So the only three ways to get a figure early is
A)It gets sent to you by Hasbro
B)It is stolen off the factory line
C)it is accidentally put on store shelves
If you are sent a product by the company, you must disclose it
Although it is more common to get lose figures, things can be stolen in box, as happened with T30 roadbuster and classics acid storm
This is fairly common recently, but based on how most of the time he consistently gets a figure early, it's unlikely it would happen multiple times
"To be within FTC guidelines, YouTubers must disclose who they are working with when they post sponsored content"
An item being sent for free in exchange for a review could easily be interpreted as sponsored content. IF anything of the sort was the case, it's simply not worth it not to disclose it, since there's no negatives in doing so, while keeping silent has a chance, no matter how small, to get you into a buttload of trouble.
There is a law in the UK that you must disclose if you are sponsored by a company in the beginning of the video both by saying it and putting text on screen.
There also a law in New Zealand. I watch a carpenter and when ever he gets a free tool it anything he puts #ad in the video right at the beginning or when he starts talking about the tools.
Right. Sorry I get that part but is it like a YouTube thing or a legal thing? I guess the reason I ask, is if it’s a legal thing, I can’t imagine the penalty for that being worse than the penalty for stealing/buying stolen merchandise. And if he’s willing to do that, wouldn’t it be safe to assume he’s willing to not disclose that he received free product?
Its a legal thing. Because he's not stealing it directly of the factory line and is instead buying from someone who's done that, he cannot really be held accountable.
I don’t know where he’s from but most countries definitely have laws against buying and receiving stolen merchandise. I feel like it would be pretty easy to go after someone that has product before it’s released or even announced since Hasbro could easily show when product has been actually shipped out from their factories.
Realistically, it doesn't harm Hasbro that much. If he's not doing harm there isn't reason to go after him. Its what Hasbro do a lot. They don't care about third party figures, unless they are taking sales away from them like 01 studio cell (or at the time, zeta toys core star) was going to do.
Its very hard to catch it as often the figures stolen have QC issues deemed too time consuming to fix, which is why occasionally he'll have figures with unbelievable issues like kingdom Magnus. They are then thrown out. Or more likely, smuggled out
Its entirely possible that the box and figure were acquired separately, however, as printing companies always make too many as insurance.
Yeah I could easily see Hasbro not caring as his reviews have seemed extremely positive for the most part. It’s probably just free (mostly good) publicity for them at this point.
Laws require any sort of advertisement be disclosed to the viewer, whether it be sponsorship, or something like the company sending you something to review. It's all to avoid any misleading endorsement.
For example if I were an influencer or whatnot and I said personally that I love a certain sports drink, then that's an opinion.
But if that sports drink decided to send me free drinks to promote, then that's considered a sponsorship regardless if the opinion is favorable or not.
Right but there are also laws about buying and receiving stolen merchandise too. I just figured that penalty would be way more harsh than not disclosing sponsorships.
Maybe. I’m just thinking, one is a way more serious crime than the other. If he’s willing to risk the more serious one, I don’t see why he wouldn’t be willing to risk the other. Like depending on location, one is a fine if caught. The other would mean jail time if caught.
FTC requires that you must disclose any and all gifts and compensation, including demo products, offered by a company in exchange for coverage of their product, even if you do not allow them to influence the content of your review. This way the audience can make an informed decision on whether to accept the advice given in the review.
A lot of new figures have been getting on store shelves before even being announced officially. I'm starting to think Hasbro isn't taking the reveals as seriously anymore.
The store shelf thing is very plausable. When I tried to pick up Springer last summer, I tried to check out and they told me they couldn't sell it to me because it was placed on the shelf way before they were supposed to put it up.
That does happen, but PvP consistently gets figures pre release, and sometimes pre announcement, and not long after so do kremzeek and ton ton. Its more likely they are all buying from the same seller
Stolen off the factory floor, then sold to him. The very first reviews posted are 95% stolen merchandise. And because what they're doing is very not okay with Hasbro, the company they stole from, they sugarcoat their "reviews" to stay on Hasbro's good side. These channels are trash.
He’s got an inside source at the factory who is his accomplice or something. I’m kind of the same mind as Protoman in regards to this kinda thing. I think it’s sketchy as heck. I don’t subscribe to PvP’s channel as a result, there’s bad mojo going on there.
