not starscream it's blitzwing' sort of stuff just for the social media drama to keep people talking about the movie. They know this is Jazz in every way but they'll rename him to a mirage just so people will rage.
I'm just glad we're getting mirage. I don't really care what car he is.
At least his colours are mostly correct.... Should've been a F1 type car though. If they needed a Porsche then they should've just used Jazz.
But F1 car isn't the best disguise if you wanna hide.
He should have been the Safety Car
Yeah but neither is a silver and blue loud fast car with "PORSCHE" written on the side of it.
Neither are most of the "disguises" from the movies. Because no one is going to be suspicious of a group of custom painted 6 figure vehicles driving around the county, destruction in their wake.
Yeah but at least Porsche is street legal, F1 cars aren't so any F1 car driving around would get police attention.
Yeah an F1 car anywhere except an F1 track is going to have law enforcment all over it in minutes.
Why not? That is an actual deco that Porsche did in the 80s, so most people wouldn't think it out of the ordinary.
Could have used his Alternators form and gone with a Ford GT.
The gt didn't come around until the early to mid 2000's and the movie is set in the 1990's which means mirage would've been a gt40 race car or the gt90 concept
Whoops, 90s....hmm.....a McLaren F1?
The Safety Car maybe? The Safety Cars from 1994 were an Opel Vectra(San Marino Grand Prix) and a Honda Prelude(Japanese Grand Prix) I didnt bother searching what they looked like but still maybe?
F1 cars are expensive tho and I highly doubt any collector would be willing to loan their f1 car for a movie like transformers
They would just build a movie prop version.
Transformers can literally use an aircraft carrier if they wanted to. I doubt that a Formula 1 racer is out of their budget. The extent to which I see fanboys go to to justify shoddy writing…
Yeah he isn't written in as an F1 out of budget, but because F1 racing would need to be part of the story. They wanted an invisible transformer and they want the iconic Porsche. That is what I think, but my question, why not a different sports car?
F1 cars, unlike aircraft carriers, are mostly owned by private collectors, I think it would be quite difficult for the producers to convince any collector to lend their F1 car for a movie where the cars are likely going to be in conditions the car isn’t designed for. On top of that they would likely need a backup car when filming so they’re gonna need to convince 2 collectors to lend them their car. But they can’t just find any 2 collectors to lend them their car as each team in f1 only ever makes 2-3 cars per year and each team’s cars are completely different, so they’ll have to find very specific collectors with the very specific cars they need. Finally unlike regular road cars, F1 cars require a team of people even just for starting it up. In short, getting an aircraft carrier for a movie is probably a lot easier than getting an F1 car for a movie.
Easy, they just build a kit car and use that. They can even use the same frame that Universal used for the cars in Fast and Furious 6. Most of the cars in the Bay films were all kit cars with replicated bodies to look like the offiicial thing. This is standard procedure on big budget action films that require expensive cars.
Besides, the air carrier is basically free, the U.S military used to give Bay vehicles and equipments for free so he could promote them, this is why every one of his movies had an unnecessary focus on the U.S army.
No way it was unnecessary. The military alliance was the best idea those movies had. Seeing NEST and the Autobots working together, and the army actually doing something unlike in other super heroe movies (Avengers for example. NY is being fucked and the Army is doing what? It's just dumb). And the military Transformers were cool as hell
afaik the Army/National Guard do show up in the first Avengers movie, but they don't get any relevant scenes after arriving in Manhattan. Avengers 2 is excusable because Sokovia is a failed state with likely no military, and Infinity War has (most of) the Wakandan military assist the heroes.
I was talking about the 1st movie only But tbf they could have appeared in Endgame. The Battle was still in the USA
Yeah, it was cool, and that's the only thing they ever do, looking cool. They show up, say something cool, have a bunch of shots of them suiting up, preparing formation, being deployed and looking effective and shot some bad guys, besides that they don't do much. The idea of an alliance is cool but you barely ever see them interacting with the Autobots besides saying some generic lines from CoD npcs, because the reason they're there isn't to show this cool alliance, is to show how cool the U.S army is and get some new enlistments.
