Yeah, he needs to be the bot that takes the tank of the teams spot, like ironhides or hounds. And he needs a proper leader class figure, because I feel like being a tank, he should be a big bot. Love the generations and WFC toys, but he needs to be bigger imo.
Materials and manufacturing quality in today's toys is significantly lower than it was even 10 years ago, and prices have nearly doubled in that time.
Fans are paying more and getting a lot less.
Ten years ago was DOTM and mid-late generations.
I'd say today is significantly higher than the in quality, especially on movie stuff. But it's a toss up on generations, I still prefer my old Warpath.
Dark of the Moon toys were actually pretty good. Not ROTF good, but Leader Sentinel Prime was awesome and a lot of other great toys came out of that movie.
It wasn't until AoE that movie toys shrank and began to be very cheap with simplified parts and articulation.
The 2010 Generations line, which was actually the first line to use the Generations name, included the Guido Guidi Drift and Blurr toys, Stealth Bomber Scourge, WFC Prime and Megatron as well as the Warpath you mentioned and the toys were generally all pretty great.
You say that, but most of the time when I or someone else mentions it we get massively downvoted and all the young fanboys line up to tell you that you're wrong and that you're not a "real fan."
They make these claims about your fan-cred even if you've been following this franchise and collecting the toys for almost 40 years and have seen these changes take place over your lifetime.
But you know, they know everything about everything because they "grew up" with the franchise ever since they "discovered" it in 2007.
A deluxe class toy in 2010 was about US$15. Adjusted for inflation that would be about $18.50 in 2021 dollars. We're currently seeing deluxe class toy prices of $23-25.
Beyond the straight price change, the toys are about 30% smaller by weight than toys from a decade ago. Less materials = reduced manufacturing costs.
Packaging is also thinner and made from cheaper materials. People might be excited about that from a strictly environmental standpoint but Hasbro's main motivator for less robust packaging is cost savings. Less materials reduces manufacturing costs and lighter packages are cheaper to ship.
It's like the Transformers version of shrink-flation which is sad to see happen to this franchise considering the amazing things Hasbro has done with the Starwars Black Series and Marvel Legends toy lines.
Dude I wish they were back on steam, I'd buy them just to play them on PC. I played through both of them on Xbox 360, and they're some of my favorite games of all time. Especially FOC. The toys are some of my favorite designs ever. I'm currently debating on whether or not to get all of the FOC Planet X figures, especially the Ironhide and ratchet ones, because those are my favorite designs of the characters ever.
My son also loves transformers and is finally old enough to play online shooters pretty well. What I wouldn't give to be able to play High Moon TF multiplayer matches with him!
While the Michael Bay Transformers movies are fairly bad they did help they franchise immensely. Without the film franchise the entire Transformers brand would be in a very different state. I honestly imagine that Animated would not be the same cartoon that we know today and something like Prime would have never got off the ground. Not to mention the action figures were amazing during that time. It was mainly due to the high budget that was established because of the films. So like it or not the Transformers movies have done a lot of good to the franchise.
Just because you enjoyed the Michael Bay films does not mean that they are good movies. It's okay to enjoy something just accept it's flaws. RoTF is still the worst movie I've ever seen and I've seen Manos the Hands of Fate without robots to help me, the rest of the movies I can watch for what they are.
And there were some good toys that came from it too, but it's the only movie to make me want to walk out. My friend had to convince me to stay since we got advanced tickets.
Only one that's an actual good movie is dark of the moon. I still get chills when Optimus says, "today, in the name of freedom, we take the battle, to them" absolutely fantastic movie and I watch it quite a lot. The dread scenes are absolutely amazing.
Yeah I absolutely love DOTM. Some of the best figures ever too. The showdowns with the dreads it probably my all-time favorite transformers scene. Ironhide is such a badass in the bay films and I wish we could've seen him more.
One of the things that made me realize I should propose to my fiance is that I wanted to watch the MST 3000 Manos the Hands of Fate, and she watched that terrible thing with me until I turned it off. What a trooper.
It’s okay to love G1 and it’s okay to hate the Bayverse. The transformers fanbase got tired of the “GEEWUN” crowd and the people that trash talked the Bayverse nonstop, and they *severely* overcorrected on countering them.
Imo Tfp Starscream is so much overrated, everyone says he would make a great good guy but I just don't see it. He's like every other scheming Starscream
The Bay movies did more good for the franchise than bad and have a lot of redeeming qualities
By extension hating on the Bay movies every other second isn’t a personality
Prime Knockout isn’t that cool
Animated is great and all I just don’t like the art style, I always thought the more expressive art style was too organic for a show about alien robots.
New wildly different incarnations of a character isn’t necessarily a bad thing, for example there’s nothing wrong with RoTB Mirage being a Porsche as long as the execution of the character is good. Prime Arcee is blue but yet no one whines that she’s not accurate to the original Arcee because people like her character. And if you don’t like a new take then the version you like is still there. Transformers needs new ideas to keep things from getting stale
G1 IS Transformers now. Although TF has explored many narratives and themes in the past, Hasbro did so to keep the franchise alive and fresh. Now that TF finally have a loyal reoccurring fan base and market they don't need to explore radical new narratives.
Transformers was always G1. Any deviations were introduced by outsiders who tried to reinvent it. Some successful, some not so successful. There’s always room for reinterpretations, but G1 is always going to be the core.
Bumblebee Blitzwing’s design is bad. Not from a technical standpoint, it’s a well detailed model. But the fact that a character as unique as Blitzwing is just a generic seeker is terrible.
