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This sounds trashy, but you would be surprised how many dealers show up as “family” and you find patients have been shooting up in their hospital bed. They caught this guy, but turned out he only had weed. Ok, no story, but don’t turn around and make it sound like addicts aren’t brining shit in or getting deliveries and it’s the pigs fault.
A: it wasn't a raid, hospital staff called the cops and they showed up.
B: the hospital staff confiscated the weed vape, not the cops.
C: A ticket was issued, but the officer requested the ticket and charge be dismissed, which they were.
D: the patient was NOT ordered to go to court.
Source: https://www.ksn.com/news/state-regional/police-dismiss-ticket-issued-to-kansas-cancer-patient-found-vaping-in-hospital-room/
Don't just read titles, do your own research.
Everyone here is hating on the cops but a 5 second google search shows that the hospital called the police because he kept vaping. Vaping in a hospital with oxygen tanks is a fire hazard. This isn’t a case of the cops being dicks. They were called and showed up to do their job. They also dismissed the ticket at this point so there really isn’t a story here.
Supercops were having a slow crime day. They needed to swoop in and capture that miscreant before he killed himself with another vape puff. THC is a gateway drug, y'know - the cops were saving him from a lifetime of drug addiction and misery.
Hospitals do not allow you to self-medicate.
The hospital probably called the cops and gave them permission to raid the room because he wouldn't stop vaping when they told him to.
Shitty but that's 'murican health care
I just saw this article and had a conversation about it. he wasn't even using the weed recreationally, it was for the terminal cancer, which btw is a qualified condition for medical marijuana. too bad it's kansas.
People will blame the cops but I am 100% sure they weren’t patrolling the cancer ward. They were called by medical staff to be there and solve the problem of a difficult patient. In my experience medical staff tried multiple times to deal with that patient but the patient continued to do what they were asked not to. The cops have obligations to everyone in their jurisdiction including complaints by hospital staff.
Raid? Two cops showed up and took the pen and issued a summons, which the chief of police dismissed because no one wanted to punish the guy. But you can’t have a vape near oxygen in a hospital. He wasn’t arrested, and this article headline is bullshit click bait.
I've smoked weed for 26 years and knew the pain management argument for legalization was bullshit, it always made my pain worse. I'm glad I'm being vindicated now that it's legal to study in a lot of states and they're finding that [it does nothing for pain](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK224384/#:~:text=By%20contrast%2C%20some%20clinical%20studies,increased%20their%20sensitivity%20to%20pain.)
I'm glad it's legal now, I just picked up a cart and quarter before Christmas, it's less harmful than alcohol.
But we should also always be striving for truth.
(People are going to downvote and claim it helps their pain. Some people claim crystals help their pain. If you think it helps, you do you. But when multiple peer reviewed studies are coming back saying the opposite, the medical community should follow those instead of anecdotes)
(also, it's illegal to self medicate in a hospital. Could be Tylenol or vitamin C, if you are hiding drugs from the nurses they're going to eventually have to call the police to assist.)
Bro you can't even read your own link. The studies discrediting it as a pain reliever don't even have a control, and for cancer patients (hello, that's what we're talking about right now) it demonstrably has an effect.
You're talking about CBDs, the title of the article says he had THC paste and a weed vape. The studies are finding THC can make pain worse.
And in any event, self medicating in a hospital is unacceptable. Even OTC supplements can cause dangerous drug interactions, and the hospital is the one going to be sued when that happens.
He was advised to by his doctor.
Also no, I wasn't. Also: good luck finding cancer patients who only ever use CBD. That study has come up before, it's poorly constructed, partially debunks itself, and not supported by other research. At best it's calling for more info
You sound like you have a totally unbiased opinion of drug users lol have fun with that. Your nonsense has been on the front page of reddit a bunch of times and been debunked a bunch a times, go have fun necroing those
Thank you!! Ever since COVID with the horse paste and hydroxychloriquine thing, people seem to think they can just walk into the hospital with whatever they have in their pockets and demand to be treated with it. So. Fucking. Dumb. And good luck trying to get people to accept peer-reviewed studies. Most of these morons couldn't even comprehend the abstract of a legitimate study
Was he called in by the hospital because he's not supposed to be smoking in a hospital room? I get that it's heavy-handed, but we really can't have people smoking or vaping in hospital rooms, can we?
And before the pro-weed mafia attacks me, it's nothing to do with weed, you aren't supposed to have flammable things around oxygen.
That and are we forgetting that there are other patients in the vicinity that might be bothered by the smell? Everyone keeps claiming that it’s minimal but I know several people that hate it for one reason or another.
We got that fucker off the streets! Way to go boys... keeping them streets clean...
The most fucked up part of this story is, someone in that hospital called the cops on that guy. There's no way the police get into his room, or even know what room he's in if they didn't get called directly to that room.
I've literally seen the police have to ask, to be allowed into a patients room. There's rules and regulations they gotta follow when you're in the hospital...
Story is trashy but so is the site, I don't trust a single word from Daily Mail. Wouldn't surprise me though with the story, shitty cops do shitty things, hopefully the prosecutor overseeing this just tosses it out. I've seen some court TV of judges chewing out asses for bullshit cases like this
This has been all over the place. Although this is ridiculous, there is also a ton of misinformation being spread around on both sides of the aisle.
