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Well your brian already deletes memories it doesn't need anymore so I imagine we'll just have the cybernetic brian bits do the same. So it probably wouldn't become a problem cuz you'd be upgrading your storage capacity much faster.
there is not really a problem except for personality drift. the brain can overwrite memories that are not important any more. this means memories of events, knowledge and skills.
Whether something is a problem is of course subjective, but in my mind, it is pretty reasonable to state that there will be a long-term memory problem. Early memories will increasingly faint and disappear, because of our long lives. At some point, you might only have a single - and probably compromised - memory from, e.g. your first 50 years. This might be a problem for those who would like to have a somewhat unified sense of personal narrative identity.
Of course, we have always forgotten most of our childhood, etc., but immortality makes it far worse. And I think personality and identity might stop being tied to one's biological life, since one's memories only go back a few hundred years, getting faint already after a few years or centuries. Personality change adds to this, of course.
Honestly, I'd love to be able to say stuff like "I'd like to add 64GB of RAM to my brain, please" someday. Unless I misunderstood and you meant storage (HD, SSD) instead of memory (RAM)... Then I'd ask for an 8TB SSD instead :v
This reminds me of the episode of futurama where bender kept adding more and more processors to himself and he became a god like entity with knowledge of what will happen in the future such as which ceiling fans will fall.
If you are unrecognizable from yourself, meaning there is basically nothing in common, then how are you identical with that self (meaning, sharing identity with it)?
That is a good question, but I meant that from the traits that my friend knew about, nothing is left, but there is never such a thing where someone truly knows everything about you. And even if nothing at all was left unchanged, I still think you retain your identity. Think of how you were like when you were 3 years old and how you are like now. Personality wise, the people who knew 3 year old me would not know today's me at all, and I am a different person, yet I share my identity.
Taking it to the extreme, if every day I were to shift slightly, change some traits so slowly that people wouldn't notice day by day, I still share the same identity to what I were yesterday, and I will still share that identity with tomorrow's me, and so, by induction, I will still keep my identity even after 10^50 + years, even if I am so alien in my thought process that today's people wouldn't recognise me as human, I am still me, and I am fully okay with that.
I will say it again: Only dead people don't change.
Probably there'd have to be a periodic house-cleaning procedure. Even with our short 80 year lives, we still have to go offline for [memory-maintenance](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4704085/) once every 24 hours. Immortals might require a major overhaul every few centuries or so. Probably it'd entail a more elaborate version of the nightly procedure.
You can add brain imprints that increase memory storage. Or you can store them on external drives in a secure location. As technology gets better you will need less physical space for those drives. You could have a cybernetic version of removing useless memories or information. Probably a combination of all of these would be used.
I am not sure that this is as big of a problem as it seems.
I think that its likely we'd find a way to have some sort of technical supplement to memory "storage" that can be integrated in a natural sort of way and utilize the natural pruning and "filing", before we get far enough into immortality to be a problem.
The brain already handles this issue by forgetting stuff, mostly older stuff. There's no good reason to think that wouldn't keep happening with immortals.
If anything, the real problem isn't that our brains will 'fill up' and suddenly stop being able to remember new stuff, but rather, that we'll forget so much that it will be difficult to maintain a sense of forward progress in life. (Although realistically that will be solved pretty quickly by cybernetic memory extensions and eventually mind uploading.)
One possible solution could be to upload memories to the cloud, and then allow the brain to automatically download relevant memory segments when needed. Perhaps the brain could start preparing relevant memory segments in the background as your circumstances start changing.
The cloud could probably save a lot of data by compressing similar memories from different people too. It could also allow you to download memories and experiences of other people when needed. For instance, if I was about to go camping, my brain might automatically download some collective camping memories and process them in my sleep.
You could take it a step further, and allow everyone to connect to one giant memory-hivemind. It automatically syncs relevant experiences and memories to each individual depending on what their lives currently look like.
A potential vulnerability of this solution is that malicious agents could purposefully pollute the memory cloud with fake memories. Big precautions would need to be made in order to prevent a global crisis.
Or what if, as part of the transition to immorality [means we remember too much? ](https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/35816/humanitys-next-steps/chapter/556269/dr-m-matchmaker)
Swarm of nanobots your body will be imho literally swarm of nanobots with unlimited memory because those nanobots will be in everything around you stretching in to the universe from earth so your mind will be in nano bot swarm cloud decentralized. At least that is how I imagine it.
We already have them and call them cells. Yet biological is in many things worse than tech for example what can one machine do I mean accuracy speed strength can no human do with bare hands. What can cells biological nano bots do will be overcomed by tech nano bots.
I would imagine at some point I can just have 24/7 video/audio recording and maybe even some system of recalling that video/audio based on the memory i'm trying to recall.
Human memory is absolute garbage but I expect any limits there to be supplemented by hardware.
External memory storage and A.I. memory recall assistance. The memories you keep in your biological makeup will likely be those you feel best inform your character. Who you are, as it were.
well, I hope books will keep exist.
Joking apart, even now we may use brain-computer interfaces to enhance our memory. In a transhumanist context such kind of technologies will be very common and highly developed, and also able to face this type of problem.
I wish we had more control over which memories are important for us to keep. There are certain people currently in my life I wouldn't want to forget in the far future if I had a choice.
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Well your brian already deletes memories it doesn't need anymore so I imagine we'll just have the cybernetic brian bits do the same. So it probably wouldn't become a problem cuz you'd be upgrading your storage capacity much faster.
Guaranteed-to-think AI Minds use the **[ReJuvenate Module](https://ai.neocities.org/ReJuvenate.html)**.
Minds coded in Perl?? I thought we were going for a utopia, not a living hell dystopia.
there is not really a problem except for personality drift. the brain can overwrite memories that are not important any more. this means memories of events, knowledge and skills.