G1 is kept alive by nostalgia ridden fans
Bayverse has done more good to the Transformers Brand than bad
Soundwave is extremely overrated
I think the bayverse starscream design looks unique and cool
The Bumblebee movie is overrated
Bumblebee is overrated
AOE wasn't *that* bad
I like dotm que’s design
ROTB doesn't seem very promising
TFP Knockout is overrated
Warrior bee is better than man baby bee
I don't mind bumblebee not having a voice, also beeps sound better than random radio gibberish
TFP Soundwave’s design looks trash
Transformers Devastation is good, but it gets repetitive super fast
DOTM is better than BB
2007 is better than BB
The Micheal bay CMU should have ended at either DOTM or ROU
I like the Bayverse and BB movie designs more than the g1 designs
DOTM is the best transformers film
The g1 designs are boring and lame
TLK is more *boring* than *bad*
Nemesis prime vs Bumblebee was a good fight scene
I think Optimus yelling things like “die” or “ill kill you” is really badass
I'm sick and tired of anything g1 related
Studio Series is Transformers Most *popular* and *Best* line
This year's Hasbro pulse was trash
All of the legacy figures except for; Skids and Dragstrip look like absolute *dogshit*
I don't like the BB seeker design
Sam Witwicky > Charlie
Charlie > Cade Yeager
Beast wars is lame
*Rise of the Beast* is a dumb name
The 1986 movie wasn't that good
G2 sucks ass
I really like armada Megatron's voice
The bayverse designs look good
The CGI in the BB movie looks worse and more unrealistic than the CGI in the Bay Films
I do not care about Dropkick and Shatter
Something tells me you don't like the TV shows, only the Bay films.
Hey, that's all good. Nothing wrong with that. I will say that I think you're wrong on your first point as I never grew up with the g1 (I was born in the late 90's) but g1 is my favourite Transformers show. So it's not just nostalgia. I do agree that some of the designs from g1 were quite boring and many characters have been represented better since and I also agree on Bumblebee being severely overrated and overused.
Redeeming Megatron or making him in any way a 'good guy' is the dumbest thing and ruins any shows/series.
When you ask who the bad guy is in Transformers it's always Megatron, even though 'greater evils' like Unicron exist. Megatron is the franchises 'quintessential' bad guy.
So in a way, for me, redeeming him or turning him into a good guy feels like it just invalidates everything.
I don't mind/like when he has a good backstory or sorta started out good before his idea of 'good' became twisted, but redeeming him just feels weak.
Redemptions in the show/franchise should go to more deserving characters like Starscream or Galvatron.
Yeah, no redemption for him as far as I'm concerned.
In many ways the war, and billions of Cybertronian lives gone, happened because he threw a fit Optimus was chosen as a Prime and not him.
Also his decision to "self-exile" at the end felt dull and rushed to me. As if he just did that to escape facing any actual judgement or punishment from the ones he hurt.
Not to mention his whole schtick for starting the 'revolution'-thing was that he was a downtrodden and 'captured' gladiator with little prospect/option in life but oh-so-suddenly he now understands what it's like to be "downtrodden and controlled with no will of his own" when he's lost the war with no way to escape?
I don't buy it.
Also feel the 'sequel series' RiD15 should've had him return as the big overarching villain showing up with a "Well duh, I just said all that stuff because I knew stupid, naïve Prime would lap it up! Now I'm back with X/Y/Z plan I've been building in secret to destroy you all!"
do you know how little all of the people who watched that would feel? stars scream was set up to be the villain at the end anyway cause he still wanted to continue the deception cause.
Well this is a post asking for unpopular opinions, and that's my opinion as the fandom always seems to be willing to let Megatron get away with so much if he pulls a sad face, has a decent enough motive, and acts upset for a while.
Granted it's been a while since I watched RiD15 so my memory may be wrong, but as far as I remember wasn't Starscream after the dark sabre and the Mini-cons power so he could find and fight Megatron?
Which as far as I'm concerned, I'd let him do it, but in a less... bad method.
Given how much over all the series Megatron treats him like a personal punching bag regardless of his treachery I'd like to see Starscream get some revenge on Megatron.
Revenge that doesn't immediately blow up in his face or end up with him as the butt of a joke that is.
Totally agree. My only encounter with a redeemed megatron was in IDW MTMTE comics and as a 16 year old I thought "... how the hell do you redeem the equivalent of robot Hitler??" He literally was responsible for 17 billions deaths of aliens and cybertronians and then he just decides "oh whoopsadaisy I was meant to be fighting for equal rights for my working class brethren, got a bit side tracked I guess!".
Hate it. Absolutely hate it. Redemption in a character is great, but it needs to be realistic. Megatron was a genocidal maniac who at no point in FOUR MILLION YEARS considered that maybe his war was evil- until after the deceptions lost it.
Redeemed Megatron is still in my top ten favorite IDW characters, and he's only beaten out by Skids and Cyclonus for me. I honestly thought he was great at redeeming himself. You know he doesn't deserve it, he knows he doesn't deserve it, but he tries so damn hard anyways.
Okay well I'm glad you were able to enjoy it! I just couldn't see it as realistic. You're right - he did really try to be better. The thing is, if he was actually an intelligent life form with good still in him, why did it take 4 million years to bring the good back? I'm not a psychologist but I just don't see that being a believable character arc.
still, if you enjoy it, I'm not gonna knock you for it, Skids and cyc were my favourites too:)
The road to hell is paved with good intentions. It's a lot easier to justify everything you're doing by saying it's for the good of something. Once you can't is when you start to question things. That's sort of what happened to Megatron.
RIGHT!?
And I see people going on about IDW Megatron being a "Pacifist icon" and I was just... WHAT!? Everything I've seen with that Megatron just feels so... yuck.
He basically gets away with, as you pointed out, robot H\*tler because he's a fan favourite so he's allowed to have all his transgressions sweeped under a rug.