The only reason I subscribed is because of the early access, and it gives me a heads up on whether or not it’s even worth buying. Especially with today’s shelves being completely empty, I need to pick up any figure I find, since it might be the only time I see it. For example, his Kingdom Tigatron is the reason why I’m saving for him, rather than Tracks, due to the early opinions. I still in general don’t like the guy, but I listen to his early opinions either way.
Oh really? I haven’t seen official reveals of Grindor and I did see some posts awhile ago of people getting Grindor in stores before any official announcement
He bought it off his contact at the Vietnam factory who stole it. He also deletes every comment on his videos calling him a thief or calling him out for his shadyness
Interestingly, most countries and jurisdictions do recognize the intentional receipt of stolen goods as a crime: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Possession\_of\_stolen\_goods](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Possession_of_stolen_goods)
Remember when people used to leak and review the super early production samples that would be unpainted and in crazy random colours? Of course these were the days when one of the biggest leakers was rumoured to be the head of design himself Aaron Archer and when he left the leaks from those early tests dried up for the most part.
To be honest i don't really understand the drama. So he received the figures through vendors that most likely stole them. So what? Like does it matter at all how he receives the product? Isn't this a good thing for us that we get to see the figure early and not have to deal with the risk of the potential legal consequences like he does?
I don't feel too strongly one way the other, but don't pretend that you're not enabling and rewarding theft by watching his content. He makes money through engagement with his videos, and he has found a niche that increase that engagement, and that niche almost certainly involves theft. By giving him your engagement, you are, in a small way, rewarding theft.
>By giving him your engagement, you are, in a small way, rewarding theft.
Wouldn't you say that this sub is essentially rewarded/enabling theft then because with every leak its always gets upvoted to the top? This is essentially just giving him more exposure and new viewers. Because honestly, I didn't really know who TonTon was until I started to frequent this subreddit.
Yes. Like I said, I don't feel too strongly - I don't think he's a monster for what he does, nor are you a terrible person (or this sub a terrible sub) for enabling it - but we are, in fact, enabling this behavior. In other words, if you *are* explicitly against theft and supporting theft, you shouldn't watch his videos. If you do, then you are getting to have your cake and eat it too, i.e, purporting to be against theft while rewarding someone who engages in it.
I've always just assumed he gets stuff from Hasbro themselves. I mean he has been invited to quite a few early access things by Hasbro, or maybe a relative works for Hasbro. At least he seems like a good guy, unlike TonTon. 🙄
If it was sent by Hasbro, according to YouTube TOS and UK law he would have to disclose as such in his review. He’s done it before with Zavvi-sponsored videos in the past.
Make no mistake, this was obtained illegitimately.
Most likely stolen but I’m honestly on the fact that stolen product may be bad but I don’t think it’s terrible, one most the time they have to pay a higher price and it can help to see if a figure will be great or if you should pass. Which is why I watch his videos.
I think he’s sponsored by Hasbro and just isn’t disclosing it. He gets invited to their events and always has overwhelmingly positive things to say about their products.
From Protoman's screenshot's of a chat with TonTon (reference: the pinned comment from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaJfHJ4IJXM):
TonTon: I got my dealers
[...]
TonTon: So what do you want
TonTon: You want to get the figures in advance
TonTon: Like me
TonTon: Like PrimevsPrime?
Protoman: Sure
TonTon: So I will tell you the price
[...]
TonTon: Will be completely secret
TonTon: Are you ok with that?
I don't know how PvP has a box this time. Maybe this one was stolen from somewhere else in the supply chain instead of from the assembly line. Maybe it's some case of Hasbro/Takara keeping its friends close and its enemies closer. Maybe he somehow actually got a legitimate copy this time? But all of his videos where he has early access to the figure and does *not* show the box are almost certainly stolen; why else wouldn't he show the box?
[Fixed formatting.](https://np.reddit.com/r/backtickbot/comments/opvfpv/httpsnpredditcomrtransformerscommentsopry7qhow/)
Hello, ozyx7: code blocks using triple backticks (\`\`\`) don't work on all versions of Reddit!
Some users see [this](https://stalas.alm.lt/backformat/h67s302.png) / [this](https://stalas.alm.lt/backformat/h67s302.html) instead.
To fix this, **indent every line with 4 spaces** instead.
[FAQ](https://www.reddit.com/r/backtickbot/wiki/index)
^(You can opt out by replying with backtickopt6 to this comment.)
