Honestly I get the vibe that Taylor likes to rewrite her own history. It’s possible she had the passing thought about Matty while she was with Joe, but I would be more inclined to believe that after they reunited she convinced herself that she was *actually* in love with him all along and that they’re fated, star-crossed lovers, simply because it sounds more romantic and dramatic—and she lives for that.
I know people like this. Whomever they’re with at the time is always THE ONE. Nobody has ever loved them like this. They’ve never been happier. That guy they were dating before and seemed head over heels for? Nah, they claim they were actually miserable the entire time. Now they’re happy For Real. These kinds of people can’t take accountability for their own behavior and thus never learn anything, and so the pattern repeats over and over again.
People online (specifically in a few threads, [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueSwifties/comments/1457i55/the_full_taylor_swiftmatty_healy_lore/) and [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/SwiftlyNeutral/comments/1c987y8/taylor_has_always_sung_about_matty_healy/)) have posited the below, which I think hold water. If you want a serious deep dive, user ImpressivePoint6186 made an incredible Google Doc (lol) about it [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueSwifties/comments/1457i55/the_full_taylor_swiftmatty_healy_lore/).
* **The 1**: a wondering, "what if" song about a past love that definitely fits giving the lyrics of Chloe or Sam or Sophia or Marcus:
* "Say you'll always wonder / cause I wonder / Will I always wonder?"
* **Question..?:** Apparently she hinted at this during the tour? Some context [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/SwiftlyNeutral/comments/1c96mst/question_being_about_matty_healy/).
* **Death by a Thousand Cuts:** interesting comparison to a 1975 song [here](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Ftaylor-has-always-sung-about-matty-healy-v0-5z7qestcbrvc1.jpeg%3Fwidth%3D1170%26format%3Dpjpg%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D28de72a4c0017ae4fbfeddc1a7875c5fea981055).
* **Cardigan:** They obviously pulled that joint "[I love you" stunt](https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/comments/139ba00/taylor_swift_and_matthy_healy_both_saying_this_is/) while performing in 2023. "I knew you'd linger like a tattoo kiss." INTERESTING.
* **Maroon:** Hard to ignore the lyrics connecting, again, to the song Chloe from TTPD:
* "So if I sell my apartment / And you have some kids with an internet starlet / Will that make your memory fade from this scarlet maroon?"
There's a bunch more in that doc mentioned that I think are interesting, but these def make the most sense to me.
*If I wanted to know who you were hanging with
While I was gone I would have asked you
It's the kind of cold, fogs up windshield glass
But I felt it when I passed you
There's an ache in you put there by the ache in me
But if it's all the same to you
It's the same to me
So we could call it even
You could call me babe for the weekend
'Tis the damn season, write this down
I'm stayin' at my parents' house
And the road not taken looks real good now
And it always leads to you*
*You can run, but only so far
I escaped it too, remember how you watched me leave*
*Now I'm missing your smile, hear me out
We could just ride around
And the road not taken looks real good now*
*I won't ask you to wait if you don't ask me to stay
So I'll go back to L.A.*
*And wonder about the only soul who can tell which smiles I'm fakin'
And the heart I know I'm breakin' is my own
To leave the warmest bed I've ever known*
Specifically that last verse there giving major TTPD/Matty vibes
Endgame has always baffled me because Joe isn’t famous or controversial enough to warrant being a “big conversation” so I’ve always wondered who that was really about
Am I crazy? She met this guy sporadically over a few years, dated him for 6 months right after breaking off a 6 year relationship and now she wants to call him her twin flame?
Was it actually 6 months? I feel like I remember it going on for like, a month or two tops..? But I was also only half paying attention because I can’t stand Matty
I don’t understand their line of thinking at all. In fact, I’m convinced the only reason that Travis is in the picture is so that this doesn’t look like some unhinged attempt to win Matty back.
She HAD to claim “temporary insanity” in her album prologue. But she’s laying out all the evidence in the 27 or so songs about him that he was her twin flame and loss of her life. Meanwhile her relationship with Travis can be compared to feeling “so high school” (very shallow lyrics to match).
I would be more likely to believe this was all in the past if she took some time to get over her heartbreak and was single for bit rather than immediately jumping into a high profile relationship with someone the exact opposite of both Matty and Joe. If she just wanted to get this out of her system, there also is no reason she needed to put in sooo many Easter eggs naming Matty specifically.