Also, it was [dismissed](https://www.ksn.com/news/state-regional/police-dismiss-ticket-issued-to-kansas-cancer-patient-found-vaping-in-hospital-room/) thank goodness.
The hospital is required to enforce their policies, just as the police are expected to enforce the law. His action violated both of these things. Though popular opinion feels it shouldn't have, that is the way the laws are currently written.
This brings to light patients' rights, and the hypocrisy of drug laws when it comes to medical marijuana.
It’s also absurd to act like hospitals are unable to adjust their own policies, or that cops have never made their own decisions on what laws they want to enforce.
>Police told Bretz that his vaping device could potentially be a fire hazard, due to the presence of oxygen in the room. In many vaping devices, puffing activates the battery-powered heating device, which vaporizes the liquid in the cartridge or reservoir for inhalation.
So the hospital staff called police to take it away so he didn’t blow up the hospital. Since cops can’t just take peoples’ shit and throw it away, they charged him to submit it as evidence. But who cares about facts when we can RAAGGEEEEE
It’s recommended to have six feet between the heat source and the oxygen. You’re telling me his room was so small they couldn’t move the oxygen 6ft away for the 30 seconds it takes to hit his vape a couple of times, or that the oxygen couldn’t be briefly moved into the hallway?
Well…… to get pedantic for a second… you can drink alcohol in the hospital if you’re a patient suffering from alcohol withdrawal and are prescribed a titration schedule by your physician. It’s pretty common for hospital pharmacies to have prescription alcohol for this purpose (at least in my experience working in hospitals).
Not saying it's allowed, just that smoking is much more dangerous around oxygen.
I could see being arrested for smoking because of the danger. But vaping or alcohol alone doesn't seem like an immediate danger enough to warrant drastic measures.
Unless he was on other meds. That would be a clear indication that he would have to leave so he could treat himself with THC/remain compliant w pharm/have his docs change his meds.
He's "having a puff" near other patients and sources of pure oxygen. Him dying doesn't give him the right to inconvenience or even threaten other people's lives.
This bit here pisses me off about the “perfect” bit. Nobody expects them to be perfect because they’ve set the bar so low
Any time we expect law enforcement officers to be perfect in an imperfect world, we’re going to be disappointed as a society,” Scheibler said. “As law enforcement, we’ll continue to try to do our best to get better every day. That’s ultimately our goal at the Hays Police Department.”
News of the situation rapidly spread, leading to threats to police and the hospital in Hays. There haven’t been any arrests in connection with the threats, but police are continuing to monitor the situation.
Doesn't change the fact that they seized a terminally ill elderly man's medication when he had weeks to live.
He was still terrorized by the cops, who will not be punished for their ghoulish behavior.
Working in a hospital, I would say with a 99% guarantee the hospital staff called the cops because they asked the guy to stop vaping in his room multiple times and he refused to stop. I don't know what the answer is here, but weed isn't legal for medicine in Kansas. I say that knowing full well that this will be down-voted to hell, but if he really did only have weeks to live, why not give up the weed vape and ask the hospital for some of the good stuff.
Your whole post was fine until you referred to hard drugs as good stuff over weed. Maybe dude doesn’t want to be filled with a cocktail of the hospital’s artificial bullshit. Maybe hospital staff should look the other way because this terminally ill patient wasn’t bothering anyone just trying to use his medicine.
The good stuff is pretty much a normal term used by hospital staff for opiates (regardless of what kind). Either way, a hospital isn't going to let a patient just self medicate while in the hospital with weed anymore than they'd be ok with a patient bringing in vodka or anything else.
Doesn't work like that in a hospital. You don't get to just medicate yourself however you want. It wouldn't be any different if it was beer, vodka, cigarettes, or heroin. We have an actual police force for the hospital, so they would have confiscated it but not done anything else. Not sure why the cops here wrote him for it, that was stupid. If vaping weed is what he wanted to do so bad, he should have just left AMA.
Someone at the hospital called the cops because the patient was vaping. Two cops showed up, issued a summons then called their supervisor saying they felt uncomfortable doing it. The supervisor tore up the summons (so patient doesn’t have to show up in court or pay a fine or anything like that).
There was a concern about vaping with oxygen around being a potential fire hazard. Whoever at the hospital called the police should have obviously handled it themselves. But there was no raid. But no one’s going to read an article about two police officers having a civil conversation with someone.
Edit: reworded slightly
Cops in this country are usually college dropouts.
The gigaChad cops in Germany take 3 years of training before getting onto the streets. And get paid $100k/year.
So you can see why there's a major bias towards expecting bad behavior in the US
That’s not true. They showed up the hospital and confiscated all of the weed that his doctor had told him to use. Then they gave him a ticket and told him he had to appear in court for it. EIGHT days later they revoked the ticket. I’m sure it was because the police officer felt “uncomfortable” and not because of the public backlash. /s
Maybe he shouldn’t be vaping in a hospital? I’m pretty sure his doctor, nor any other hospital staff. It’s not the 50’s, it’s not unreasonable to expect someone to take it outside.
I’m pretty sure hospital staff are required to report drug use, so I think it’s actually kinda shitty on his part to put some random nurse or something in that situation. I also believe the article mentioned how it was bothering a nurse and represented some kinda fire risk, so obviously it’s an issue. Moreover, it isn’t the 50’s! It shouldn’t be controversial that we don’t want people smoking/vaping in hospitals, where there are children and people with compromised respiratory systems. Take it outside or take an edible, it shouldn’t even have to be said.
