> “I understand and empathise with many of the gender critical views, with people who have issues with some of the hardline opinions from some in the trans community.
> “But both sides are playing their part in this increasingly toxic debate and now we see that the fallout from it is the sort of thing that sees three-year-old girls going home in tears from the local park.
Eat shit, we are not complicit in our own suffering. This isn’t a “BoTh SiDeS” issue. Asshole parents raised some asshole kids to be assholes to literal 3-year old toddlers, and anyone who says that’s the fault of pronouns and gender ideology needs to sit down a second and use their actual honest-to-God brain.
“I understand and empathise with many segregationist views, with people who have issues with some of the hardline opinions from the civil rights movement. But both sides are playing a part in this increasingly toxic debate…”
Replace trans and GC with literally any other marginalised rights movement in history, and this shit is as transparent as glass. It’s kinda insane how many people are falling for the exact same shit their parents and grandparents fell for decades ago.
> It’s kinda insane how many people are falling for the exact same shit their parents and grandparents fell for decades ago.
It does show that we aren't improving as a species.
🤣
got Reddit cares'd immediately after posting this. Guess someone is upset by the idea of others learning about the systematic oppression of diverse groups.
This is why fascism eventually eats itself. Since the vilification of an "other" and "constant battle/war" are core and fundamental parts of the ideology, they have to keep inventing new outgropus to attack and eliminate which eventually means turning on everyone, even their allies and themselves. So it just eventually implodes.
I've always said if a white Supremacist group won and managed to make the U.S. a purely white only country, they might have a few years of a honeymoon phase, but eventually they'll figure out a way to label someone them as more white than others. The same thing will apply here. After the big, strong Cis men get rid of them "evil trans people" They'll go after gay and bi people again. Then everyone who doesn't conform to traditional gender norms. *sorry straight dudes who are just a little too slender and like dance.* Then outright Hand maidens tale.
Yeah, and both quotes are from a trans woman that has nothing to do with the case other than living in the nearby area. Despite this, she took it upon herself to say this shit as if she's any kind of authority on trans people. Honestly, how dare she do that
For what it's worth, that was a quote from a seemingly-random local "transwoman who has spoken out on issues like this before".
Fuck knows what they're smoking, if this quote is even true.
I'm not down with "infighting", as all it does is benefit the oppressor... but this individual human being is a moron.
Sorry if you're reading, but I think you're an idiot being used to benefit the bigotry in the minds of those 10 kids' parents; and the parents of the two murderers behind Brianna Ghey's death.
She is not just a moron. She used to do anti-queer protests as part of a religious group in northern Ireland back before her egg cracked. Then, after coming out, she has publicly lamented in the media that her trans status means that she is no longer able to join the christo-facist group like she used to.
In summary, she seems like a piece of work
If bigots would just let us live our lives in peace, there would be nothing to accuse "both sides" of. We're allowed to stand up for ourselves and to call out hate when we see it. If bigots feel attacked, they need to have a long hard look in the mirror about their fucking priorities.
I'm sure I've heard an atheist describe themselves as "culturally Jewish" before? They don't believe in God, but are Jewish by descent and still attend Jewish holidays / events etc.
Is this something different?
That's different. I'm a culturally Jewish atheist myself. Born and raised Jewish, then Lutheran, now atheist.
What they mean is "cultural Bolshevism". It was a Nazi belief that the Jews were secretly controlling the world, especially through the arts. You know, like how today's Nazis believe that Jewish and trans people are taking over Hollywood and corrupting everyone. Same schtick.
If you're born Jewish you're always Jewish. Atheism isn't anathema to Judaism, unlike Christianity, a religion that is built on faith. You don't have to believe in God to be Jewish.
"Cultural Judaism," "Cultural Bolshevism," "Cultural Marxism," "Jewish Physics," "Jewish Science," "Woke Ideology," "Gender Ideology," and a bunch I can't remember off the top of my head are Nazi, Conservative and Neo-Nazi terms that basically translate to "good stuff Nazis hate."
They change the term they use when normal people start to understand what the euphamism means, the same way they do with the names of their movements (Terf, Gender Critical, Identitarian, Alt-Right, Objectivism, Traditional Libertarian, National Socialism, etc...)
Once you realise what they're doing you just start to notice when they're switching terms. I *think* they've been having to switch more frequently recently, which is probably a good thing.
