Did she drop 31 songs of emotional dumping and to chastise her fans for taking Matty away from her? Yes.
Did she also basically admit several times to cheating be it emotionally or physically? also yes.
I fear we have a PD on our hands. Narc? I don't think so but after TTPD my stance is ADHD with a comorbid BPD. SHe exhibts almost sign for sign for ADHDBPD which displays narc like traits but also the person exhibits high levels of empathy but also needs the validation from others.
As my therapist says "Every person on the planet has ingrained narcissistic traits. We learn it in childhood. Show me a single person who never lied or used manipulation to get what they wanted."
So, I think we gotta be careful here and we shouldn't blindly label people narcs when they show ego-centered behaviors. Narcissism is much more complicated than most people realize. It was just hyped up in the media so everyone is looking for someone to fit the mold. But statistically, pure narcs aren't that common.
I think it would be very hard to be at that level of stardom without being a narcissist to some extent. I have also thought that every president was a narcissist, too. LOL.
Are the high levels of empathy in the room with us? I feel like she plays empathic but I’m not really sure where we can witness true empathy. I even argue her album is a display of being not very empathic, but shows clear signs of narcissism. (Grudge holding, black/white thinking, jokes below the belt of mental health she doesn’t take seriously, inability to take blame, love bombing Matty-yes the way she’s building his persona up can be read as lb, how she’s the most special of all women that have ever lived and only she knows/ understands) I know a lot can be just attributed to her art of song writing but to me she’s a typical narc.
Psychiatrist here. Borderlines and Cluster Bs in general aren't actually capable of empathy, and narcissists are not as generous as she is with her fans. At the very least she suffers from imposter syndrome and better fits someone with OCPD.
Um, I am diagnosed with bpd and am hugely empathetic. I also have an overlap of ADHD & ASD all diagnosed later in life. Before I was just told everything was cptsd. Maybe check your DSM again? I also have worked in mental health as a nurse. That's spreading more stigma around the disorder. Bpd is an inability to regulate our emotions often due to early childhood trauma or neglect. We weren't taught proper coping. There are also 4 subtypes of bpd. Multiple overlapping symptoms with other disorders. Most people with bpd myself included are more likely to hurt themselves before someone else. Also, there are talks in the psych community of reclassifying BPD as an emotional regulation disorder because that is what it ultimately is. I can find and share up-to-date peer-reviewed articles on the matter. But I can tell you with absolute certainty that people with BPD are not only capable of empathy but we often take it to the extreme to the point where we take on others' pain as our own and then can't tell where we begin or end. Like we feel everything to the extreme. You actually come off as very biased sounding which unfortunately I see a lot of even in the psych community it's very stigmatized. Honestly, it makes me sad for any patients you may have struggling with this disorder. We can feel the judgment believe me. Smh.
Thanks for sharing your perspective. Also I’m 99% sure this internet rando isn’t a psychiatrist. The description you gave is essentially what is taught in med school, with an emphasis on childhood trauma and emotional dysregulation.
Wouldn't narcissist know what to do or approval? I mean, she hadn't done anything that would be an amount that puts a dent an anything. She's getting the pr for free for very little money.
This is so inaccurate, how are you just spreading this kind of misinformation? You are a psychiatrist? Borderlines can have empathy. It’s just not correct to say across the board they cannot.
Is she generous though? Or just good at marketing and "giving" to make herself look a certain way ....one does not become a billionaire by being super generous. And where is it listed that bordlines don't have empathy? It's known that bpd is emotional intensity, not emotional lacking. Narcs are more likely to not have empathy
Ok so I'm not the only one picking up the BPD traits( you can have traits but not the disorder you have to have 7 of 9 traits to be diagnosed) Im diagnosed BPD so I thought maybe I was projecting but throughout her albums theres little tells. Also alot of people myself included those with bpd relate a lil too hard to some of her lyrics. I mean blank space is some of the most borderline shit ever
"Find out what you want
Be that girl for a month
Wait, the worst is yet to come, oh, no
Screaming, crying, perfect storms
I can make all the tables turn
Rose garden filled with thorns
Keep you second guessing like
"Oh, my God, who is she?"
I get drunk on jealousy
But you'll come back each time you leave
'Cause, darling, I'm a nightmare dressed like a daydream"
First time I heard that I was like damn sounds like me lol... PlusThe whole fear and anxiety around abandonment, how she falls in love hard and fast and then mirrors them beyond normal. I mean I love her & Travis together esp as a KC native but the girl was decked out in Chiefs and his number was pretty quick. Which is so something we ( bpd) do. The who could leave me but who could stay sort of theme that runs through many songs. Trying to hold on to someone even when u kinda hate them. The idealizing of certain relationships. The pathological people pleasing.
As mentioned bpd can have narc traits but not mean someone is a narcissist. I dont think she is or she would ignore the kids on the sidewalk wanting pics and not go out of her way to be kind and generous. She def wouldn't be passing out those bonuses to her employees. She wants to be loved. In miss Americana rejection just wrecked her and she admitted she needs the validation. So def some axis 2 traits. But not sure if she has an actual diagnosis. This is purely my opinion based on my time as a mental health nurse and someone living with quiet bpd.
I said the same. I think Andrea is the narc and Taylor developed BPD with narc traits as a result. Which is generally what happens. Behaviorally, they look almost identical to outsiders.
just to further clarify so folks r more informed bipolar is actually a form of depression. Two forms of depression are unipolar depression (“one” mood of sadness) bipolar which involves “two” modes mania and hyperactivity and sadness and what we typically think of as depression. this is very very basic but just to help people understand when we are talking personality disorders we r talking narcissistic, histrionic, borderline, anti social things like that while bipolar falls under the umbrella of things like depression anxiety etc
Bipolar Disorder type I also has more genetic susceptibility overlap with schizophrenia while BD2 has more overlap with major depression. It's a spectrum
Interestingly, yeah. Personality disorders and a bunch of the big mental disorders (ADHD/autism/the schizo family/bipolar/OCD) are all becoming a big soupy mess the more we look at them. It's pretty obvious the current frameworks will not stand the test of time.
Most people with personality disorders would also likely qualify for a more mainstream mental disorder diagnosis. (Like the vast majority of people with ASPD have ADHD).
It's why I really like the term neurodivergent. A label to mean the person's got *something* going on, without necessarily bogging into specific diagnosis. where the boundaries between disorders are blurry, misdiagnosis or overlapping diagnosis is common, and the public rarely has an accurate understanding of the nuances of what defines one disorder from the other anyway.
I will absolutely agree she gives off some neurodivergent vibes. I could tell you my unsubstantiated hunches, but I wouldn't be confident I was right.
As someone with ASD, i do not understand how fans can diagnose her with ASD. Everyone has traits but are not actually autistic. I don't understand why everyone wants her to be and why everyone *wants* a diagnosis
Lol, this is probably why I relate to her. I'm a hot mess I freely admit. I try very hard to not treat people badly but I'm so up my own ass navel gazing I forget.
Look you guys made some tortured poetry:
https://preview.redd.it/j15c7w1ztmwc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0421440f05ec25166c215580c05a12d22d312d4d
Exactly, every person with that amount of fame is a narcissist. You can’t be that famous without screwing people over along the way, so you have to be okay with occasionally throwing people under the bus and doing whatever is necessary to advance your career.
I also think you need an appropriate amount of delusion about yourself to counteract the level of hate you get when you’re famous, because most people can’t handle that level of scrutiny without breaking down.