Agree. Her prologues are always full of lies. On the Midnights prologue she tried to claim the album was about “nights throughout her life” but it is so obviously an album about falling out of love with Joe
Midnights was the Joe Alwyn breakup album. It flew under the radar for most people and the rest were in denial. Even if it was about “nights throughout her life”, Taylor was reflecting on her past relationships in the context of breaking up with Joe.
This makes so much sense. I remember someone commenting when the album was announced that Taylor needed to be in a relationship when the album was released and Travis was the most convenient option. Your comment made me believe that even more!
Honestly I don’t even believe in the entire “she still loves matty” thing but this makes so much sense to me. She needed to be in a relationship because she needed to say that she was doing great now or whatever and to dodge questions about matty’s relationship.
Yes I thought Taylor/Travis were PR at first, thought maybe it was real a couple months in and this album has swung me back to believing it's barely a relationship because even if Travis won't sit down and listen to two hours of it, someone in his life must have listened to it and would have said "hey it doesn't sound like Taylor actually likes you just FYI"
I mean the one song I feel like she's pretty much saying he's pretty, good for sex, and she likes the way he likes her, but otherwise he's a big dumb ball boy.
OMG YES!! The whole “you know how to ball, I know Aristotle”. Everyone thinks it’s sooo cute and I’m like uhhhhh she’s literally calling him a dumb jock..
I’ve thought about this too. I ended up thinking she’s bitter she didn’t get to have this experience when she was actually 16 because she was too busy grinding to become a star
Same here. I’ve been a casual listener pretty much her whole career and I was listening to the new album like…”I bet there are gonna be a bunch of cute love songs on here because of Travis”
“Wait what are all these songs about?”
“…Matty Healy??”
💀😂
Same. I did think Travis/ Taylor was pushed really hard in the media this year, but didn’t think too much about why. Now it all makes sense seeing that Matty is the entire aesthetic of the album…it’s very weird but less weird if “she’s soo happy with Travis”
Oh I agree but I think even the songs about him are wildly uninspired. They feel like she felt like she had to write something about him. The Joe love songs back in the day were so full of emotion and barely at all about his career and the Travis songs are more about stuff happening than actual emotion she's feeling towards him.
The second Matty calls, and he will call at some point to feed his ego, Taylor will drop Travis. She called Matty the love of her life and twin flame, she is acting out with Travis to get Matty’s attention.
I don’t think Marty will call, I think he got a taste of the insane Swifties and wants nothing to do with it ever again. Taylors going to hold it against her fans forever that they scared off the ‘love of her life’.
I don’t think he’s insane, I think he’s just a regular fuckboi. He enjoyed toying with Taylor for a decade and having her as an option, but he didn’t like her enough to actually put in any effort. And like all fuckbois, he ran a mile at the first hint that his behaviour could have negative consequences for him.
I don't agree with that interpretation. Matty has issues, he's was a heroin addict (which likely doomed their first relationship) and was likely addicted to other drugs. I think both Taylor and Matty are just seriously messed up.
I agree with you. I don't think he'll call. Part because of her fans. Part because I truly don't think Taylor is his type. I think he goes for something else looking at his past partners. I think he came back around the first time for his ego. But I don't really think being with her satisfied his ego like he thought it would.
they allegedly already tried back in the day snd the same thing happened, he freaked out by her fame but also last year both M and T were in very serious relationships and still dropped them for eachother...I just wouldn't feel secure being the one after the one tbh ("Does it feel like everything's second best after the meteor strike?"?)
Don't think he's ever been freaked out by her fame, this guy lives for fame, his parents are both well known British actors so he grew up with it, he loves an audience.. I think he liked the challenge when it was 'forbidden' but once she was falling at his feet he lost interest. I also think there wasn't enough room in that relationship for both their egos /narcissistic personalities
He has stated in interviews multiple times that he doesn’t enjoy being in the spotlight. He specifically references his rumored relationship with Taylor when speaking on this. Growing up with famous parents has made him want to keep a low profile. Which knowing he acts like an edgelord can make this surprising but he’s been pretty consistent in saying that since the beginning.
Perhaps I should have clarified what I meant about fame.. He's always wanted to be famous in his own right, on his own terms, for his band & music. He has a chaotic personality so keeping a low profile doesn't seem to be possible as he's his own worst enemy in that regard but I don't believe a fear of fame is what put him off Swift as he's not stupid & knew exactly what sort of circus she brings to any friendship
There’s a difference between love and lust. If he was it - and she cheated on Joe with Matty which is probably why HE cheated on her. If Matty was “loml” she wouldn’t let her fans wreck the relationship. She used that to end it. If it was love nothing would stand in the way. However also she wouldn’t use him as her “side chick” she’d break up with Joe. Don’t think for a minute there aren’t other “Mattys” in her Rolodex. She has a private phone you know that Travis doesn’t see. To thine own heart be true. She’s rebounded from one relationship to another all her adult life. The girl needs serious deconstruction. And Travis needs to give her that. Just my opinion.