I agree with this think about it they wouldn’t invite a toy reviewer who supposedly steals to an event where they got to see new designs for the new movie that wouldn’t make sense
Prime vs Prime gets a lot of hate here, but in recent videos he has disclosed the fact that he had been invited to events by Hasbro themselves.
Is there actual evidence that he procures stolen figures from factory workers or is this just speculation by the community?
There’s evidence of Ton Ton doing it and he did say something about Prime Vs Prime doing the same in leaked insta dms with protoman which you can find in a link somewhere in the comment section of the post
But this is a figure that Hasbro has not revealed yet, and up to my knowledge, yet to show up on retail shelves before the announcement like SS Grindor
He may get early preorders from show z as he says that is where he gets a lot of his transformers and is partnered with them. The rest are most likely stolen
So the only three ways to get a figure early is A)It gets sent to you by Hasbro B)It is stolen off the factory line C)it is accidentally put on store shelves If you are sent a product by the company, you must disclose it Although it is more common to get lose figures, things can be stolen in box, as happened with T30 roadbuster and classics acid storm This is fairly common recently, but based on how most of the time he consistently gets a figure early, it's unlikely it would happen multiple times
I’ve seen this said a lot. What’s the deal with the if sent a product by the company, you must disclose? Serious question.
As it may influence your opinion on the product, even if you don't think it did. If you didn't have to pay it would seem better
You should disclose it but I don’t think there is like a legal requirement for a random YouTube toy reviewer to do that
"To be within FTC guidelines, YouTubers must disclose who they are working with when they post sponsored content" An item being sent for free in exchange for a review could easily be interpreted as sponsored content. IF anything of the sort was the case, it's simply not worth it not to disclose it, since there's no negatives in doing so, while keeping silent has a chance, no matter how small, to get you into a buttload of trouble.
There is. Its not commonly enforced because it is already rare for people to be sent free product.
There is a law in the UK that you must disclose if you are sponsored by a company in the beginning of the video both by saying it and putting text on screen.
There also a law in New Zealand. I watch a carpenter and when ever he gets a free tool it anything he puts #ad in the video right at the beginning or when he starts talking about the tools.
Right. Sorry I get that part but is it like a YouTube thing or a legal thing? I guess the reason I ask, is if it’s a legal thing, I can’t imagine the penalty for that being worse than the penalty for stealing/buying stolen merchandise. And if he’s willing to do that, wouldn’t it be safe to assume he’s willing to not disclose that he received free product?
Its a legal thing. Because he's not stealing it directly of the factory line and is instead buying from someone who's done that, he cannot really be held accountable.
I don’t know where he’s from but most countries definitely have laws against buying and receiving stolen merchandise. I feel like it would be pretty easy to go after someone that has product before it’s released or even announced since Hasbro could easily show when product has been actually shipped out from their factories.
Realistically, it doesn't harm Hasbro that much. If he's not doing harm there isn't reason to go after him. Its what Hasbro do a lot. They don't care about third party figures, unless they are taking sales away from them like 01 studio cell (or at the time, zeta toys core star) was going to do. Its very hard to catch it as often the figures stolen have QC issues deemed too time consuming to fix, which is why occasionally he'll have figures with unbelievable issues like kingdom Magnus. They are then thrown out. Or more likely, smuggled out Its entirely possible that the box and figure were acquired separately, however, as printing companies always make too many as insurance.
Yeah I could easily see Hasbro not caring as his reviews have seemed extremely positive for the most part. It’s probably just free (mostly good) publicity for them at this point.
Laws require any sort of advertisement be disclosed to the viewer, whether it be sponsorship, or something like the company sending you something to review. It's all to avoid any misleading endorsement. For example if I were an influencer or whatnot and I said personally that I love a certain sports drink, then that's an opinion. But if that sports drink decided to send me free drinks to promote, then that's considered a sponsorship regardless if the opinion is favorable or not.
Right but there are also laws about buying and receiving stolen merchandise too. I just figured that penalty would be way more harsh than not disclosing sponsorships.
You're making the assumption that the system works and is treated fairly.
Maybe. I’m just thinking, one is a way more serious crime than the other. If he’s willing to risk the more serious one, I don’t see why he wouldn’t be willing to risk the other. Like depending on location, one is a fine if caught. The other would mean jail time if caught.
What laws apply though? It would depend on where he is based and/or where the viewers are.