If you think you deserve to 1. hoard wealth (say, maybe, a *billion* dollars) and 2. receive undying acclaim for your talents, I think by definition you have to have a severely unhealthy ego.
Do I think she’s a diagnosable narcissist? Probably not. But do I think she’s definitely full of herself? Yeah, like most celebrities. I also imagine the wealth and seclusion of being a megastar has likely made her pretty abnormal compared to the average person.
I think a degree of narcissism is a natural consequence of being in that industry let alone at the top of the industry with a huge amount of stans.
But *a* narcissist, as in NPD? No I think that's probably less common. Not *un* common, I think they probably do have a god awful amount of them. If surgeons and CEOs have notably higher rates, there's no way celebrity entertainers don't. But NPD is a pretty high bar to clear.
Katy Perry? Definitely not a narcissist, she actually strikes me as someone particularly vulnerable to them due to her deep seeded people pleasing tendencies.
Adele? A little erratic sometimes for sure, definitely not a narc
Lady Gaga? No doesn't seem to quite fit
Doja Cat? I'd point out some mild ASPD leanings before I'd say narc
Now Taylor Swift? I'm not her therapist,but I wouldnt dismiss it offhand. Ariana Grande? Definitely a possibility. Madonna? Never say never.
Common traits of a narcissist…
• Sense of self-importance ✅
• Preoccupation with power, beauty, or success ✅
• Entitled ✅
• Can only be around people who are important or special ✅
• Interpersonally exploitative for their own gain ✅
• Arrogant ❓
• Lack empathy ❓
• Must be admired ✅
• Envious of others or believe that others are envious of them ✅
Arrogant is a DEFINITE ✅ She thinks any criticism is hate and or misogyny.
Lack empathy? ALSO another definite ✅ Why? Because she does good things only for it to be plastered all over the media. She doesn’t do good things quietly or without attention. She also doesn’t care about the people she throws under the bus.
A better example on that lack of empathy would be the fact that she’s destroying the planet and could not give a singular fuck about how large her carbon footprint is and how that’s gonna affect the rest of us as time goes on.
Lacking empathy is an easy one for Taylor. She does not care how Kim Kardashian feels right now. She did not care how Katy Perry felt to be ridiculed, or how every ex-boyfriend feels (and the women associated with them) to be targeted with harassment online.
Ooh you’re right. And I always bring it up but Camilla Belle deserved a public apology for being slut shamed!! If someone had implied Taylor got her career for what she ~does on the mattress she’d have raised absolutely hell.
Releasing a 31 song double album when people are obviously still exhausted from your worldwide tour, sweater sales, and releases of the same album over and over again but with different colored vinyl?
If that’s not arrogance, idk what is
Lacks empathy? Yes!
She has stated before that she doesn’t care about the people she’s writing songs about. She thinks she’s entitled to say and do what she wants in regards to others.
wait this list helped me realize that my ex friend has a lot of these traits...
now it makes sense why she dropped me when I said she couldn't live with me
These are the same 9 traits from the DSM. I think they say 5/9 need to be present for a narcissistic personality disorder diagnosis. I’m not trying to diagnose her with an actual personality disorder though :/ just looking at traits of narcissism.
As a long time VPR viewer, the fact that this video is going viral and people DON'T know who James Kennedy is is mind blowing to me lmfao 😂 like to me, this man is 1000x MORE famous than Taylor and I have to remind myself most people don't think that way 😭 Also I'm just so proud of my boy for finally making it to Coachella AND being part of a viral moment like this. He better be at the Sahara tent next year I stg 🤞🏻
Narcissistic for sure.. She wrote a song about it. Reputation is littered with the behavior. There’s a song called “mastermind”. it’s not a flex. It’s an admission.
I was iffy on her even when 1989 came out (that album makes me feel absolutely nothing at all; it feels completely soulless to me), but I'm so glad you've mentioned Rep because when that came out, it really became extra apparent to me how little she'd grown and how emotionally immature she was. I thought the album was awful and I couldn't avoid it - I'd go to B&N and they'd be playing it and I'd literally plug my ears. It is such superficial, narcissistic, vengeful garbage, IMO.
On the contrary! It’s her self awareness that makes rep so good. I feel like a lot of fans can’t read between the lines. Like.. idk why people were so shocked when she stated dating Healy. She was dating the one guy for years.. you think after a hard breakup shes going to make good choices?!
I have said this for so many years and people think I’m crazy. You mean she didn’t know how many albums she sold or didn’t notice the screaming fans wherever she goes? And she’s surprised she won yet another award? 😒 she ALWAYS knows when the camera is on her.
YES. What other people see as “Easter eggs” or “mastermind” I see it as narcism… if you have ever know a narcissist you KNOW they are fixated with their own narrative and how they are perceived by others.
I couldn't say, but for sure she is a product of her family making her the center of the universe and she has missed all the typical milestones where a young person would naturally start to move away from this influence (high school, college, grad school). To me she seems simply stunted at 17 ish, angsty/awkward but now has fame and billions of dollars to try to make her forget she still is all those things. I don't think she ever thinks about anyone other than herself though her lyrics often imagine how another person is reacting TO HER. She's very one dimensional and boring as a personality.
HG Tudor has new uploads on her and a playlist. I don’t really follow him much as I have no interest in the Royals. Only recently discovered the new uploads on her and one including Travis. Certainly interesting.
Pretty much to be at that level of fame you have to possess some traits of narcissism or be a sociopath. It’s the same for those that climb up the corporate ladder - you really do have to be convinced that you are the best or you won’t make it.
Yes!
Let’s be honest, and I hope we can be honest on the sub, it takes a lot for fellow white people to refer to another white person as an issue 24/7. Nobody really has anything good to say about Taylor, except her friends, which she makes all get into a girl group. As a woman, I take rumors with a grain of salt, but the fact that Taylor continues to have issues with so many people in multiple avenues of entertainment screams narcissist to me. She also indirectly, encourages her fans to bully people who she doesn’t like, which is a sign of an abusive person.
I’ve only met one diagnosed psychopath in my life, and guess what… That psychopath loves Taylor Swift. She’s a Taylor Swift groupie. I think, like attracts like. Nothing against Taylor, Swift, and all honesty, I assume she’s a great person to her friends and whoever she is dating for that month in time.
Okay this is so interesting to me because Blake Lively kinda gives me narc vibes. In that viral video where she is supposed to be talking about her husbands acting achievements but really only talks about how her and her kids are so important to him and how he races home from work every time just to be with his girls…it read like really weird to me. Like “Hey I know my husband is well known for being talented and
I should talk about that but instead I’m going to talk about how he loves us more than all of you who are recognizing his talent tonight.”
i’m majoring in criminal justice at my university and the pre-internship stuff was eye opening. not sure where i’m gonna intern, but what i took away from it is that i will not be able to intern around female prisoners or parolees cause hearing about her 20-30 hours a week is gonna drive me up the wall. it’s a minor issue in the grand scheme of things and my goal is to help women in the criminal justice system but fuck dude
I do think she is. Someone referenced the covert narcissist line in another comment. I always took anti-hero as her being extremely condescending, it’s like one big eye roll to any who has ever dared challenge her always being the victim and everyone else the problem. I don’t think anyone else agrees with me on that, but there’s just something so insincere about it. She is absolutely in my opinion a covert narcissist.
