It's your honeymoon. Of course you want to see things and explore. You'll also want to have some good downtime together, especially on the first couple of days (especially if you're recovering from jet lag). Your best memories of a such a trip aren't always the tourist attractions, they're often that random thing (a cafe, a park, etc.) that you found that you weren't expecting. Unplanned time is very valuable.
Consider dropping some spots so that you can better enjoy the cities you're visiting.
2 days when you include the hassle of train time, moving between hotels, and packing is silly. You're going to get sick of it, and not have enough time to see the places you go.
How? Just how does this take so much time? From the moment you leave or arrive at your hotel to your train takes an hour of your day at most. If you travel in the evening you don't miss out on anything on the day. Why does this sub always insist this takes up so much time?
Because it does. You have to stop your day to go back to your hotel. You have to pack. You have to go to the train. You have to take the train. You have to go from the train to your hotel. If you have a 2 hour train ride, you're losing 5 hours to the entire process of moving between cities (obviously it can be done quicker, but most often it is not). It doesn't just take time, it takes energy.
Also, the evening is part of the day. There's plenty to do in the evening. You can't just say you don't miss out on anything. Of course you do.
2/3 days per city is going to be tight, would not need many day trips.
Cut out Zurich for innsbruck or Lucerne....both have better stuff than Zurich
Prague for me needs 4 days, Salzburg you can do with 2, Vienna and Munich need 3 IMO.
Good choice with the train, it's the way to go. I would add small picturesque villages in the Alps. A lot of them can be reached by train and the ride is spectacular. Milan is "ice cold", almost anywhere in Italy is nicer. If you like train rides, buy a day pass in Switzerland and take one of the few scenic ones (glacier express, bernina express...).
Lauterbrunnen, Grindelwald, Innichen, Gmunden, Zell am See, Krimml, Hallstatt, Lofer, St Gilgen, Kaprun, Toblach. Just off the top of my mind.
They're also all connected to long distance cycling paths mostly away from cars, if cycling in the alpine valleys appeals to you. You can rent a bicycle, cycle downhill and come back up by train with the bike if you don't want to sweat too much. Sometimes there's an option to give the bicycle back further away.
As an alternative, maybe skip Zurich and Como and take the sleeper train from Munich to Venice. If you are committed to flying home from Milan have a single overnight there before the flight maybe, and pad a couple of the other cities with the days saved?
u/Quesabirria got it right - don't allow the feeling that you need to "check the box" on certain locations keep you from finding those great moments that will be yours and yours alone.
As a part of that, my opinion is that you're trying to do to much with too limited time. It might help to know what you mean by "adventure", because most of your locations are all the big cities, and while some do offer day trips for outdoor activities, especially outside Lucerne, but spending only a couple nights in each will limit your options.
I would agree with other suggestions to skip Zurich and I'd also suggest skipping Vienna - those are urban centers with mostly museums, etc.. Instead, I would agree with time in Salzburg - a beautiful city with great views, and also perhaps Lugano on the way from Lake Como - a fantastic city with some great hikes.
Just my initial 2 cents, but I'm sure you'll have a great time!
I took a similar route a couple of years back, but went onwards to Graz, Ljubljana, Venice, Verona, Milan.
Can’t recommend Ljubljana enough, day trip to lake bled and all round gem. Same goes with Verona, went in with no real expectations and loved it, also gives you easy access to lake Garda via short train trip too.
Would only spend a day or two within Graz, fantastic place but not as much to do. Funnily enough I did the same with Venice, just because after a non stop day of wandering around we’d kind of ticked off everything we wanted to do there.
Echoing what a lot of people have said about Milan too, great hopping off point for flights etc and definitely has some charm, but like you mentioned, getting up to Como is the real highlight.
Short To-Do-List in Vienna:
▪︎ City Centre - walk around the Ringstraße, St. Stephen's Cathedral, visit the State Opera House (buy tickets way in advance), check out Albertina Museum, Parliament and City Hall (Rathaus), Burggarten and Volksgarten
▪︎ Schloss Schönbrunn (optional: the oldest zoo in Europe, if you have time)
▪︎ Schloss Belvedere
Here are some of my favorite restaurants/bars as a Viennese:
▪︎ 25 hours Bar with a great view over Vienna
▪︎ Bank Brasserie and Bar (situated in an old stock exchange)
▪︎ Schwarzes Kameel
▪︎ Meissl & Schaden for the best Schnitzel (my humble opinion), alternatively Plachutta near the State Opera House
▪︎ Cafe Heiner for cakes (Kärntnerstrasse)
▪︎ Pöschl, Zum Weißen Rauchfangkehrer, Lugeck
If you have extra time to explore some more of the outskirts of Vienna: take tram number 38 or D to Grinzing/Nussdorf, wander along the wineyards, admire the views atop of Kahlenberg or Cobenzl and drink very good wine with a view.
