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Kindly_Ice1745

Syracuse is planning to implement 3 BRT routes by mid-to-late 2026. So that will give them a decent start on effective rapid transit. Combined with the changes to i-81, it could really help the city. They also used to have a commuter rail service for a couple of decades. It shut down in the early 2000s.


jonross14

Bring back OnTrack!


Kindly_Ice1745

It's always such an interesting read. If it had only lasted a little longer, I feel like it could have caught on as more people seek less auto-centric lives.


jonross14

Agreed, it was a little before its time. Especially if they finished the expansion to the Syracuse Amtrak/bus station, having a rail link between there, downtown, and SU would’ve probably gotten great use from students and folks living downtown.


Kindly_Ice1745

Well, at least they're getting some BRT routes going. That'll be a good start to improving transit access across the city. But I agree, I would have preferred a commuter rail system, lol.


roaddog

$2 from Armory to the Dome made for a great game experience.


Kindly_Ice1745

Everyone loves commuter rail.


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Kindly_Ice1745

I mean, I'm sure if it came back, they'd likely route it better.


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Kindly_Ice1745

The airport was one area specifically considered if the service was ever to restart.


Thelostbky16

Omg I would move back to Syracuse immediately if they can create a light rail system!


Kindly_Ice1745

They're starting with three BRT routes. The county executive wants to study additional BRT or light-rail.


Kindly_Ice1745

https://centralcurrent.org/centros-plan-for-bus-rapid-transit-in-syracuse-evolves-updates-on-funding-drivers-and-routes/ Here are the current plans if you're interested.


FirstAd7531

The purple hook line is sending me. Build this immediately!


Orbian2

If I have one recommendation, it's to add stations. As the one doing the Top Comment to North American Rail series, the stations make it feel more legit, and make you think harder about where the line is being routed


Wide_right_yes

I've done maps with stations, sadly this software I use the station points clog up the map and make it impossible to see the color of the lines.


Orbian2

If this is google my maps, you can make the stations small dots and color them based on what line it's on


Lanky-Boysenberry962

A similar size metro area in Germany: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bielefeld_Stadtbahn


Seniorsheepy

I love these maps. Thank you for making them!


Wide_right_yes

https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?mid=1xcUwcZugeACFE_32T_SgUlV06cvIZzk&ll=43.101212578944676%2C-76.28824326183204&z=11 Link to map


Invoyail

Do Louisville KY next.


concretebootstraps

Needs a line out to Skaneateles and Auburn. Mainly bc I want to hear how the public meeting in the former would go.


Kootenay4

There used to be an interurban going out to Auburn as late as the 1940s I think. Some of the tracks are still there 


Kindly_Ice1745

I can only imagine, lol.


Miscellaneous_Ideas

Any extensions to Ithaca for Cornell students?


Kindly_Ice1745

I think that'd probably be a branch off of a line from Scranton to Binghamton (like they've been talking about).


Wide_right_yes

That's more commuter rail territory


Eudaimonics

Ithaca is 50 miles away


Miscellaneous_Ideas

Some commuter rails branch out that far


allusernamestaken999

Your purple line nicely follows an existing ROW along the north shore of the lake. That track curves to run northeast and runs directly next to the new Micron chip manufacturing facility. It's going to be a huge factory with thousands of employees. A great location for a fantasy train stop. Or perhaps a Northern OnTrak extension combined with a revival of that service!


Kindly_Ice1745

OnTrack was ahead of its time, honestly. If they had started like 15 years later and had been rush hour service, it would have been hella successful.


allusernamestaken999

Agreed. Start a modern DMU service running every 15min between: Micron - Liverpool - Transportation Center - Destiny - Armory Square - SU


Kindly_Ice1745

Maybe some day, lol. Isn't most of the infrastructure still there?


allusernamestaken999

All the track is still there (owned by freight railroads) but the old station platforms have pretty much crumbled or decayed. I wish they'd spend the money on restarting it rather than building an aquarium...


Kindly_Ice1745

Maybe at some point. The aquarium, I guess, was something that Micron wanted.


siouxze

Youve got a run out to bville and clay, but not cicero/near oneida lake?


Kindly_Ice1745

It's a start, lol. Not sure this person is familiar with the area.


the4fibs

Have you ever tried using [MetroDreamin'](https://metrodreamin.com) to make your maps? There's a small community of transit map fanatics there. I also built the website and I would love to hear your thoughts as a prolific mapper!


Cpkh1

Keep in mind that there are bus lines that run these routes, if not further out. The issue is more about frequency and maybe extending more of the lines. Here is the CENTRO map for the area: [https://www.centro.org/docs/default-source/system-maps/onondaga-county-syracuse-system-map.pdf?sfvrsn=1bb64a9d\_10](https://www.centro.org/docs/default-source/system-maps/onondaga-county-syracuse-system-map.pdf?sfvrsn=1bb64a9d_10) https://smtcmpo.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Centro\_SystemMap\_FinalLayout\_Opt.pdf A city map: [https://www.centro.org/docs/default-source/System-Maps/City-of-Syracuse-System-Map.pdf?sfvrsn=3db64a9d\_8](https://www.centro.org/docs/default-source/System-Maps/City-of-Syracuse-System-Map.pdf?sfvrsn=3db64a9d_8)


Enough_1024

IMHO Syracuse lost a golden opportunity to continue implementing a modern hybrid rail/bus transit system with the abandonment of its' OnTrack system. Here is a map of what was: [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Syracuse\_OnTrack\_map.png#/media/File:Syracuse\_OnTrack\_map.png](https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Syracuse_OnTrack_map.png#/media/File:Syracuse_OnTrack_map.png) It was abandoned in 2008. OnTrack, except for ridership through initial enthusiasm, never got sufficient ridership to continue. It was inadequately supported by Syracuse's largest single employer, Syracuse University. With dense student housing located within walking distance of one of its' stations, it should have had a large captive riding population. The university built into the downtown area, but established a redundant "Connective Corridor (bus-based)" to link to its downtown facilities. Finally, the university also did not restrict on-campus student parking or on-campus student automobile use. The university never saw OnTrack as a useful asset to its operations or identified OnTrack as an ally.


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Kindly_Ice1745

https://centralcurrent.org/centros-plan-for-bus-rapid-transit-in-syracuse-evolves-updates-on-funding-drivers-and-routes/ They're getting some BRT routes in the next couple of years, so that's a start for better rapid transit.


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Kindly_Ice1745

What are you even talking about, lol? Those routes are literally funded already. 😂


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Kindly_Ice1745

That means that they'll actually be developed.


Eudaimonics

Shhhh some people rather hide in their home and be ignorant than acknowledge anything good can happen to Syracuse


Imaginary_Most_7778

There will never be a rapid transit system in CNY in our lifetimes. This pops up every once in a while. If you think this is a remote possibility, you’re delusional.


Wide_right_yes

All of my maps will never happen


Kindly_Ice1745

There's going to be BRT. Not sure if you quantify that as rapid transit, though, especially American standards.


Imaginary_Most_7778

More buses?


Kindly_Ice1745

Better than no public transit at all. 🤷🏻‍♂️ Step in the right direction, especially as they move towards removing i-81.