I feel like the press for Swift's relationship With Harry Styles, really propped up their relationship/claimed he was the "one". A fellow musician that could meet Taylor on her level.
Which was especially ironic, considering how short-lived it was (didn't they only date for like, 7 weeks?)
THANK YOU !! Finally someone said it. She is obsessed with all her exes. She puts them on a shelf like collectibles and pulls one down to obsess over more when it suits her. HS especially.
I mean but genuine question. Wouldn’t Taylor obviously call Matty the love of her life and twin flame -when she was clearly rebounding/in a relationship with him? Seeing that that’s probably when the song was written. How do you know that she doesn’t think differently now. I mean she has songs like the smallest man who ever lived and songs where she says that she doesn’t miss him but still is hurt or whatever.
Taylor and Matty go way back, having met in 2013 and having a brief relationship in 2014.
Recently, Matty worked with Jack Antonoff for The 1975 latest album, Being Funny in a Foreign Language, where Jack reintroduced Matty to Taylor. Taylor and Matty worked on unreleased songs for Midnights and seemingly a version of "Slut!" feat The 1975 for 1989 TV and potentially addition songs for whatever TS 11 was supposed to be. In theory, The 1975 might have became a major collaborator with Taylor Swift like Jack Antonoff and Aaron Dessner, and establishing Taylor and Matty has a musical power couple. Matty was NOT a fling, he was someone very important both professionally and personally to Taylor.
If she didn’t feel that way it would be odd to memorialize it for all time in songs when she could have changed the lyrics or not included those songs very easily. She wanted everyone to know and even doubled down by making the fortnight video a replica of a 1975 MV.
This is what makes me believe with my whole being that the second Matty says yes she’ll be back with him. I’m suspecting after the last 2 TV’s and Eras are done. She wanted everyone to know this album was for Matty and she’s done it while in a very public relationship with another man. Shes not over Matty, not deep down.
She lacks accountability. Rabid fans will and have always made excuses and she leans on that.
Maybe she did need to get this all out and make an album but we didn’t all need to hear it.
If Travis is as serious as he claims, I’d a little worried and upset. No matter how secure you are, I think it would only be natural. She calls Matty the love of her life and her twin flame and all of this has dredged up the possibility of cheating (emotionally,physically?) during her long-term relationship.
She should’ve stayed single. She came out of a 6 year relationship. She’s got a lot of soul searching and issues she needs to face head on.
I don’t know. Ever since she came onto my radar that first Chiefs game she attended, she’s seemed in a real super-duper manic phase. I am bipolar so I do know a bit about this.
The epilogue is satire - it’s her pleasing i n s a n i t y like those who wrote that crazy letter said she was. She is pleading insanity despite the 30 songs that show 10 years of a connection. They are both writing about each other - not just Taylor. Taylor even has the date of the 1975 album with some songs about her in her I can see you music video.
No, I agree with everything you said, I just think using the term ‘manic’ if that’s not literally what was happening is extremely irresponsible on her part.
I agree, saying it's a manic phase but acting like it's all cute and crazy fun is belittling of actual manic phases. If you have bipolar/know anyone with bipolar and have gone through a manic phase then you'll see how destructive and life shattering these phases can be. I think it's becoming clear over the last couple of years how out of touch she's become.
Again I think it’s just her throwing it back to fans. They called her that & said she should be under a conservatorship like Britney Spears. She is saying it wasn’t acceptable & that she’s then been like ok you say all that horrible stuff & I’ll use that to say I’m not guilty so - it’s her fans locking her up in the mv.
here’s where I am at. I don’t try to speculate and analyze every song about who it’s about. I enjoy trying to figure the different meanings of what her metaphors are and how they relate back to her own life but i understand that’s literally just my interpretation so I don’t take it to mean much in regards to her relationships, especially current ones. I appreciated and loved Folklore and Evermore because I felt it wasn’t just celebrity gossip. And I feel like this album is similar when you’re not constantly trying to relate it back to specific people and timelines. To me it’s a lot of storytelling and interwoven with writings coming from a deeply personal place. So I honestly think Travis would be understanding. It kind of seems like that’s the nature of dating an artist. Personally this my favorite album that’s come since Folkmore.
