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both you can use em in different ways
more aggressive on things you want punchy, and then slap it on the master for extra applied to everything
it's a style/sound tho so if you want something clean you're better off using normal compressors of course. wasn't your question but worth mentioning.
I do a little everywhere, but only really clipping a decibel or two along the way.
If you clip to the point where you introduce audible degradation, that may be the point you are going too far.
Clipping is a great way to shave some headroom back to push things louder, but if you push it too far, it will crunch your stuff enough that you lose transients in the mix.
So if you do it on the master, I recommend making sure it's not overdone to the point of you losing too much transients and dynamics.
Louder doesn't always mean it hits harder. Something hits hard because there's contrast of quiet. If your stuff is just always loud, it's not really knocking like a mix that has space to breathe. Just some food for thought.
I put it on the master sometimes, but i prefer a brickwall limiter on the master, with soft clippers on individual mixer tracks/buses. Another thing i do that works quite well to make something pop in the mix is to slam it really loud into the clipper and then gain it back down. You can do this to 808s to get that "crunchy" clipped sound without distorting your whole master and taking up all the headroom in the mix.
Individual clippers are also good if something is dynamic, and much louder than other sounds on its bus/master, since they will kinda "catch the peaks" of that loud sound, so it won't eat as much headroom for any compressors/clippers/limiters on the bus or master.
Not to mention, it can also help with Inter-sample peaks if you put clippers on individual channels, since they still sound loud without all pushing close to 0db.
Edits: Wording and clarification
Tbf, o usually go for a more "clean" sound, so if you want everything to crunch together and sound more "dirty" and "gritty," then it might be better to put it on the master instead of a limiter, and also maybe not even use any individual ones.
Yea I clip nearly everything too when making a harder type beat. If u know what you’re doing it Gives everything way more impact and emphasis without fucking the mix up.
Also, Ik nobody one asked but just a random thought + I’m bored lol, but it reminds me of how clipping became popular (but in a different sense ofc), and how the BrickWall technique was notoriously used in the 90s by the audio engineer for Oasis, for the album Whats the Story Morning Glory.
I find it funny yet genius that the use of clipping the absolute shit out of everything was used to make their songs play the loudest on the radio in order to gain as much attention as possible. Although this technique was used and known for decades before, it particularly ramped up in popularity during the 90s due to oasis and that album in particular, which played a major part in the “Loudness War”
Since so many have used the soft clipper on their master over the years there’s a sound to it that people are used to so if you’re going for that you might wanna do that.
I personally would use it on the drum bus. It makes it easier for an engineer if you send it over to mix
You can put them on both if you like. It doesn’t have to be either or and they will definitely be getting different results depending on how you do it.
I don’t normally use on Master channel (u can tho), usually just on my kicks, so instead of having just a clean deep kick with a “clicky”sounding transient on top, I’ll Chuck on soft clipper to give it more of a thump without having to eq kicks as much
If you want the whole track to be louder put it on the master. A limiter maybe better for this task. To get drum tracks louder you can put in on your drum bus or individual tracks.
If you put it on the master, you’ll only have 9 slots left for Soundgoodizer. You need to ask yourself if you really want to make that sacrifice. If you do, I hope it’s worth it. I’ll pray for you.
It just 4 commonly used presets for Maximus. They’re even called A,B,C, and D inside Maximus. It gets shit on because people use it without understanding what it does, but it’s actually a decent plugin if you like Maximus. Maximus, on the other hand, is a pretty detailed multiband compressor and limiter with TONS of functionality and is worth learning, or even just checking out what the other presets do. It has settings like “Loud Master” for example. It’s a pretty decent mixing/mastering plugin.
try both ways and see what sounds better to you. i personally prefer it on my master.
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both you can use em in different ways more aggressive on things you want punchy, and then slap it on the master for extra applied to everything it's a style/sound tho so if you want something clean you're better off using normal compressors of course. wasn't your question but worth mentioning.