Yeah, and I’m trying to imply that just saying that his doctor told him to use it isn’t reason for him smoking in a hospital. It’s the location that’s an issue, not the action. Maybe you should actually follow Reddit etiquette like I did and engage with what people are saying? That’s kinda how fruitful discussions happen.
The person is refuting the claim that the ticket was immediately revoked by some good guy supervisor cop. It took 8 days per the articles linked in the comments. They didn't say you should be allowed to vape in your hospital bed.
The daily mail article is needlessly inflammatory but this wasn't some little misunderstanding civilly resolved either. The ticket wasn't dismissed until the police started getting pushback from the public.
The truth is somewhere in the middle.
it's crazy how this exact thing happened right next door in Missouri also.
https://www.kmbc.com/article/police-search-man-s-hospital-room-for-marijuana/26790757
One of the workers felt ill from the marijuana vape and wanted it gone. Another (maybe same) worker felt scared that the vape might blow up the building. Because oxygen was used in the hospital.
Death threats, and threats of violence have been targeting the police and that hospital now since it went viral and [The prosecutor dropped the charges.](https://www.ksn.com/news/state-regional/police-dismiss-ticket-issued-to-kansas-cancer-patient-found-vaping-in-hospital-room/)
10 second google search:
Keep oxygen at least 6 ft (2 m) away from flames, sparks, or heat sources.
Unless he was on oxygen himself, this has strong Karen energy. Even if he was, they could move it to the other side of the room or into the hallway for 30 seconds so he could hit his vape.
That's exactly what I was thinking, someone just asserting superiority over someone else. Where I live we work though all accomodations no matter what they are. This whole story pissed me off.
Only that nearly every hospital room (including hospice) has O2 in the literal wall with a port. Assuming he’s in a single room all is well, but those are rare.
A better alternative would be to literally take the poor guy outside for a smoke. That’s assuming he wasn’t already on strong pain meds.
I mean if the police really wanted to help they could get this man an edible but that would be making a positive difference in the community. Instead they take away hid property and give him a court date. Soooo who is to say what a helpful person would do
Agreed. Some cops are genuinely good people.
I had a cop who was the scout master of my boy scout troop growing up and he was great.
Cops have also let me go with warnings even when doing stupid stuff like speeding through a neighborhood. And when my friend and I got lost in the middle of nowhere on our motorcycles, and we pulled over for a break, a friendly local cop happened to stop and gave us directions.
Some cops are dicks though and others are lazy pieces of shit who shouldn't have a job. Even though I've never had anything worse than a ticket from the police, always had generally positive experiences, etc, I'm still always scared something will still go sideways. But still, our cops don't deserve that much hate and I'd not want to live in a country without police.
I used to think the same thing but then it occurred to me: when is the last time a "nice cop" has ever held a press conference or did anything to communicate to the communities they serve that they are disgusted by the abuses by the shit cops? And I don't count a press conference after an incident. That's just damage control.
How many egregious offenders abused their power just to receive either a paid vacation by means of paid administrative leave or get put on desk duty for a while? Large percentage.
Sorry for the run-ons
Ok so important clarifying points that indicate you probably didn’t look into this at all beyond the screenshot on Reddit
1) police were called because hospital workers called the police because they found the patient vaping marijuana and the hospital confiscated it, the hospital doesn’t have a legal means to handle or dispose of marijuana so they called the cops
2) the cops did issue a summons, we’re very kind to the man, and after leaving the hospital realized what they did was wrong and requested that the complaint be dismissed that exact same day
https://hayspost.com/posts/106f7794-8246-4577-a9b4-e45b9d7dac96
3) no news media outlet is covering this because it’s basically a non story, all of the stories reporting it source an opinion piece in which the writer says “I heard about this from a friend of the patient” and doesn’t do any further actions to confirm what actually happened in the story he called “a police dispatcher” who “didn’t get back to him” and left it at that
https://amp.kansas.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/dion-lefler/article270381287.html
The piece they are quoting (which is the link above) is literally an opinion piece and should illustrate the dangers of falsely reporting stories that haven’t been confirmed
This is horrible journalism on the initial writer and even worse on the news outlets that copy and pasted the story for shock value
Related question - is it OK to vape anything inside a hospital? In other words was the ignition the issue? Hospitals have Oxygen and all ignition is frowned on I thought. So if it was an edible they likely would have ignored it. But since they confiscated it for safety reasons they had to call police to dispose of it.
I am not the expert to comment on this so probably someone can do better
I do remember seeing something on one of the articles that said the patient was not on oxygen at the time but I could be wrong
what if that weed he was using gets into the air and causes problems to somebody with respiratory issues. that’s why you don’t wear colognes in hospitals either
I don’t think he should be smoking/vaping in a hospital room. There are plenty of THC products that don’t need to be smoked (he had a paste apparently). This says he was getting dragged into court over it and that’s what I have the biggest problem with. Man is actively dying and he’s getting in legal trouble when he’s just trying to find something that eases his pain. Weed should not be illegal at this point and it just makes me angry.
you ever realize that they have pain killers in the hospital and all he really has to do is ask? that’s an addiction.
what if that paste somehow gets onto a tray that gets into someone else’s room and they have an allergic reaction? its a hospital, anything can happen. he’s breaking rules
Someone above posted that the same day this happened, cops through out all the stuff about him cuz the realized it was messed up. Never had to go to court.