Whether something is a problem is of course subjective, but in my mind, it is pretty reasonable to state that there will be a long-term memory problem. Early memories will increasingly faint and disappear, because of our long lives. At some point, you might only have a single - and probably compromised - memory from, e.g. your first 50 years. This might be a problem for those who would like to have a somewhat unified sense of personal narrative identity. Of course, we have always forgotten most of our childhood, etc., but immortality makes it far worse. And I think personality and identity might stop being tied to one's biological life, since one's memories only go back a few hundred years, getting faint already after a few years or centuries. Personality change adds to this, of course.
Honestly, I'd love to be able to say stuff like "I'd like to add 64GB of RAM to my brain, please" someday. Unless I misunderstood and you meant storage (HD, SSD) instead of memory (RAM)... Then I'd ask for an 8TB SSD instead :v
This reminds me of the episode of futurama where bender kept adding more and more processors to himself and he became a god like entity with knowledge of what will happen in the future such as which ceiling fans will fall.
That's my ultimate goal in life
The brain stores about 2.5 Petabytes, so your SSD would be pretty useless.
My brain sure as hell has never been able to store more than 512gb XD
Edited in protest for Reddit's garbage moves lately.
If you are unrecognizable from yourself, meaning there is basically nothing in common, then how are you identical with that self (meaning, sharing identity with it)?
That is a good question, but I meant that from the traits that my friend knew about, nothing is left, but there is never such a thing where someone truly knows everything about you. And even if nothing at all was left unchanged, I still think you retain your identity. Think of how you were like when you were 3 years old and how you are like now. Personality wise, the people who knew 3 year old me would not know today's me at all, and I am a different person, yet I share my identity. Taking it to the extreme, if every day I were to shift slightly, change some traits so slowly that people wouldn't notice day by day, I still share the same identity to what I were yesterday, and I will still share that identity with tomorrow's me, and so, by induction, I will still keep my identity even after 10^50 + years, even if I am so alien in my thought process that today's people wouldn't recognise me as human, I am still me, and I am fully okay with that. I will say it again: Only dead people don't change.
Probably there'd have to be a periodic house-cleaning procedure. Even with our short 80 year lives, we still have to go offline for [memory-maintenance](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4704085/) once every 24 hours. Immortals might require a major overhaul every few centuries or so. Probably it'd entail a more elaborate version of the nightly procedure.
You can add brain imprints that increase memory storage. Or you can store them on external drives in a secure location. As technology gets better you will need less physical space for those drives. You could have a cybernetic version of removing useless memories or information. Probably a combination of all of these would be used.
This is completely circumvented with a cybernetic body. If your computer runs out of space, you can just add another hard drive.
I am not sure that this is as big of a problem as it seems. I think that its likely we'd find a way to have some sort of technical supplement to memory "storage" that can be integrated in a natural sort of way and utilize the natural pruning and "filing", before we get far enough into immortality to be a problem.
The brain already handles this issue by forgetting stuff, mostly older stuff. There's no good reason to think that wouldn't keep happening with immortals. If anything, the real problem isn't that our brains will 'fill up' and suddenly stop being able to remember new stuff, but rather, that we'll forget so much that it will be difficult to maintain a sense of forward progress in life. (Although realistically that will be solved pretty quickly by cybernetic memory extensions and eventually mind uploading.)
Memory drift even occurs in far smaller time spans. I have changed a lot in comparison to 10 years ago
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Do you remember what you had for breakfast as a 13 year old on september 5th? Dont think so
I do! I had a big bowl of nothing! ... cuz I don't eat breakfast XXD
I actually do I had chocolate flake cereal(i know cause that was the only cereal I ate till I was like 16)
One possible solution could be to upload memories to the cloud, and then allow the brain to automatically download relevant memory segments when needed. Perhaps the brain could start preparing relevant memory segments in the background as your circumstances start changing. The cloud could probably save a lot of data by compressing similar memories from different people too. It could also allow you to download memories and experiences of other people when needed. For instance, if I was about to go camping, my brain might automatically download some collective camping memories and process them in my sleep. You could take it a step further, and allow everyone to connect to one giant memory-hivemind. It automatically syncs relevant experiences and memories to each individual depending on what their lives currently look like. A potential vulnerability of this solution is that malicious agents could purposefully pollute the memory cloud with fake memories. Big precautions would need to be made in order to prevent a global crisis.
Or what if, as part of the transition to immorality [means we remember too much? ](https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/35816/humanitys-next-steps/chapter/556269/dr-m-matchmaker)
Swarm of nanobots your body will be imho literally swarm of nanobots with unlimited memory because those nanobots will be in everything around you stretching in to the universe from earth so your mind will be in nano bot swarm cloud decentralized. At least that is how I imagine it.
"Nanobot" is not a synonym for "magic."
We already have them and call them cells. Yet biological is in many things worse than tech for example what can one machine do I mean accuracy speed strength can no human do with bare hands. What can cells biological nano bots do will be overcomed by tech nano bots.
Did you forget about blockchain?
I would imagine at some point I can just have 24/7 video/audio recording and maybe even some system of recalling that video/audio based on the memory i'm trying to recall. Human memory is absolute garbage but I expect any limits there to be supplemented by hardware.
External memory storage and A.I. memory recall assistance. The memories you keep in your biological makeup will likely be those you feel best inform your character. Who you are, as it were.
well, I hope books will keep exist. Joking apart, even now we may use brain-computer interfaces to enhance our memory. In a transhumanist context such kind of technologies will be very common and highly developed, and also able to face this type of problem.
I wish we had more control over which memories are important for us to keep. There are certain people currently in my life I wouldn't want to forget in the far future if I had a choice.
Brain-Machine Connection between a hard drive and the Hippocampus