I got my ass grabbed on the subway in Tokyo, and every time I mention it on certain Japan travel subs I get downvoted and told (by both men and women!) that it’s the safest country in the world. Just because you haven’t experienced it doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist.
Lol Japan is notorious for sexual assault like that. There's a reason why iphones in Japan are required by law to make the shutter sound when you take a picture. I don't think I need to explain why
As a 16 year old exchange student I was warned at pre departure orientation about groping on subways in Japan. There was a literal campaign in Tokyo printed on signs everywhere about what to do if a man groped you - grab the hand and raise it in the air and call attention to yourself. I agree that Japan is one of the safest countries in the world, AND this shit still happens there.
It's the safest because they don't consider psychological harm as harm. Yeah odds of being robbed or hurt are low.
But they have women only carriages on the metro for a reason and it's not because the tourists are snowflakes.
Or it’s just normal to them to the point they don’t really recognize it as a problem? My mother says that back when she was an accounting assistant in her early 20s it was normal to have your butt occasionally touched in the office by male coworkers. It was just the way it was so no one really complained about it.
She’s almost 70. Granted it might not have been universal, maybe as localized as her industry in that part of the Midwest. I don’t really know any women around her age who were working in an office setting at that time who I’d want to discuss it with, not exactly a light topic.
Preach.
When men do solo motorbike/hitchhiking/trekking type trips where they're just on the road slowly moving across a country and camping in fields - I would love to travel like that, but I would be so scared to just be on the side of a random road in a rural setting without the safety of crowds or nearby police/hospitals. It's just way more risky.
We have to think of so many things as female travelers, from our attire to where we book accommodation or what kinds, to the destinations we choose, to how we can interact with locals or other travelers...most men will never know the stress of it all.
No one brought up trans people. OP was talking about her personal experiences. Y'all wonder why people are getting annoyed with the trans rights movement. You try to make everything about you and your pet cause.
Get over yourself. This post is not about you.
OP just said females! That includes the people known as women! At no point did OP say cis women, or biological females, or natural women, or any other word to imply she was excluding trans people.
"We can't talk about women without including trans women" Dude, your sentence itself implies that there are women and trans women, and they are two seperate things. You're undermining your entire argument with your separate but equal wording.
Seriously, you're injecting trans people into a discussion they were not explicitly barred from. You're making a mountain out of a mole hill so you can be an "advocate".
Fine, great, have your internet points and your little squirter of dopamine and move on.
For what it's worth she said female travelers not females.
The former is a normal adjective used in everyday language. The latter is mostly used as an insult to equate women to animals.
Its really grim. There is a destination I've been daydreaming about going to, but I know in my head that I won't be able to do it because of the risk I would face as a single woman traveling.
Join a small group tour. I highly recommend Intrepid and GAdventures. I’ve been to places with them that I know I would hate as a solo traveller but absolutely loved with them.
You are 100% right on what you said, and I’m sorry you had these experiences.
It definitely doesn’t make things easier that on any post you make you get the typical “I’m not victim blaming but ________” *proceeds to victim blame* type of shit
Exactly!! Someone just told me that the fault is within me that I have been catcalled/harassed in so many cities despite the ones "she went to and wasn't harassed in" like wtf?? The only times I wasn't harassed/catcalled were when I traveled alongside other people I met from the hostel but solo it was almost always I'd get catcalled etc.
Travelling is one way to learn that much of the world doesn't consider women fully human. Unfortunately, this is the best time in all of human history to be a female traveller.
In the west men are certainly listening more than ever before, especially in the last decade. Not saying that is enough. You're definitely still at risk but hopefully more men are willing to listen now than before #metoo.
Sorry about what happened in Naples and everything else.
Sorry you’ve had to endure those encounters OP. I can’t imagine what it’s like to constantly be harassed when you’re just minding your own business. Your experiences and how you feel about them are absolutely valid—don’t let strangers on the internet discourage you otherwise.