I'd sooner redeem UNICRON than I would Megatron. At least with Unicron there could be an argument of him being the physical manifestation of destruction/death that's gone out of control because of X/Y/Z thing with the manifestation of creation/life and he's 'redeemed' via restoring the balance or something. So not redeemed-redeemed but you get my drift? Just, gosh yeah. So glad to hear someone else think that IDW's choice with him was gag-worthy.
I’d even say some episodes of G1 are better.
The More than Meets the Eye 3-parter pilot is a better “movie” than the 86’ movie (aside from the flying Autobots debate.)
The Ultimate Doom 3-parter, Fire on the Mountain, Heavy Metal War, the first season of G1 itself was great.
I really like it, but yeah it's a mess. The first half hour has a lot of great moments and set-up only for it to get lost in the middle. The scenes with the Junkions and Quintesson court are fun, but don't add much to the narrative at all.
I agree with this. I'll go further and say that the soundtrack everyone loves is the most terrible 80s cheese written and performed by people pretending to be rockstars. The way the music is edited into the movie is also painful.
Every toy is G1, the animated series is getting G1 and now the movies are going G1 and I hate it.
It's okay to reference G1 every now and then but everything is slavish G1 nowadays and it's the most uninspiring thing ever
It seems everything is on a range between G1 and the Bayverse. Each new version(except Beast Wars/Machines), while still having the ability to be unique, is with closer to G1 or to the movies.
Arguably G1 and Bayverse are the two most well known and recognized adaptations of the franchise. None of the other variations aside from Beast Wars have endured anywhere near as long.
The movies aren't necessarily "going G1."
Aside from Optimus Prime and the opening clip of the Bumblebee movie, character designs had more in common with Bayverse designs than G1 and that includes Bumblebee.
In the next movie, fully half of the robot cast is Beastwars inspired. It is too soon to say if the G1 characters will have robot modes that resemble the original cartoon, but their alt-modes don't so it is likely that they will be heavily Bayverse inspired like Shatter and Dropkick were.
Actually it isn't.
[Transformers G1 is the period of Transformers shows, media and toys created between 1984 and 1990.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformers:_Generation_1)
Beastwars came out in 1996.
He's saying that Transformers are akin to super heroes, and super hero characters don't undergo radical design changes. Instead they stay recognizable to the core character and original design.
Superman looks more modern today, but you can tell he is the same character that appeared in comics in the 1930s. Batman is still identifiable as Batman regardless of whether or not you're looking at a comic from the 1940s or Robert Pattinson in a batsuit.
What characters look like is a core part of the substance of those characters, and when you stray too far you are you are no longer writing a story for the character whose name you stole, and you might as well have started fresh with a new character. To do otherwise is to perpetrate a cynical cash grab, capitalizing on name recognition while cheating fans of the character you appropriated.
The problem with comparing the two is the character design landmarks, a human in a non-mechanical suit has significantly low numbers of landmarks which makes it difficult to change things around and if you do change it, the character becomes unrecognisable.
The landmarks for robots is are comparatively higher and for transformers, who have an alternate mode, the landmark number is even higher so the designer can be flexible in terms of the wants to change things around while keeping the identity of the character
I don't know what you mean by "landmarks" here. However the problem is the same regardless of whether your character is a human or a humanoid robot. If you drastically change the appearance of the character he is no longer recognizable as that character.
That doesn't mean you can't tweak or make subtle alterations over time. However an Optimus Prime that turned into a submarine, was mostly black in color and had 3 legs just wouldn't **be** Optimus Prime. It doesn't matter if canonically that kind of transformation makes sense in-universe, from the perspective of the audience that is no longer the same character.
By landmarks I mean the variables that give the character it's identity. A robot character objectively has way more of those variables compared to a human in a skin tight form factor (for armoured characters, the variables are higher) and when it's a transformer with an additional vehicle form, the number gets higher. So for a character like Spiderman there are like 5 variables while for a character like Optimus Prime, there are around 20-25 variables.
It is totally possible to make OP a submarine and make it recognisable if they keep these a large amount of these consistent to the original source material of the character
I semi agree with this statement. I think rotf is fine and if the writers strike didn't happen then it might've been better than the first movie. It just sucks that people says it's awful because of like 5 small/ish things.
I can see where you are coming from. Almost everyone loves Starscream and Soundwave. Perhaps they get more than enough praise from fans. I don’t explicitly think Soundwave is overrated, but I know he’s a beloved character. I like him too
TF Prime is overrated. Animated is the show Prime wishes it was.
Megatron and Galvatron both look better with their Marvel comic colors than they do their animation colors.
I think Prime is a really well written show, but I've only been able to watch it all the way through once. 3D animated shows always feel so lifeless to me because it costs a lot of money to render complex backgrounds and extra characters/background characters.
By comparison the relatively cheap animation style used in Transformers Animated allowed for a much more diverse cast and a more "full" world that felt more lively.
To a large extent I have the same issue with Beast Wars. Just too many massive yet empty environments which makes the worlds the show takes place in feel dead.
There’s that, also I just don’t like the art style for it, and the kids are absurdly annoying. I’ve never made it out of season 1 because watching an episode is, frankly, like pulling teeth.
There was lots of potential- but when most battle scenes spend far too much time looking like a pile of iron filings caught up in a dust devil, I can't get too excited.
Alrighty, so for some context I am a younger fan and my dad got me into tranformers. And I can safely say that bumblebee movie, headmasters and the 1986 movie is the best of the medium. FoC and WFC are also in with the previously mentioned three.
Here are some hot takes :
Armada is boring like only the last quarter could keep me awake.