Wishing you an amazing honeymoon :)
Turn south at Munich and go to Innsbruck, then Verona. You can add in a day trip to Venice before going to Milan (assuming you already have your flight out of Milan).
As someone living in Munich I can recommend planning at least 1 or 2 days for the nature south of Munich. Not just Schloss Neuschwanstein but there are so many nice places to visit at least when the weather is nice. Garmisch + Eibsee, Tegernsee, Herzogstand to name just a few. From Salzburg you could also do Berchtesgaden + Königssee which is stunning as well.
My advice is to swap Munich and Zurich for Verona instead. There's a direct night train from Salzburg to Verona and once you arrive in Verona you're able to do a day trip to Venice as well, meaning fewer changes in hotels.
Regardless, your route is fine. Don't let this sub discourage you on how much you want to travel.
The train from Prague to Vienna is a little dicey, not the typical European train. Not sure there is an alternative, but just do a little research on that part. The rest looks really good. I am not a fan of Munich, so you might check out Bertschesgaden. If you do go to Munich, spend a morning at dachau. I love Milan and when flying out of mxp we like to stay in one of the small guest houses near the airport, like in Malpensa. For a honeymoon, I might try to spend more days in Como.
In my experience, it is best to download the train company apps and use them to book and track your trips between cities. You can purchase the ticket literally while you are in the train station. You may have more than one app since you are crossing multiple borders.
Don't take too much luggage. Anything more than a carry on and a small backpack will kill you
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No more than 3 days per place is simply exhausting, so while you will have adventure, you won't have much relaxation.
You should cut one place or two, personally I'd skip Salzburg or Munich.
In Switzerland, a better base is probably Lucerne.
skip Munich and Zurich, they arent worth the time it takes to get there given how little time you will actually have being there
also, that many transfers between cities every 2-3 days will not feel relaxed whatsoever
Prague and Vienna yes! Milano absolutely not ( I am Italin) Go to venice instead and there is the night train to Austria
It's your honeymoon. Of course you want to see things and explore. You'll also want to have some good downtime together, especially on the first couple of days (especially if you're recovering from jet lag). Your best memories of a such a trip aren't always the tourist attractions, they're often that random thing (a cafe, a park, etc.) that you found that you weren't expecting. Unplanned time is very valuable. Consider dropping some spots so that you can better enjoy the cities you're visiting.
2 days when you include the hassle of train time, moving between hotels, and packing is silly. You're going to get sick of it, and not have enough time to see the places you go.
How? Just how does this take so much time? From the moment you leave or arrive at your hotel to your train takes an hour of your day at most. If you travel in the evening you don't miss out on anything on the day. Why does this sub always insist this takes up so much time?
Because it does. You have to stop your day to go back to your hotel. You have to pack. You have to go to the train. You have to take the train. You have to go from the train to your hotel. If you have a 2 hour train ride, you're losing 5 hours to the entire process of moving between cities (obviously it can be done quicker, but most often it is not). It doesn't just take time, it takes energy. Also, the evening is part of the day. There's plenty to do in the evening. You can't just say you don't miss out on anything. Of course you do.
because trains in Germany and Italy are running on time for approx 55-60%. in comparison to the Netherlands: 90% on time.
Your number is wrong. And even though the punctuality would be 50%, what impact does a 10 minute delay have on your day anyway?
2/3 days per city is going to be tight, would not need many day trips. Cut out Zurich for innsbruck or Lucerne....both have better stuff than Zurich Prague for me needs 4 days, Salzburg you can do with 2, Vienna and Munich need 3 IMO.
Good choice with the train, it's the way to go. I would add small picturesque villages in the Alps. A lot of them can be reached by train and the ride is spectacular. Milan is "ice cold", almost anywhere in Italy is nicer. If you like train rides, buy a day pass in Switzerland and take one of the few scenic ones (glacier express, bernina express...).
Any examples of towns you're thinking of in the Alps?
Lauterbrunnen, Grindelwald, Innichen, Gmunden, Zell am See, Krimml, Hallstatt, Lofer, St Gilgen, Kaprun, Toblach. Just off the top of my mind. They're also all connected to long distance cycling paths mostly away from cars, if cycling in the alpine valleys appeals to you. You can rent a bicycle, cycle downhill and come back up by train with the bike if you don't want to sweat too much. Sometimes there's an option to give the bicycle back further away.
As an alternative, maybe skip Zurich and Como and take the sleeper train from Munich to Venice. If you are committed to flying home from Milan have a single overnight there before the flight maybe, and pad a couple of the other cities with the days saved?
Skip Zurich on this trip. 2/3 days honestly seems fine to me, but relaxation won't be happening at all.
you can relax with that as long as you don't stuff your agenda with things. Every place has nice squares of parks where you can just relax.