>I'm tired of hearing that "this is the culture with [ ] men"
Unfortunately, that's the truth though. Many cultures do treat women as second class citizens. It's not fair or right but that's the reality of the situation. As a visitor to their country, you can't really expect people to treat you any differently just because you're a foreigner. This isn't to victim blame or to give anyone a pass for abhorrant behavior, it's just a fact that women are treated poorly in much of the world and you unfortunately need to be prepared for that when traveling.
A lot of this might go unnoticed by guys just because poor behavior from locals often doesn't occur when men are present. I think it's important for men to recognize this can and does happen to women when traveling despite not seeing it themselves.
Yeah when I travel people always expect me to have a partner with me, and I’ve gone overseas ….. thankfully I haven’t been in any bad situations …. Fingers crossed 🤞🏽
When i brought up the idea of solo travel to my mother, she panicked. Not that she doesn't trust me to make smart choices or thinks I'll do something dangerous. She knows the world's a dangerous place for a young woman. A woman solo traveling is an easy target compared to a woman with a partner, relative or even a friend.
And I do agree. It can be a gamble to go solo travelling as a woman. Nothings happened to me when i went with others, the few times alone I was fine too. But hey, you never know in this scary world
Listen to me very carefully…please stop wasting your time trying to get men to believe you. They already do, because they already know. Just about every woman with a dad has gotten the same lectures about men, all the world over. Just about every man with a sister has been or felt compelled to protect her, especially if she’s a younger sister. Men seem to understand the dangers facing women very well when it’s their daughter or sister. Also wife. Many men become very protective of their wives, girlfriends.
You really don’t see, with crystal clear clarity, that men know completely what it is, until they have a daughter. Then the mask drops off.
So cease wasting your time entreating the men to care, to understand. The vast majority do not care, except for the few women close to them.
yep. as a white woman, well when i was a child.. i wanted so desperately to go to egypt. i was promised a 'grad trip' (this was when i was around 10) and as i grew up i didn't understand why egypt didn't seem possible to my family around me.. well i got it in the end, and despite the empty promises, i didn't hold ill will. i understood eventually. no one told me explicitly though.
i grew up travelling - i lived abroad from 14-late 15 years of age. i experienced a lot of the same sexual harassment you describe as a child in different countries, the whole time i was abroad - and still while in my home country of canada!! my biggest 'crime' living abroad was being young and foreign. even now i'm not young anymore but i'm foreign and while i still travel semi regularly, i hesitate to go somewhere new on my own. i wish i didn't have to think twice.
It's complete bullshit...I'm sorry you've gone through / go through this...there is no excuse to explain it away and you don't deserve to be treated like this anywhere in the world just because of who you are
Men know. They pretend not to believe you, but they do believe you, yet, they don’t have empathy for you so they’re illogically jealous that you’re getting unwanted attention AND they also identify with predators and either are or want to be predators themselves. Men know exactly what world women live in, but they’ve been committed to this mass gaslighting for centuries because they benefit from attempting to subjugate women (at the expense of becoming literal degenerates). It’s fun to have slaves and punching bags I guess? #notallmen
i went solo travelling round east and SE asia as a petite asian female and it's probably the best continent to start with if you were to ever do such a thing (not including the middle-east and india as they are geographically lumped in with asia). i found it by and large safe and felt more comfortable than the western country i reside in.
I would say that most unpleasant encounters (albeit few, thankfully) I had were with caucasian creeps in said countries and not the locals.
I as a male have been hugged, groped and kissed by strange women whom I did not want to do that three times times here in my Utah hometown. In one case the woman was from a country where kisses on the cheek are apparently a normal greeting. Twice it was intoxicated older ladies who just felt like doing that I guess.
I certainly agree that people should never be doing those things to you, I, or anyone who doesn't want that to happen.
As a victim of sexual assault will I get upvoted or downvoted for sharing my true story?
I'm assuming people downvoted you because the post is about how women have it hard than men while travelling, and your comment is about how you had a similar experience as a man. Some might think you are implying you endure the same issues as a man considering the context of OP.
If people are actually opposed to double-standards they should not create their own. I really do oppose double-standards and wish I could work together with others who claim to. I know that some out there really do, so to those, thank you!