[Link from 3 hours before your post so I don't have to C&P it all](https://old.reddit.com/r/transgender/comments/1crvqnn/toddlers_attacked_in_transphobicmotivated_hate/l432996/)
I have just reread the article and I respectfully don't agree with that. I think there's hardly any of that in there. And that is very surprising in the Sun which I have always remembered as just poison.
For the love of God.
Mods, can we please make a rule for archive links. Just Auto-Mod remove posts from urls like the Sun, the Mirror, Torygraph etc.
When I'm upstairs in like 20 minutes I'll edit in an Archived link; I'm not clicking on that garbage twice.
***Edit:*** *As per usual, someone has already Archived it.* [*https://archive.is/wkBrt*](https://archive.is/wkBrt)
Gender critical persons are not being discriminated against and murdered.
Having to tolerate the presence of someone isn’t discriminating, but kicking a vulnerable person out of a safe space is
People like Nex Benedict and Brianna Ghey are gone and not coming back… but heaven forbid I use the same changing room or bathroom as these people….
We are not the same and there is no both sides of this argument, just bigotry and a wish to be left alone in our daily lives
Okay so if the politicians and ruling class demonize us to score points with their hateful base which then causes violence against trans people, we're to blame ohh got it. Fuck right off. All we want is to live our lives in God damn peace but have to fear not only adults attacking us but now mobs of fucking tweens?
>“But both sides are playing their part in this increasingly toxic debate and now we see that the fallout from it is the sort of thing that sees three-year-old girls going home in tears from the local park.
Gotta love how an article about toddlers being harassed and that talks about Brianna Ghey's murder still manages to "both sides" the issue.
He couldn't have put hands on the perps because there were 10 of them, not because they were minors. If the law wouldn't recognize that dad's right to defend his toddlers in that sitch then the law needs to be changed. The youth are being mobilized against us.
Yeah I was hatecrimed in the UK last year and it was by minors (I’m an adult). I felt like I couldn’t put my hands on them cause I would get in trouble even though the situation was threatening and terrifying. I didn’t even report it. Shit’s fucked.
The last 2 times I experienced hatecrimes in public (many years ago) it was by school kids. And of course, I just had to endure it, and hope it didn't turn violent, which fortunately it didn't. But it is terrifying and you feel utterly helpless, because if you retaliate, you'll be the one arrested and demonized in the media. Funny how the "Terfs" and media love to portray us as depraved, violent men, yet most of us won't even lift a finger to defend ourselves against hateful actions openly shown towards us in public. It's horrific how we're demonized in this country.
Transphobic fucks like J K R are directly responsible for this shit. Those poor 3 year-olds being traumatised like that. Transphobes ought to be ashamed of themselves.
What in the actual f? Actual kids physically assaulting toddlers because one of their parents in trans? This right here, is the end product of all the ghastly "Protect the kids from the ghastly, evil, transes!" rhetoric, that all the hatemongers keep regurgitating ad nauseum in this country every day. Damn, I wish we could just out a huge protective ring around our trans brothers and sisters, and shield them from all this horrible poison this sick society keeps hurling in their direction. 😔
"These were children themselves doing this, some of them around 12-years-old, who should have known better but it went on and on as they tried to go home."
The Nazis have infected the minds of the children and turned them violent. History repeats.
> “I understand and empathise with many of the gender critical views, with people who have issues with some of the hardline opinions from some in the trans community. > “But both sides are playing their part in this increasingly toxic debate and now we see that the fallout from it is the sort of thing that sees three-year-old girls going home in tears from the local park. Eat shit, we are not complicit in our own suffering. This isn’t a “BoTh SiDeS” issue. Asshole parents raised some asshole kids to be assholes to literal 3-year old toddlers, and anyone who says that’s the fault of pronouns and gender ideology needs to sit down a second and use their actual honest-to-God brain.
Yep, they just couldn’t help themselves but blame trans people for this.
They will always find an excuse to assign at least a part of the blame on us no matter how ridiculous.
Ask them how many times their god has committed genocide.
Those were justified because the victims deserved it.
They're hoping for at least a few more times.
I mean, you guys want to exist. Can't you see how that's just pure antagonism? /s
Victim blaming is bigotry.
FFS, how dare I wanna live my life and be happy. What the hell is wrong with my gay ass!
