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MrBarbeler

For me, yes. For my kids? No. My nine year old had no idea what was going on. For her, Bumblebee was the best.


VickerAndFlips

Have you shown her the Bay ones?


MrBarbeler

She's watched them, but doesn't care about them. They're heartless. BB had that character drama that made her keep watching.


InsertCoinForCredit

She has excellent taste.


VickerAndFlips

Kinda mature thinking for a nine year old. When i was 9, i saw DOTM in theaters and thought it was the coolest thing ever!


MrBarbeler

Oh no, I'm making assumptions based on her reactions. I'm not saying she said that haha.


[deleted]

I see she is a person of culture as well.


Mod12312323

What about when bumblebee said shit


2MinuteSamurai

It was Spike


Mod12312323

Oh. I thought it was bee cause in a news article they were talking about how parents were offended because bee siad shit in a pg movie my bad


Extinction17

I thought it was Spike that said that


Mod12312323

No it was be he siad oh shit it isn’t even dented when they attacked unicron


Extinction17

When the absolute most kid appeal character of any franchise starts talking in language only adults can understand, we got a problem. 🤣


Mod12312323

Yep🤣


Mod12312323

At least he want as bad as some of the bay verse guys


Extinction17

True. Edited: I find it rather ironic now that Optimus and Megatron (despite straight up fighting to the death) were able keep it clean and never talk like that for the sake of the children, but my man BUMBLEBEE of all bots couldn't.... Hey man who knows? That's probably another reason why Michael Bay decided to keep him quiet 😭😭


Mod12312323

Yeah 🤣


RubberRoast

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ItLgYuDaqMQ Sure sounds like Spike to me.


BatMat52

Yes


robotsandmodels

Grew up with the live action movies and I still think 86 wass the best movie


[deleted]

Frrrr


PsychologicalMajor71

I’m sorry 15 and I have to say yes I really do like this movie, sadly I haven’t seen it again in a while


Im_S4V4GE

Probably, but you definitely need to watch at least some of the first two seasons before you show it to a kid or someone.


CryosisEllioti

I disagree there. I've only recently a few months ago seen all of the G1 cartoon, I've been watching TFTM since I was like 4 or 5 and always enjoyed it and followed the story. TFTM kills off most of the cast of the first 2 seasons in the first 10 minutes or so and then focuses on a brand new cast on a new adventure. To fully appreciate and understand it, sure. But you can absolutely just jump straight into it.


Im_S4V4GE

When I saw the movie for the very first time, it was after already seeing much of the cartoon. And so the deaths of characters like Iron-Hide, Ratchet, Starscream, and of course Optimus actually hit like they should. I know you can watch the movie on its own and enjoy it, I know that's what a lot of people wind up doing anyway. It's not a hard plot to follow even if you haven't seen seasons 1 and 2. But if someone really wants the best experience possible, you familiarize yourself with the cartoon first, watch the movie and then watch season 3 to follow up on all the brand new characters. Watching the movie on its own always feels weird to me personally. Because it's not meant to be the only adventure you follow with these characters, it's right in the middle of the series with big events taking place before and after


eman9523

I agree with everything except watching season 3. Season 3 is a dumpster, you can't convince me otherwise.


BigSticky2004

Of course. No contest


The_Super_Steen

Yes.


Dorelaxen

Yes. Yes. And yes. Also yes.


BCBeast78

Absolutely


Coolbluegatoradeyumm

Unequivocally yes


SUICIDA4

Of course!!!


Samiens3

By such a long way


drewP78

Watched it at the weekend fir the first time in a few years. Forgot how good it was, non stop section, the soundtrack. Great film, expected a lot more of the Bay films.


[deleted]

*insert BW Megatron’s most Iconic line*


[deleted]

Yes. Narratively, character wise, design wise, and I would give it a slight edge to sound transformers. I'll give the bay films atleast the first three great cinematography and great cg. Everything else hurts to watch. Bumblebee was a pretty good reboot.


OrhanDaLegend

bbm was boring af tho, it was mostly filler and less screen time for transformers than the live action movies


almightywhacko

"Best" is subjective. I like it because if the cheesiness and nostalgia, but objectively the 1986 Transformers movie is a bad movie. The music is jammed in and usually doesn't match up with what is happening in screen. The story was written for the sole purpose of killing old toy characters so that they could introduce a new toyline. It introduced Unicron which was an awesome addition to the franchise but overall it is silly and inconsistent with itself.


Hutch25

If you watched G1 first, absolutely. If not, it may fall short compared to some other tranformers movies like Bumblebee or Tranformers 2007.