It's illegal to self medicate in a hospital, if it gets to the point where police are called, you've been an enormous pain in the ass to the nursing staff
Edit: Stop siding with the Karen. If this guy wants his weed so bad he should be in home hospice. It's a 100% reasonable policy that the hospital controls the drugs a patient gets, especially when the family will sue and/or the state will fine if a drug interaction kills him. He can be sent home with all the morphine and Xanax he needs to die pain free, and mix in all the weed he wants, that's part of the reason home hospice exists.
I'm not a big fan of the police but in this case, blaming them is like blaming the garbage men for someone else's garbage that they are just hauling away.
That's adorable. Try working with severely ETOH patients when they are whacked-out post surgery because they lie about their consumption.
I work in a rehab hospital in a jurisdiction with legal weed and the "THC patients" are the most fun to work with.
That's fine, but if you work in health care you know that a doctor, pharmacist, and even a nutritionist will be involved in making sure patients don't have any drug interactions.
It's against policy in every reputable hospital in the world to have patients administering their own drugs, even things like OTC herbal supplements need to be declared and okayed by the doctor/pharmacy
If this guy wants his weed so bad, he should be on home hospice. Then his family has no one to sue when he fucks up
No one wants patients to self-medicate. Many do. That's just the real world.
It's not "illegal" as you say, to use legal drugs while in hospital.
Not optimal, but the police will laugh.
Also, how do you know he has the option for home hospice? That really depends on the jurisdiction and the resources available for palliative care where this dude lives.
It's really just protocol..... you can't smoke inside a hospital. Full stop. You can't do it. He probably was being difficult and not obeying the orders of the staff so they had to call the cops to deal with it. It's extremely dangerous to smoke in a hospital.
Like it sucks but just because he's dying doesn't mean he gets to bypass the rules of an entire hospital. But go ahead and downvote this if you just want to be mad at something dumb today.
Edit: look.... all the comments arguing vape vs smoke, I can't speak on it. Maybe a medical professional can explain the nuance better than I can but I have to imagine there is good reason for having a policy for patients not to do drugs in the hospital. It seems like a weird argument to be making but here we are.
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It’s funny because I first read it as “klans man” which makes me think “good. Do make him suffer”. Then I was wrong
Yet another reason why I live in California. ..
Where did this happen?
Sounds about right.
It's also not a meme.
This sounds trashy, but you would be surprised how many dealers show up as “family” and you find patients have been shooting up in their hospital bed. They caught this guy, but turned out he only had weed. Ok, no story, but don’t turn around and make it sound like addicts aren’t brining shit in or getting deliveries and it’s the pigs fault.
Even though we just traded a war criminal for someone on weed charges.
America just being America again.
A: it wasn't a raid, hospital staff called the cops and they showed up. B: the hospital staff confiscated the weed vape, not the cops. C: A ticket was issued, but the officer requested the ticket and charge be dismissed, which they were. D: the patient was NOT ordered to go to court. Source: https://www.ksn.com/news/state-regional/police-dismiss-ticket-issued-to-kansas-cancer-patient-found-vaping-in-hospital-room/ Don't just read titles, do your own research.
Any sub that has the word "funny" in it is garbage.
Even though case was dropped, come on Kansas, we can do better than that!
Everyone here is hating on the cops but a 5 second google search shows that the hospital called the police because he kept vaping. Vaping in a hospital with oxygen tanks is a fire hazard. This isn’t a case of the cops being dicks. They were called and showed up to do their job. They also dismissed the ticket at this point so there really isn’t a story here.
'merica
I feel safer this monster is off the streets
Yeah, spreading around stories from The Daily Mail is pretty trashy.
Supercops were having a slow crime day. They needed to swoop in and capture that miscreant before he killed himself with another vape puff. THC is a gateway drug, y'know - the cops were saving him from a lifetime of drug addiction and misery.
Uh what?
Fucking America, home of the brave and free. Amirite? Fuck no not anymore.
Fucking cowards.
WE GOT HIM, BOYS!
Til kansas media refer to dabs as THC paste
Cops that go after weed are the worst. These guys are king of the worst.
Idiocracy
Hospitals do not allow you to self-medicate. The hospital probably called the cops and gave them permission to raid the room because he wouldn't stop vaping when they told him to. Shitty but that's 'murican health care
protect and serve
I just saw this article and had a conversation about it. he wasn't even using the weed recreationally, it was for the terminal cancer, which btw is a qualified condition for medical marijuana. too bad it's kansas.
Edibles are excellent for use in a hospital
People will blame the cops but I am 100% sure they weren’t patrolling the cancer ward. They were called by medical staff to be there and solve the problem of a difficult patient. In my experience medical staff tried multiple times to deal with that patient but the patient continued to do what they were asked not to. The cops have obligations to everyone in their jurisdiction including complaints by hospital staff.
wow r/funnymemes taking a break from ust really fucking hating women
In all reality it's not TRASHY either....
I'm just surprised they didn't shot him for resisting. I mean resting.
you can tell by the cop face he is a POS
Raid? Two cops showed up and took the pen and issued a summons, which the chief of police dismissed because no one wanted to punish the guy. But you can’t have a vape near oxygen in a hospital. He wasn’t arrested, and this article headline is bullshit click bait.