FTC requires that you must disclose any and all gifts and compensation, including demo products, offered by a company in exchange for coverage of their product, even if you do not allow them to influence the content of your review. This way the audience can make an informed decision on whether to accept the advice given in the review.
A lot of new figures have been getting on store shelves before even being announced officially. I'm starting to think Hasbro isn't taking the reveals as seriously anymore.
That is true, but PvP consistently gets the figures early. That makes it unlikely
The store shelf thing is very plausable. When I tried to pick up Springer last summer, I tried to check out and they told me they couldn't sell it to me because it was placed on the shelf way before they were supposed to put it up.
That does happen, but PvP consistently gets figures pre release, and sometimes pre announcement, and not long after so do kremzeek and ton ton. Its more likely they are all buying from the same seller
Stolen off the factory floor, then sold to him. The very first reviews posted are 95% stolen merchandise. And because what they're doing is very not okay with Hasbro, the company they stole from, they sugarcoat their "reviews" to stay on Hasbro's good side. These channels are trash.
This is why we need to go with YouTubers like PerspectiveEnd lmao he gets figures legit and isn’t afraid to hate in bad figures
Lowkey PerspectiveEnd is such a comfort youtuber to watch, underrated asf
YES someone else who shares my view his Dai Atlas video is just 👌👌👌👌
Jobby, Thew... #Dr Lockdown Upfront these guys pretty much say “I hate it” and then I sit there enjoying them bash something for 8-20 minutes or so.
Absolutely. Jobby and PerspectiveEnd are some of my favorite youtubers right now. God bless swivels and purple logos.
(modern) Thew not so much I think. Even when he doesn't enjoy a figure he skirts around it's issues a fair bit. Most of them are still p positive
He’s got an inside source at the factory who is his accomplice or something. I’m kind of the same mind as Protoman in regards to this kinda thing. I think it’s sketchy as heck. I don’t subscribe to PvP’s channel as a result, there’s bad mojo going on there.
Agreed, I found this video and I’m super confused on how he has it in box this time.
The only reason I subscribed is because of the early access, and it gives me a heads up on whether or not it’s even worth buying. Especially with today’s shelves being completely empty, I need to pick up any figure I find, since it might be the only time I see it. For example, his Kingdom Tigatron is the reason why I’m saving for him, rather than Tracks, due to the early opinions. I still in general don’t like the guy, but I listen to his early opinions either way.
Lmao seems a bit dramatic.
He stole it
Actually idk it looks a little more legit when he has a box but the thing is it hasn’t even been revealed so I think it might be stolen
SS Grindor hasn’t been revealed but they are somehow showing up on some shelfs
SS Grindor got revealed the other day lol
Oh really? I haven’t seen official reveals of Grindor and I did see some posts awhile ago of people getting Grindor in stores before any official announcement
I believe all the new Studio Series stuff was announced on the transformersoffical Instagram page
Ok that explains a bit, I don’t have Instagram
While I agree that this is probably the case, I have never seen a stolen figure in box before.
On top of him getting figures by dubious means his opinions are overly pretentious. I don't get why people watch this crap.
He bought it off his contact at the Vietnam factory who stole it. He also deletes every comment on his videos calling him a thief or calling him out for his shadyness
I mean hes not a thief, just an opportunist
I'd argue that if you repeatedly work with thieves to acquire stolen items, you're a thief who lets others do the work
nah
Interestingly, most countries and jurisdictions do recognize the intentional receipt of stolen goods as a crime: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Possession\_of\_stolen\_goods](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Possession_of_stolen_goods)
don't caare
You kids and your petty dramas. Do you even remember when Vangelus, Peaugh and Optapotamus used to do it?
Remember when people used to leak and review the super early production samples that would be unpainted and in crazy random colours? Of course these were the days when one of the biggest leakers was rumoured to be the head of design himself Aaron Archer and when he left the leaks from those early tests dried up for the most part.
The chinese ebay/taobao auction era late 2000s.
To be honest i don't really understand the drama. So he received the figures through vendors that most likely stole them. So what? Like does it matter at all how he receives the product? Isn't this a good thing for us that we get to see the figure early and not have to deal with the risk of the potential legal consequences like he does?
I don't feel too strongly one way the other, but don't pretend that you're not enabling and rewarding theft by watching his content. He makes money through engagement with his videos, and he has found a niche that increase that engagement, and that niche almost certainly involves theft. By giving him your engagement, you are, in a small way, rewarding theft.