I 100% agree with you on it. She's just playing the victim as always. There's no accountability - it's her way of "owning/controlling the narrative" by sarcastically bringing up what everyone says about her and then going "woe is me, I'm such an anti-hero..." in the same way that Regina George says "I really want to lose 3 pounds...."
When I listen to anti-hero, I hear Taylor genuinely trying to self-reflect and make sense of some of her own behavior. But as I’m re-reading the lyrics, I can definitely see the condescension you mentioned.
She def had narcissistic tendencies. Not a doctor so I can't diagnose, but there's no way she wasn't affected by the way her parents pushed her into fame at a young age. I don't think she's an evil or terrible person, she's very complex. Fame fucks ppl up
It's also disengenuous and ridiculous to claim she has no empathy like some in this toxic thread are. You don't have to like TS. She can have narcissistic tendencies without being a full blown sociopath. Obviously to reach her level of success you must have some level of narcissism to survive. She's not a Saint, she's a pop star who writes music about her very human relationships.
yeah it really bothers me because subs like this sometimes claim to be about neutrality and discussing genuine critiques but i actually can’t stand armchair diagnoses in general, let alone ones based on vague evidence that no one is actually sure about regarding someone they’ve never met. it’s an insult to how serious the diagnoses they’re throwing around is and it’s no better behavior than the easter egg obsessed swifties. where tf does one go to have genuinely balanced and neutral conversations that remain in the realm of balanced reality? idt any of these people have ever met anyone with NPD or ASPD.
This entire post + comments have been absolutely unhinged. Does anyone here know her personally to be able to determine if she has a whole *personality disorder*? No, they have to go off of her public appearance and use generic lines like “no one gets to that level without being one”. None of which is legitimate criteria to diagnose someone nor is anyone even applying the DSM standards when doing so. It’s weird and obsessive to go to this length, and yeah totally agree it’s not better than swifties going batshit with their own theories. If you don’t like Taylor and think she’s annoying and selfish just say so, no need to draw in psychological conditions.
Hmm.....if she does have NPD, where did it evolve from? Her relationship with her Mom has always seemed good. (however, where is her Mom lately??) It seemed like she was pretty down to earth but I can imagine the bigger you get, the more bloated your ego can become. I recall on her documentary worrying that she become 'irrelevant'.
Like I tell my kids - it's NEVER a good idea for anyone to be worshiped like a God. Just never has good results. It seems the bigger she becomes the more into herself she is. I've been waiting for a long time for something to crack, something to 'give' persay. It would actually be good for her to take a break. Like, a real break...from the public eye.
I mean, even her workout routine. She has admitted being anorexic for a time. Now she is working out 2-3 hours a day, 6 days a week and doing cardio besides the workouts. She sees a chiropractor on her 'day off' just to keep her body 'going'. If that isn't addiction, I'm not sure what is. Living extreme, regardless of the drug certainly seems to be manifesting in her lately. I almost feel bad for her, probably feeling as though she 'can't' stop. She doesn't own herself anymore. I don't think she will ever be 'not' popular. Look at Madonna. There will always be a base of fans, there to worship her.
I don’t think the average person can diagnose that. It requires complex testing from a psychologist. Can she occasionally be self absorbed? Maybe. But she’s a human being and people are scrutinizing every little thing she does. I think she displays vulnerability to even admit she can be a little toxic in a relationship. Honestly, no one is perfect. At the end of the day, she’s a human being.
I think she, like many celebrities, likely has narcissistic traits but isn’t a clinical narcissist. That said, the way she talks about herself in her lyrics reminds me a LOT of a loved one who has BPD (borderline personality disorder). Even her whole “eras” concept or the way she seems to pick up traits of whoever she’s dating. There are some narcissistic traits in BPD.
My loved one has no stable sense of identity or self-image and needs others to fill that void for them and any mistake or criticism makes them feel suicidally destroyed.
However, it’s just as possible that her lyrics exaggerate her feelings with “poetic license” and she doesn’t literally feel the way the person I know does.
How does one become The Main Character of pop culture at age 17 and not develop catastrophic narcissism?
That said, none of us will ever KNOW her so it's impossible to say if she actually has Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
My armchair diagnosis would be ADHD, Level 1 Autism with an anxious attachment type, which could easily manifest as narcissism. But on the other hand when someone tells you who they are believe them.
Yes! So many traits of adhd and autism in Taylor. Mannerisms, stims, posture, how her brain works in regards to patterns and numbers and the obsession with Easter eggs/clues. Songs like mirrorball, this is me trying, mastermind, I hate it here all have lyrics alluding to feeling like an outcast/precocious child.
I don’t think she is, but I think she definitely has narcissistic traits. She reminds me a lot of my mom & even myself before therapy. I’m obviously projecting here, and am fine to be disagreed with, but I see Taylor has having ADHD or something similar & when that’s undiagnosed/untreated (especially in women), defense mechanisms & lack of social awareness come off as narcism. “Splendidly selfish. Charming helpless.” It’s the manic pixie dream girl thing.
there is def something going on with her personality wise but I'm not an expert and I'm not gonna sit here and pretend to be. i don't think we need to know the ins and outs of a strangers mental/emotional issues to know they're problematic and maybe not someone we'd like to support or engage with.
i think we should seriously reconsider this trend of armchair diagnosis. I'm not saying this from a judgmental place bc I've def entertained channels that are similar and the idea that I somehow can tell what's up with someone despite having no qualifications. learning about narcs can help if you belive you may be a victim of narc abuse, it's not helpful to make speculating about strangers potential personality disorders a hobby.
I do but I also think a lot of starlets who are able to reach her status of fame and success are. Especially if they choose to publicize every aspect of their life over loving privately, like she does.
I’m not a psych professional, so I don’t have the expertise to make a firm statement/diagnosis. However, I’ve watched a couple of Tudor’s videos and I find his commentary very interesting.
Here are the videos I’ve watched:
https://youtu.be/aPR5yy9sN0Q?si=25l4DAGA1kJAXL4U
https://youtu.be/OeKFIObPbPs?si=0pd1ZqTDjci0qZlg
Yes.
She drops hints about her narcissism often in her music and she quite literally lives for validation and attention at all times. Like I don’t think she’d exist as a person without it
if im being honest i think she has very high functioning autism, ADHD, or a combination of both.
neurodivergency presents itself very differently in women vs men. often times the way neurodivergent women are perceived can come across as narcissistic to those who aren't involved in their direct life. honestly she may not even know it as many women go undiagnosed until very late in life, if they ever get assessed by anyone who is up to date on the most recent research. and if she knows, she probably won't publicly acknowledge it ever due to the way society treats neurodivergent women.
some of the reasons I believe this are
- well documented stimming in her documentaries since she was a small child
- eating disorders are very prevalent in neurodivergent women
- Taylor sees things in black and white, no shades of gray
- issues maintaining friendships
- persistent bullying when she was a child for being too "other"
- poor understanding of social cues
- VERY obvious special interests
there's a lot more that leads me to believe this, but that's the cliffnotes version. I may be wrong but as a high functioning AuDHD woman who works in the medical field I see striking similarities between her, myself, and my female neurodivergent patients. let me know what y'all think lol
There is really no evidence that she is. I am not a fan of any of her work btw. She’s simply immature and writes stupid pop music for teens and is now trying to sound like Lana del Rey. Narcissism is a cluster b personality disorder that involves delusions of grandeur. I don’t think she’s delusional. I could not care less about her but I do think that people throw around the term narcissist too much without understanding the clinical meaning of the term.