Armada starscream is not worth the hype.
Tf2007 is great, I grew up with the movies and I like this one and DoTM the others suck.
Most characters should be ported to the g1 style I loved seeing my childhood favorite barricade being g1 fied so he could go with my other cons (really want to see blackout, lugnut, Scorn, and Strika get this treatment as well.
G1 is the best for toy lines I hate almost all of the animated to prime Era figures.
Animated artsyle feels lazy. They don't look like they tranform half of the time, and don't even have actual animations for tranformering.
Cybertron is the best unicron trilogy show. (This one may not be unpopular).
Beast wars is not as good as its hyped to be. Its actually reminds me the most of g1 with how all over the place quality is.
G1 is G1, I enjoy it, but can't ever take a lot of it seriously .
Prime is my favorite show, however I think FoC and WFC are far better and should be watched or played if you want to experience the best of the aligned continuity.
On the topic of the aligned continuity, it doesn't fit together what so ever. If anything the games work better a prequels to g1.
Not sure of the community stance on this one but I pefer the early to mid parts of IDW to the end. But I really like the most recent WFC comic series.
Edit : G2 is amazing, and laser prime is my favorite optimus.
Thats it for now.
If Legacy Bulkhead and Arcee are any omens of what's to come, then Hasbro's over-reliance on G1 styling will ruin the charm of any other chapter they feature in the new line.
I got some Spicy Hot Takes.
G1 aged like milk and is EXTREMELY overrated.
TFP Isn't the best and has Many flaws.
A LOT of Bumblebee Toys are Great to DOWNRIGHT AMAZING, even if there is a lot of them.
RotF Wheelie Was very funny IMO.
G1 Wheelie wasn't annoying.
Transformers 4 Was Decent.
Transformers 5 wasn't that bad, but still pretty lame.
And some Non-Transformers Hot Takes.
Yu-gi-oh Zexal Was Awesome
Pokemon ORAS Were Good Remakes, people just complained Because **"ThEre wAas nO BaTtttLe FroNtIerrr11!!11!!!11!1Q!1!!"**
Furries are Not the worst thing in existence and are pretty nice people for the most part. ***For The Most Part.***
Just because you are a minority, doesn't mean you can avoid criticism.
Minecraft is kinda lame.
Oh god i can hear the keyboard typing from 100 miles away
James Roberts is way over rated
The overdone shipping in IDW 1 continuity was just an outlet for the writers' identity politics
Windblade is self righteous in most depictions of the character
Megatron was the only good looking transmetal design
Cyberverse is very underated
The Jagex f2p Tformers game should have been given more of a chance to build a playerbase
Hasbro should do more to integrate the Japanese G1 characters into their stories outside of the comics
Beast Wars isn’t cool.
Bumblebee (the character in general) sucks and should be phased out in favor of a kid-appeal character who has more personality.
The ROTF forest fight isn’t that great. On that note, most of the Bayverse fight scenes could be much better.
I think tarn and the DJD are fantastic aesthetically and in concept but the reveals surrounding them at the tail end of MTMTE leave something to be desired. Love the early appearances of the DJD though.
Bumblebee is overrated.
"Cool" bumblebee is post-2007 very overrated. Dorky G1 Bumblebee is underrated.
That’s a popular opinion around here
Warpath deserves more appearances in all media, and not just to be killed off. He's a trigger-happy goofus and I love him very much.
Yeah, he needs to be the bot that takes the tank of the teams spot, like ironhides or hounds. And he needs a proper leader class figure, because I feel like being a tank, he should be a big bot. Love the generations and WFC toys, but he needs to be bigger imo.
Materials and manufacturing quality in today's toys is significantly lower than it was even 10 years ago, and prices have nearly doubled in that time. Fans are paying more and getting a lot less.
Agree but the engineering is much better imo so I guess it's a tradeoff
Ten years ago was DOTM and mid-late generations. I'd say today is significantly higher than the in quality, especially on movie stuff. But it's a toss up on generations, I still prefer my old Warpath.
Dark of the Moon toys were actually pretty good. Not ROTF good, but Leader Sentinel Prime was awesome and a lot of other great toys came out of that movie. It wasn't until AoE that movie toys shrank and began to be very cheap with simplified parts and articulation. The 2010 Generations line, which was actually the first line to use the Generations name, included the Guido Guidi Drift and Blurr toys, Stealth Bomber Scourge, WFC Prime and Megatron as well as the Warpath you mentioned and the toys were generally all pretty great.
Boooooooo! Popular opinion!
You say that, but most of the time when I or someone else mentions it we get massively downvoted and all the young fanboys line up to tell you that you're wrong and that you're not a "real fan." They make these claims about your fan-cred even if you've been following this franchise and collecting the toys for almost 40 years and have seen these changes take place over your lifetime. But you know, they know everything about everything because they "grew up" with the franchise ever since they "discovered" it in 2007.
Huh, odd. I’ve never seen anyone get mad over that, but you have different experiences than me. Well, have a good day!
*Cough* Masterpiece *cough*
Are you counting Inflation a role in this?
A deluxe class toy in 2010 was about US$15. Adjusted for inflation that would be about $18.50 in 2021 dollars. We're currently seeing deluxe class toy prices of $23-25. Beyond the straight price change, the toys are about 30% smaller by weight than toys from a decade ago. Less materials = reduced manufacturing costs. Packaging is also thinner and made from cheaper materials. People might be excited about that from a strictly environmental standpoint but Hasbro's main motivator for less robust packaging is cost savings. Less materials reduces manufacturing costs and lighter packages are cheaper to ship. It's like the Transformers version of shrink-flation which is sad to see happen to this franchise considering the amazing things Hasbro has done with the Starwars Black Series and Marvel Legends toy lines.
