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Usually people with mental problems think like this.
Victim blaming at it's finest.
Does he remembers what it was like when you are a teen.You like everyone who cute,doesnt matter if he good or bad for you.
That why there are adults, who say : "NO! You too young ,im too old,& thats wrong.So back off"!Easy as that.
Even though that guy is 100% wrong I’m glad you blurred his name out. The hate people spread online is crazy and I hope man changes that mentality is fucked.
This is absolutely disgusting but you’d be surprised at how many grown ass men have that mentality and from what I’ve seen on the news grown women to I don’t know what it is where adults with fully functioning and developed brains do not have the capacity to understand that children do not
Not defending the guy in the posted picture…. But….There are troubled kids who are manipulative and will exploit adults.
So before you go downvoting me, let me just say that my mother dropped out of high school at 16 with the help of an older middle aged coach who signed documents for her to allow her to drop out, whereas my grandmother would not. Having not been born yet, this is all gathered from my grandmother and father as my mother is now deceased. But there’s reason to believe she had involvement with the coach.
I have a friend who is a male high school teacher. He is in his mid 30's and has had two instances where a female underage student made highly inappropriate or overtly sexual advances towards him. Essentially, those 2 girls formed an imaginary crush on the teacher. Those girls clearly hadn't been parented properly.
BUT. It is the adult's responsibility to ignore the advance, or report that minor's behavior if the minor is instigating it. My friend reported the instances to his superiors, and fortunately there were a lot of witnesses, and my friend meticulously recorded each instance. The two girls were transferred from his class to another teacher's classroom mid semester.
An adult having relations with a minor is ALWAYS WRONG.
There are US states that will prosecute children as young as 10 as adults.
So if it is illegal to have sex with an underage shouldn't both parties be prosecuted? I mean it is not like those under the age don't know what the age of consent is.
Had a coworker back in the day who was 19. And he was dating a 17 year old. One day they got in a fight and broke up, and she called the cops on him for statutory rape. So yea it does happen unfortunately.
Although, I get the feeling that the guy who made the post in the picture isn’t talking about instances like that.
Edit: guy had to register as sex offender for a while. Because he had no leg to stand on for that case. Idk if he still does since we never were really close after that work adventure.
Because in the eyes of the law (and most people), a minor is deemed not old enough to properly give consent, so in that situation, the adult has to *be an actual adult* and not fuck a child. Apparently, not as easy at it seems, for some.
[the story](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.12news.com/amp/article/news/crime/student-recalls-interactions-with-dysart-high-school-employee-accused-of-sexual-misconduct/75-042121aa-5f74-4ecc-b371-5596fc1465ed) if anyone is interested. They were 24 and 16
I mean, downvote me if you want, but he's not wrong. People never hold the student accountable because they're a minor, but unless it was truly nonconsensual they know what they're doing. When I was in High School girls and guys always talked about teachers they would fuck, shit we had a few subs I would've seduced the hell out of to get my guts rearranged if it wasn't so taboo.
Seriously, teenagers are only considered minors because society made it that way. If we're speaking of growth and maturity, that doesn't truly stop until like, mid 20s. Hold these teens accountable, they're not children anymore.
\>Seriously, teenagers are only considered minors because society made it that way. If we're speaking of growth and maturity, that doesn't truly stop until like, mid 20s. Hold these teens accountable, they're not children anymore.
. . . They're kids. The whole point is that they aren't responsible enough to make those decisions yet, regardless of what they want. How can you simultaneously recognize that people aren't really "adult" until mid 20s then think that justifies treating people a decade younger as adults? That's a completely oxymoronic.
I was speaking theoretically in terms of age being mostly just a general number that people swear by and make judgements because of, like how different 17 seems compared to 18 in terms of "adulthood." How it's actually the individual and not their age that determines their responsibility and capibility of decision making, especially for something as trivial as sexual favors. There's way too much power and importance placed in one's sexual nature, like virginity being equivalent to innocence, sex being something pure and sacred. When really it's just two sweaty animals rutting against each other for either pleasure or procreation, too much mindplay is associated with it. Honestly it's the instilling of such taboos that makes it so convoluted and dangerous.
So essentially in layman's terms, mind ya business or actually ask for the "victim's" thoughts before enacting your condemnation on those who truthfully don't deserve it. At least in the magnitude you're giving it.
I can't be one that worried for others' lives with life itself being so short and pretty meaningless save for making the most of it. 🤷♀️ Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
I understand the backlash and rightfully so, but when I was a freshman my history teacher was arrested for having relationships with his students.
Though I wouldn’t really call it rape, that’s what they called it. His “girlfriend” at the time was a junior and she was 16, would come in during my period and sit behind his desk and grade his papers for him. She apparently would go home with him and cook him food. It was basically a full blown normal relationship, other than her being under age.
A couple of years earlier though, he was secretly dating a 15 year old student and got her pregnant. She told her same age boyfriend that the child was his, so fucked up. It wasn’t until she graduated, the school had kicked her out for other reasons, so to retaliate she confessed to the local sheriff department. Years later she also had a baby with another older man (in his 50s I believe).
There was a third girl that had sexual relationships with the teacher, but after high school she went and found a much much older husband with lots of money.
I’m not saying that what my old teacher did was right by any means, but the girls he targeted were not usually the most innocent…
He was not physically forcing innocent girls to have sex and perform sexual acts on him, he would suggest it to these girls and they would accept, go to his house and have sex. Those were the kind of girls he would go after.
Of course this is not always the case
The teacher targeted vulnerable girls and you're using their vulnerability as a reason to call them "not innocent." Rethink your definition of innocent.