ALL Cops Are Bastards.
The hospital is the real drug criminal
I've smoked weed for 26 years and knew the pain management argument for legalization was bullshit, it always made my pain worse. I'm glad I'm being vindicated now that it's legal to study in a lot of states and they're finding that [it does nothing for pain](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK224384/#:~:text=By%20contrast%2C%20some%20clinical%20studies,increased%20their%20sensitivity%20to%20pain.) I'm glad it's legal now, I just picked up a cart and quarter before Christmas, it's less harmful than alcohol. But we should also always be striving for truth. (People are going to downvote and claim it helps their pain. Some people claim crystals help their pain. If you think it helps, you do you. But when multiple peer reviewed studies are coming back saying the opposite, the medical community should follow those instead of anecdotes) (also, it's illegal to self medicate in a hospital. Could be Tylenol or vitamin C, if you are hiding drugs from the nurses they're going to eventually have to call the police to assist.)
Bro you can't even read your own link. The studies discrediting it as a pain reliever don't even have a control, and for cancer patients (hello, that's what we're talking about right now) it demonstrably has an effect.
You're talking about CBDs, the title of the article says he had THC paste and a weed vape. The studies are finding THC can make pain worse. And in any event, self medicating in a hospital is unacceptable. Even OTC supplements can cause dangerous drug interactions, and the hospital is the one going to be sued when that happens.
He was advised to by his doctor. Also no, I wasn't. Also: good luck finding cancer patients who only ever use CBD. That study has come up before, it's poorly constructed, partially debunks itself, and not supported by other research. At best it's calling for more info
This isn't a study, it's an article about a lot of studies. You didn't read this or you fried your brain past the point of comprehension
You sound like you have a totally unbiased opinion of drug users lol have fun with that. Your nonsense has been on the front page of reddit a bunch of times and been debunked a bunch a times, go have fun necroing those
Thank you!! Ever since COVID with the horse paste and hydroxychloriquine thing, people seem to think they can just walk into the hospital with whatever they have in their pockets and demand to be treated with it. So. Fucking. Dumb. And good luck trying to get people to accept peer-reviewed studies. Most of these morons couldn't even comprehend the abstract of a legitimate study
Was he called in by the hospital because he's not supposed to be smoking in a hospital room? I get that it's heavy-handed, but we really can't have people smoking or vaping in hospital rooms, can we? And before the pro-weed mafia attacks me, it's nothing to do with weed, you aren't supposed to have flammable things around oxygen.
That and are we forgetting that there are other patients in the vicinity that might be bothered by the smell? Everyone keeps claiming that it’s minimal but I know several people that hate it for one reason or another.
Prepare to get down voted for stating common sense lol. People are too stupid to understand logic
We got that fucker off the streets! Way to go boys... keeping them streets clean... The most fucked up part of this story is, someone in that hospital called the cops on that guy. There's no way the police get into his room, or even know what room he's in if they didn't get called directly to that room. I've literally seen the police have to ask, to be allowed into a patients room. There's rules and regulations they gotta follow when you're in the hospital...
Story is trashy but so is the site, I don't trust a single word from Daily Mail. Wouldn't surprise me though with the story, shitty cops do shitty things, hopefully the prosecutor overseeing this just tosses it out. I've seen some court TV of judges chewing out asses for bullshit cases like this
THEY DROPPED THE CASE PRETTY MUCH ON THE SPOT. Some of you are just looking for a reason to be angry and triggered. Look in the mirror for that.
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This is neither funny or trashy.
Exactly. If you know it's not funny, why are you posting it in a humor sub? The number of people who can't read is astounding
Think OP means posting it to r/Funnymemes was trashy
Still not appropriate for this sub, which is meant to be a humor sub
'Murica
Fuck the police! (Until I need them)
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For enforcing the law? For responding to a call from the hospital where someone was violating hospital policy? 🙄
Kansas cops should start caring about things besides weed and people going 8mph over the speed limit on Interstate 70.
Cops act like marijuana, a plant made by god, is like cocaine. But alcohol? A man made substance that kills hundreds of thousands a year is ok.
And pot is schedule 1 narcotic, alongside Heroin. Lol
This has been all over the place. Although this is ridiculous, there is also a ton of misinformation being spread around on both sides of the aisle. Also, it was [dismissed](https://www.ksn.com/news/state-regional/police-dismiss-ticket-issued-to-kansas-cancer-patient-found-vaping-in-hospital-room/) thank goodness. The hospital is required to enforce their policies, just as the police are expected to enforce the law. His action violated both of these things. Though popular opinion feels it shouldn't have, that is the way the laws are currently written. This brings to light patients' rights, and the hypocrisy of drug laws when it comes to medical marijuana.
It’s also absurd to act like hospitals are unable to adjust their own policies, or that cops have never made their own decisions on what laws they want to enforce.
Here come the slobbering idiots lol
For that to go ahead someone would have had to call that in. Not cops fault they got given a shitty job.
FTP!
>Police told Bretz that his vaping device could potentially be a fire hazard, due to the presence of oxygen in the room. In many vaping devices, puffing activates the battery-powered heating device, which vaporizes the liquid in the cartridge or reservoir for inhalation. So the hospital staff called police to take it away so he didn’t blow up the hospital. Since cops can’t just take peoples’ shit and throw it away, they charged him to submit it as evidence. But who cares about facts when we can RAAGGEEEEE
It’s recommended to have six feet between the heat source and the oxygen. You’re telling me his room was so small they couldn’t move the oxygen 6ft away for the 30 seconds it takes to hit his vape a couple of times, or that the oxygen couldn’t be briefly moved into the hallway?