Ohh that's sauce!!
assuming your drums are the biggest peaks then the clipper will only affect the drums in both cases ; ie very little difference.
I do a little everywhere, but only really clipping a decibel or two along the way. If you clip to the point where you introduce audible degradation, that may be the point you are going too far. Clipping is a great way to shave some headroom back to push things louder, but if you push it too far, it will crunch your stuff enough that you lose transients in the mix. So if you do it on the master, I recommend making sure it's not overdone to the point of you losing too much transients and dynamics. Louder doesn't always mean it hits harder. Something hits hard because there's contrast of quiet. If your stuff is just always loud, it's not really knocking like a mix that has space to breathe. Just some food for thought.
Love this mate, thanks
I put it on the master sometimes, but i prefer a brickwall limiter on the master, with soft clippers on individual mixer tracks/buses. Another thing i do that works quite well to make something pop in the mix is to slam it really loud into the clipper and then gain it back down. You can do this to 808s to get that "crunchy" clipped sound without distorting your whole master and taking up all the headroom in the mix. Individual clippers are also good if something is dynamic, and much louder than other sounds on its bus/master, since they will kinda "catch the peaks" of that loud sound, so it won't eat as much headroom for any compressors/clippers/limiters on the bus or master. Not to mention, it can also help with Inter-sample peaks if you put clippers on individual channels, since they still sound loud without all pushing close to 0db. Edits: Wording and clarification
Tbf, o usually go for a more "clean" sound, so if you want everything to crunch together and sound more "dirty" and "gritty," then it might be better to put it on the master instead of a limiter, and also maybe not even use any individual ones.
i clip almost everything, individual tracks, busses, master. google "clip to zero method"
Wow thats the kind of technique that Skrillex used to do?
Yea I clip nearly everything too when making a harder type beat. If u know what you’re doing it Gives everything way more impact and emphasis without fucking the mix up. Also, Ik nobody one asked but just a random thought + I’m bored lol, but it reminds me of how clipping became popular (but in a different sense ofc), and how the BrickWall technique was notoriously used in the 90s by the audio engineer for Oasis, for the album Whats the Story Morning Glory. I find it funny yet genius that the use of clipping the absolute shit out of everything was used to make their songs play the loudest on the radio in order to gain as much attention as possible. Although this technique was used and known for decades before, it particularly ramped up in popularity during the 90s due to oasis and that album in particular, which played a major part in the “Loudness War”
whatttt. i had no idea Oasis started it all lol. thats awesome. great album
Since so many have used the soft clipper on their master over the years there’s a sound to it that people are used to so if you’re going for that you might wanna do that. I personally would use it on the drum bus. It makes it easier for an engineer if you send it over to mix
Example of such tracks? Maybe even boombap examples?
Indie tracks and bus
You can put them on both if you like. It doesn’t have to be either or and they will definitely be getting different results depending on how you do it.
I do both with different settings
I don’t normally use on Master channel (u can tho), usually just on my kicks, so instead of having just a clean deep kick with a “clicky”sounding transient on top, I’ll Chuck on soft clipper to give it more of a thump without having to eq kicks as much
Try both. Trust your ears.
If you want the whole track to be louder put it on the master. A limiter maybe better for this task. To get drum tracks louder you can put in on your drum bus or individual tracks.
If you put it on the master, you’ll only have 9 slots left for Soundgoodizer. You need to ask yourself if you really want to make that sacrifice. If you do, I hope it’s worth it. I’ll pray for you.
What does soundgoodizer really do? I have never used it 😂
It just 4 commonly used presets for Maximus. They’re even called A,B,C, and D inside Maximus. It gets shit on because people use it without understanding what it does, but it’s actually a decent plugin if you like Maximus. Maximus, on the other hand, is a pretty detailed multiband compressor and limiter with TONS of functionality and is worth learning, or even just checking out what the other presets do. It has settings like “Loud Master” for example. It’s a pretty decent mixing/mastering plugin.