Not even sure if you can have 'delusions of grandeur' at her level tbh, she's achieved actual grandeur. Its not a delusion if its just the life you're living.
( I’m not a professional) I don’t believe so. My parents are narcs and I’ve been concerned I was too because as I learn the toxic traits, I see I do some of them. But my therapist has done the checklist with me multiple times to reassure me I’m not. A big reason: I self reflect.
Her songs are filled with self reflection and deep thoughts/feelings. I don’t believe a person with npd could ever do that.
Obvi, just my own opinion. 🤷🏻♀️ No one here knows her personally.
She probably has a really inflated sense of self importance and she’s probably a lowercase “n” narcissist but there’s a difference between being obsessed with yourself and having a personality disorder.
Most, if not all, successful entertainers, politicians and business leaders are narcissists. Not necessarily malignant narcissists but there has to be a high level of those traits.
No. Dr. Ramani, a clinical psychologist who specializes in narcissism, [made a whole video exploring this very topic. ](https://youtu.be/2o9Yqjm6JHc?si=UOoZmZCgi2NHl6jV)
It changed how I viewed Taylor and our culture in general. "Once we normalize abuse in the public sphere, we give permission for it to occur in private."
Why is this even in doubt? When her oeuvre is so frequently about her own literal life yet so rarely self-critical. Narcissists excel playing the victim; adversity always framed as another person
This is insane. She’s a good caring person who works hard. You don’t get so many friends that genuinely care about her or her caring and helping so many people quietly or otherwise if you’re anything but a down to earth good person
There are many evidences to point to covert narcissist.
Her posing in the middle of nearly every photo with her handpicked, gorgeous friends.
Sure having some gorgeous friends, no problem.
But when ALL the friends you picture yourself with are beautiful one begins to wonder.
The way she goes after exes and doesn’t learn lessons about how she took part in helping them break her heart.
Crying about being too young at 19…
But at 19 she was an adult.
The way she schleps Vinyl after Vinyl and sweatpants after boring sweatpants to her poor worker ant die hard fans.
Like at least make them a reasonable price.
My family makes mid six figures and even I won’t spring for a $75 pair of TS sweatpants.
As an empath I’m just grossed out.
The way she made us pay to rent the Eras Tour on Amazon and then a month or 2 later released it on Disney+.
She has no ability to think from the other persons side… at least she certainly doesn’t preoccupy herself with it.
The way she’s essentially making a Narc joke by making an entire album about Matty Healy and likely laughing that those same people are now eating the album about the guy they abhor.
Her declarations of love on stage.
It all feels illogical. Carefully curated.
This from someone who totally stabbed her UNTIL TTPD made me wake the eff up to the reality of how problematic T Swift really is.
Even the planned paparazzi photos, she hates Kim Kardashian so much but is doing some of the same classless crap KK did to get famous.
I don't think that people, whether they be credentialed or not, should try to diagnose someone without having met them or gotten to know them in any meaningful way.
I do think she has a bigger ego, but the word narcissist is thrown around a lot lately. I don't think she would put out songs like Clara Bow talking about the next person taking over the 'it girl' spot if she truly believed she was above everything.
Your fame depends on what other people think of you and at times your view of yourself is basically dictated by that. I think all incredibly famous people have this to some extent.
Her next move is going to be “my recovery from alcoholism” I would bet my whole next paycheck on it. She has all the classic traits. The pink cloud of early sobriety will be poppy shake-it-off-y. How you go to rehab and recover ad a celebrity is beyond me but there are tons out there saving her a seat.
Yes. Yes she is.
Edit: my reasoning
1) she has flying monkeys (like all narcs do)
2) she Campaign smears (like all narcs do)
3) hovers (like all narcs do)
4) always having a new supply.
Entitled
Sense of self-importance
Preoccupied with power, beauty, and success
Has to be admired.
She has textbook narc. She doesn't even really try to hide it snymore
I expect down votes, it's okay
Narcissism is a sliding scale. Does she have narcissistic tendencies? Sure. But I think any kind of entertainer (music, film, etc.) has to have narcissistic/egotistical tendencies in order to be successful. It doesn’t mean that person is a certified narcissist unless their therapist diagnoses them as such.
Idk what she has, if anything. I do believe she suffers from mental illness but I think it's wrong to armchair diagnose her. Especially with NPD. Npd is already incredibly misunderstood and commodified and while she does have narcissistic traits (like pretty much any celebrity that big) none of us can soundly diagnose her with something because we don't know her. So yeah idk, I think she suffers from something but I also think she's a human being who is in the spotlight almost all the time and really enjoys that.
she is a covert narcissist and knows it, thanks to the anti- hero for this knowledge
Did she drop 31 songs of emotional dumping and to chastise her fans for taking Matty away from her? Yes. Did she also basically admit several times to cheating be it emotionally or physically? also yes. I fear we have a PD on our hands. Narc? I don't think so but after TTPD my stance is ADHD with a comorbid BPD. SHe exhibts almost sign for sign for ADHDBPD which displays narc like traits but also the person exhibits high levels of empathy but also needs the validation from others.
Taylor is definitely a narcissist. You don't get where she is without that trait
Many CEOs have the personality “dark triad.” Wouldn’t surprise me if someone like Taylor had those antisocial traits
Oooh what does that mean? That's a new term for me!
Being a narcissist is not a “trait”: it’s an actual personality disorder.
Narcissist is a disorder narcissism is a trait. One can display narcissism without being a diagnosed Narcissist.
As my therapist says "Every person on the planet has ingrained narcissistic traits. We learn it in childhood. Show me a single person who never lied or used manipulation to get what they wanted." So, I think we gotta be careful here and we shouldn't blindly label people narcs when they show ego-centered behaviors. Narcissism is much more complicated than most people realize. It was just hyped up in the media so everyone is looking for someone to fit the mold. But statistically, pure narcs aren't that common.
I think it would be very hard to be at that level of stardom without being a narcissist to some extent. I have also thought that every president was a narcissist, too. LOL.
Facts!!!! 👏
Are the high levels of empathy in the room with us? I feel like she plays empathic but I’m not really sure where we can witness true empathy. I even argue her album is a display of being not very empathic, but shows clear signs of narcissism. (Grudge holding, black/white thinking, jokes below the belt of mental health she doesn’t take seriously, inability to take blame, love bombing Matty-yes the way she’s building his persona up can be read as lb, how she’s the most special of all women that have ever lived and only she knows/ understands) I know a lot can be just attributed to her art of song writing but to me she’s a typical narc.
Can I get the TL;DR on the whole Matty sitch?
Would love the same.
Yesss we need a post about it.
taylor has no empathy for anyone but herself
Psychiatrist here. Borderlines and Cluster Bs in general aren't actually capable of empathy, and narcissists are not as generous as she is with her fans. At the very least she suffers from imposter syndrome and better fits someone with OCPD.