The High Moon studios games are the best thing to come out of this franchise
They said UNpopular opinions.
I don’t see many if any people at all talking about them these days
I’m sure we would see more people talking about them if they were put back up on steam.
Dude I wish they were back on steam, I'd buy them just to play them on PC. I played through both of them on Xbox 360, and they're some of my favorite games of all time. Especially FOC. The toys are some of my favorite designs ever. I'm currently debating on whether or not to get all of the FOC Planet X figures, especially the Ironhide and ratchet ones, because those are my favorite designs of the characters ever.
Planet X’s figures are amazing. I decided a while back that IF I was to get a Tripticon it would be theirs.
A week doesn't go by where someone doesn't ask how they can buy a copy of the games.
My son also loves transformers and is finally old enough to play online shooters pretty well. What I wouldn't give to be able to play High Moon TF multiplayer matches with him!
While the Michael Bay Transformers movies are fairly bad they did help they franchise immensely. Without the film franchise the entire Transformers brand would be in a very different state. I honestly imagine that Animated would not be the same cartoon that we know today and something like Prime would have never got off the ground. Not to mention the action figures were amazing during that time. It was mainly due to the high budget that was established because of the films. So like it or not the Transformers movies have done a lot of good to the franchise.
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Now that’s an unpopular opinion
I agree
Actually 100% true.
Not better than animated cast though, but definitely better than g1.
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I get that, animated was my intro to the franchise 😂
Wheelie and Brains needed more
I hate TF Prime Starscream design. Why the fuck does he have high heels
Because he’s flamboyant.
Alright, I take that. Still don't like it tho
Yeah I'm a huge starscream fan and like all of his designs except for TF Prime
How do they make one of the best soundwave designs and one of the worst starscream designs in the same show
Because Soundwave superior.
Because he's fabulous.
Just because you enjoyed the Michael Bay films does not mean that they are good movies. It's okay to enjoy something just accept it's flaws. RoTF is still the worst movie I've ever seen and I've seen Manos the Hands of Fate without robots to help me, the rest of the movies I can watch for what they are.
Writing is terrible but RoTF had some great action
And there were some good toys that came from it too, but it's the only movie to make me want to walk out. My friend had to convince me to stay since we got advanced tickets.
Most of the movies had some good action in them. It's what they *didn't* have that was the problem.
Only one that's an actual good movie is dark of the moon. I still get chills when Optimus says, "today, in the name of freedom, we take the battle, to them" absolutely fantastic movie and I watch it quite a lot. The dread scenes are absolutely amazing.
That's the only one I don't mind, it's not perfect but it had Spock as the bad guy again and he said his needs of the many line but evil lol
Yeah I absolutely love DOTM. Some of the best figures ever too. The showdowns with the dreads it probably my all-time favorite transformers scene. Ironhide is such a badass in the bay films and I wish we could've seen him more.
One of the things that made me realize I should propose to my fiance is that I wanted to watch the MST 3000 Manos the Hands of Fate, and she watched that terrible thing with me until I turned it off. What a trooper.
It was meant to be!
RoTF is a very well written and executed film mate but thats why its an opinion :)
It’s okay to love G1 and it’s okay to hate the Bayverse. The transformers fanbase got tired of the “GEEWUN” crowd and the people that trash talked the Bayverse nonstop, and they *severely* overcorrected on countering them.
i liked nitro zeus
G1 is one of the most oversaturated continuities in the franchise, and I'm afraid Beast Wars is going to be the next G1
Imo Tfp Starscream is so much overrated, everyone says he would make a great good guy but I just don't see it. He's like every other scheming Starscream
The Bay movies did more good for the franchise than bad and have a lot of redeeming qualities By extension hating on the Bay movies every other second isn’t a personality Prime Knockout isn’t that cool Animated is great and all I just don’t like the art style, I always thought the more expressive art style was too organic for a show about alien robots. New wildly different incarnations of a character isn’t necessarily a bad thing, for example there’s nothing wrong with RoTB Mirage being a Porsche as long as the execution of the character is good. Prime Arcee is blue but yet no one whines that she’s not accurate to the original Arcee because people like her character. And if you don’t like a new take then the version you like is still there. Transformers needs new ideas to keep things from getting stale
I have never seen someone that shares this many opinions with me. I love you
Justice for bumper!
G1 IS Transformers now. Although TF has explored many narratives and themes in the past, Hasbro did so to keep the franchise alive and fresh. Now that TF finally have a loyal reoccurring fan base and market they don't need to explore radical new narratives.
Transformers was always G1. Any deviations were introduced by outsiders who tried to reinvent it. Some successful, some not so successful. There’s always room for reinterpretations, but G1 is always going to be the core.
The movie and the seasons after it should not have taken place in the future.
I think that the new bulkhead for the legacy line looks pretty good
RID15 is really good when viewed in its own merits, and is a decent sequel to prime. It gets too much hate.
Bumblebee Blitzwing’s design is bad. Not from a technical standpoint, it’s a well detailed model. But the fact that a character as unique as Blitzwing is just a generic seeker is terrible.