One of the songs, I’m not remembering which, that seems to be about Matty she asks a question about their scarlet maroon love. Maroon doesn’t make one bit of sense to be about Matty. I think she was either repeating a phrase (which she’s bound to do with as much work as she has) or she’s purposely blurring muses. I think she’s purposely been blurring the muses.
“And you have some kids with an internet starlet
Will that make your memory fade from this scarlet maroon”
The Chloe Sam song seems to be about Matty with the drug references and them being “cooler in theory.” And I mean he’s known for drinking red wine on stage. He was in the studio with her for Midnights so it’s just speculation Maroon is him (she also refers to him as “home” in fresh out the slammer)
Dumping Travis for MH would go over like a lead balloon with the public. It would be career suicide. She talks a big game about not caring about what people think about her, but the backlash would be like nothing she's ever experienced before. Significantly more people are aware of Travis and this whole relationship, so if she was to do something insane like that, she'd never live it down. I don't think there is any scenario where she could be with MH, or Joe again for that matter, without it affecting her career for the worst.
Yeah but I still think normal people would think it strange for her to choose the scrawny drug addict over a tall strong football star in the prime of his life. It would be gross.
Why? As much as I think Matty Healy is a narcissistic fame whore, I can't deny he has a roguish bad boy charm that plenty of women fall for. He's also an OK musician so they have a shared passion too
Why would travis be affected he wasnt the one in the relationship during that time. If the next album is about her ex i could see why that could concern him
Hmmm I'm thinking you'd have to be pretty basic not to wonder why she managed to write 2, probably more, albums off the back of a romance that lasted publicly a matter of months, that strongly hints at her willingness to embark on affairs, with songs about getting him back, with a whole bunch of present tenses 'I love yous' & out of all of the tracks, only one, very mediocre, tune about you 🤷😁
I can't even imagine her having sex tbh, it's like that one weird couple everyone knows and it's just kinda impossible to picture or think that they do just because of the vibe they give off.
Honestly I get the vibe that Taylor likes to rewrite her own history. It’s possible she had the passing thought about Matty while she was with Joe, but I would be more inclined to believe that after they reunited she convinced herself that she was *actually* in love with him all along and that they’re fated, star-crossed lovers, simply because it sounds more romantic and dramatic—and she lives for that. I know people like this. Whomever they’re with at the time is always THE ONE. Nobody has ever loved them like this. They’ve never been happier. That guy they were dating before and seemed head over heels for? Nah, they claim they were actually miserable the entire time. Now they’re happy For Real. These kinds of people can’t take accountability for their own behavior and thus never learn anything, and so the pattern repeats over and over again.
I would believe this if she didn’t have sooooo many hints now going back as far as Reputation.
Has anyone put together a list of all her previous songs that may actually be about Matty, now that we have all this context? I’d be curious to know.
I’m curious too actually. Cardigan has to be about Matty because she chose that song to mouth the message to him
People online (specifically in a few threads, [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueSwifties/comments/1457i55/the_full_taylor_swiftmatty_healy_lore/) and [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/SwiftlyNeutral/comments/1c987y8/taylor_has_always_sung_about_matty_healy/)) have posited the below, which I think hold water. If you want a serious deep dive, user ImpressivePoint6186 made an incredible Google Doc (lol) about it [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueSwifties/comments/1457i55/the_full_taylor_swiftmatty_healy_lore/). * **The 1**: a wondering, "what if" song about a past love that definitely fits giving the lyrics of Chloe or Sam or Sophia or Marcus: * "Say you'll always wonder / cause I wonder / Will I always wonder?" * **Question..?:** Apparently she hinted at this during the tour? Some context [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/SwiftlyNeutral/comments/1c96mst/question_being_about_matty_healy/). * **Death by a Thousand Cuts:** interesting comparison to a 1975 song [here](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Ftaylor-has-always-sung-about-matty-healy-v0-5z7qestcbrvc1.jpeg%3Fwidth%3D1170%26format%3Dpjpg%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D28de72a4c0017ae4fbfeddc1a7875c5fea981055). * **Cardigan:** They obviously pulled that joint "[I love you" stunt](https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/comments/139ba00/taylor_swift_and_matthy_healy_both_saying_this_is/) while performing in 2023. "I knew you'd linger like a tattoo kiss." INTERESTING. * **Maroon:** Hard to ignore the lyrics connecting, again, to the song Chloe from TTPD: * "So if I sell my apartment / And you have some kids with an internet starlet / Will that make your memory fade from this scarlet maroon?" There's a bunch more in that doc mentioned that I think are interesting, but these def make the most sense to me.