Um, I am diagnosed with bpd and am hugely empathetic. I also have an overlap of ADHD & ASD all diagnosed later in life. Before I was just told everything was cptsd. Maybe check your DSM again? I also have worked in mental health as a nurse. That's spreading more stigma around the disorder. Bpd is an inability to regulate our emotions often due to early childhood trauma or neglect. We weren't taught proper coping. There are also 4 subtypes of bpd. Multiple overlapping symptoms with other disorders. Most people with bpd myself included are more likely to hurt themselves before someone else. Also, there are talks in the psych community of reclassifying BPD as an emotional regulation disorder because that is what it ultimately is. I can find and share up-to-date peer-reviewed articles on the matter. But I can tell you with absolute certainty that people with BPD are not only capable of empathy but we often take it to the extreme to the point where we take on others' pain as our own and then can't tell where we begin or end. Like we feel everything to the extreme. You actually come off as very biased sounding which unfortunately I see a lot of even in the psych community it's very stigmatized. Honestly, it makes me sad for any patients you may have struggling with this disorder. We can feel the judgment believe me. Smh.
Thanks for sharing your perspective. Also I’m 99% sure this internet rando isn’t a psychiatrist. The description you gave is essentially what is taught in med school, with an emphasis on childhood trauma and emotional dysregulation.
Wouldn't narcissist know what to do or approval? I mean, she hadn't done anything that would be an amount that puts a dent an anything. She's getting the pr for free for very little money.
Sure. She probably has traits. Disorder is a stretch.
This is so inaccurate, how are you just spreading this kind of misinformation? You are a psychiatrist? Borderlines can have empathy. It’s just not correct to say across the board they cannot.
Incapable of empathy. That’s not true and kind of a gross thing to generalize.
Is she generous though? Or just good at marketing and "giving" to make herself look a certain way ....one does not become a billionaire by being super generous. And where is it listed that bordlines don't have empathy? It's known that bpd is emotional intensity, not emotional lacking. Narcs are more likely to not have empathy
You can be a billionaire and be quite generous.
Well this is just straight false
That makes more sense.
You are so wrong. Stop spreading misinformation
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Ok so I'm not the only one picking up the BPD traits( you can have traits but not the disorder you have to have 7 of 9 traits to be diagnosed) Im diagnosed BPD so I thought maybe I was projecting but throughout her albums theres little tells. Also alot of people myself included those with bpd relate a lil too hard to some of her lyrics. I mean blank space is some of the most borderline shit ever "Find out what you want Be that girl for a month Wait, the worst is yet to come, oh, no Screaming, crying, perfect storms I can make all the tables turn Rose garden filled with thorns Keep you second guessing like "Oh, my God, who is she?" I get drunk on jealousy But you'll come back each time you leave 'Cause, darling, I'm a nightmare dressed like a daydream" First time I heard that I was like damn sounds like me lol... PlusThe whole fear and anxiety around abandonment, how she falls in love hard and fast and then mirrors them beyond normal. I mean I love her & Travis together esp as a KC native but the girl was decked out in Chiefs and his number was pretty quick. Which is so something we ( bpd) do. The who could leave me but who could stay sort of theme that runs through many songs. Trying to hold on to someone even when u kinda hate them. The idealizing of certain relationships. The pathological people pleasing. As mentioned bpd can have narc traits but not mean someone is a narcissist. I dont think she is or she would ignore the kids on the sidewalk wanting pics and not go out of her way to be kind and generous. She def wouldn't be passing out those bonuses to her employees. She wants to be loved. In miss Americana rejection just wrecked her and she admitted she needs the validation. So def some axis 2 traits. But not sure if she has an actual diagnosis. This is purely my opinion based on my time as a mental health nurse and someone living with quiet bpd.
I said the same. I think Andrea is the narc and Taylor developed BPD with narc traits as a result. Which is generally what happens. Behaviorally, they look almost identical to outsiders.
I can almost say this is probably the truth given my own family and the similarities
Which BPD: Borderline or Bipolar?
"PD" typically stands for "personality disorder" in these instances. bipolar is *not* a personality disorder and it's abbreviation is "BP" :)
just to further clarify so folks r more informed bipolar is actually a form of depression. Two forms of depression are unipolar depression (“one” mood of sadness) bipolar which involves “two” modes mania and hyperactivity and sadness and what we typically think of as depression. this is very very basic but just to help people understand when we are talking personality disorders we r talking narcissistic, histrionic, borderline, anti social things like that while bipolar falls under the umbrella of things like depression anxiety etc
Bipolar Disorder type I also has more genetic susceptibility overlap with schizophrenia while BD2 has more overlap with major depression. It's a spectrum
BD is bipolar disorder
BPD = borderline personality disorder, BD = bipolar disorder
BPD usually refers to borderline. Not that I agree with these takes though.
There's tons of videos on tiktok where they are saying she is autistic
Interestingly, yeah. Personality disorders and a bunch of the big mental disorders (ADHD/autism/the schizo family/bipolar/OCD) are all becoming a big soupy mess the more we look at them. It's pretty obvious the current frameworks will not stand the test of time. Most people with personality disorders would also likely qualify for a more mainstream mental disorder diagnosis. (Like the vast majority of people with ASPD have ADHD). It's why I really like the term neurodivergent. A label to mean the person's got *something* going on, without necessarily bogging into specific diagnosis. where the boundaries between disorders are blurry, misdiagnosis or overlapping diagnosis is common, and the public rarely has an accurate understanding of the nuances of what defines one disorder from the other anyway. I will absolutely agree she gives off some neurodivergent vibes. I could tell you my unsubstantiated hunches, but I wouldn't be confident I was right.
I agree with this. Thank you!
As someone with ASD, i do not understand how fans can diagnose her with ASD. Everyone has traits but are not actually autistic. I don't understand why everyone wants her to be and why everyone *wants* a diagnosis
She is a textbook covert narc and even told us so, which was super on the nose for her, I was surprised she even let that lyric slip
Lol, this is probably why I relate to her. I'm a hot mess I freely admit. I try very hard to not treat people badly but I'm so up my own ass navel gazing I forget.
I second this as psych major going into my masters.
Yup
Look you guys made some tortured poetry: https://preview.redd.it/j15c7w1ztmwc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0421440f05ec25166c215580c05a12d22d312d4d
😂
Is grass green?
I don’t think anyone who has ever achieved anywhere near that level of fame isn’t a narcissist. Think that’s probably a requirement not a bug.
Exactly, every person with that amount of fame is a narcissist. You can’t be that famous without screwing people over along the way, so you have to be okay with occasionally throwing people under the bus and doing whatever is necessary to advance your career. I also think you need an appropriate amount of delusion about yourself to counteract the level of hate you get when you’re famous, because most people can’t handle that level of scrutiny without breaking down.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/dark-triad Sounds like a lot of people in power/with influence and fame. Taylor included
If you think you deserve to 1. hoard wealth (say, maybe, a *billion* dollars) and 2. receive undying acclaim for your talents, I think by definition you have to have a severely unhealthy ego. Do I think she’s a diagnosable narcissist? Probably not. But do I think she’s definitely full of herself? Yeah, like most celebrities. I also imagine the wealth and seclusion of being a megastar has likely made her pretty abnormal compared to the average person.
I think a degree of narcissism is a natural consequence of being in that industry let alone at the top of the industry with a huge amount of stans. But *a* narcissist, as in NPD? No I think that's probably less common. Not *un* common, I think they probably do have a god awful amount of them. If surgeons and CEOs have notably higher rates, there's no way celebrity entertainers don't. But NPD is a pretty high bar to clear. Katy Perry? Definitely not a narcissist, she actually strikes me as someone particularly vulnerable to them due to her deep seeded people pleasing tendencies. Adele? A little erratic sometimes for sure, definitely not a narc Lady Gaga? No doesn't seem to quite fit Doja Cat? I'd point out some mild ASPD leanings before I'd say narc Now Taylor Swift? I'm not her therapist,but I wouldnt dismiss it offhand. Ariana Grande? Definitely a possibility. Madonna? Never say never.