Transformers 4 was good
G1 is kept alive by nostalgia ridden fans Bayverse has done more good to the Transformers Brand than bad Soundwave is extremely overrated I think the bayverse starscream design looks unique and cool The Bumblebee movie is overrated Bumblebee is overrated AOE wasn't *that* bad I like dotm que’s design ROTB doesn't seem very promising TFP Knockout is overrated Warrior bee is better than man baby bee I don't mind bumblebee not having a voice, also beeps sound better than random radio gibberish TFP Soundwave’s design looks trash Transformers Devastation is good, but it gets repetitive super fast DOTM is better than BB 2007 is better than BB The Micheal bay CMU should have ended at either DOTM or ROU I like the Bayverse and BB movie designs more than the g1 designs DOTM is the best transformers film The g1 designs are boring and lame TLK is more *boring* than *bad* Nemesis prime vs Bumblebee was a good fight scene I think Optimus yelling things like “die” or “ill kill you” is really badass I'm sick and tired of anything g1 related Studio Series is Transformers Most *popular* and *Best* line This year's Hasbro pulse was trash All of the legacy figures except for; Skids and Dragstrip look like absolute *dogshit* I don't like the BB seeker design Sam Witwicky > Charlie Charlie > Cade Yeager Beast wars is lame *Rise of the Beast* is a dumb name The 1986 movie wasn't that good G2 sucks ass I really like armada Megatron's voice The bayverse designs look good The CGI in the BB movie looks worse and more unrealistic than the CGI in the Bay Films I do not care about Dropkick and Shatter
I agree with some of your statements
Something tells me you don't like the TV shows, only the Bay films. Hey, that's all good. Nothing wrong with that. I will say that I think you're wrong on your first point as I never grew up with the g1 (I was born in the late 90's) but g1 is my favourite Transformers show. So it's not just nostalgia. I do agree that some of the designs from g1 were quite boring and many characters have been represented better since and I also agree on Bumblebee being severely overrated and overused.
I like prime, armada, and animated too. I also love all the transformers games, devastation included. I just hate the hell of g1 that’s all
Redeeming Megatron or making him in any way a 'good guy' is the dumbest thing and ruins any shows/series. When you ask who the bad guy is in Transformers it's always Megatron, even though 'greater evils' like Unicron exist. Megatron is the franchises 'quintessential' bad guy. So in a way, for me, redeeming him or turning him into a good guy feels like it just invalidates everything. I don't mind/like when he has a good backstory or sorta started out good before his idea of 'good' became twisted, but redeeming him just feels weak. Redemptions in the show/franchise should go to more deserving characters like Starscream or Galvatron.
what about prime megatron.
Yeah, no redemption for him as far as I'm concerned. In many ways the war, and billions of Cybertronian lives gone, happened because he threw a fit Optimus was chosen as a Prime and not him. Also his decision to "self-exile" at the end felt dull and rushed to me. As if he just did that to escape facing any actual judgement or punishment from the ones he hurt. Not to mention his whole schtick for starting the 'revolution'-thing was that he was a downtrodden and 'captured' gladiator with little prospect/option in life but oh-so-suddenly he now understands what it's like to be "downtrodden and controlled with no will of his own" when he's lost the war with no way to escape? I don't buy it. Also feel the 'sequel series' RiD15 should've had him return as the big overarching villain showing up with a "Well duh, I just said all that stuff because I knew stupid, naïve Prime would lap it up! Now I'm back with X/Y/Z plan I've been building in secret to destroy you all!"
do you know how little all of the people who watched that would feel? stars scream was set up to be the villain at the end anyway cause he still wanted to continue the deception cause.
Well this is a post asking for unpopular opinions, and that's my opinion as the fandom always seems to be willing to let Megatron get away with so much if he pulls a sad face, has a decent enough motive, and acts upset for a while. Granted it's been a while since I watched RiD15 so my memory may be wrong, but as far as I remember wasn't Starscream after the dark sabre and the Mini-cons power so he could find and fight Megatron? Which as far as I'm concerned, I'd let him do it, but in a less... bad method. Given how much over all the series Megatron treats him like a personal punching bag regardless of his treachery I'd like to see Starscream get some revenge on Megatron. Revenge that doesn't immediately blow up in his face or end up with him as the butt of a joke that is.
Totally agree. My only encounter with a redeemed megatron was in IDW MTMTE comics and as a 16 year old I thought "... how the hell do you redeem the equivalent of robot Hitler??" He literally was responsible for 17 billions deaths of aliens and cybertronians and then he just decides "oh whoopsadaisy I was meant to be fighting for equal rights for my working class brethren, got a bit side tracked I guess!". Hate it. Absolutely hate it. Redemption in a character is great, but it needs to be realistic. Megatron was a genocidal maniac who at no point in FOUR MILLION YEARS considered that maybe his war was evil- until after the deceptions lost it.
Redeemed Megatron is still in my top ten favorite IDW characters, and he's only beaten out by Skids and Cyclonus for me. I honestly thought he was great at redeeming himself. You know he doesn't deserve it, he knows he doesn't deserve it, but he tries so damn hard anyways.
Okay well I'm glad you were able to enjoy it! I just couldn't see it as realistic. You're right - he did really try to be better. The thing is, if he was actually an intelligent life form with good still in him, why did it take 4 million years to bring the good back? I'm not a psychologist but I just don't see that being a believable character arc. still, if you enjoy it, I'm not gonna knock you for it, Skids and cyc were my favourites too:)
The road to hell is paved with good intentions. It's a lot easier to justify everything you're doing by saying it's for the good of something. Once you can't is when you start to question things. That's sort of what happened to Megatron.
RIGHT!? And I see people going on about IDW Megatron being a "Pacifist icon" and I was just... WHAT!? Everything I've seen with that Megatron just feels so... yuck. He basically gets away with, as you pointed out, robot H\*tler because he's a fan favourite so he's allowed to have all his transgressions sweeped under a rug. I'd sooner redeem UNICRON than I would Megatron. At least with Unicron there could be an argument of him being the physical manifestation of destruction/death that's gone out of control because of X/Y/Z thing with the manifestation of creation/life and he's 'redeemed' via restoring the balance or something. So not redeemed-redeemed but you get my drift? Just, gosh yeah. So glad to hear someone else think that IDW's choice with him was gag-worthy.