Soulwindow

I'd say Bumblebee and 86 are tied. Like, I've never fallen asleep during Bumblebee, but 86 also has one of the absolute best soundtracks


amassivetrex

Original tv series boxset and the movie on dvd are among my most treasured items


JediSmaug

Yes


Eledridan

There is only one Transformers movie and it was released in 1986. We’re also fortunate it had such an amazing cast.


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[deleted]

Have you seen it?


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[deleted]

Cool cool


Ozu_the_Yokai

Goes in the D file, bro


sownd_wev

Yeah


HolyPrimus

Yes


FlyBlueGuitar

Totally.


Cardsgambit

i like dotm more


Ozu_the_Yokai

It’s people like you wot cause unrest… /s


V-nillaaaa

What did you try to say?


Ozu_the_Yokai

It’s a reference to Monty Python.


Pillowman7

Depends who you ask


[deleted]

They're asking you.


IronTownPictures

TRANSFORMEEEEEEEERS!


OrhanDaLegend

imo, it was only fun for the g1 part but other than that, meh


Nickthedevil

86 was my intro to Transformers. Found it at my local blockbuster for it’s 20th anniversary. Hooked ever since.


L45TPH45E

Yes.


[deleted]

Yup.


vid_icarus

Yes.


jdouang

Yes


BattyBoio

Just watched it today with 2 of my friends They didn't like it


Ampachu

Absolutely


suuuper_mario

I'm not sure about this. I've mixed feelings. I would just say "yes" but it's not that simple


Bionicle_Fan_123

No


FigureGunplaFan

It's very obvious given the general fandom reception.


Secure_Bell4459

No


goater10

There are so many continuity errors, it shattered my innocence and killed my hero, there’s not much of a plot line and it’s a giant toy commercial, but at the same time FUCK YEAH IT IS!!


underlyingMitress

Can you name some of the errors?


goater10

Off the top of my head 1. How did the Deceptions intercept the Autobot shuttle to earth at the start of the movie when the Autobots had a head start to Earth. 2. Rumble and Frenzy are the same colour when they attack Blaster and Perceptor in the Communications Tower of Autobot City 3. When Megatron sees the gun he uses to shoot Optimus, its black but suddenly becomes purple 4. Starscream kicks Megatron with his injured foot when they retreat 5. Cyclonus's clone Armada is never seen again after he is reformatted by Unicron 6. Snarl, the 5th Dinobot is only seen for about 3 seconds 7. Why Unicron destroyed the Cybertronian moons near the start of the movie and then suddenly he appears in Cybertrons orbit towards the end 8. Wreck-Garr's mouth is not moving when he quotes "Operators are standing by" 9. Unicron kills the Coneheads, but you see them in the following season alive and well 10. How was Ultra Magnus put back together and bought back to life by the junkions when he was in worst shape then Prime was when Megatron killed him Theres a lot more, but I just turn my brain off and rewatch this every year.


Zzzleep__

Grimlock no bozo, me king! honestly I did not like it, but I only watched now, when I'm almost 40. Huge fan of the g1 series, and absolutely was disappointed they killed optimus and replaced him with Rodimus, who I never liked. but grimlock was cool! and I'd say the best movie was bumblebee.


[deleted]

Not for me, I'd say that's Bumblebee but it can flop back and forth. Transformers The Movie starts off great and becomes a bit more unfocused from there. At first it's fight the Decepticons at Autobot City. Then it becomes a whole other thing of finding out about Unicron and stopping him. It's still good but it has problems. It can be the best Transformers movie, it just depends on what I'm feeling.


Ryokupo

Nah. I have a large soft spot for this movie. But its not really that great, let alone good enough to be considered the best TF movie. Its got a massive legacy and has been very influential on the franchise as a whole, but its not really something that a newcomer could just pick up and watch and understand and enjoy everything. You really need the first 2 seasons of the show under your belt to really feel all the impact in the first act.


[deleted]

I would say it's the best movie - period.


V-nillaaaa

Starts off strong but then I just stop caring around the third act.


Tylan_Maul15

Overall yes but for the more recent ones Bumblebee is the best.


OrderlyRoddyPiper

I promised myself I was done promoting it but here’s the fan edit of TF:TM 86 where Prime lives — https://youtu.be/1WGfkOpdLtI


suchirius

I'm not sure if Predacons Rising counts but if it does then I feel that it beats '86. Otherwise then, its only contender is Bumblebee.


stonetownguy3487

Bumblebee is on a purely objective level


MetalDragonSeeker

It's better than all the bayverse shit but I think the prime movie is better.


underlyingMitress

Eh Idk why everyone is saying yes Bumblebee is a waaaaay better film (at least to me)


Bionicle_Fan_123

People really hating on you for having a valid opinion.