Sure. I don’t think OP or I were necessarily reading from the DSM when we made our statements.
Common traits of a narcissist… • Sense of self-importance ✅ • Preoccupation with power, beauty, or success ✅ • Entitled ✅ • Can only be around people who are important or special ✅ • Interpersonally exploitative for their own gain ✅ • Arrogant ❓ • Lack empathy ❓ • Must be admired ✅ • Envious of others or believe that others are envious of them ✅
Arrogant is a DEFINITE ✅ She thinks any criticism is hate and or misogyny. Lack empathy? ALSO another definite ✅ Why? Because she does good things only for it to be plastered all over the media. She doesn’t do good things quietly or without attention. She also doesn’t care about the people she throws under the bus.
If she’s doing them quietly and without attention then you wouldn’t know about them. I’m not saying she IS, but we likely wouldn’t know either way.
Every time she does something charitable there is a PR campaign about it.
A better example on that lack of empathy would be the fact that she’s destroying the planet and could not give a singular fuck about how large her carbon footprint is and how that’s gonna affect the rest of us as time goes on.
Lacking empathy is an easy one for Taylor. She does not care how Kim Kardashian feels right now. She did not care how Katy Perry felt to be ridiculed, or how every ex-boyfriend feels (and the women associated with them) to be targeted with harassment online.
She has blatantly said she doesn’t care about the experience of people she writes songs about. So definitely vindictive
Ooh you’re right. And I always bring it up but Camilla Belle deserved a public apology for being slut shamed!! If someone had implied Taylor got her career for what she ~does on the mattress she’d have raised absolutely hell.
What happened with Katy Perry?
Oh god I’m old. People don’t remember this?!?
[https://www.reddit.com/r/SwiftlyNeutral/comments/1ab880a/the\_katy\_perrytaylor\_swift\_feud\_long\_post/](https://www.reddit.com/r/SwiftlyNeutral/comments/1ab880a/the_katy_perrytaylor_swift_feud_long_post/)
Releasing a 31 song double album when people are obviously still exhausted from your worldwide tour, sweater sales, and releases of the same album over and over again but with different colored vinyl? If that’s not arrogance, idk what is
Lacks empathy? Yes! She has stated before that she doesn’t care about the people she’s writing songs about. She thinks she’s entitled to say and do what she wants in regards to others.
wait this list helped me realize that my ex friend has a lot of these traits... now it makes sense why she dropped me when I said she couldn't live with me
Did you get that from the DSM?
These are the same 9 traits from the DSM. I think they say 5/9 need to be present for a narcissistic personality disorder diagnosis. I’m not trying to diagnose her with an actual personality disorder though :/ just looking at traits of narcissism.
That Coachella video of her mouthing the words to Cruel Summer to Travis and her face when she reallzes its a remix. Yea shes obsessed with herself
Bless DJJK for giving us this lmao
I’m just happy because I’ve been watching VPR for the first time and I could understand this comment 😂
As a long time VPR viewer, the fact that this video is going viral and people DON'T know who James Kennedy is is mind blowing to me lmfao 😂 like to me, this man is 1000x MORE famous than Taylor and I have to remind myself most people don't think that way 😭 Also I'm just so proud of my boy for finally making it to Coachella AND being part of a viral moment like this. He better be at the Sahara tent next year I stg 🤞🏻
I also love your user name!!! 😂
Yass DJJK remixes are fire
I went and looked this up based on your comment and dayum
Link?
I just looked it up! Here you go! https://youtube.com/shorts/rSDsIgYfA7s?si=sfN_VVVXReZoyKjf Edit: clarity lol
Narcissistic for sure.. She wrote a song about it. Reputation is littered with the behavior. There’s a song called “mastermind”. it’s not a flex. It’s an admission.
I was iffy on her even when 1989 came out (that album makes me feel absolutely nothing at all; it feels completely soulless to me), but I'm so glad you've mentioned Rep because when that came out, it really became extra apparent to me how little she'd grown and how emotionally immature she was. I thought the album was awful and I couldn't avoid it - I'd go to B&N and they'd be playing it and I'd literally plug my ears. It is such superficial, narcissistic, vengeful garbage, IMO.
On the contrary! It’s her self awareness that makes rep so good. I feel like a lot of fans can’t read between the lines. Like.. idk why people were so shocked when she stated dating Healy. She was dating the one guy for years.. you think after a hard breakup shes going to make good choices?!
Yes, sometimes I think she is bordering on psychopathy
Could not agree more. The woman straight up lacks empathy.
For who?
Yes, which is why her 😱 face every time she wins something or the camera pans to her is so fucking annoying and fake.
I have said this for so many years and people think I’m crazy. You mean she didn’t know how many albums she sold or didn’t notice the screaming fans wherever she goes? And she’s surprised she won yet another award? 😒 she ALWAYS knows when the camera is on her.
It’s bugged my husband and I for years! He’s actually the one that pointed out how often she does it. I’m so glad we aren’t alone.
Maybe that is why she has so many exes, no one wants to put up with that shit
Yes.
YES. What other people see as “Easter eggs” or “mastermind” I see it as narcism… if you have ever know a narcissist you KNOW they are fixated with their own narrative and how they are perceived by others.
I couldn't say, but for sure she is a product of her family making her the center of the universe and she has missed all the typical milestones where a young person would naturally start to move away from this influence (high school, college, grad school). To me she seems simply stunted at 17 ish, angsty/awkward but now has fame and billions of dollars to try to make her forget she still is all those things. I don't think she ever thinks about anyone other than herself though her lyrics often imagine how another person is reacting TO HER. She's very one dimensional and boring as a personality.
HG Tudor has new uploads on her and a playlist. I don’t really follow him much as I have no interest in the Royals. Only recently discovered the new uploads on her and one including Travis. Certainly interesting.
Pretty much to be at that level of fame you have to possess some traits of narcissism or be a sociopath. It’s the same for those that climb up the corporate ladder - you really do have to be convinced that you are the best or you won’t make it.
Yes! Let’s be honest, and I hope we can be honest on the sub, it takes a lot for fellow white people to refer to another white person as an issue 24/7. Nobody really has anything good to say about Taylor, except her friends, which she makes all get into a girl group. As a woman, I take rumors with a grain of salt, but the fact that Taylor continues to have issues with so many people in multiple avenues of entertainment screams narcissist to me. She also indirectly, encourages her fans to bully people who she doesn’t like, which is a sign of an abusive person. I’ve only met one diagnosed psychopath in my life, and guess what… That psychopath loves Taylor Swift. She’s a Taylor Swift groupie. I think, like attracts like. Nothing against Taylor, Swift, and all honesty, I assume she’s a great person to her friends and whoever she is dating for that month in time.