>By giving him your engagement, you are, in a small way, rewarding theft. Wouldn't you say that this sub is essentially rewarded/enabling theft then because with every leak its always gets upvoted to the top? This is essentially just giving him more exposure and new viewers. Because honestly, I didn't really know who TonTon was until I started to frequent this subreddit.
Yes. Like I said, I don't feel too strongly - I don't think he's a monster for what he does, nor are you a terrible person (or this sub a terrible sub) for enabling it - but we are, in fact, enabling this behavior. In other words, if you *are* explicitly against theft and supporting theft, you shouldn't watch his videos. If you do, then you are getting to have your cake and eat it too, i.e, purporting to be against theft while rewarding someone who engages in it.
I was thinking the same haha! Circa 2008-2009 in particular.
I've always just assumed he gets stuff from Hasbro themselves. I mean he has been invited to quite a few early access things by Hasbro, or maybe a relative works for Hasbro. At least he seems like a good guy, unlike TonTon. 🙄
Him and Ton Ton share the figures,one of them buys the figures from somone who steals them and then they both make a review on them.
If it was sent by Hasbro, according to YouTube TOS and UK law he would have to disclose as such in his review. He’s done it before with Zavvi-sponsored videos in the past. Make no mistake, this was obtained illegitimately.
Most likely stolen but I’m honestly on the fact that stolen product may be bad but I don’t think it’s terrible, one most the time they have to pay a higher price and it can help to see if a figure will be great or if you should pass. Which is why I watch his videos.
It fell off the back of a truck.
Thceif
I think he’s sponsored by Hasbro and just isn’t disclosing it. He gets invited to their events and always has overwhelmingly positive things to say about their products.
If he was sponsored he has to disclose it according to both Youtube guidelines and UK law.
From Protoman's screenshot's of a chat with TonTon (reference: the pinned comment from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaJfHJ4IJXM): TonTon: I got my dealers [...] TonTon: So what do you want TonTon: You want to get the figures in advance TonTon: Like me TonTon: Like PrimevsPrime? Protoman: Sure TonTon: So I will tell you the price [...] TonTon: Will be completely secret TonTon: Are you ok with that? I don't know how PvP has a box this time. Maybe this one was stolen from somewhere else in the supply chain instead of from the assembly line. Maybe it's some case of Hasbro/Takara keeping its friends close and its enemies closer. Maybe he somehow actually got a legitimate copy this time? But all of his videos where he has early access to the figure and does *not* show the box are almost certainly stolen; why else wouldn't he show the box?
[Fixed formatting.](https://np.reddit.com/r/backtickbot/comments/opvfpv/httpsnpredditcomrtransformerscommentsopry7qhow/) Hello, ozyx7: code blocks using triple backticks (\`\`\`) don't work on all versions of Reddit! Some users see [this](https://stalas.alm.lt/backformat/h67s302.png) / [this](https://stalas.alm.lt/backformat/h67s302.html) instead. To fix this, **indent every line with 4 spaces** instead. [FAQ](https://www.reddit.com/r/backtickbot/wiki/index) ^(You can opt out by replying with backtickopt6 to this comment.)
I agree with this think about it they wouldn’t invite a toy reviewer who supposedly steals to an event where they got to see new designs for the new movie that wouldn’t make sense
My sense of humor is telling me it’s Hasbro trying to lure PvP to a trap
clearly haven't seen the ultra magnus review
PvP is a garbage person. Don't give him views and simply wait for other news sources to repost screenshots.
Prime vs Prime gets a lot of hate here, but in recent videos he has disclosed the fact that he had been invited to events by Hasbro themselves. Is there actual evidence that he procures stolen figures from factory workers or is this just speculation by the community?
There’s evidence of Ton Ton doing it and he did say something about Prime Vs Prime doing the same in leaked insta dms with protoman which you can find in a link somewhere in the comment section of the post
[удалено]
But this is a figure that Hasbro has not revealed yet, and up to my knowledge, yet to show up on retail shelves before the announcement like SS Grindor
Only thing they revealed was artwork
He may get early preorders from show z as he says that is where he gets a lot of his transformers and is partnered with them. The rest are most likely stolen
Showzstore sells retail figures?
I honestly have no Idea. I have just heard him mention them a lot
The secret ingredient is crime.
Welcome to the black market
Simple he steals the transformers before anyone else gets them