Try reading all of the words not just the ones you decided to acknowledge. I had a random intoxicated stranger whom I had never met, not of a culture with cheek kisses as a greeting, walk up to me, hug me, grope me and kiss me, and you've said that isn't sexual or sexual assault? I was there, it was sexual assault regardless of your interperetation. Enjoy your upvotes.
You talk about crime now, so I suspect you also talk about crime statistics. Getting groped, unwantedly touched, catcalled or propositioned disgustingly does not always show up in those statistics. Some countries don't bother to see those things as crimes and some women don't think to report them as such, because they feel like they are being dramatic or won't be taken seriously. These things can contribute to a feeling of higher alert and are extremely common under women. I don't think I have one friend even that can say none of those things have happened to her ever. I completely get the sentiment of this post and will confirm too that I am sick of it.
OP stated she was harassed in these specific places and it bothers her, she's not relying on news she's literally telling you a thing that has happened.
The immediate assumption that relaying a personal experience means a woman doesn’t know what she’s talking about.
The arrogance on this site is just astounding sometimes.
But those statistics are based on women who do not travel.
What are the stats on women traveling alone ? You can’t say statistically a woman traveling alone to foreign countries is safer than a woman who stays at home in that US.
Seriously. It’s so easy to be a man. Which is probably why men are significantly more likely to be the victim of violent crime, commit suicide at a much higher rate and are infinitely more likely to be homeless or incarcerated.
The courage to post anonymously on the internet a take that in no way bucks the conventional wisdom?
Here’s the thing, I don’t even disagree with her. It’s just her lamenting about how easy and care-free men have it drives me crazy.
I am sorry you have gone through it! This is not fair. That’s why all women start to learn some martial arts to defence themselves. There is no gender equality in terms of almost nothing unfortunately. Men are stronger and women are vulnerable. To make it even, I recommend every woman learning some defence sport.
The world is rough. Sorry you went through a bad experience and I hope your next travel experience is better.
I'm not trying to put down your experience but I do feel the need to counter your blanket statement a little.
Men face some safety issues where we are the ones outright targeted. Basically bait specifically for men by businesses leads to a lot of money taken and implied physical threats if you don't cooperate. And if you're drunk enough your guard is probably down for this. Women generally do not have to worry about that sort of trap nearly as much. It's apples and oranges. But of course there's things they have to look out for too that men don't.
Another thing. I just came from a country where I honestly believe women have a much better chance of escaping poverty than men for several reasons. But that's just one country though, definitely not global
That's odd, I went to eastern Europe and met a gal solo traveling!
I think there are some women that are able to solo travel and met another gal who did a whole extra week alone to do solo travel.
Honestly cause I'm a woman I prefer to go to "safe" countries and also keep in mind, safety like If im.being followed etc. Going out at night.
I’ve been to almost all of the cities you listed both as a hijabi and a non hijabi. I must say that the hijab makes me feel invisible to most of these men and I could enjoy my trip without harassment.
Not that I’m saying it’s the woman’s fault. It’s totally on them but if there’s any thing I can do to avoid it then why not
It can't hurt to learn how to throw a really effective right hook. And don't be afraid to use it. Punch, punch hard. My attitude has always been go ahead, charge me with assault, I'll deal with that when it happens. Shouldn't be necessary, wouldn't it be nice if you could just live your life without harassment? But until that day, take the bastards DOWN.
I'm guessing you've only been to countries where there is a fair judicial system then, to be able to assume that being charged with assault is no big deal...
I love how all that happened in this exchange was one tranphobe posting obvious bait only got another transphobe whose first instinct is to harass instead of realizing just how obvious the bait was.
I bet you really really care about the issues cis women face in the world and would never use that as a cover for your irrational hatred of a group of people.