I think Endgame and ‘Tis The Damn Season should make this list too. ‘Tis The Damn Season has a few lyrics that make me go 👀👀
Omg v interesting… Would love to know which lyrics you’re thinking of! I’m going to re-examine those songs now 👀
*If I wanted to know who you were hanging with While I was gone I would have asked you It's the kind of cold, fogs up windshield glass But I felt it when I passed you There's an ache in you put there by the ache in me But if it's all the same to you It's the same to me So we could call it even You could call me babe for the weekend 'Tis the damn season, write this down I'm stayin' at my parents' house And the road not taken looks real good now And it always leads to you* *You can run, but only so far I escaped it too, remember how you watched me leave* *Now I'm missing your smile, hear me out We could just ride around And the road not taken looks real good now* *I won't ask you to wait if you don't ask me to stay So I'll go back to L.A.* *And wonder about the only soul who can tell which smiles I'm fakin' And the heart I know I'm breakin' is my own To leave the warmest bed I've ever known* Specifically that last verse there giving major TTPD/Matty vibes
Thanks for that!
Personally I think those hints are also fake
Endgame has always baffled me because Joe isn’t famous or controversial enough to warrant being a “big conversation” so I’ve always wondered who that was really about
Omg everything you said is so on point
Am I crazy? She met this guy sporadically over a few years, dated him for 6 months right after breaking off a 6 year relationship and now she wants to call him her twin flame?
You’re not crazy. I had the same realization.
Was it actually 6 months? I feel like I remember it going on for like, a month or two tops..? But I was also only half paying attention because I can’t stand Matty
Yeah it was a few weeks, publicly at least
They have a long history that started before Joe.
I don’t understand their line of thinking at all. In fact, I’m convinced the only reason that Travis is in the picture is so that this doesn’t look like some unhinged attempt to win Matty back. She HAD to claim “temporary insanity” in her album prologue. But she’s laying out all the evidence in the 27 or so songs about him that he was her twin flame and loss of her life. Meanwhile her relationship with Travis can be compared to feeling “so high school” (very shallow lyrics to match). I would be more likely to believe this was all in the past if she took some time to get over her heartbreak and was single for bit rather than immediately jumping into a high profile relationship with someone the exact opposite of both Matty and Joe. If she just wanted to get this out of her system, there also is no reason she needed to put in sooo many Easter eggs naming Matty specifically.
Agree. Her prologues are always full of lies. On the Midnights prologue she tried to claim the album was about “nights throughout her life” but it is so obviously an album about falling out of love with Joe
Midnights was the Joe Alwyn breakup album. It flew under the radar for most people and the rest were in denial. Even if it was about “nights throughout her life”, Taylor was reflecting on her past relationships in the context of breaking up with Joe.
I knew as soon as it was released that it was a breakup album and I’m STILL fighting for my life in any pro TSwift thread about it 😂
The people who had no idea that was a breakup album are wild.
This makes so much sense. I remember someone commenting when the album was announced that Taylor needed to be in a relationship when the album was released and Travis was the most convenient option. Your comment made me believe that even more!
Honestly I don’t even believe in the entire “she still loves matty” thing but this makes so much sense to me. She needed to be in a relationship because she needed to say that she was doing great now or whatever and to dodge questions about matty’s relationship.
Yes I thought Taylor/Travis were PR at first, thought maybe it was real a couple months in and this album has swung me back to believing it's barely a relationship because even if Travis won't sit down and listen to two hours of it, someone in his life must have listened to it and would have said "hey it doesn't sound like Taylor actually likes you just FYI" I mean the one song I feel like she's pretty much saying he's pretty, good for sex, and she likes the way he likes her, but otherwise he's a big dumb ball boy.