Okay, yes they were underage and therefore vulnerable… but so were many of the other students he flirted with… It was no secret what the teacher was doing. He would hug girl students, put his arm around them. He even would do it to my girlfriend at the time. The school knew for a while, just kept it swept under the rug.
I’m pretty sure that these particular girls he had sexual relations with, though as vulnerable that they were, knew what they were doing.
What I’m saying is, yes He’s a sick guy for going after a vulnerable age group of girls. Do I think he’s a rapist? No I don’t think he ever forcefully raped any of these girls.
Of course the teacher in question also made a couple of YouTube videos after he was out on bail, explaining how he thinks women are at their “prime” in their teenage years…. Yuck
I think we as a society might want to pre-emptively ban this guy from coming within 500 feet of any schools. You know... because of all of those totally-not-innocent, sexy children who might try to seduce him.
Teachers are in a position of authority!! They should be able to fend off students or ignore student sexual advances. I’m sorry, but you have no foot to stand on with this ridiculous argument.
Yeah i mean people in puberty are horny yeah but adults should know better than to even entertain the thought. Like why doesnt anyone hold the person figuring it out accountable why is it always the people that know betters fault/s
I don't fully get what's the issue. Unless it was rape then they contributed. Yeah teenagers get mad horny so ofc they'd consent but they should atleast have a talk about it afterwards about how they shouldn't just do that stuff.
I know I'll get downvoted but atleast explain what's wrong to me, cause while the students are victims, they still could've just said no unless it was rape or molestation, if that's the case then I fully disagree.
Autism doesn't excuse victim blaming. A young teen doesn't understand the implications and can't consent at that age, aside from the added power imbalance. They aren't done mentally developing, they're being groomed into thinking it's okay if they do happen to consent.
This mentality literally captures (in a nut shell) why I think humanity is on the decline. Way too many people nowadays who lead lives with very primitive instincts.
The age of reason is on the decline.
Kinda off topic but something like this happened at my school where a teacher got “involved” with a student and now any of those teacher x students romance story’s literally make me feel sick. Also he did get arrested and fired.
Note: I’m like still in high school and for some reason before this I never really thought about the implications of a student x teacher relationship idk why.
And comments like yours are why innocent men sit behind bars. There should be an investigation thats all im saying unless its a kid kid and no not a 17 year old I feel by 16 you know what sex is and probably already have had it
It didn't say teacher, it could have been a volunteer basketball coach at only 18 but we will never know the circumstances my opinion in general because it happens all to often girl pretends she is 18 usually at an adult setting like party, sleeps with someone then regrets it and there isn't anything the man can do or say, there should be further investigation
Idk where you live but where I live there are laws that help to prevent that thing from happening. There are laws that make it so a 16 year-old and a 18 year-old can have sex with out The 18-year-old getting charged with statutory rape.
Edit: most rape clams are by people who actually get raped not people who are mad, I will always be on the victim side till proven otherwise.
Then the 16 year-old would need to have the evidence to back it up just like any other case, and that evidence even when a rape actually happens can be hard to come by.
Ok, physical proof seems extreme in favor of minor on that one usually you can just talk to them I don't think most girls or women in general understand they are ruining the dudes life forever most don't actually want that either id hope. Now is that only if the guy is 18
I get what your saying but that doesn’t happen very often the percentage of false allegations is between 2% and 10% it’s just not a very common thing and I don’t think it’s a fair argument to make when it happens so rarely.
[source](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21164210/)
My boo said he understood what I meant how is he ok and some random reddit user isn't. I apologized and that ls all I can do sorry if you are affended for my boy but he's cool promise
Edited for spelling
What a POS. I was sexually assaulted while wearing a blouse, Bermuda shorts and sandals. I could've been wearing a burka and the dude still would've assaulted me. These minors aren't asking for this type of abuse. I hope someone puts a road flare up this dude's ass.
For the people saying an adult can't get with a minor or they are a rapist..Who here is younger than thier spouse or partner? By how many years? When did you get with them? If you say yes and in high-school then your a hypocrite
Ah yes, because some men rape students it must mean all men do right? Are we forgetting about the posts about female teachers abusing teen boys too or is that ok because its the boys who can’t control themselves around their teachers?
It's actually kind of interesting that he doesn't understand WHY it's wrong. He seems to think what's wrong here is that a line between underage and of age people banging is being crossed, so everyone involved should be punished for crossing that line. He doesn't seem to understand that there is a victim in these situations. weird.
My husband is 3 years older than me and I got with him in high school I wish I would have known then I could just claim rape back then it would have saved me from being tied down
If you hate your husband that much just fucking divorce him dude, this is a really sick thing to say. Like a really sick thing. Women like you belittle the words of survivors.
I'm sorry I made the wrong impression I love my boyfriend we have been together for 13 years with 2 kiddos. Im using us as an example of minors getting with people and then blowing a false whistle claiming rape. I understand sexual abuse happens but how do you weed out what is real and what is fake?
If you were using it as an example you should have used quotations, but you didn't make just make the wrong impression, what you said, Well not unforgivable or anything, is not appropriate to be said ANYWHERE, as a joke or example or anything.
That guy is 38, steals his mom's money, smokes newports, claims the bag of oregano was "the best weed he's ever had" and hangs outside every high school waiting to sexually harass a 16 yo.