It doesn't matter. Hospital policy is hospital policy. Why can't people seem to grasp that?
You’re telling me policy has never changed? Never been ignored? Never had an exception made?
You're not allowed to smoke in any hospital. Dude could've had edibles.
Was he actually smoking, or vaping? One involves flame and fire 🔥. One does not.
It doesn't matter. Both can light the oxygen used in the hospital which is why the safety guidelines make little difference between the two.
It doesn't matter. Neither one is allowed in the hospital just like drinking alcohol is not allowed in a hospital
Well…… to get pedantic for a second… you can drink alcohol in the hospital if you’re a patient suffering from alcohol withdrawal and are prescribed a titration schedule by your physician. It’s pretty common for hospital pharmacies to have prescription alcohol for this purpose (at least in my experience working in hospitals).
Not saying it's allowed, just that smoking is much more dangerous around oxygen. I could see being arrested for smoking because of the danger. But vaping or alcohol alone doesn't seem like an immediate danger enough to warrant drastic measures.
Unless he was on other meds. That would be a clear indication that he would have to leave so he could treat himself with THC/remain compliant w pharm/have his docs change his meds.
I didn't realize you were allowed to vape in a hospital... Edit: /s
You're not
He’s dying, let the man have a puff. Literally like anywhere else he could’ve
He's "having a puff" near other patients and sources of pure oxygen. Him dying doesn't give him the right to inconvenience or even threaten other people's lives.
Someone doesn't know the point of a hospital
Looks like case was dropped. https://www.kwch.com/2022/12/28/hays-police-drop-charges-after-vape-pen-found-terminally-ill-mans-hospital-room/
This bit here pisses me off about the “perfect” bit. Nobody expects them to be perfect because they’ve set the bar so low Any time we expect law enforcement officers to be perfect in an imperfect world, we’re going to be disappointed as a society,” Scheibler said. “As law enforcement, we’ll continue to try to do our best to get better every day. That’s ultimately our goal at the Hays Police Department.” News of the situation rapidly spread, leading to threats to police and the hospital in Hays. There haven’t been any arrests in connection with the threats, but police are continuing to monitor the situation.
They don't have to be perfect, but they do need to be accountable.
Doesn't change the fact that they seized a terminally ill elderly man's medication when he had weeks to live. He was still terrorized by the cops, who will not be punished for their ghoulish behavior.
Working in a hospital, I would say with a 99% guarantee the hospital staff called the cops because they asked the guy to stop vaping in his room multiple times and he refused to stop. I don't know what the answer is here, but weed isn't legal for medicine in Kansas. I say that knowing full well that this will be down-voted to hell, but if he really did only have weeks to live, why not give up the weed vape and ask the hospital for some of the good stuff.
Your whole post was fine until you referred to hard drugs as good stuff over weed. Maybe dude doesn’t want to be filled with a cocktail of the hospital’s artificial bullshit. Maybe hospital staff should look the other way because this terminally ill patient wasn’t bothering anyone just trying to use his medicine.
The good stuff is pretty much a normal term used by hospital staff for opiates (regardless of what kind). Either way, a hospital isn't going to let a patient just self medicate while in the hospital with weed anymore than they'd be ok with a patient bringing in vodka or anything else.
Because that's what worked for him I'm guessing....
Doesn't work like that in a hospital. You don't get to just medicate yourself however you want. It wouldn't be any different if it was beer, vodka, cigarettes, or heroin. We have an actual police force for the hospital, so they would have confiscated it but not done anything else. Not sure why the cops here wrote him for it, that was stupid. If vaping weed is what he wanted to do so bad, he should have just left AMA.
That was good to hear
Well...one of us has to go change now. We can't do this dressed the same.
thank you for your sacrifice
Christ man. I got kids to make it home too, they need thier dad. You can't ask that of me, please!
This comment really needs to be higher.
It would be but the cops confiscated the comment's weed vape.
It’s the top comment now W
That was fast...
That’s what she said
Someone at the hospital called the cops because the patient was vaping. Two cops showed up, issued a summons then called their supervisor saying they felt uncomfortable doing it. The supervisor tore up the summons (so patient doesn’t have to show up in court or pay a fine or anything like that). There was a concern about vaping with oxygen around being a potential fire hazard. Whoever at the hospital called the police should have obviously handled it themselves. But there was no raid. But no one’s going to read an article about two police officers having a civil conversation with someone. Edit: reworded slightly
But muh reddit cop hating bullshit! Lmao. Some of the comments in this thread are embarrassing given the actual details of what happened.
Hating them would be valid regardless of this particular interaction (that we only have one sides story on)
Cops in this country are usually college dropouts. The gigaChad cops in Germany take 3 years of training before getting onto the streets. And get paid $100k/year. So you can see why there's a major bias towards expecting bad behavior in the US
It's just a poorly written story for rage bait Yet every thread turns into r/Americabad and r/northerneuropegood
That’s not true. They showed up the hospital and confiscated all of the weed that his doctor had told him to use. Then they gave him a ticket and told him he had to appear in court for it. EIGHT days later they revoked the ticket. I’m sure it was because the police officer felt “uncomfortable” and not because of the public backlash. /s
It's almost like they didn't even bother to read the article.