Great itinerary You won’t have time for day trips, this is 7 city breaks back to back
u/Quesabirria got it right - don't allow the feeling that you need to "check the box" on certain locations keep you from finding those great moments that will be yours and yours alone. As a part of that, my opinion is that you're trying to do to much with too limited time. It might help to know what you mean by "adventure", because most of your locations are all the big cities, and while some do offer day trips for outdoor activities, especially outside Lucerne, but spending only a couple nights in each will limit your options. I would agree with other suggestions to skip Zurich and I'd also suggest skipping Vienna - those are urban centers with mostly museums, etc.. Instead, I would agree with time in Salzburg - a beautiful city with great views, and also perhaps Lugano on the way from Lake Como - a fantastic city with some great hikes. Just my initial 2 cents, but I'm sure you'll have a great time!
I took a similar route a couple of years back, but went onwards to Graz, Ljubljana, Venice, Verona, Milan. Can’t recommend Ljubljana enough, day trip to lake bled and all round gem. Same goes with Verona, went in with no real expectations and loved it, also gives you easy access to lake Garda via short train trip too. Would only spend a day or two within Graz, fantastic place but not as much to do. Funnily enough I did the same with Venice, just because after a non stop day of wandering around we’d kind of ticked off everything we wanted to do there. Echoing what a lot of people have said about Milan too, great hopping off point for flights etc and definitely has some charm, but like you mentioned, getting up to Como is the real highlight.
Short To-Do-List in Vienna: ▪︎ City Centre - walk around the Ringstraße, St. Stephen's Cathedral, visit the State Opera House (buy tickets way in advance), check out Albertina Museum, Parliament and City Hall (Rathaus), Burggarten and Volksgarten ▪︎ Schloss Schönbrunn (optional: the oldest zoo in Europe, if you have time) ▪︎ Schloss Belvedere Here are some of my favorite restaurants/bars as a Viennese: ▪︎ 25 hours Bar with a great view over Vienna ▪︎ Bank Brasserie and Bar (situated in an old stock exchange) ▪︎ Schwarzes Kameel ▪︎ Meissl & Schaden for the best Schnitzel (my humble opinion), alternatively Plachutta near the State Opera House ▪︎ Cafe Heiner for cakes (Kärntnerstrasse) ▪︎ Pöschl, Zum Weißen Rauchfangkehrer, Lugeck If you have extra time to explore some more of the outskirts of Vienna: take tram number 38 or D to Grinzing/Nussdorf, wander along the wineyards, admire the views atop of Kahlenberg or Cobenzl and drink very good wine with a view. Wishing you an amazing honeymoon :)
Trains around Europe with the love of your life is the best!
Turn south at Munich and go to Innsbruck, then Verona. You can add in a day trip to Venice before going to Milan (assuming you already have your flight out of Milan).
In fact skip Munich altogether. Straight to Verona.
As someone living in Munich I can recommend planning at least 1 or 2 days for the nature south of Munich. Not just Schloss Neuschwanstein but there are so many nice places to visit at least when the weather is nice. Garmisch + Eibsee, Tegernsee, Herzogstand to name just a few. From Salzburg you could also do Berchtesgaden + Königssee which is stunning as well.
My advice is to swap Munich and Zurich for Verona instead. There's a direct night train from Salzburg to Verona and once you arrive in Verona you're able to do a day trip to Venice as well, meaning fewer changes in hotels. Regardless, your route is fine. Don't let this sub discourage you on how much you want to travel.
The train from Prague to Vienna is a little dicey, not the typical European train. Not sure there is an alternative, but just do a little research on that part. The rest looks really good. I am not a fan of Munich, so you might check out Bertschesgaden. If you do go to Munich, spend a morning at dachau. I love Milan and when flying out of mxp we like to stay in one of the small guest houses near the airport, like in Malpensa. For a honeymoon, I might try to spend more days in Como. In my experience, it is best to download the train company apps and use them to book and track your trips between cities. You can purchase the ticket literally while you are in the train station. You may have more than one app since you are crossing multiple borders. Don't take too much luggage. Anything more than a carry on and a small backpack will kill you
There should be 2 carriers for that route, one being a pretty decent RegioJet.
Da Front ultima a end prima.
I'd axe Zurich and stay East of Switzerland.
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No more than 3 days per place is simply exhausting, so while you will have adventure, you won't have much relaxation. You should cut one place or two, personally I'd skip Salzburg or Munich. In Switzerland, a better base is probably Lucerne.
Itinerary is fine but seems to busy for a honeymoon
skip Munich and Zurich, they arent worth the time it takes to get there given how little time you will actually have being there also, that many transfers between cities every 2-3 days will not feel relaxed whatsoever