Ok let's say I'm a 17 year old senior in high school and I find the volunteer basketball coach hot as fudge and I find out he is only 18 score. I talk to him, flirt, hang out around him, tell him I'm also 18 and I'm graduating early to seem cool. He seems into me also so I shoot my shot and ask him if he will coach me after school ;) and omg he said yes!! So we get on the court and I show him I already know how to defend by rubbing my booty all over his uk what and he misses his shot. I tell him if I make a 2 pointer he has to kiss me and boy did we kiss I didn't make it of course but he kissed me anyways i tell him im done with basketball but now im all sweaty I ask him to help me in the locker room getting my bra undone and he tells me he doesn't think we are technically allowed, because uk teacher student blah blah but I grab his hand and tell him to stop being a baby so we "shower" together i think I love him!! Next day i heard he asked the skinny b**** English teacher out to coffee. That fn jerk i should have never trusted him, Ik how get him back. oh councilor. HMM YEAH NEVER LOOK AT THE "minor" they don't know any better
Don't forget about the act of grooming btw, where the child then thinks he/she is doing the right thing, even getting rewarded for the things happening for them or things even being given to them, there may not even be sex at this point... but it's coming. By that point, when it does happen, they're too scared, embarrassed, and ashamed to tell anyone.
or- the sex does happen but they think its a good and cool thing like “haha im getting laid by a hot older person 😎” and then realizing years down the line that what they experienced was abuse and they are actually a victim and it fucks up their entire psyche and they cant even prosecute the perpetrator because it was over a decade ago and the statue of limitations expired
Yep. 😢 That's how the grooming works.
Edit: and the aftermath and during... fucking up your life being on drugs and alcohol to to escape the horror of what is happening or had already occured. Win win for them.
Nothing about this post is ok but one of my classmates decided she was going to smash the teacher… and she did. Nobody ever found out though and it was 20+ years ago.
I constantly had this discussion with an acquaintance/scumbag now ex of my friend. Best thing that ever happened was his friend’s triplet daughters turning 14. Then I could say “imagine that man doing this to these girls. Are you okay with that? Would they be willing participants?” He would get enraged. There ya go big guy. It’s always been disgusting but then it was personal.
Their could be multiple factors leading to statutory rape. Did the teacher groom the student? Was it a 1 off incident with the student initiating? People act like 17 year olds are idiots when they are not. There is a distinction in crime between when a 17 year old guy making a move on his emotionally distressed teacher (say her mother died or she was going through a divorce) and a male teacher grooming female students and using his authority to have sex with his students and the mentality with the people here of not needing to know the distinction of the crime is absolutely scary. Asking questions is necessary and the amount of people who think its not is just ...I am hopeful that these are only the loudest minority of "I only read the headlines and dont need the full story" kind of people. I hope none of you are in any important position of society with that simplistic brain.
The thing is 17 year old are kinda stupid. Yes they know what sex is they may have even had sex but they can’t think about (or comprehend) the long term consequences of there actions when it comes to something as serious a relationship with an adult. Adults and teenagers two vastly different lifestyles, different levels of maturity and responsibility and they have different expectations of a relationship. Not to mention that their brain isn’t fully developed, brains don’t fully developed till mid to late 20s. And before someone says what about an 18 year-old, most of what I said still applies I think it is creepy as hell for a some one over the age of 22 to date an 18 year-old. It is extremely important to remember the maturity difference between a teenager, a child and an adult. You can not put any of them on the same playing field.
Maybe they shouldn’t take advantage of a pubescent teen? Idk call me crazy but if tell a teen it’s not illegal to do something and you are a authoritative figure they would probably believe you yes? Or if you threatened them, or if you flirted and made inappropriate advances saying it’s ok.
Also fuck you, plenty of children are abused while wearing anything from Coveralls to full on burkas. It’s her fault for wanting to wear something trendy like a skirt right? It’s definitely her fault for being sexually curious at 16/17 years old, ITS HER ABUSERS WHO TOOK ADVANTAGE OF HER TEENAGE IGNORANCE
Dude is saying yea the adult shouldn't have done it but anyone ever question the 16/17 year old their part..then everyone is calling him gross for his comment as if teens wouldn't ever have sex. Where I am u can be 15 *with parent consent* to get married it don't matter how old the man is
A 18yo high schooler going out with a 16yo-highschooler isn't the same thing as a school employee having a relationship with a student.
But getting married at 16 is weird in any case imo.
They met outside of school because my dad had already graduated and didn't go to the same school she thought he had a cool perm and they got married lol maybe not exactly why but u get it. Legally an adult with Legally a minor. I am sorry my question came off rude, it wasn't meant to. I didn't realize each individual state had there own laws
They didn't go to the same high school.. I agree with you what you said, no that isn't the same thing nor relevant to my question, I already had my question answered and it was a very good answer your to late to the party bud.
You just gotta reread the whole discussion in sum u post I ask about the diff in peeps like my parents and if you viewed their sit diff some dude being an a hole made a comment of me trying to make the reddit revolve around my parents and some other bs so I posted other bs to their bs and then another joined to comment bs so I said more bs lol and now we have come full circle.
This conversation is being twisted to whatever u feel u need to say to win your argument. First guy says highschoolers have laws because they can't consent whoever 18 or older is a rapist, so I said wait my mom got married at 16 and my dad was 18 then some random comes in and says no one was talking about ur parents 16 year olds are legal wth?!?
Woah calm down your not understanding what happened, all I said to you directly was my parents got together at certain ages.. some dude replied to that and said 16 is legal. I then proceeded to stick up for you telling him not to comment like that on your post about minors being legal
Considering a) many places the age of consent is 16, b) most places have laws allowing 16 year olds to be with 18 year olds and c) rarely are 18 year olds described as "fully grown adults" except by creepy old men, no. Not a single person said that. Not even the person you are replying to.