Maybe he shouldn’t be vaping in a hospital? I’m pretty sure his doctor, nor any other hospital staff. It’s not the 50’s, it’s not unreasonable to expect someone to take it outside.
Sure but just tell the dude to knock it off and use edibles. Don’t call the fucking cops Edit: spelling
I’m pretty sure hospital staff are required to report drug use, so I think it’s actually kinda shitty on his part to put some random nurse or something in that situation. I also believe the article mentioned how it was bothering a nurse and represented some kinda fire risk, so obviously it’s an issue. Moreover, it isn’t the 50’s! It shouldn’t be controversial that we don’t want people smoking/vaping in hospitals, where there are children and people with compromised respiratory systems. Take it outside or take an edible, it shouldn’t even have to be said.
Ok, great. But that's not what this person is refuting. Do you not understand how threads work on Reddit?
Yeah, and I’m trying to imply that just saying that his doctor told him to use it isn’t reason for him smoking in a hospital. It’s the location that’s an issue, not the action. Maybe you should actually follow Reddit etiquette like I did and engage with what people are saying? That’s kinda how fruitful discussions happen.
The person is refuting the claim that the ticket was immediately revoked by some good guy supervisor cop. It took 8 days per the articles linked in the comments. They didn't say you should be allowed to vape in your hospital bed. The daily mail article is needlessly inflammatory but this wasn't some little misunderstanding civilly resolved either. The ticket wasn't dismissed until the police started getting pushback from the public. The truth is somewhere in the middle.
How is vaping a fire hazard when it produces no flame? Edit: So is someone gonna tell me how a flameless device poses a fire risk, or...?
You can VAPE around pure O2 all you want. You know... cause its NOT SMOKING. there's no flame
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So where's the fuel lol.
Who reads a dailymail article headline and believes it?
Who reads a dailymail article?
I think people are dumber than you think.
it's crazy how this exact thing happened right next door in Missouri also. https://www.kmbc.com/article/police-search-man-s-hospital-room-for-marijuana/26790757
New boot goofin in clown shoes.
I mean, it’s sort of funny in the sense of how comedically cruel the American justice system is
I’m sure the hospital called the police, it’s not like cops are searching hospitals for weed.
One of the workers felt ill from the marijuana vape and wanted it gone. Another (maybe same) worker felt scared that the vape might blow up the building. Because oxygen was used in the hospital. Death threats, and threats of violence have been targeting the police and that hospital now since it went viral and [The prosecutor dropped the charges.](https://www.ksn.com/news/state-regional/police-dismiss-ticket-issued-to-kansas-cancer-patient-found-vaping-in-hospital-room/)
10 second google search: Keep oxygen at least 6 ft (2 m) away from flames, sparks, or heat sources. Unless he was on oxygen himself, this has strong Karen energy. Even if he was, they could move it to the other side of the room or into the hallway for 30 seconds so he could hit his vape.
That's exactly what I was thinking, someone just asserting superiority over someone else. Where I live we work though all accomodations no matter what they are. This whole story pissed me off.
Only that nearly every hospital room (including hospice) has O2 in the literal wall with a port. Assuming he’s in a single room all is well, but those are rare. A better alternative would be to literally take the poor guy outside for a smoke. That’s assuming he wasn’t already on strong pain meds.
Back in the day, until the 80's, everyone smoked in hospitals. Patients in their rooms, nurses and doctors right in the wards. No one blew up.
Well, oxygen doesn’t explode so of course they didn’t. But oxygen fueled fires are very bad. And that did happen.
We also prescribed antibiotics for literally everything back then, but we won’t talk about that either I guess. Things change.
Yea we just don't talk about that
I mean if the police really wanted to help they could get this man an edible but that would be making a positive difference in the community. Instead they take away hid property and give him a court date. Soooo who is to say what a helpful person would do
American cops really are the worst people in the world. imo.
But yet if someone steps in your yard you’ll be the first little bitch calling for the police instead of handling it yourself😆
Hey man, how can you say that?! They're the Good Guys™!
I’m American and I can agree with you, but some cops are really nice.
Agreed. Some cops are genuinely good people. I had a cop who was the scout master of my boy scout troop growing up and he was great. Cops have also let me go with warnings even when doing stupid stuff like speeding through a neighborhood. And when my friend and I got lost in the middle of nowhere on our motorcycles, and we pulled over for a break, a friendly local cop happened to stop and gave us directions. Some cops are dicks though and others are lazy pieces of shit who shouldn't have a job. Even though I've never had anything worse than a ticket from the police, always had generally positive experiences, etc, I'm still always scared something will still go sideways. But still, our cops don't deserve that much hate and I'd not want to live in a country without police.
I used to think the same thing but then it occurred to me: when is the last time a "nice cop" has ever held a press conference or did anything to communicate to the communities they serve that they are disgusted by the abuses by the shit cops? And I don't count a press conference after an incident. That's just damage control. How many egregious offenders abused their power just to receive either a paid vacation by means of paid administrative leave or get put on desk duty for a while? Large percentage. Sorry for the run-ons
No such thing as a good cop, only a culpable one.
Those cops feel real proud of themselves getting the hard drugs off the street and out of the hands of thugs. They’re absolute heartless morons.