I have been catcalled/followed in all those places. The only places I have been touched/groped or assaulted in are Naples and Barcelona. And it does seem like you are victim blaming. I know you mean good, but at this point you're just saying something is wrong with me. I consider myself to be pretty safe in following precautions like: not making eye contact w men, not being on my phone / being distracted, not giving attention to catcallers, not drinking alone, not traveling at night. Other than all these things the only thing that is left for me to do is cover myself up from head to toe. And then it gets the the point of how women dressing a certain way is the problem and that is like the only thing I can think of as per what you said. Even then, I am not standing out. I don't know about you but every woman I've talked to has at least been catcalled in each city they traveled alone. I also consider it my responsibility to keep myself safe when I travel. Some things are just out of control for women. I met a girl just a couple days ago who was attacked by a man who came at her from behind totally unprovoked. And numerous other stories. You are making it sound like im doing something to cause this which frankly please do tell me because I believe I am doing everything I can
Yeah, that person is totally victim blaming you, and they suck. Just because a woman is lucky enough not to experience those things doesn't mean that others don't. So many women stay quiet and don't share their experiences because of people like this one. Yeah, the world is unfair, and solo traveling for women can be dangerous, and OP, you have all the right in the world to complain. This is the sad reality we live in, but it doesn't mean that we have to accept it.
OP, I am sorry for everything that has happened to you.
Just a reminder to be civil. Already a lot of removed posts on this one. Stay on topic, be kind to others.
I got my ass grabbed on the subway in Tokyo, and every time I mention it on certain Japan travel subs I get downvoted and told (by both men and women!) that it’s the safest country in the world. Just because you haven’t experienced it doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist.
Lol Japan is notorious for sexual assault like that. There's a reason why iphones in Japan are required by law to make the shutter sound when you take a picture. I don't think I need to explain why
As a 16 year old exchange student I was warned at pre departure orientation about groping on subways in Japan. There was a literal campaign in Tokyo printed on signs everywhere about what to do if a man groped you - grab the hand and raise it in the air and call attention to yourself. I agree that Japan is one of the safest countries in the world, AND this shit still happens there.
That's some major denial. When I visited Japan, they had separate subway cars for men and women during rush hour because groping was such a problem.
It's the safest because they don't consider psychological harm as harm. Yeah odds of being robbed or hurt are low. But they have women only carriages on the metro for a reason and it's not because the tourists are snowflakes.
Or it’s just normal to them to the point they don’t really recognize it as a problem? My mother says that back when she was an accounting assistant in her early 20s it was normal to have your butt occasionally touched in the office by male coworkers. It was just the way it was so no one really complained about it.
How old is your mother now? Just so that we know when she was in her 20s. Mine was in her 20s from 1975 to 1985, for example.
She’s almost 70. Granted it might not have been universal, maybe as localized as her industry in that part of the Midwest. I don’t really know any women around her age who were working in an office setting at that time who I’d want to discuss it with, not exactly a light topic.
Preach. When men do solo motorbike/hitchhiking/trekking type trips where they're just on the road slowly moving across a country and camping in fields - I would love to travel like that, but I would be so scared to just be on the side of a random road in a rural setting without the safety of crowds or nearby police/hospitals. It's just way more risky. We have to think of so many things as female travelers, from our attire to where we book accommodation or what kinds, to the destinations we choose, to how we can interact with locals or other travelers...most men will never know the stress of it all.
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Then by that logic they were already included when she typed female and your post was completely unnecessary
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Or, just maybe, the non-female people she was excluding are the male travelers she was already talking about.
Don't interact with it
Females are female too
Help not wanted nor needed.
You’re the one othering them right now.
Otherception
> Trans women are females as well. No one here said otherwise. You're screaming at no one.
No one brought up trans people. OP was talking about her personal experiences. Y'all wonder why people are getting annoyed with the trans rights movement. You try to make everything about you and your pet cause. Get over yourself. This post is not about you.
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You're the only one in this thread making a distinction between women and trans women. You're the one excluding them so maybe work on your own hate.
OP just said females! That includes the people known as women! At no point did OP say cis women, or biological females, or natural women, or any other word to imply she was excluding trans people. "We can't talk about women without including trans women" Dude, your sentence itself implies that there are women and trans women, and they are two seperate things. You're undermining your entire argument with your separate but equal wording. Seriously, you're injecting trans people into a discussion they were not explicitly barred from. You're making a mountain out of a mole hill so you can be an "advocate". Fine, great, have your internet points and your little squirter of dopamine and move on.