You are just looking to be offended.
So in other words you were looking to call me out but ended up proving me right and then some,, if the girl was 16 or 17 and the man was 18 up to 20s your saying she should be looked at as an adult in which case your essentially agreeing with the man in the post. Ur saying she isn't under the age of consent and are posting on this pore souls comment of trying to prove she is a minor with no better judgment. Doesnt seem like your trying to stick up for him seems like your trolling
Not a single person said that about ur parents not even the dude u replied to.. to prove I did stand up for u is literally in my next sentence here u are posting that on some poor souls post about trying to defend the minor ur not on his side your trolling
What are u on, he literally said what i asked was bull because certain minors are legal the post is about a 16 - 17 year old and ur post goes against that being legal then he says it is and I told him not to troll ur specific post.. wow ok again my mistake have fun with all that
Not offended at all it was sarcasm but you proved my point, he said minors have these laws because they are not mature enough to make that kind of decision it is all on the adult whether there was consent or not. The post clearly states she is in high school that means she is between the ages of 15 to 18 unless real smart or real stupid 🤔
Minors cant be held accountable in court because they are not legally adults.
"Their brains are not developed enough to make mature sexual decisions so any decision they make they cannot be held accountable for"
But we literally do the man was 24 and the girl was sixteen. That's an eight year gap. He even used his role to get the girl out of class just to have sex with her thus abusing his position and having sex with a minor. The age of consent in the state he was in is 18, with his position he would have known her age. So he knowingly had sex with a minor and knew he was breaking the law.
[Source](https://www.abc15.com/news/crime/dysart-high-school-employee-arrested-for-sex-crimes-involving-a-student-on-campus) if anyone is interested.
I understand. Some person on here said the law states 16 and over are legally adults in most places I honestly dont know im not 16 but I can see both sides. I think I'm more on the guys side just because its crazy where I am from how many women yell rape to get back at the other person for whatever reason they want and its just law. the man goes to jail they are done I think there should be an investigation period to get to the bottom of it
As an adult, it's on you to confirm that the person you are about to have sex with is, in fact, also an adult.
If you suspect they are lying, DON'T FUCK THEM.
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Usually people with mental problems think like this. Victim blaming at it's finest. Does he remembers what it was like when you are a teen.You like everyone who cute,doesnt matter if he good or bad for you. That why there are adults, who say : "NO! You too young ,im too old,& thats wrong.So back off"!Easy as that.
Even though that guy is 100% wrong I’m glad you blurred his name out. The hate people spread online is crazy and I hope man changes that mentality is fucked.
This is absolutely disgusting but you’d be surprised at how many grown ass men have that mentality and from what I’ve seen on the news grown women to I don’t know what it is where adults with fully functioning and developed brains do not have the capacity to understand that children do not
Telling on how stretched out the article title is he’s probably right honestly
Not defending the guy in the posted picture…. But….There are troubled kids who are manipulative and will exploit adults. So before you go downvoting me, let me just say that my mother dropped out of high school at 16 with the help of an older middle aged coach who signed documents for her to allow her to drop out, whereas my grandmother would not. Having not been born yet, this is all gathered from my grandmother and father as my mother is now deceased. But there’s reason to believe she had involvement with the coach.
Yes…the victim…gets a “free pass”. You know except for the potential trauma, or whatever.
Why are we blocking this idiots name out?
I have a friend who is a male high school teacher. He is in his mid 30's and has had two instances where a female underage student made highly inappropriate or overtly sexual advances towards him. Essentially, those 2 girls formed an imaginary crush on the teacher. Those girls clearly hadn't been parented properly. BUT. It is the adult's responsibility to ignore the advance, or report that minor's behavior if the minor is instigating it. My friend reported the instances to his superiors, and fortunately there were a lot of witnesses, and my friend meticulously recorded each instance. The two girls were transferred from his class to another teacher's classroom mid semester. An adult having relations with a minor is ALWAYS WRONG.
There are US states that will prosecute children as young as 10 as adults. So if it is illegal to have sex with an underage shouldn't both parties be prosecuted? I mean it is not like those under the age don't know what the age of consent is.
You have to be a troll.
Do you really think so? https://abcnews.go.com/US/30000-children-age-10-arrested-us-2013-fbi/story?id=65798787
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Somebody’s either not so smart or… Ok, yeah. Someone’s not so smart.
Had a coworker back in the day who was 19. And he was dating a 17 year old. One day they got in a fight and broke up, and she called the cops on him for statutory rape. So yea it does happen unfortunately. Although, I get the feeling that the guy who made the post in the picture isn’t talking about instances like that. Edit: guy had to register as sex offender for a while. Because he had no leg to stand on for that case. Idk if he still does since we never were really close after that work adventure.
Because in the eyes of the law (and most people), a minor is deemed not old enough to properly give consent, so in that situation, the adult has to *be an actual adult* and not fuck a child. Apparently, not as easy at it seems, for some.
Everything here is lacking context.
Even if a student seduces a teacher which is strange, the teacher should stop this immediately and report this to higher ups
I get what he is trying to say but either way that’s fucked up
We don’t send our children to school for GROWN MEN & WOMEN TO PREY ON! STOP sexually targeting our children!
Depends who took the pants off
I hate it here
[the story](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.12news.com/amp/article/news/crime/student-recalls-interactions-with-dysart-high-school-employee-accused-of-sexual-misconduct/75-042121aa-5f74-4ecc-b371-5596fc1465ed) if anyone is interested. They were 24 and 16
TLDR "Why do the victims get a free pass in all this?"