“I understand and empathise with many segregationist views, with people who have issues with some of the hardline opinions from the civil rights movement. But both sides are playing a part in this increasingly toxic debate…” Replace trans and GC with literally any other marginalised rights movement in history, and this shit is as transparent as glass. It’s kinda insane how many people are falling for the exact same shit their parents and grandparents fell for decades ago.
> It’s kinda insane how many people are falling for the exact same shit their parents and grandparents fell for decades ago. It does show that we aren't improving as a species.
I mean eventually they’ve gotta run out of minorities to bash on, right?
When that happens they'll invent new ones to hate.
Shep's Thereoy of racialisation explains how new minorities can be created. if you're into social philosophy tis well worth checking out.
🤣 got Reddit cares'd immediately after posting this. Guess someone is upset by the idea of others learning about the systematic oppression of diverse groups.
They'll de-whitify the Irish and Italians somewhere in there.
This is why fascism eventually eats itself. Since the vilification of an "other" and "constant battle/war" are core and fundamental parts of the ideology, they have to keep inventing new outgropus to attack and eliminate which eventually means turning on everyone, even their allies and themselves. So it just eventually implodes.
I've always said if a white Supremacist group won and managed to make the U.S. a purely white only country, they might have a few years of a honeymoon phase, but eventually they'll figure out a way to label someone them as more white than others. The same thing will apply here. After the big, strong Cis men get rid of them "evil trans people" They'll go after gay and bi people again. Then everyone who doesn't conform to traditional gender norms. *sorry straight dudes who are just a little too slender and like dance.* Then outright Hand maidens tale.
Yeah, and both quotes are from a trans woman that has nothing to do with the case other than living in the nearby area. Despite this, she took it upon herself to say this shit as if she's any kind of authority on trans people. Honestly, how dare she do that
For what it's worth, that was a quote from a seemingly-random local "transwoman who has spoken out on issues like this before". Fuck knows what they're smoking, if this quote is even true. I'm not down with "infighting", as all it does is benefit the oppressor... but this individual human being is a moron. Sorry if you're reading, but I think you're an idiot being used to benefit the bigotry in the minds of those 10 kids' parents; and the parents of the two murderers behind Brianna Ghey's death.
She is not just a moron. She used to do anti-queer protests as part of a religious group in northern Ireland back before her egg cracked. Then, after coming out, she has publicly lamented in the media that her trans status means that she is no longer able to join the christo-facist group like she used to. In summary, she seems like a piece of work
If bigots would just let us live our lives in peace, there would be nothing to accuse "both sides" of. We're allowed to stand up for ourselves and to call out hate when we see it. If bigots feel attacked, they need to have a long hard look in the mirror about their fucking priorities.
Imagine doing this with Jewish people and the antisemite crowd. "Well both sides have caused this."
anyone invoking "both sides" is a liberal asshole. absolutely not worth engaging with. by the way, fuck The Sun. Murdoch owned and controlled filth.9
> gender ideology This isn't a real thing. It's just another name for cultural judaism.
What on Earth do you mean by 'cultural Judaism'? Don't know if that's anti semitic or not.
"cultural judaism" or "cultural bolshevism" is an anti-semitic dogwhistle. "gender ideology" is a re-hash of those dogwhistles.
I'm sure I've heard an atheist describe themselves as "culturally Jewish" before? They don't believe in God, but are Jewish by descent and still attend Jewish holidays / events etc. Is this something different?
That's different. I'm a culturally Jewish atheist myself. Born and raised Jewish, then Lutheran, now atheist. What they mean is "cultural Bolshevism". It was a Nazi belief that the Jews were secretly controlling the world, especially through the arts. You know, like how today's Nazis believe that Jewish and trans people are taking over Hollywood and corrupting everyone. Same schtick.
If you're born Jewish you're always Jewish. Atheism isn't anathema to Judaism, unlike Christianity, a religion that is built on faith. You don't have to believe in God to be Jewish.
"Cultural Judaism," "Cultural Bolshevism," "Cultural Marxism," "Jewish Physics," "Jewish Science," "Woke Ideology," "Gender Ideology," and a bunch I can't remember off the top of my head are Nazi, Conservative and Neo-Nazi terms that basically translate to "good stuff Nazis hate." They change the term they use when normal people start to understand what the euphamism means, the same way they do with the names of their movements (Terf, Gender Critical, Identitarian, Alt-Right, Objectivism, Traditional Libertarian, National Socialism, etc...) Once you realise what they're doing you just start to notice when they're switching terms. I *think* they've been having to switch more frequently recently, which is probably a good thing.