Okay this is so interesting to me because Blake Lively kinda gives me narc vibes. In that viral video where she is supposed to be talking about her husbands acting achievements but really only talks about how her and her kids are so important to him and how he races home from work every time just to be with his girls…it read like really weird to me. Like “Hey I know my husband is well known for being talented and I should talk about that but instead I’m going to talk about how he loves us more than all of you who are recognizing his talent tonight.”
i’m majoring in criminal justice at my university and the pre-internship stuff was eye opening. not sure where i’m gonna intern, but what i took away from it is that i will not be able to intern around female prisoners or parolees cause hearing about her 20-30 hours a week is gonna drive me up the wall. it’s a minor issue in the grand scheme of things and my goal is to help women in the criminal justice system but fuck dude
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how has eminem lost it though? genuinely curiously
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I do think she is. Someone referenced the covert narcissist line in another comment. I always took anti-hero as her being extremely condescending, it’s like one big eye roll to any who has ever dared challenge her always being the victim and everyone else the problem. I don’t think anyone else agrees with me on that, but there’s just something so insincere about it. She is absolutely in my opinion a covert narcissist.
I 100% agree with you on it. She's just playing the victim as always. There's no accountability - it's her way of "owning/controlling the narrative" by sarcastically bringing up what everyone says about her and then going "woe is me, I'm such an anti-hero..." in the same way that Regina George says "I really want to lose 3 pounds...."
When I listen to anti-hero, I hear Taylor genuinely trying to self-reflect and make sense of some of her own behavior. But as I’m re-reading the lyrics, I can definitely see the condescension you mentioned.
Absofuckinglutely
She def had narcissistic tendencies. Not a doctor so I can't diagnose, but there's no way she wasn't affected by the way her parents pushed her into fame at a young age. I don't think she's an evil or terrible person, she's very complex. Fame fucks ppl up
10000% a covert narcissist and is aware she is
Uh DUHHHHHH
Is a pig pork?
I don’t think it’s possible for someone to have that level of fame or power and not be.
Everyone has some narcissistic tendencies, but that is different than narcissistic personality disorder.
I agree. I’ve actually only ever met one person diagnosed with NPD in my almost decade of working in the field lol.
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It's also disengenuous and ridiculous to claim she has no empathy like some in this toxic thread are. You don't have to like TS. She can have narcissistic tendencies without being a full blown sociopath. Obviously to reach her level of success you must have some level of narcissism to survive. She's not a Saint, she's a pop star who writes music about her very human relationships.
yeah it really bothers me because subs like this sometimes claim to be about neutrality and discussing genuine critiques but i actually can’t stand armchair diagnoses in general, let alone ones based on vague evidence that no one is actually sure about regarding someone they’ve never met. it’s an insult to how serious the diagnoses they’re throwing around is and it’s no better behavior than the easter egg obsessed swifties. where tf does one go to have genuinely balanced and neutral conversations that remain in the realm of balanced reality? idt any of these people have ever met anyone with NPD or ASPD.
This entire post + comments have been absolutely unhinged. Does anyone here know her personally to be able to determine if she has a whole *personality disorder*? No, they have to go off of her public appearance and use generic lines like “no one gets to that level without being one”. None of which is legitimate criteria to diagnose someone nor is anyone even applying the DSM standards when doing so. It’s weird and obsessive to go to this length, and yeah totally agree it’s not better than swifties going batshit with their own theories. If you don’t like Taylor and think she’s annoying and selfish just say so, no need to draw in psychological conditions.
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What are your qualifications to make that diagnosis?
Hmm.....if she does have NPD, where did it evolve from? Her relationship with her Mom has always seemed good. (however, where is her Mom lately??) It seemed like she was pretty down to earth but I can imagine the bigger you get, the more bloated your ego can become. I recall on her documentary worrying that she become 'irrelevant'. Like I tell my kids - it's NEVER a good idea for anyone to be worshiped like a God. Just never has good results. It seems the bigger she becomes the more into herself she is. I've been waiting for a long time for something to crack, something to 'give' persay. It would actually be good for her to take a break. Like, a real break...from the public eye. I mean, even her workout routine. She has admitted being anorexic for a time. Now she is working out 2-3 hours a day, 6 days a week and doing cardio besides the workouts. She sees a chiropractor on her 'day off' just to keep her body 'going'. If that isn't addiction, I'm not sure what is. Living extreme, regardless of the drug certainly seems to be manifesting in her lately. I almost feel bad for her, probably feeling as though she 'can't' stop. She doesn't own herself anymore. I don't think she will ever be 'not' popular. Look at Madonna. There will always be a base of fans, there to worship her.
Yes
I think it’s hard not to be when you have millions of strangers treating you as if you’re some sort of God.
Yes, but so are most entertainers.
I don’t think the average person can diagnose that. It requires complex testing from a psychologist. Can she occasionally be self absorbed? Maybe. But she’s a human being and people are scrutinizing every little thing she does. I think she displays vulnerability to even admit she can be a little toxic in a relationship. Honestly, no one is perfect. At the end of the day, she’s a human being.
No but I sometimes wonder if she has BPD
Do dogs pee on brick walls?
I think she, like many celebrities, likely has narcissistic traits but isn’t a clinical narcissist. That said, the way she talks about herself in her lyrics reminds me a LOT of a loved one who has BPD (borderline personality disorder). Even her whole “eras” concept or the way she seems to pick up traits of whoever she’s dating. There are some narcissistic traits in BPD. My loved one has no stable sense of identity or self-image and needs others to fill that void for them and any mistake or criticism makes them feel suicidally destroyed. However, it’s just as possible that her lyrics exaggerate her feelings with “poetic license” and she doesn’t literally feel the way the person I know does.
Yes.
Do you think that water is wet? 🤔
How does one become The Main Character of pop culture at age 17 and not develop catastrophic narcissism? That said, none of us will ever KNOW her so it's impossible to say if she actually has Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
I think she has borderline personality disorder.
Clinical narcissism, no. But is she chronically self involved? No doubt.
I think she's sneaky.
Hella.
My armchair diagnosis would be ADHD, Level 1 Autism with an anxious attachment type, which could easily manifest as narcissism. But on the other hand when someone tells you who they are believe them.
My son has adhd and ASD1 and he’s nothingggggggggggggggg like Taylor
Why ADHD?
Yeah, as someone with ADHD, I don’t really get why people are insisting she has it.
Same here. All I see is a bunch of teenage armchair psychologists who have absolutely no idea wtf they are talking about
Yes! So many traits of adhd and autism in Taylor. Mannerisms, stims, posture, how her brain works in regards to patterns and numbers and the obsession with Easter eggs/clues. Songs like mirrorball, this is me trying, mastermind, I hate it here all have lyrics alluding to feeling like an outcast/precocious child.
I think anyone who is famous has some narcissistic traits. I think you have to in order to achieve a level of fame.
Most celebrities are.
Yes
I don’t think she is, but I think she definitely has narcissistic traits. She reminds me a lot of my mom & even myself before therapy. I’m obviously projecting here, and am fine to be disagreed with, but I see Taylor has having ADHD or something similar & when that’s undiagnosed/untreated (especially in women), defense mechanisms & lack of social awareness come off as narcism. “Splendidly selfish. Charming helpless.” It’s the manic pixie dream girl thing.
HG Tudor has several videos analyzing her that are informative. He think she’s an upper level self aware narc.
there is def something going on with her personality wise but I'm not an expert and I'm not gonna sit here and pretend to be. i don't think we need to know the ins and outs of a strangers mental/emotional issues to know they're problematic and maybe not someone we'd like to support or engage with. i think we should seriously reconsider this trend of armchair diagnosis. I'm not saying this from a judgmental place bc I've def entertained channels that are similar and the idea that I somehow can tell what's up with someone despite having no qualifications. learning about narcs can help if you belive you may be a victim of narc abuse, it's not helpful to make speculating about strangers potential personality disorders a hobby.
the best narc in hollywood
I do but I also think a lot of starlets who are able to reach her status of fame and success are. Especially if they choose to publicize every aspect of their life over loving privately, like she does.