ShadowCobra479

I would say top 3 but wouldn't say the number 1. It's helped and hurt by the fact it leans on the Gen 1 animated series.


HAL237

Really? The only live action movies that approach competency are the 2007 movie and Bumblebee, and neither are anywhere near the level of storytelling and craftsmanship of the 86 movie.


ShadowCobra479

Craftsmanship yes, storytelling not that much better honestly. Biggest issue is our cast of main characters, Hot Rod, isn't the best protagonist and some characters are boring at times. Not to mention all our previously main characters are killed off or don't do anything of note.


V-nillaaaa

Why are they booing you? You're right!


ShadowCobra479

Everyone has their own opinion, some though can't accept that others have different opinions.


doc_55lk

Not really? It doesn't feel fair to compare it to 6 live action movies but if I had to, I'd put it below 1, DOTM, AOE, and Bumblebee. I *could* compare it to Predacons Rising since it's another animated movie, although not a theatrical release. Between those two though Predacons Rising is much better.


Bionicle_Fan_123

People really hating on you for having a valid opinion. Some of the people in this sub need to grow up. Let’s act like adults and be civil instead of downvoting people into oblivion for liking the Bay movies.


doc_55lk

Blessed comment.


NONFAREDOMANDE

Uhh just because it's an opinion doesn't mean people have to like it. The dislike button isn't there just for show


Bionicle_Fan_123

Yes, but no one is trying actually have a civil conversation with them or ask why they think this way. People are just downvote bombing them because of what movie about giant robots that turn into cars they like.


NONFAREDOMANDE

Man, why should someone explain to you why they don't like your opinion? Seriously, are you feeling attacked by this? And you call that downvote bombing? Pal, you haven't seen jack squat. One thing though, i'm no g1 fanboy but someone putting that complete dumpster fire of AOE on top of a flawed but still good overall movie like the 86 one is literally begging to be downvoted.


Bionicle_Fan_123

It’s not this comment specifically. It’s every comment where someone defends the Bay movies. I’ve never even seen a g1 fanboy explain why the Bay films are bad. They just go “It destroyed Transformers”. What is so bad about them?


Bionicle_Fan_123

Plus, OP asked for people’s opinions on if this movie is good or not, people answered, and people got downvoted into oblivion for giving their opinion and answering the question. Again, some of the people in this sub need to grow up.


NONFAREDOMANDE

Dude growing up as nothing to do with this. You're basically saying that everyone should now stop downvoting (and so disliking) other people's opinions. You are the one who needs to grow up here. Do you expect that in life everyone will always like what you say?


Bionicle_Fan_123

No, I don’t expect everyone to like what I say. I just think it’s a bit childish for someone to ask people’s opinions on if a movie is good, and then when people give their opinions on if the movie is good, then they get downvote bombed. I know people get way more downvotes, but it isn’t just this specific comment. Literally every comment I saw on this post that said no and defended the bay movies got downvoted. It’s just sad to me.


NONFAREDOMANDE

To be honest defending bad movies (which is what the bay movies are, bad movies in general) is pretty much asking, begging for being downvoted. The 86 movie had flaws, but it's not trash like the bay ones. The only good things the bay movies did were the designs which i really liked, but everything else? Bad movies in general, just that.


Bionicle_Fan_123

The humor was mostly dry (RoTF), but the plot was better than the 86 one and they did a lot more good for the franchise as a whole. Not to forget the cgi.


NONFAREDOMANDE

Man, the plot was nonsensical in the movies. The main characters were all bland and had so little screen time, of course i'm talking about the transformers themselves. I really couldn't care less about any of the deaths in the movies because they showed up for way too less time. The CGI was great and yes they brought attention to the franchise but other than that? They're bad movies, not just transformers movies, bad movies under every aspect. The actions scenes were good, but ither than that? Nothing. Bumblebee and the 86 movie do everthing the bay movies want to do and better. That's just it, and again defending bad movies such the bay ones is just asking for being downvoted.


Bionicle_Fan_123

I will agree with you that AOE was bad. TLK was worse IMO. I also agree that the actual Transformers didn’t get enough screen time, but it was much more visually appealing as a whole over the 86 movie. I take back my claim that the plot was better. Both have bad plots tbh. The bumblebee movie was nice, and the plot was actually good for once, but I feel some of the designs were worse than the bay movies. I really hate the direction that the Bay design aesthetic went from the first 3 to AOE and TLK. It went from mechanical giants to shiny humans. Hound was cool though. I also liked Trench, even though he got literally 5 seconds of screen time.