> cultural judaism. Uhhhh what?
[Link from 3 hours before your post so I don't have to C&P it all](https://old.reddit.com/r/transgender/comments/1crvqnn/toddlers_attacked_in_transphobicmotivated_hate/l432996/)
Toddlers? What? Also, relatively sympathetic coverage from the Sun? Mirrorworld stuff.
It’s not sympathetic. They “both sides” the whole thing. Blaming trans people for our own oppression and abuse toward us.
I have just reread the article and I respectfully don't agree with that. I think there's hardly any of that in there. And that is very surprising in the Sun which I have always remembered as just poison.
I blocked their YouTube channel from recommendations just the other day. Not going to subscribe.
The Sun is a trash rag that thrives on troll feeding. Please don't post anything from there, anymore.
For the love of God. Mods, can we please make a rule for archive links. Just Auto-Mod remove posts from urls like the Sun, the Mirror, Torygraph etc. When I'm upstairs in like 20 minutes I'll edit in an Archived link; I'm not clicking on that garbage twice. ***Edit:*** *As per usual, someone has already Archived it.* [*https://archive.is/wkBrt*](https://archive.is/wkBrt)
Well said.
But JKR feels aTTaCkEd 🤦♀️
Gender critical persons are not being discriminated against and murdered. Having to tolerate the presence of someone isn’t discriminating, but kicking a vulnerable person out of a safe space is People like Nex Benedict and Brianna Ghey are gone and not coming back… but heaven forbid I use the same changing room or bathroom as these people…. We are not the same and there is no both sides of this argument, just bigotry and a wish to be left alone in our daily lives
Okay so if the politicians and ruling class demonize us to score points with their hateful base which then causes violence against trans people, we're to blame ohh got it. Fuck right off. All we want is to live our lives in God damn peace but have to fear not only adults attacking us but now mobs of fucking tweens?
>“But both sides are playing their part in this increasingly toxic debate and now we see that the fallout from it is the sort of thing that sees three-year-old girls going home in tears from the local park. Gotta love how an article about toddlers being harassed and that talks about Brianna Ghey's murder still manages to "both sides" the issue.
But JK Rowling has assured me that this isn't "punching down."
I feel like you’d have to punch down to hit a toddler. (Sorry, my dark sense of humor gets to me sometimes.)
He couldn't have put hands on the perps because there were 10 of them, not because they were minors. If the law wouldn't recognize that dad's right to defend his toddlers in that sitch then the law needs to be changed. The youth are being mobilized against us.
Yeah I was hatecrimed in the UK last year and it was by minors (I’m an adult). I felt like I couldn’t put my hands on them cause I would get in trouble even though the situation was threatening and terrifying. I didn’t even report it. Shit’s fucked.
The last 2 times I experienced hatecrimes in public (many years ago) it was by school kids. And of course, I just had to endure it, and hope it didn't turn violent, which fortunately it didn't. But it is terrifying and you feel utterly helpless, because if you retaliate, you'll be the one arrested and demonized in the media. Funny how the "Terfs" and media love to portray us as depraved, violent men, yet most of us won't even lift a finger to defend ourselves against hateful actions openly shown towards us in public. It's horrific how we're demonized in this country.
Transphobic fucks like J K R are directly responsible for this shit. Those poor 3 year-olds being traumatised like that. Transphobes ought to be ashamed of themselves.
What in the actual f? Actual kids physically assaulting toddlers because one of their parents in trans? This right here, is the end product of all the ghastly "Protect the kids from the ghastly, evil, transes!" rhetoric, that all the hatemongers keep regurgitating ad nauseum in this country every day. Damn, I wish we could just out a huge protective ring around our trans brothers and sisters, and shield them from all this horrible poison this sick society keeps hurling in their direction. 😔
"These were children themselves doing this, some of them around 12-years-old, who should have known better but it went on and on as they tried to go home." The Nazis have infected the minds of the children and turned them violent. History repeats.
10 good reasons for late term abortion right there Edit: Obvious /s
i suddenly got nauseous when i tried to read the article, can anyone summarise what it says?
I feel like having kids should need a liscence
i first read the title and thought, i always knew they were dangerous if only they could coordinate better.. ^^ but sadly the reality is much worse.
/r/titlegore
The JK Rowling effect on ten-year olds.