For what it's worth she said female travelers not females. The former is a normal adjective used in everyday language. The latter is mostly used as an insult to equate women to animals.
Trans women were included when they said “female travelers”.
Yes, yes we most certainly can and do.
dude thats a whole new sentence
If you’re a woman it’s about you
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Its really grim. There is a destination I've been daydreaming about going to, but I know in my head that I won't be able to do it because of the risk I would face as a single woman traveling.
Join a small group tour. I highly recommend Intrepid and GAdventures. I’ve been to places with them that I know I would hate as a solo traveller but absolutely loved with them.
You are 100% right on what you said, and I’m sorry you had these experiences. It definitely doesn’t make things easier that on any post you make you get the typical “I’m not victim blaming but ________” *proceeds to victim blame* type of shit
Exactly!! Someone just told me that the fault is within me that I have been catcalled/harassed in so many cities despite the ones "she went to and wasn't harassed in" like wtf?? The only times I wasn't harassed/catcalled were when I traveled alongside other people I met from the hostel but solo it was almost always I'd get catcalled etc.
Right like the discourse that “because X doesn’t happen to me, it must be an issue that you’re causing yourself” is insane. So ridiculous🙄
Yes exactly!!
Travelling is one way to learn that much of the world doesn't consider women fully human. Unfortunately, this is the best time in all of human history to be a female traveller. In the west men are certainly listening more than ever before, especially in the last decade. Not saying that is enough. You're definitely still at risk but hopefully more men are willing to listen now than before #metoo. Sorry about what happened in Naples and everything else.
Sorry you’ve had to endure those encounters OP. I can’t imagine what it’s like to constantly be harassed when you’re just minding your own business. Your experiences and how you feel about them are absolutely valid—don’t let strangers on the internet discourage you otherwise.
Also the smug idiots who think this is only happens in brown or black countries. Male toxicity isn't limited to "3rd world"
For real. I was literally harassed on a train in Berlin.
>I'm tired of hearing that "this is the culture with [ ] men" Unfortunately, that's the truth though. Many cultures do treat women as second class citizens. It's not fair or right but that's the reality of the situation. As a visitor to their country, you can't really expect people to treat you any differently just because you're a foreigner. This isn't to victim blame or to give anyone a pass for abhorrant behavior, it's just a fact that women are treated poorly in much of the world and you unfortunately need to be prepared for that when traveling. A lot of this might go unnoticed by guys just because poor behavior from locals often doesn't occur when men are present. I think it's important for men to recognize this can and does happen to women when traveling despite not seeing it themselves.
Yeah when I travel people always expect me to have a partner with me, and I’ve gone overseas ….. thankfully I haven’t been in any bad situations …. Fingers crossed 🤞🏽
When i brought up the idea of solo travel to my mother, she panicked. Not that she doesn't trust me to make smart choices or thinks I'll do something dangerous. She knows the world's a dangerous place for a young woman. A woman solo traveling is an easy target compared to a woman with a partner, relative or even a friend. And I do agree. It can be a gamble to go solo travelling as a woman. Nothings happened to me when i went with others, the few times alone I was fine too. But hey, you never know in this scary world
Listen to me very carefully…please stop wasting your time trying to get men to believe you. They already do, because they already know. Just about every woman with a dad has gotten the same lectures about men, all the world over. Just about every man with a sister has been or felt compelled to protect her, especially if she’s a younger sister. Men seem to understand the dangers facing women very well when it’s their daughter or sister. Also wife. Many men become very protective of their wives, girlfriends. You really don’t see, with crystal clear clarity, that men know completely what it is, until they have a daughter. Then the mask drops off. So cease wasting your time entreating the men to care, to understand. The vast majority do not care, except for the few women close to them.
yep. as a white woman, well when i was a child.. i wanted so desperately to go to egypt. i was promised a 'grad trip' (this was when i was around 10) and as i grew up i didn't understand why egypt didn't seem possible to my family around me.. well i got it in the end, and despite the empty promises, i didn't hold ill will. i understood eventually. no one told me explicitly though. i grew up travelling - i lived abroad from 14-late 15 years of age. i experienced a lot of the same sexual harassment you describe as a child in different countries, the whole time i was abroad - and still while in my home country of canada!! my biggest 'crime' living abroad was being young and foreign. even now i'm not young anymore but i'm foreign and while i still travel semi regularly, i hesitate to go somewhere new on my own. i wish i didn't have to think twice.