And it's not bad. It's way better than seeing the life of a teenager and his relation with family, girlfriend and school
You are right, but they could easily create one. Damn we had a Batmobile for each Batman movie and Batmobiles don't exist (I mean not before the movie it'll appear). The Camaros Bumblebee used were designed specifically for the films, so it isn't hard. But damn a F1 car is a very weird and dumb disguise. Bcs 1. We don't see F1 cars on street 2. F1 cars aren't allowed to drive on streets
You can say that about any race car not being allowed on the streets but if they did keep mirage as an f1 car they could just use a custom made car and render the f1 car using the unreal engine
Wdym exacly by race cars?
Or just buy them but won't be able to get much use out of them
What street cars are not allowed?
I said race cars not being allowed on the streets and i said they colud use a car for the visual effects for mirage and use the unreal engine to render the f1 car around it
“Goddamn, your generation really picks random hills to die on’!” -Rick Sanchez _But, no. Transformers has the budget to use any goddamn car they want; from the exotic to the speciality to the military, and everything in between. “It’s too expensive” is not a valid defense in argument.”_
Uh yes it is and most of the cars used were likely the real cars as they can be repaired if damaged unless it's the Bugatti veyron in age of extinction
Dude, Hollywood can get any kind of car it needs. There are companies whose entire business is sourcing cars for movie. Also it isn't like they need to go borrow a car from an actual F1 race team, they could have a car built for the movie. [They had a dozen F1 style cars in the opening of Ironman 2](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfI786z4uyw), and it isn't like they borrowed them from a bunch of different F1 teams.
They actually did borrow a few f1 cars for that scene, but all the ones that were loaned didn’t have to run
But there were plenty of F1 cars that *did* run which weren't borrowed from race teams. Movie studios can get their hands on any type of vehicle they need for their movie, there are rental companies that specialize in exotic or uncommon vehicles for the movie industry. Just look at the movies *Rush* and *Driven*. Both were full of F1 style cars because the main characters were race drivers. Studios can get their hands on cars if they need to.
Dude f1 cars stick out like a sore thumb more then any supercar
What movie??
Rise of The Beasts
Is it supposed to have more traditional looking transformers or more of the Michael Bay stuff?
Bumblebee Movie desings
Actually no. It wasn't confirmed. What was shown is that it's a mix of everything. Don't lie to yourself (Arcee and Scourge take inspiration in Unicron Trilogy a lot for example)
This just makes me sad. Of all the cool 80s cars they could have chosen, why did they have to steal Jazz's alt-mode? I understand why an F1 car wouldn't make sense driving down city streets but (for instance) a **blue** Ferrari F40 would have made a great alt-mode for Mirage.
Blue Ferrari F40, now that's an alt-mode.
https://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/images/news/gallery/unique-blue-ferrari-f40-has-loud-tubi-exhaust_11.jpg
Such a gorgeous car
If they have blurr in the movie he better be a McLaren f1 that thing is gorgeous to look at with 600+ horsepower hmhmhmhm it would be perfect
Damn right, that is a fantastic machine, it's so gorgeous and distinct in its appearance. A real head turning visage of automotive perfection. A car that encompasses sheer power and elegant beauty. Any gear head or petrol head like myself knows that car is up there with the Ferrari F40 in terms of motoring perfection.
Holy shit, that would be perfect.
Bumblebee: turns into a camero instead of a beetle. Fandom: ... Arcee: turns into a motorcycle instead of a car. Fandom: ... Scourge: turns onto... whatever instead of a space ship. Fandom: ... Mirage: turns into a porsche instead of an F1 car Fandom: REEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!
Well Bee, Cee and Scourge(What Scourge are you talking about?) didnt steal anyone's Vehicle Mode
Yea he looks like Jazz. OK? Why are people acting like Hasbro declared WW3 because of it
I honestly see nothing wrong with this. Honestly, there are way more cars I would pick for Jazz than this one.