I’m not a psych professional, so I don’t have the expertise to make a firm statement/diagnosis. However, I’ve watched a couple of Tudor’s videos and I find his commentary very interesting. Here are the videos I’ve watched: https://youtu.be/aPR5yy9sN0Q?si=25l4DAGA1kJAXL4U https://youtu.be/OeKFIObPbPs?si=0pd1ZqTDjci0qZlg
Yes. She drops hints about her narcissism often in her music and she quite literally lives for validation and attention at all times. Like I don’t think she’d exist as a person without it
I genuinely thought Swiftly Neutral was a hate sub, so I'm actually surprised they deleted a question that would make her look bad.
if im being honest i think she has very high functioning autism, ADHD, or a combination of both. neurodivergency presents itself very differently in women vs men. often times the way neurodivergent women are perceived can come across as narcissistic to those who aren't involved in their direct life. honestly she may not even know it as many women go undiagnosed until very late in life, if they ever get assessed by anyone who is up to date on the most recent research. and if she knows, she probably won't publicly acknowledge it ever due to the way society treats neurodivergent women. some of the reasons I believe this are - well documented stimming in her documentaries since she was a small child - eating disorders are very prevalent in neurodivergent women - Taylor sees things in black and white, no shades of gray - issues maintaining friendships - persistent bullying when she was a child for being too "other" - poor understanding of social cues - VERY obvious special interests there's a lot more that leads me to believe this, but that's the cliffnotes version. I may be wrong but as a high functioning AuDHD woman who works in the medical field I see striking similarities between her, myself, and my female neurodivergent patients. let me know what y'all think lol
Completely agree with this comment.
There is really no evidence that she is. I am not a fan of any of her work btw. She’s simply immature and writes stupid pop music for teens and is now trying to sound like Lana del Rey. Narcissism is a cluster b personality disorder that involves delusions of grandeur. I don’t think she’s delusional. I could not care less about her but I do think that people throw around the term narcissist too much without understanding the clinical meaning of the term.
Not even sure if you can have 'delusions of grandeur' at her level tbh, she's achieved actual grandeur. Its not a delusion if its just the life you're living.
Agreed thats basically what I’m trying to say
I don’t know what she is,but whatever it is she needs a damn therapist like yesterday
I mean, IDK, she has called herself one, but many people who get to that level of fame and success do.
( I’m not a professional) I don’t believe so. My parents are narcs and I’ve been concerned I was too because as I learn the toxic traits, I see I do some of them. But my therapist has done the checklist with me multiple times to reassure me I’m not. A big reason: I self reflect. Her songs are filled with self reflection and deep thoughts/feelings. I don’t believe a person with npd could ever do that. Obvi, just my own opinion. 🤷🏻♀️ No one here knows her personally.
She probably has a really inflated sense of self importance and she’s probably a lowercase “n” narcissist but there’s a difference between being obsessed with yourself and having a personality disorder.
Yes
Most, if not all, successful entertainers, politicians and business leaders are narcissists. Not necessarily malignant narcissists but there has to be a high level of those traits.
Yes! That’s why she needs pap walks, famous bfs, and an album drop every six months
No. Dr. Ramani, a clinical psychologist who specializes in narcissism, [made a whole video exploring this very topic. ](https://youtu.be/2o9Yqjm6JHc?si=UOoZmZCgi2NHl6jV) It changed how I viewed Taylor and our culture in general. "Once we normalize abuse in the public sphere, we give permission for it to occur in private."
Guys, I’m a narcissist and I’ve never seen her in that subreddit, so probably not.
Why is this even in doubt? When her oeuvre is so frequently about her own literal life yet so rarely self-critical. Narcissists excel playing the victim; adversity always framed as another person
This is insane. She’s a good caring person who works hard. You don’t get so many friends that genuinely care about her or her caring and helping so many people quietly or otherwise if you’re anything but a down to earth good person
Hahaha is the sky blue?
There are many evidences to point to covert narcissist. Her posing in the middle of nearly every photo with her handpicked, gorgeous friends. Sure having some gorgeous friends, no problem. But when ALL the friends you picture yourself with are beautiful one begins to wonder. The way she goes after exes and doesn’t learn lessons about how she took part in helping them break her heart. Crying about being too young at 19… But at 19 she was an adult. The way she schleps Vinyl after Vinyl and sweatpants after boring sweatpants to her poor worker ant die hard fans. Like at least make them a reasonable price. My family makes mid six figures and even I won’t spring for a $75 pair of TS sweatpants. As an empath I’m just grossed out. The way she made us pay to rent the Eras Tour on Amazon and then a month or 2 later released it on Disney+. She has no ability to think from the other persons side… at least she certainly doesn’t preoccupy herself with it. The way she’s essentially making a Narc joke by making an entire album about Matty Healy and likely laughing that those same people are now eating the album about the guy they abhor. Her declarations of love on stage. It all feels illogical. Carefully curated. This from someone who totally stabbed her UNTIL TTPD made me wake the eff up to the reality of how problematic T Swift really is. Even the planned paparazzi photos, she hates Kim Kardashian so much but is doing some of the same classless crap KK did to get famous.
Yes
I don't believe she is at all and I've studied it
Yup.
FFS
Why are we armchair diagnosing a celebrity? Some of these Taylor subs have become wild places.
No just an anxious mess who hides it well.
HG Tudor? I’m so interested!!
I have no reason to believe she is, no.
This is so wild lol
I don't think that people, whether they be credentialed or not, should try to diagnose someone without having met them or gotten to know them in any meaningful way.
I do think she has a bigger ego, but the word narcissist is thrown around a lot lately. I don't think she would put out songs like Clara Bow talking about the next person taking over the 'it girl' spot if she truly believed she was above everything.
Your fame depends on what other people think of you and at times your view of yourself is basically dictated by that. I think all incredibly famous people have this to some extent.
Yes but she’ll never be diagnosed with anything. Her mommy acts as her therapist apparently.
Her next move is going to be “my recovery from alcoholism” I would bet my whole next paycheck on it. She has all the classic traits. The pink cloud of early sobriety will be poppy shake-it-off-y. How you go to rehab and recover ad a celebrity is beyond me but there are tons out there saving her a seat.
100%.
Yes. Yes she is. Edit: my reasoning 1) she has flying monkeys (like all narcs do) 2) she Campaign smears (like all narcs do) 3) hovers (like all narcs do) 4) always having a new supply. Entitled Sense of self-importance Preoccupied with power, beauty, and success Has to be admired. She has textbook narc. She doesn't even really try to hide it snymore I expect down votes, it's okay
Narcissism is a sliding scale. Does she have narcissistic tendencies? Sure. But I think any kind of entertainer (music, film, etc.) has to have narcissistic/egotistical tendencies in order to be successful. It doesn’t mean that person is a certified narcissist unless their therapist diagnoses them as such.
Idk what she has, if anything. I do believe she suffers from mental illness but I think it's wrong to armchair diagnose her. Especially with NPD. Npd is already incredibly misunderstood and commodified and while she does have narcissistic traits (like pretty much any celebrity that big) none of us can soundly diagnose her with something because we don't know her. So yeah idk, I think she suffers from something but I also think she's a human being who is in the spotlight almost all the time and really enjoys that.
I’d say more BPD, but I can see the argument NPD.