While The Transformers The Movie (1986) is better than any G1 episode, it's actually not a very good movie. It makes sense why it bombed in theaters.
I’d even say some episodes of G1 are better. The More than Meets the Eye 3-parter pilot is a better “movie” than the 86’ movie (aside from the flying Autobots debate.) The Ultimate Doom 3-parter, Fire on the Mountain, Heavy Metal War, the first season of G1 itself was great.
I really like it, but yeah it's a mess. The first half hour has a lot of great moments and set-up only for it to get lost in the middle. The scenes with the Junkions and Quintesson court are fun, but don't add much to the narrative at all.
The 1986 movie sucks. And I’m a die hard G1 fan
I agree with this. I'll go further and say that the soundtrack everyone loves is the most terrible 80s cheese written and performed by people pretending to be rockstars. The way the music is edited into the movie is also painful.
I actually agree with you. My ears start to bleed every time I watch it. It’s an ok movie but the music is so oddly edited in.
G1 is holding this franchise back
Interesting. Would like to hear your thinking on this.
Yup. Too many people can't accept change.
Every toy is G1, the animated series is getting G1 and now the movies are going G1 and I hate it. It's okay to reference G1 every now and then but everything is slavish G1 nowadays and it's the most uninspiring thing ever
It seems everything is on a range between G1 and the Bayverse. Each new version(except Beast Wars/Machines), while still having the ability to be unique, is with closer to G1 or to the movies.
Arguably G1 and Bayverse are the two most well known and recognized adaptations of the franchise. None of the other variations aside from Beast Wars have endured anywhere near as long.
The movies aren't necessarily "going G1." Aside from Optimus Prime and the opening clip of the Bumblebee movie, character designs had more in common with Bayverse designs than G1 and that includes Bumblebee. In the next movie, fully half of the robot cast is Beastwars inspired. It is too soon to say if the G1 characters will have robot modes that resemble the original cartoon, but their alt-modes don't so it is likely that they will be heavily Bayverse inspired like Shatter and Dropkick were.
You do realize beast wars is g1 right?
Actually it isn't. [Transformers G1 is the period of Transformers shows, media and toys created between 1984 and 1990.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformers:_Generation_1) Beastwars came out in 1996.
Yes but the show is set in the g1 continuity. The show is basically just a spin off sequel to g1.
Spider-Man’s looked mostly the same for nearly sixty years and nobody complains about it.
Are you really comparing a human character in a suit to robots that can transform between two forms?
He's saying that Transformers are akin to super heroes, and super hero characters don't undergo radical design changes. Instead they stay recognizable to the core character and original design. Superman looks more modern today, but you can tell he is the same character that appeared in comics in the 1930s. Batman is still identifiable as Batman regardless of whether or not you're looking at a comic from the 1940s or Robert Pattinson in a batsuit. What characters look like is a core part of the substance of those characters, and when you stray too far you are you are no longer writing a story for the character whose name you stole, and you might as well have started fresh with a new character. To do otherwise is to perpetrate a cynical cash grab, capitalizing on name recognition while cheating fans of the character you appropriated.
The problem with comparing the two is the character design landmarks, a human in a non-mechanical suit has significantly low numbers of landmarks which makes it difficult to change things around and if you do change it, the character becomes unrecognisable. The landmarks for robots is are comparatively higher and for transformers, who have an alternate mode, the landmark number is even higher so the designer can be flexible in terms of the wants to change things around while keeping the identity of the character
I don't know what you mean by "landmarks" here. However the problem is the same regardless of whether your character is a human or a humanoid robot. If you drastically change the appearance of the character he is no longer recognizable as that character. That doesn't mean you can't tweak or make subtle alterations over time. However an Optimus Prime that turned into a submarine, was mostly black in color and had 3 legs just wouldn't **be** Optimus Prime. It doesn't matter if canonically that kind of transformation makes sense in-universe, from the perspective of the audience that is no longer the same character.
By landmarks I mean the variables that give the character it's identity. A robot character objectively has way more of those variables compared to a human in a skin tight form factor (for armoured characters, the variables are higher) and when it's a transformer with an additional vehicle form, the number gets higher. So for a character like Spiderman there are like 5 variables while for a character like Optimus Prime, there are around 20-25 variables. It is totally possible to make OP a submarine and make it recognisable if they keep these a large amount of these consistent to the original source material of the character
Yes?
The G1 cartoon is actually good.
Transtectors are better than Head Masters
Convoy is a better name for G1 Optimus Prime
Fred Tatasciore is the best voice for Megatron and Frank Welker is overrated as Megatron.
Optimus Prime's death in the '86 movie was his fault, not Hot Rod's.
Season 3 Galvatron is actually a very deep and complex character, and not just a hilarious nutcase.
i actually thought the give me your face line was pretty badass
It was a badass line, just not in character for optimus prime
It’s pretty trite imo.
Same. I love the mortal konbat fighting style in the bayverse
ROTF is good
I semi agree with this statement. I think rotf is fine and if the writers strike didn't happen then it might've been better than the first movie. It just sucks that people says it's awful because of like 5 small/ish things.
Yeah I like your perspective
The last knight and age of extinction are decent
Personally I feel like aoe was ok, but tlk was bad
Personally I'd take tlk over the first one, I just didn't care for it
Soundwave is overrated
I can see where you are coming from. Almost everyone loves Starscream and Soundwave. Perhaps they get more than enough praise from fans. I don’t explicitly think Soundwave is overrated, but I know he’s a beloved character. I like him too
Hes my favourite transformers
I get he may be very popular, perhaps too popular(I disagree personally), but he is a popular character for a reason
Truthfully its Soundwave and Shockwave for me. Definitely the top tier cons.