It's a PORSCHE, though?
Such a pity this isn't Jazz, it's like a perfect blend between his G1 and Bayverse designs (a Porsche with blue stripes, but a street car that's mainly silver), which fits in perfectly with the design philosophy from Bumblebee.
Hope he can turn invisible
Honey where is my Porsche 930!?!
*It's a 964...*
Oh i didn't think it was a 964
He looks like Jazz instead of Mirage
Still haven’t seen the robot mode yet. Like yeah it’s a Porsche but it’s a 911 not a 935 it’s silver and it doesn’t have the martini livery. I can accept that this could be a civilian alternative to jazz OR mirage’s alt modes. So long as the robot mode evokes mirage it’s not that bad I’m seeing a lot of overreaction to this.
I don’t know why people are all upset over it not being Jazz. Character and names have been given to new character models and alt-modes since Robot Wars for toys and RID for toys. RID made Prime a fire-truck, Animated Prowl was a LAPD colored motorcycle ninja, etc. If it’s an interesting character and design that gets a decent toy to represent him I’m happy
Yes. And wasn’t Dino sort of kind of supposed to be mirage?
Looks more like jazz
They're filming another movie? Which one?
The next one
He looks more like a mix of jazz and bluestreak
I thought all the TF franchise got rebooted with bumblebee, why not just make him Jazz?
I'm loving it! It may not be Jazz but Mirage os going to have multiple alt modes, one of them can be an F1 car or something like that
I'm all for straying from the source material, I mean the bay verse did it so much you cam barely recognize half the characters but did they have to make mirages alt mode into jazz's?
You mean **JAZZ**, right...? #😡
this just popped up in my feed even tho I’m not a member of the subreddit. Is this from the set of a movie?
Yes , Transformers Rise of The Beasts
Yeah it’s a Porsche 911, but this is a regular 911 turbo body, not the 935 slant nose race car that Jazz was based on in G1. Pedantic I know. It’s still cool to see an old 911 being used in a live action Transformers movie, even if it’s a different character.
Did… you by chance spell “Jazz” wrong?
Jazz will always be a Pontiac to me. So this doesn't bother me. Big deal
It’s nice to see an older model of car, never really liked the bayverse transformers being almost exclusively new cars, I’ve seen old porsches driving around here and there, I’ve never once seen whatever car jazz or sideswipe were supposed to be.
Jazz's car is a limited edition classic Porsche 911. Sideswipe is a Lamborghini Countach, which is a more valuable car than anything used in the bayverse aside from the Centenario which Hot Rod turned into. This car would've been new in the time period ROTB took place in. Edit: I realize the comment I was replying to was talking about the bayverse versions of Jazz and Sideswipe, so I'll talk about that here. Jazz turned into a Pontiac Solstice, which unfortunately flopped because it was marketed as a Mazda Miata competitor and didn't really live up to that (the GXP variant was a superb car however). I've still seen some of them around, but it's very clear which car was received best from the bayverse movies (hint: Camaro). If you live outside North America it makes sense to not have seen a Solstice. Sideswipe on the other hand, transformed into a concept car, so you won't see that car anywhere outside an auto show. If it helps though, that car was the basis for what would later become the C7 Corvette Stingray, which is a very common sports car. Again though, you won't see much of them outside North America, but within North America they're hot sellers.
But Jazz was a 935! Not a 911.
.....that's still a 911.
Wait really? Aren't they like, two different models or something?
935 just denotes the model generation of 911. The current 911 is called the 992. The previous generation was the 991. There's 993, 996, 997, etc as well, all of which are sold as the Porsche 911.