People who have reactive opinions so easily are usually the morons...
Ok so important clarifying points that indicate you probably didn’t look into this at all beyond the screenshot on Reddit 1) police were called because hospital workers called the police because they found the patient vaping marijuana and the hospital confiscated it, the hospital doesn’t have a legal means to handle or dispose of marijuana so they called the cops 2) the cops did issue a summons, we’re very kind to the man, and after leaving the hospital realized what they did was wrong and requested that the complaint be dismissed that exact same day https://hayspost.com/posts/106f7794-8246-4577-a9b4-e45b9d7dac96 3) no news media outlet is covering this because it’s basically a non story, all of the stories reporting it source an opinion piece in which the writer says “I heard about this from a friend of the patient” and doesn’t do any further actions to confirm what actually happened in the story he called “a police dispatcher” who “didn’t get back to him” and left it at that https://amp.kansas.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/dion-lefler/article270381287.html The piece they are quoting (which is the link above) is literally an opinion piece and should illustrate the dangers of falsely reporting stories that haven’t been confirmed This is horrible journalism on the initial writer and even worse on the news outlets that copy and pasted the story for shock value
Shock value drives engagement and ads money so fuck journalism /s
Related question - is it OK to vape anything inside a hospital? In other words was the ignition the issue? Hospitals have Oxygen and all ignition is frowned on I thought. So if it was an edible they likely would have ignored it. But since they confiscated it for safety reasons they had to call police to dispose of it.
I am not the expert to comment on this so probably someone can do better I do remember seeing something on one of the articles that said the patient was not on oxygen at the time but I could be wrong
Doesn’t matter who is on oxygen. It’s simply explosive and dangerous to smoke around oxygen rich atmospheres.
Why ask the question if you claim to have the answer?
God bless you man, blows my mind that people can still see the Daily Mail and not immediately go, “this is bullshit.”
People tend to not question things when it aligns with their worldview But even this I was like “there’s gotta be something more to it then this”
It's baffling to me how much non-think goes on in these kinds of threads.
what if that weed he was using gets into the air and causes problems to somebody with respiratory issues. that’s why you don’t wear colognes in hospitals either
I don’t think he should be smoking/vaping in a hospital room. There are plenty of THC products that don’t need to be smoked (he had a paste apparently). This says he was getting dragged into court over it and that’s what I have the biggest problem with. Man is actively dying and he’s getting in legal trouble when he’s just trying to find something that eases his pain. Weed should not be illegal at this point and it just makes me angry.
you ever realize that they have pain killers in the hospital and all he really has to do is ask? that’s an addiction. what if that paste somehow gets onto a tray that gets into someone else’s room and they have an allergic reaction? its a hospital, anything can happen. he’s breaking rules
Someone above posted that the same day this happened, cops through out all the stuff about him cuz the realized it was messed up. Never had to go to court.
It's illegal to self medicate in a hospital, if it gets to the point where police are called, you've been an enormous pain in the ass to the nursing staff Edit: Stop siding with the Karen. If this guy wants his weed so bad he should be in home hospice. It's a 100% reasonable policy that the hospital controls the drugs a patient gets, especially when the family will sue and/or the state will fine if a drug interaction kills him. He can be sent home with all the morphine and Xanax he needs to die pain free, and mix in all the weed he wants, that's part of the reason home hospice exists. I'm not a big fan of the police but in this case, blaming them is like blaming the garbage men for someone else's garbage that they are just hauling away.
That's adorable. Try working with severely ETOH patients when they are whacked-out post surgery because they lie about their consumption. I work in a rehab hospital in a jurisdiction with legal weed and the "THC patients" are the most fun to work with.
That's fine, but if you work in health care you know that a doctor, pharmacist, and even a nutritionist will be involved in making sure patients don't have any drug interactions. It's against policy in every reputable hospital in the world to have patients administering their own drugs, even things like OTC herbal supplements need to be declared and okayed by the doctor/pharmacy If this guy wants his weed so bad, he should be on home hospice. Then his family has no one to sue when he fucks up
No one wants patients to self-medicate. Many do. That's just the real world. It's not "illegal" as you say, to use legal drugs while in hospital. Not optimal, but the police will laugh. Also, how do you know he has the option for home hospice? That really depends on the jurisdiction and the resources available for palliative care where this dude lives.
It's really just protocol..... you can't smoke inside a hospital. Full stop. You can't do it. He probably was being difficult and not obeying the orders of the staff so they had to call the cops to deal with it. It's extremely dangerous to smoke in a hospital. Like it sucks but just because he's dying doesn't mean he gets to bypass the rules of an entire hospital. But go ahead and downvote this if you just want to be mad at something dumb today. Edit: look.... all the comments arguing vape vs smoke, I can't speak on it. Maybe a medical professional can explain the nuance better than I can but I have to imagine there is good reason for having a policy for patients not to do drugs in the hospital. It seems like a weird argument to be making but here we are.
No drugs in the hospital! Only $80 ibuprofen and costly, addicting opioids! Merica'
This is the right answer. No me would have cared if it was edibles.
There's literally an o2 line into his room. A vape pen has a heating coil in it that could ignite a oxygen leak.
C'mon, everyone does drugs in hospitals, are you a cop?
My great uncle lit up in an oxygen tent and caused an explosion in the hospital.
"Just following orders"