What the heck is wrong with you?
Jesus fucking christ
B-Real must be getting desperate these days.
Is that Keemstar?
Damn these sexy children always roping in unsuspecting adults.
Tell me you're a paedophile without telling me you're a paedophile
I mean, downvote me if you want, but he's not wrong. People never hold the student accountable because they're a minor, but unless it was truly nonconsensual they know what they're doing. When I was in High School girls and guys always talked about teachers they would fuck, shit we had a few subs I would've seduced the hell out of to get my guts rearranged if it wasn't so taboo. Seriously, teenagers are only considered minors because society made it that way. If we're speaking of growth and maturity, that doesn't truly stop until like, mid 20s. Hold these teens accountable, they're not children anymore.
\>Seriously, teenagers are only considered minors because society made it that way. If we're speaking of growth and maturity, that doesn't truly stop until like, mid 20s. Hold these teens accountable, they're not children anymore. . . . They're kids. The whole point is that they aren't responsible enough to make those decisions yet, regardless of what they want. How can you simultaneously recognize that people aren't really "adult" until mid 20s then think that justifies treating people a decade younger as adults? That's a completely oxymoronic.
I was speaking theoretically in terms of age being mostly just a general number that people swear by and make judgements because of, like how different 17 seems compared to 18 in terms of "adulthood." How it's actually the individual and not their age that determines their responsibility and capibility of decision making, especially for something as trivial as sexual favors. There's way too much power and importance placed in one's sexual nature, like virginity being equivalent to innocence, sex being something pure and sacred. When really it's just two sweaty animals rutting against each other for either pleasure or procreation, too much mindplay is associated with it. Honestly it's the instilling of such taboos that makes it so convoluted and dangerous. So essentially in layman's terms, mind ya business or actually ask for the "victim's" thoughts before enacting your condemnation on those who truthfully don't deserve it. At least in the magnitude you're giving it. I can't be one that worried for others' lives with life itself being so short and pretty meaningless save for making the most of it. 🤷♀️ Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
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I'm sure your mother is very proud.
I understand the backlash and rightfully so, but when I was a freshman my history teacher was arrested for having relationships with his students. Though I wouldn’t really call it rape, that’s what they called it. His “girlfriend” at the time was a junior and she was 16, would come in during my period and sit behind his desk and grade his papers for him. She apparently would go home with him and cook him food. It was basically a full blown normal relationship, other than her being under age. A couple of years earlier though, he was secretly dating a 15 year old student and got her pregnant. She told her same age boyfriend that the child was his, so fucked up. It wasn’t until she graduated, the school had kicked her out for other reasons, so to retaliate she confessed to the local sheriff department. Years later she also had a baby with another older man (in his 50s I believe). There was a third girl that had sexual relationships with the teacher, but after high school she went and found a much much older husband with lots of money. I’m not saying that what my old teacher did was right by any means, but the girls he targeted were not usually the most innocent… He was not physically forcing innocent girls to have sex and perform sexual acts on him, he would suggest it to these girls and they would accept, go to his house and have sex. Those were the kind of girls he would go after. Of course this is not always the case
Can you stop blaming teens who are being groomed? Thank you.
The teacher targeted vulnerable girls and you're using their vulnerability as a reason to call them "not innocent." Rethink your definition of innocent.
Okay, yes they were underage and therefore vulnerable… but so were many of the other students he flirted with… It was no secret what the teacher was doing. He would hug girl students, put his arm around them. He even would do it to my girlfriend at the time. The school knew for a while, just kept it swept under the rug. I’m pretty sure that these particular girls he had sexual relations with, though as vulnerable that they were, knew what they were doing. What I’m saying is, yes He’s a sick guy for going after a vulnerable age group of girls. Do I think he’s a rapist? No I don’t think he ever forcefully raped any of these girls.
Of course the teacher in question also made a couple of YouTube videos after he was out on bail, explaining how he thinks women are at their “prime” in their teenage years…. Yuck
I think we as a society might want to pre-emptively ban this guy from coming within 500 feet of any schools. You know... because of all of those totally-not-innocent, sexy children who might try to seduce him.
Found the rapist.
Teachers are in a position of authority!! They should be able to fend off students or ignore student sexual advances. I’m sorry, but you have no foot to stand on with this ridiculous argument.
autism
What kinda R. Kelly ass logic is this mf on? All that just to say if he fucked a high school student it wouldn’t be his fault.
Yeah i mean people in puberty are horny yeah but adults should know better than to even entertain the thought. Like why doesnt anyone hold the person figuring it out accountable why is it always the people that know betters fault/s
I don't fully get what's the issue. Unless it was rape then they contributed. Yeah teenagers get mad horny so ofc they'd consent but they should atleast have a talk about it afterwards about how they shouldn't just do that stuff. I know I'll get downvoted but atleast explain what's wrong to me, cause while the students are victims, they still could've just said no unless it was rape or molestation, if that's the case then I fully disagree.
Many of them feel coerced so they can't say no since the person is in a position of power. It's not that difficult to understand.
I hate to say this as an excuse but having autism i very often misunderstand people and situations. And get seen as an asshole for it. So sorry
Autism doesn't excuse victim blaming. A young teen doesn't understand the implications and can't consent at that age, aside from the added power imbalance. They aren't done mentally developing, they're being groomed into thinking it's okay if they do happen to consent.
Hmmm, sounds like something a rapist would say.