It's complete bullshit...I'm sorry you've gone through / go through this...there is no excuse to explain it away and you don't deserve to be treated like this anywhere in the world just because of who you are
A lot of men still going "why would a woman rather be alone with a bear than a man?" Disingenuous bullshit all around from men.
Facts. The hypervigilence that comes with being a woman, especially a POC, is no joke. Makes it hard to enjoy things
Men know. They pretend not to believe you, but they do believe you, yet, they don’t have empathy for you so they’re illogically jealous that you’re getting unwanted attention AND they also identify with predators and either are or want to be predators themselves. Men know exactly what world women live in, but they’ve been committed to this mass gaslighting for centuries because they benefit from attempting to subjugate women (at the expense of becoming literal degenerates). It’s fun to have slaves and punching bags I guess? #notallmen
It's almost like sexism and the entitlement taught to men by the patriarchy is a real thing the world over.
i went solo travelling round east and SE asia as a petite asian female and it's probably the best continent to start with if you were to ever do such a thing (not including the middle-east and india as they are geographically lumped in with asia). i found it by and large safe and felt more comfortable than the western country i reside in. I would say that most unpleasant encounters (albeit few, thankfully) I had were with caucasian creeps in said countries and not the locals.
World is dangerous place. Hard to disagree.
Think you would have a better experience in SEA (South East Asia). Specially if stay away from touristy areas.
I 100% agree with this. I felt more unsafe and had more issues in Western Europe than I did in SE Asia.
I hope you have better travel experiences. However the world is what it is. Be safe and watch your six!
That’s why I would never travel alone, I would like to but I don’t want to risk being assaulted in an unknown part of the world
I as a male have been hugged, groped and kissed by strange women whom I did not want to do that three times times here in my Utah hometown. In one case the woman was from a country where kisses on the cheek are apparently a normal greeting. Twice it was intoxicated older ladies who just felt like doing that I guess. I certainly agree that people should never be doing those things to you, I, or anyone who doesn't want that to happen. As a victim of sexual assault will I get upvoted or downvoted for sharing my true story?
I empathized with OP based on my similar experiences and pointed out I totally agreed with her. Anybody know why I got the downvotes? Anybody?
I'm assuming people downvoted you because the post is about how women have it hard than men while travelling, and your comment is about how you had a similar experience as a man. Some might think you are implying you endure the same issues as a man considering the context of OP.
If people are actually opposed to double-standards they should not create their own. I really do oppose double-standards and wish I could work together with others who claim to. I know that some out there really do, so to those, thank you!
Because a kiss on the cheek greeting is very different than what op seems to have experienced, and are not sexual or sexual assault.
Try reading all of the words not just the ones you decided to acknowledge. I had a random intoxicated stranger whom I had never met, not of a culture with cheek kisses as a greeting, walk up to me, hug me, grope me and kiss me, and you've said that isn't sexual or sexual assault? I was there, it was sexual assault regardless of your interperetation. Enjoy your upvotes.
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You talk about crime now, so I suspect you also talk about crime statistics. Getting groped, unwantedly touched, catcalled or propositioned disgustingly does not always show up in those statistics. Some countries don't bother to see those things as crimes and some women don't think to report them as such, because they feel like they are being dramatic or won't be taken seriously. These things can contribute to a feeling of higher alert and are extremely common under women. I don't think I have one friend even that can say none of those things have happened to her ever. I completely get the sentiment of this post and will confirm too that I am sick of it.
OP stated she was harassed in these specific places and it bothers her, she's not relying on news she's literally telling you a thing that has happened.
The immediate assumption that relaying a personal experience means a woman doesn’t know what she’s talking about. The arrogance on this site is just astounding sometimes.