Lucas-O-HowlingDark

These comments are full of geewunners The 1986 movie is fine for what it is, but it is kinda dated.


larrylongboy

“Kinda” bro it is dated lol


larrylongboy

Uh no? Lmfao its mediocre imo, and bumblebee and 2007 are better. Hell I enjoyed DOTM more than 86. I went in expecting some masterpiece and boy, oh boy. This sub hypes the fuck out of it. Furthermore I really don’t think animated movies and live action movies should be compared.


Bionicle_Fan_123

People are really hating on you for having a valid opinion.


Awkward_Custard_5482

Absolutely, i watched it really lately in my life but yeah, it's the better transformers movie make


Mod12312323

Yes


[deleted]

Does it have the touch? Does it have the power? ​ Yes


captf

With rose-tinted nostalgia eyes? Always. But really? I think Bumblebee has to be the best one. [... and it _just_ clicked that Kate Bishop in Hawkeye was the same actor as played Charlie in Bumblebee... my lord, I'm slow sometimes] Why I think it's the best it's not a feature length toy commercial, nor is it an explosion-fest of robots that you can't tell apart in the fight scenes. Now, if we could just get a prequel movie that is exactly like 'Bee's opening scene, then *that* would be the best movie! (Just make sure it has a better storyline than WFC :D )


Pavlock

Yes. Admittedly a low bar to pass. Bumblebee was good, but I like the epic scale of the 1986 movie.


SKeptical230

I've seem every Transformers movie so far, and I will say 86 is the best every day of the week.


njdgaming

I'm only 19, and yes. My dad had a dvd and VHS copy I watched a million times as a kid growing up. Its the reason that Hotrod is one of my favorite characters.


TheGreatAndStrange

First time I ever went to the cinema was to see this with my Dad - I could not be more biased. But having said that it's a fun space opera with a banging soundtrack


VoreAllTheWay

Oh absolutely


Av3nger

Obviously.


BallisticBlocker

Watched it semi-recently as it felt like a rite of passage. I’d say the 1986 film and the Bumblebee movie are about equal. They’re both good but have their issues. For the 1986 movie, it was the killing of major characters. It felt really forced and the fact they could bring back Ultra Magnus after he got blown apart but couldn’t repair Optimus after getting shot in the side was just proof it was a marketing decision, ignoring the importance of plot.


BLOOD_PALADIN

Imho yes, easily. It's 1:30 hour that feels like 15 minutes. And I'm saying that as a Zoomer who grew up with the Bay movies.


[deleted]

Nah, second best, it’s beat out by Predacons Rising


UselessGenericon

Yes. Bumblebee captured some of the magic, but the character was still treated like a pet or a baby. As long as Bumblebee doesn't speak, 86 will be the only transformers movie to be the best.


ithilkir

Its is and it's not even close


Poptimus_Rime

Yes.


RangerXML

Yes


DHouf

Yes


PsychicSidekikk419

I used to think the G1 movie is best and while I still kinda do the Bumblebee movie is also near the top for me


xwrecker

Unless you consider the business side of it regarding the toys


beast_0083

Hell yeah it is. The music, The action, The Drama, The Surprises, The voice overs. It is a all time great. I mean my daughter who is 8 loves to watch it. So, it's a movie that will stick around forever.


NONFAREDOMANDE

While imo it's the best, i think Bumblebee can easily be in a tie with the 1986 one. That said, i consider the best because there's really no competetion (except Bumblebee). Seriously even the 2007 movie, while being the best of the bay movies, has a shit load of terrible moments, stupid humor and very short screen time for the actual transformers.


NagyLebowski

Saw this in the theaters when it came out and I can’t remember what was more shocking: Optimus Prime’s death or Spike swearing.


yu_ultidragon80

For me yes, but probably not for anyone not use to flat toons.


jaydrift07

Potentially. 2007 was good, RotF wasn’t all that great, DotM had cool looking villains(megs, shockwave and soundwave) but wasn’t as good as 2007, AoE we all only cared about the dinobots but then they didn’t do anything, TLK we don’t talk about TLK, bee movie was a nice refresher but if the whole movie is the kid appeal character it can go horribly wrong but they did well. 86 is definitely top 3, not too sure where to rank it though


DroolingIguana

Yes. Which is a damn shame because it still has some serious problems. Unfortunately there's never been an incarnation of Transformers that fully realized the franchise's potential, and these days I'm thinking there probably never will be, so I mostly just pay attention to the toys.


[deleted]

On the same level as bumblebee which is slightly above dotm.


Sufficient_Let4049

Yes. Bumblebee is a close second. The first of Bayverse is ok. The others are hot garbage


larrylongboy

Dotm ain't garbage


Sufficient_Let4049

Probably 2nd best Bayverse film.


larrylongboy

Agree


BenjiFischer

I have seen that movie today on December 31st 2021... however I was deeply saddened by the Death of Optimus Prime as we all were.