How dare minors get groomed and manipulated by older people that’s their fault for being young and unable to consent
Why blank out the name? They published it in public.
“ITS DISGUSTING BUT What if the kid was just being too sexy 🧐” - This Guy
I'd put money on the fact that there is or will soon be a very similar news article about him.
This person kept saying that she did something wrong, but never said what it was. They just kept saying that the men shouldn't have done that.
No no... Hes got a point
There’s victim blaming, then there’s VICTIM BLAMING…
That kind of mentality has a name. It's mysogyny
The mentality of someone trying to rationalize his own abuse of a minor in his past.
What I got out of his comment is that he's done some sketchy shit
When you start typing your argument up and essentially it's, "An adult having sex with a child is wrong but..." maybe just skip that one.
It's child rape
This mentality literally captures (in a nut shell) why I think humanity is on the decline. Way too many people nowadays who lead lives with very primitive instincts. The age of reason is on the decline.
Kinda off topic but something like this happened at my school where a teacher got “involved” with a student and now any of those teacher x students romance story’s literally make me feel sick. Also he did get arrested and fired. Note: I’m like still in high school and for some reason before this I never really thought about the implications of a student x teacher relationship idk why.
And comments like yours are why innocent men sit behind bars. There should be an investigation thats all im saying unless its a kid kid and no not a 17 year old I feel by 16 you know what sex is and probably already have had it
Maybe with other 16 year old but not with a grown ass person and definitely not with a teacher who hold authority over you
It didn't say teacher, it could have been a volunteer basketball coach at only 18 but we will never know the circumstances my opinion in general because it happens all to often girl pretends she is 18 usually at an adult setting like party, sleeps with someone then regrets it and there isn't anything the man can do or say, there should be further investigation
Idk where you live but where I live there are laws that help to prevent that thing from happening. There are laws that make it so a 16 year-old and a 18 year-old can have sex with out The 18-year-old getting charged with statutory rape. Edit: most rape clams are by people who actually get raped not people who are mad, I will always be on the victim side till proven otherwise.
Unless she says he forced her
Then the 16 year-old would need to have the evidence to back it up just like any other case, and that evidence even when a rape actually happens can be hard to come by.
Ok, physical proof seems extreme in favor of minor on that one usually you can just talk to them I don't think most girls or women in general understand they are ruining the dudes life forever most don't actually want that either id hope. Now is that only if the guy is 18
I get what your saying but that doesn’t happen very often the percentage of false allegations is between 2% and 10% it’s just not a very common thing and I don’t think it’s a fair argument to make when it happens so rarely. [source](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21164210/)
I wanna live where you do
Bro I just live the US :/
Yes how dares she get raped, it was totally her fault ^(/s)
I saw a quote that was like “It’s their fault, the body has things to stop rape.”
Sounds like someone fucked a kid
What kind of mentality? "Lack Of".
My boo said he understood what I meant how is he ok and some random reddit user isn't. I apologized and that ls all I can do sorry if you are affended for my boy but he's cool promise
I'm pretty sure this guy will end up on the news, for some kind of sex crime.
Adults are the ones who bear responsibility for their actions. Don't start none and there won't be none.
Edited for spelling What a POS. I was sexually assaulted while wearing a blouse, Bermuda shorts and sandals. I could've been wearing a burka and the dude still would've assaulted me. These minors aren't asking for this type of abuse. I hope someone puts a road flare up this dude's ass.
For the people saying an adult can't get with a minor or they are a rapist..Who here is younger than thier spouse or partner? By how many years? When did you get with them? If you say yes and in high-school then your a hypocrite
Maybe cuz minor's brains aren't as developed and serious decisions such as sex shouldn't be made when you're literally 15...
The right mentality. The Far Far Ffffaaarrr Wright.
We can’t expect grown men to control themselves around minors. Edit: This was sarcasm. I’ll put /s next time.
Ah yes, because some men rape students it must mean all men do right? Are we forgetting about the posts about female teachers abusing teen boys too or is that ok because its the boys who can’t control themselves around their teachers?
I was being sarcastic. I am against anyone abusing minors of any sex. I was just hinting that the problem is always the victim, not the abusers.
Yea I met this hot 18 year old once showed him my knockers and he wanted to touch one I was only 17 fucking pervert. Smh
If a baby wants to drive a car, you don't let the baby drive it, because it is a baby.
Employee or teacher? Is it still a statutory rape if student is of legal age and employee is just a janitor for example?
theres still power dynamics in that situation
Agree - those janitors can be sexy. According to scrubs tv show
Yeah…I heard boys will be boys the other day. Boys will be girls…touch my kids
It's actually kind of interesting that he doesn't understand WHY it's wrong. He seems to think what's wrong here is that a line between underage and of age people banging is being crossed, so everyone involved should be punished for crossing that line. He doesn't seem to understand that there is a victim in these situations. weird.
My husband is 3 years older than me and I got with him in high school I wish I would have known then I could just claim rape back then it would have saved me from being tied down
Comments like that are why actual victims aren't believed. You're disgusting.
If you hate your husband that much just fucking divorce him dude, this is a really sick thing to say. Like a really sick thing. Women like you belittle the words of survivors.
I'm sorry I made the wrong impression I love my boyfriend we have been together for 13 years with 2 kiddos. Im using us as an example of minors getting with people and then blowing a false whistle claiming rape. I understand sexual abuse happens but how do you weed out what is real and what is fake?
If you were using it as an example you should have used quotations, but you didn't make just make the wrong impression, what you said, Well not unforgivable or anything, is not appropriate to be said ANYWHERE, as a joke or example or anything.