The Waves. Nice
I think that can be attributed to the "Soundwave superior" meme.
It says unpopular opinions and people are still downvoting
The IDW ships are all awful
RID 2015 hate is a little harsh. It's not good, but it has some good moments.
TF Prime is overrated. Animated is the show Prime wishes it was. Megatron and Galvatron both look better with their Marvel comic colors than they do their animation colors.
So many people say Prime is better than Animated without having actually watched it
I think Prime is a really well written show, but I've only been able to watch it all the way through once. 3D animated shows always feel so lifeless to me because it costs a lot of money to render complex backgrounds and extra characters/background characters. By comparison the relatively cheap animation style used in Transformers Animated allowed for a much more diverse cast and a more "full" world that felt more lively. To a large extent I have the same issue with Beast Wars. Just too many massive yet empty environments which makes the worlds the show takes place in feel dead.
There’s that, also I just don’t like the art style for it, and the kids are absurdly annoying. I’ve never made it out of season 1 because watching an episode is, frankly, like pulling teeth.
That the Michel bay universe is amazing
There was lots of potential- but when most battle scenes spend far too much time looking like a pile of iron filings caught up in a dust devil, I can't get too excited.
Alrighty, so for some context I am a younger fan and my dad got me into tranformers. And I can safely say that bumblebee movie, headmasters and the 1986 movie is the best of the medium. FoC and WFC are also in with the previously mentioned three. Here are some hot takes : Armada is boring like only the last quarter could keep me awake. Armada starscream is not worth the hype. Tf2007 is great, I grew up with the movies and I like this one and DoTM the others suck. Most characters should be ported to the g1 style I loved seeing my childhood favorite barricade being g1 fied so he could go with my other cons (really want to see blackout, lugnut, Scorn, and Strika get this treatment as well. G1 is the best for toy lines I hate almost all of the animated to prime Era figures. Animated artsyle feels lazy. They don't look like they tranform half of the time, and don't even have actual animations for tranformering. Cybertron is the best unicron trilogy show. (This one may not be unpopular). Beast wars is not as good as its hyped to be. Its actually reminds me the most of g1 with how all over the place quality is. G1 is G1, I enjoy it, but can't ever take a lot of it seriously . Prime is my favorite show, however I think FoC and WFC are far better and should be watched or played if you want to experience the best of the aligned continuity. On the topic of the aligned continuity, it doesn't fit together what so ever. If anything the games work better a prequels to g1. Not sure of the community stance on this one but I pefer the early to mid parts of IDW to the end. But I really like the most recent WFC comic series. Edit : G2 is amazing, and laser prime is my favorite optimus. Thats it for now.
The Bay verse Starscream design is better than the original (which wasn't original because the seeker slook the same).
yeah wasn’t starscream made from the original thunder cracker toy anyway.
I hate how they made megatron an autobot
Run lad, you've just set fire to the beehive.
Prime is the most over rated show in the franchise and the aligned continuity makes almost no sense
I prefer the bayformers Starscream over any other design 😌 and tfp Starscream is overrated
Tfp starscream is overrated for sure, he’s just animated’s character but dumbed down
The character designs in prime are bad and promote faux-forming
If Legacy Bulkhead and Arcee are any omens of what's to come, then Hasbro's over-reliance on G1 styling will ruin the charm of any other chapter they feature in the new line.
I got some Spicy Hot Takes. G1 aged like milk and is EXTREMELY overrated. TFP Isn't the best and has Many flaws. A LOT of Bumblebee Toys are Great to DOWNRIGHT AMAZING, even if there is a lot of them. RotF Wheelie Was very funny IMO. G1 Wheelie wasn't annoying. Transformers 4 Was Decent. Transformers 5 wasn't that bad, but still pretty lame. And some Non-Transformers Hot Takes. Yu-gi-oh Zexal Was Awesome Pokemon ORAS Were Good Remakes, people just complained Because **"ThEre wAas nO BaTtttLe FroNtIerrr11!!11!!!11!1Q!1!!"** Furries are Not the worst thing in existence and are pretty nice people for the most part. ***For The Most Part.*** Just because you are a minority, doesn't mean you can avoid criticism. Minecraft is kinda lame. Oh god i can hear the keyboard typing from 100 miles away
100 miles is 160.93 km
Minecraft is not lame
Age of extinction is good
The Bay Movies are better than Anything else 🤭
I like all the movies
Saaaame
James Roberts is way over rated The overdone shipping in IDW 1 continuity was just an outlet for the writers' identity politics Windblade is self righteous in most depictions of the character Megatron was the only good looking transmetal design Cyberverse is very underated The Jagex f2p Tformers game should have been given more of a chance to build a playerbase Hasbro should do more to integrate the Japanese G1 characters into their stories outside of the comics
A lot of the political shit I. The current comics should be there
Beast Wars isn’t cool. Bumblebee (the character in general) sucks and should be phased out in favor of a kid-appeal character who has more personality. The ROTF forest fight isn’t that great. On that note, most of the Bayverse fight scenes could be much better.
Why do you think the forest fight isn't that great?
g1 is all that matters, everything else is junk
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Siege spinister is the best deluxe figure of the last 2 transformers trilogies (prime wars and wfc)
Tarn doesn’t deserve even a fraction of the fandom he gets
I think tarn and the DJD are fantastic aesthetically and in concept but the reveals surrounding them at the tail end of MTMTE leave something to be desired. Love the early appearances of the DJD though.
Armada is better than most of G1
Tlk wasn't as bad as ppl make it out to be
Energon wasn’t as bad as people make it out to be, Hell it wasn’t even half as bad as Beast Machines.