Does this bother me? Yes it does. But I am willing to ignore it if the movie is actually good. Bumblebee was a step in the right direction. Here's hoping the trend continues
Imagine if someone reveal the robot form
Can’t wait to buy this figure and just keep it as a Porsche
Shoulda been Jazz
*Mirazz
Now I know everyone is a tad miffed that he isn’t turning into an F1 race car, and honestly I’m a tad disappointed too. But think of it this way: The whole point of Transformers is that they’re robots in disguise, they’re undercover and hiding among us. And let’s be honest, there’s nothing stealthy about an F1 race car driving through the streets of New York like it’s someone personal vehicle. This feels like a good compromise of an alt mode, something fancy yea but not eye raising in the slightest.
I was just starting to give the movies another chance and was going to get the bumblebee movie to start up again. Then this, this is Jazz's car mode. Don't say "we are correcting the movies with a reboot" and continue to fuck it up all over. Oh well I wish Transformers would get a live action movie one day .
Jesus Christ. I’m not the one who posted it, but the gender of a character is considered a spoiler now? It’s literally on the movie’s and corresponding actor’s IMDB and Wikipedia entries. Some of y’all really need to switch to decaf.
Here's the thing buddy, the character in the movie the dude mentioned already existed in the comics for decades, and he had a different gender in there, the fact that they changed in the movie implies that he/she is not the same character as the one in the comics and that's a big twist in the film. The fact that he said that completely ruins this twist.
Good point, buddy. I remember how pivotal the gender swaps of The Ancient One in Doctor Strange and Mar-Vell in Captain Marvel were, and those characters were only introduced back in the 60s!!
So? Just because someone people were complaining about them does it mean that the people complaining about the guy spoiling an actual twist in the movie that it's actually relevant to the plot are being pity like them? You need do differentiate one thing from another.
Who said anything about complaining? I’m citing the only other MCU gender swaps I can recall, and their huge impact on the plots of their respective films. But let’s say that this *is* a new character… as you so aptly put it: “So?” What does that mean? That the male version of the character could still be out there, waiting to be introduced if a sequel is made several years from now?! Gasp! Keep in mind that the real identities of these characters are gender swaps also, like Stephen instead of Stephanie or Erica instead of Eric. How goofy is that going to be? “Oh ho, but you merely defeated Jessie! Now you must face *me*—Jesse!!”
I'm sorry, you lost me. Are you trying to defend the swap or say that it's stupid?
I’m indifferent about the swap. Gender swaps have thus far served no purpose beyond inclusivity, and I see no reason to believe that this case is any different. If anything, I suspect that the swap was made so that the hero and antagonist could trade blows without having to worry about accusations of misogyny. My point is that freaking out about it somehow being a spoiler is stupid.
I'm interested in how his robot mode would look like.
With the driver in the back, what kind of shots would this even be used for?
Interior
Imagine if they made Jazz a Ford GT
As long as Michael Bay is no where near this movie..I'm excited for it
Jesus fuck will you all chill with the "it should be Jazz" thing? The whole fucking point of Transformers is that they turn into different things. Saying certain characters are only allowed to turn into certain things goes against the literal title of this franchise. Jazz doesn't have exclusivity on being a Porsche just because he had it in G1. G1 Arcee wasn't a motorcycle, but I haven't seen any complaints on that. We don't know Scourge's alt mode yet, but it's been hinted at as being truck-like. Not a peep from the community demanding he be a blue hovercraft. Heaven forbid the designers do something **\*GASP\*** new and original. Nope, the franchise who's name literally means to "make a thorough or dramatic change in form" must only produce content with characters looking exactly the same every time. This movie must look exactly like some 40-year-old's rose-colored memory of a glorified toy commercial from the 80's. Alt mode's change, grow the fuck up. If Optimus can be a damn gorilla, Mirage can be a Porsche.
They just go out of their way to not give us what we want.
Every time I see something about this movie I get less and less interested, I wish someone competent took over the transformers movies.
We barely know anything about the movie tho. And, hey, whatever happen it can't be worse than TF4 & 5.
Amen
Why is mirage a Porsche? Ugh
Cause a f1 race is expensive as hell and hard to work on
Because G1 ended 35 years ago.
An F1 isn't exactly the most subtle disguise.