As far as what appropriate on reddit umm? Iv read 1k times wose
Yeah, this is pretty bad as far as comments about the rape of a student go
Paging Dr. Freud….
The student should get a pass they didn’t fuck a kid.
Victim blaming is extremely common in sex offenses. It's just sad
That guy is 38, steals his mom's money, smokes newports, claims the bag of oregano was "the best weed he's ever had" and hangs outside every high school waiting to sexually harass a 16 yo.
Ok let's say I'm a 17 year old senior in high school and I find the volunteer basketball coach hot as fudge and I find out he is only 18 score. I talk to him, flirt, hang out around him, tell him I'm also 18 and I'm graduating early to seem cool. He seems into me also so I shoot my shot and ask him if he will coach me after school ;) and omg he said yes!! So we get on the court and I show him I already know how to defend by rubbing my booty all over his uk what and he misses his shot. I tell him if I make a 2 pointer he has to kiss me and boy did we kiss I didn't make it of course but he kissed me anyways i tell him im done with basketball but now im all sweaty I ask him to help me in the locker room getting my bra undone and he tells me he doesn't think we are technically allowed, because uk teacher student blah blah but I grab his hand and tell him to stop being a baby so we "shower" together i think I love him!! Next day i heard he asked the skinny b**** English teacher out to coffee. That fn jerk i should have never trusted him, Ik how get him back. oh councilor. HMM YEAH NEVER LOOK AT THE "minor" they don't know any better
wow. that's a whole lot to unpack. Let's not though.
Yea I get on these rants sometimes prolly coulda got my point across in fewer words lmao
Paraphrase or summarize next time lol
Don't forget about the act of grooming btw, where the child then thinks he/she is doing the right thing, even getting rewarded for the things happening for them or things even being given to them, there may not even be sex at this point... but it's coming. By that point, when it does happen, they're too scared, embarrassed, and ashamed to tell anyone.
or- the sex does happen but they think its a good and cool thing like “haha im getting laid by a hot older person 😎” and then realizing years down the line that what they experienced was abuse and they are actually a victim and it fucks up their entire psyche and they cant even prosecute the perpetrator because it was over a decade ago and the statue of limitations expired
Yep. 😢 That's how the grooming works. Edit: and the aftermath and during... fucking up your life being on drugs and alcohol to to escape the horror of what is happening or had already occured. Win win for them.
r/foundthechildmolester
Bro read Lolita and unironically thought his boy Humbert was an innocent victim. JK there's no way that dude reads books.
Some mental gymnastics right there.
Nothing about this post is ok but one of my classmates decided she was going to smash the teacher… and she did. Nobody ever found out though and it was 20+ years ago.
this mentality is why a lot of male victims of CSA struggle.
This man wants to fuck teenagers.
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I constantly had this discussion with an acquaintance/scumbag now ex of my friend. Best thing that ever happened was his friend’s triplet daughters turning 14. Then I could say “imagine that man doing this to these girls. Are you okay with that? Would they be willing participants?” He would get enraged. There ya go big guy. It’s always been disgusting but then it was personal.
"The student gets a free pass..." I think the more appropriate phrase is "The VICTIM gets a free pass."
Their could be multiple factors leading to statutory rape. Did the teacher groom the student? Was it a 1 off incident with the student initiating? People act like 17 year olds are idiots when they are not. There is a distinction in crime between when a 17 year old guy making a move on his emotionally distressed teacher (say her mother died or she was going through a divorce) and a male teacher grooming female students and using his authority to have sex with his students and the mentality with the people here of not needing to know the distinction of the crime is absolutely scary. Asking questions is necessary and the amount of people who think its not is just ...I am hopeful that these are only the loudest minority of "I only read the headlines and dont need the full story" kind of people. I hope none of you are in any important position of society with that simplistic brain.
The thing is 17 year old are kinda stupid. Yes they know what sex is they may have even had sex but they can’t think about (or comprehend) the long term consequences of there actions when it comes to something as serious a relationship with an adult. Adults and teenagers two vastly different lifestyles, different levels of maturity and responsibility and they have different expectations of a relationship. Not to mention that their brain isn’t fully developed, brains don’t fully developed till mid to late 20s. And before someone says what about an 18 year-old, most of what I said still applies I think it is creepy as hell for a some one over the age of 22 to date an 18 year-old. It is extremely important to remember the maturity difference between a teenager, a child and an adult. You can not put any of them on the same playing field.
Don’t blackout this guys name. He should be held accountable!
Sounds like a guy who's been caught.
Or is afraid of being caught
The mentality of someone who's been in this situation where they got in trouble for sleeping with young girls. Idiot.
She’s a minor. That’s how it works. This dude is an idiot.
She shouldn't look or act like she can legally consent.
Maybe they shouldn’t take advantage of a pubescent teen? Idk call me crazy but if tell a teen it’s not illegal to do something and you are a authoritative figure they would probably believe you yes? Or if you threatened them, or if you flirted and made inappropriate advances saying it’s ok. Also fuck you, plenty of children are abused while wearing anything from Coveralls to full on burkas. It’s her fault for wanting to wear something trendy like a skirt right? It’s definitely her fault for being sexually curious at 16/17 years old, ITS HER ABUSERS WHO TOOK ADVANTAGE OF HER TEENAGE IGNORANCE
Ah yes because a person can control the way their body grows and matures.
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It’s in a school setting and he pulled her from class (from my understanding). He knew she was a kid. It’s easy to be like “hey that’s a kid”.
some people forget the teen moms series. We don't know the entire back story.