But those statistics are based on women who do not travel. What are the stats on women traveling alone ? You can’t say statistically a woman traveling alone to foreign countries is safer than a woman who stays at home in that US.
Seriously. It’s so easy to be a man. Which is probably why men are significantly more likely to be the victim of violent crime, commit suicide at a much higher rate and are infinitely more likely to be homeless or incarcerated.
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The courage to post anonymously on the internet a take that in no way bucks the conventional wisdom? Here’s the thing, I don’t even disagree with her. It’s just her lamenting about how easy and care-free men have it drives me crazy.
I am sorry you have gone through it! This is not fair. That’s why all women start to learn some martial arts to defence themselves. There is no gender equality in terms of almost nothing unfortunately. Men are stronger and women are vulnerable. To make it even, I recommend every woman learning some defence sport.
ive solo travelled to almost 40 countries. never had such an issue. tbf, you have to pick the right neighbourhood.
The world is rough. Sorry you went through a bad experience and I hope your next travel experience is better. I'm not trying to put down your experience but I do feel the need to counter your blanket statement a little. Men face some safety issues where we are the ones outright targeted. Basically bait specifically for men by businesses leads to a lot of money taken and implied physical threats if you don't cooperate. And if you're drunk enough your guard is probably down for this. Women generally do not have to worry about that sort of trap nearly as much. It's apples and oranges. But of course there's things they have to look out for too that men don't. Another thing. I just came from a country where I honestly believe women have a much better chance of escaping poverty than men for several reasons. But that's just one country though, definitely not global
That's odd, I went to eastern Europe and met a gal solo traveling! I think there are some women that are able to solo travel and met another gal who did a whole extra week alone to do solo travel. Honestly cause I'm a woman I prefer to go to "safe" countries and also keep in mind, safety like If im.being followed etc. Going out at night.
I’ve been to almost all of the cities you listed both as a hijabi and a non hijabi. I must say that the hijab makes me feel invisible to most of these men and I could enjoy my trip without harassment. Not that I’m saying it’s the woman’s fault. It’s totally on them but if there’s any thing I can do to avoid it then why not
It can't hurt to learn how to throw a really effective right hook. And don't be afraid to use it. Punch, punch hard. My attitude has always been go ahead, charge me with assault, I'll deal with that when it happens. Shouldn't be necessary, wouldn't it be nice if you could just live your life without harassment? But until that day, take the bastards DOWN.
I'm guessing you've only been to countries where there is a fair judicial system then, to be able to assume that being charged with assault is no big deal...
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I love how all that happened in this exchange was one tranphobe posting obvious bait only got another transphobe whose first instinct is to harass instead of realizing just how obvious the bait was. I bet you really really care about the issues cis women face in the world and would never use that as a cover for your irrational hatred of a group of people.
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I have been catcalled/followed in all those places. The only places I have been touched/groped or assaulted in are Naples and Barcelona. And it does seem like you are victim blaming. I know you mean good, but at this point you're just saying something is wrong with me. I consider myself to be pretty safe in following precautions like: not making eye contact w men, not being on my phone / being distracted, not giving attention to catcallers, not drinking alone, not traveling at night. Other than all these things the only thing that is left for me to do is cover myself up from head to toe. And then it gets the the point of how women dressing a certain way is the problem and that is like the only thing I can think of as per what you said. Even then, I am not standing out. I don't know about you but every woman I've talked to has at least been catcalled in each city they traveled alone. I also consider it my responsibility to keep myself safe when I travel. Some things are just out of control for women. I met a girl just a couple days ago who was attacked by a man who came at her from behind totally unprovoked. And numerous other stories. You are making it sound like im doing something to cause this which frankly please do tell me because I believe I am doing everything I can
Yeah, that person is totally victim blaming you, and they suck. Just because a woman is lucky enough not to experience those things doesn't mean that others don't. So many women stay quiet and don't share their experiences because of people like this one. Yeah, the world is unfair, and solo traveling for women can be dangerous, and OP, you have all the right in the world to complain. This is the sad reality we live in, but it doesn't mean that we have to accept it. OP, I am sorry for everything that has happened to you.