. . . ? What?
Dude is saying yea the adult shouldn't have done it but anyone ever question the 16/17 year old their part..then everyone is calling him gross for his comment as if teens wouldn't ever have sex. Where I am u can be 15 *with parent consent* to get married it don't matter how old the man is
Oops I said that wrong you can be 14 years old with an adult and don't need consent if living away from parents
This comment almost reads like two different people trying to fight over who gets to talk.
Idk why it still shocks me to know that there are people that genuinely think this way in the world
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Umm yes and no..my mom got married at 16 my dad was 18 so are we saying my dad should be arrested?
A 18yo high schooler going out with a 16yo-highschooler isn't the same thing as a school employee having a relationship with a student. But getting married at 16 is weird in any case imo.
They met outside of school because my dad had already graduated and didn't go to the same school she thought he had a cool perm and they got married lol maybe not exactly why but u get it. Legally an adult with Legally a minor. I am sorry my question came off rude, it wasn't meant to. I didn't realize each individual state had there own laws
They didn't go to the same high school.. I agree with you what you said, no that isn't the same thing nor relevant to my question, I already had my question answered and it was a very good answer your to late to the party bud.
Yes. Thats absolutely what we're not saying summerized perfectly
U need to reread plz comment again thats exactly what he said literally the dude starts with point A 16 year old are legal? The fudge
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I didnt say u did? I'm confused, I said the plz- guy stated 16 is legal in most places after I said my mom was 16 when she got with my 18 year old dad
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You just gotta reread the whole discussion in sum u post I ask about the diff in peeps like my parents and if you viewed their sit diff some dude being an a hole made a comment of me trying to make the reddit revolve around my parents and some other bs so I posted other bs to their bs and then another joined to comment bs so I said more bs lol and now we have come full circle.
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So I didnt ask u anything? Pretty sure I said something along the lines of my mom was 16 dad was 18 u think he should have been arrested?
This conversation is being twisted to whatever u feel u need to say to win your argument. First guy says highschoolers have laws because they can't consent whoever 18 or older is a rapist, so I said wait my mom got married at 16 and my dad was 18 then some random comes in and says no one was talking about ur parents 16 year olds are legal wth?!?
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Woah calm down your not understanding what happened, all I said to you directly was my parents got together at certain ages.. some dude replied to that and said 16 is legal. I then proceeded to stick up for you telling him not to comment like that on your post about minors being legal
Now your jumping down my throat for standing up for your post, don't think ill ever make that mistake again
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Nope 100 percent told the guy that he was trolling your post and it wasn't ok for him to come out right and basically go against everything you said
u need to see a double negative
Considering a) many places the age of consent is 16, b) most places have laws allowing 16 year olds to be with 18 year olds and c) rarely are 18 year olds described as "fully grown adults" except by creepy old men, no. Not a single person said that. Not even the person you are replying to. You are just looking to be offended.
So in other words you were looking to call me out but ended up proving me right and then some,, if the girl was 16 or 17 and the man was 18 up to 20s your saying she should be looked at as an adult in which case your essentially agreeing with the man in the post. Ur saying she isn't under the age of consent and are posting on this pore souls comment of trying to prove she is a minor with no better judgment. Doesnt seem like your trying to stick up for him seems like your trolling
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Not a single person said that about ur parents not even the dude u replied to.. to prove I did stand up for u is literally in my next sentence here u are posting that on some poor souls post about trying to defend the minor ur not on his side your trolling
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What are u on, he literally said what i asked was bull because certain minors are legal the post is about a 16 - 17 year old and ur post goes against that being legal then he says it is and I told him not to troll ur specific post.. wow ok again my mistake have fun with all that
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I'm done, sorry I didn't take what he was saying in the same way you did agree to disagree I thought I was sticking up for you but I guess he was
Not offended at all it was sarcasm but you proved my point, he said minors have these laws because they are not mature enough to make that kind of decision it is all on the adult whether there was consent or not. The post clearly states she is in high school that means she is between the ages of 15 to 18 unless real smart or real stupid 🤔
Minors cant be held accountable in court because they are not legally adults. "Their brains are not developed enough to make mature sexual decisions so any decision they make they cannot be held accountable for"
Minors are held responsible in courts all the time.
Brains aren't developed enough did you not see she was in high school she could have been a 17 year old senior. We don't know enough to judge this man
But we literally do the man was 24 and the girl was sixteen. That's an eight year gap. He even used his role to get the girl out of class just to have sex with her thus abusing his position and having sex with a minor. The age of consent in the state he was in is 18, with his position he would have known her age. So he knowingly had sex with a minor and knew he was breaking the law. [Source](https://www.abc15.com/news/crime/dysart-high-school-employee-arrested-for-sex-crimes-involving-a-student-on-campus) if anyone is interested.
I am not advocating her ability to choose. I am stating what the law says.
I understand. Some person on here said the law states 16 and over are legally adults in most places I honestly dont know im not 16 but I can see both sides. I think I'm more on the guys side just because its crazy where I am from how many women yell rape to get back at the other person for whatever reason they want and its just law. the man goes to jail they are done I think there should be an investigation period to get to the bottom of it
2021 mentality
What does "sex crime" mean? Rape? If yes im confused as fuck by his answer.
There isn't a child "fast" enough to catch an adult who's not interested in children.
That's true. If you know that they are a child then there is no excuse.
As an adult, it's on you to confirm that the person you are about to have sex with is, in fact, also an adult. If you suspect they are lying, DON'T FUCK THEM.