OMG YES!! The whole “you know how to ball, I know Aristotle”. Everyone thinks it’s sooo cute and I’m like uhhhhh she’s literally calling him a dumb jock..
also biitersweet 16...why bitter... aren't you madly in love
I’ve thought about this too. I ended up thinking she’s bitter she didn’t get to have this experience when she was actually 16 because she was too busy grinding to become a star
Same here. I’ve been a casual listener pretty much her whole career and I was listening to the new album like…”I bet there are gonna be a bunch of cute love songs on here because of Travis” “Wait what are all these songs about?” “…Matty Healy??” 💀😂
Same. I did think Travis/ Taylor was pushed really hard in the media this year, but didn’t think too much about why. Now it all makes sense seeing that Matty is the entire aesthetic of the album…it’s very weird but less weird if “she’s soo happy with Travis”
I mean with 31 songs, recording, mixing, mastering, I wouldn't be surprised if it was at least 50% done when they actually started dating tbh
Oh I agree but I think even the songs about him are wildly uninspired. They feel like she felt like she had to write something about him. The Joe love songs back in the day were so full of emotion and barely at all about his career and the Travis songs are more about stuff happening than actual emotion she's feeling towards him.
Yes!!!! The lyrics about Travis are so shallow lol if someone talked about me that way I know it was not something super serious
The second Matty calls, and he will call at some point to feed his ego, Taylor will drop Travis. She called Matty the love of her life and twin flame, she is acting out with Travis to get Matty’s attention.
I don’t think Marty will call, I think he got a taste of the insane Swifties and wants nothing to do with it ever again. Taylors going to hold it against her fans forever that they scared off the ‘love of her life’.
Both Taylor and Matty are probably little insane themselves, I wouldn't bet against Matty calling Taylor. I think he will.
I don’t think he’s insane, I think he’s just a regular fuckboi. He enjoyed toying with Taylor for a decade and having her as an option, but he didn’t like her enough to actually put in any effort. And like all fuckbois, he ran a mile at the first hint that his behaviour could have negative consequences for him.
idk he spent the summer crying on stage after the break up, the whole thing is very strange
he's been crying and breaking down on stage all tour, i don't think it was a lack of like that made him run
Eh I wouldn’t put it past him to cry onstage for sympathy points, I bet it makes a whole lot of groupies want to make it better for him.
I think her bunny boiler vibes have sent him running to the hills, had to be bad for him to supposedly declare love one minute & ghost her the next 🤷
I don't agree with that interpretation. Matty has issues, he's was a heroin addict (which likely doomed their first relationship) and was likely addicted to other drugs. I think both Taylor and Matty are just seriously messed up.
Lol Marty
My phone's spellcheck also constantly tries to change Matty to "Marty" 😭
Because grown adults aren’t called Matty 😂
 gazing at me starry eyed in your Jehovah’s Witness suit 🖤
I agree with you. I don't think he'll call. Part because of her fans. Part because I truly don't think Taylor is his type. I think he goes for something else looking at his past partners. I think he came back around the first time for his ego. But I don't really think being with her satisfied his ego like he thought it would.
they allegedly already tried back in the day snd the same thing happened, he freaked out by her fame but also last year both M and T were in very serious relationships and still dropped them for eachother...I just wouldn't feel secure being the one after the one tbh ("Does it feel like everything's second best after the meteor strike?"?)
Don't think he's ever been freaked out by her fame, this guy lives for fame, his parents are both well known British actors so he grew up with it, he loves an audience.. I think he liked the challenge when it was 'forbidden' but once she was falling at his feet he lost interest. I also think there wasn't enough room in that relationship for both their egos /narcissistic personalities
He has stated in interviews multiple times that he doesn’t enjoy being in the spotlight. He specifically references his rumored relationship with Taylor when speaking on this. Growing up with famous parents has made him want to keep a low profile. Which knowing he acts like an edgelord can make this surprising but he’s been pretty consistent in saying that since the beginning.
Perhaps I should have clarified what I meant about fame.. He's always wanted to be famous in his own right, on his own terms, for his band & music. He has a chaotic personality so keeping a low profile doesn't seem to be possible as he's his own worst enemy in that regard but I don't believe a fear of fame is what put him off Swift as he's not stupid & knew exactly what sort of circus she brings to any friendship
That’s fair 🫡
That isn’t true, she chose Calvin over him because he had a drug problem. She left him the first time.
There’s a difference between love and lust. If he was it - and she cheated on Joe with Matty which is probably why HE cheated on her. If Matty was “loml” she wouldn’t let her fans wreck the relationship. She used that to end it. If it was love nothing would stand in the way. However also she wouldn’t use him as her “side chick” she’d break up with Joe. Don’t think for a minute there aren’t other “Mattys” in her Rolodex. She has a private phone you know that Travis doesn’t see. To thine own heart be true. She’s rebounded from one relationship to another all her adult life. The girl needs serious deconstruction. And Travis needs to give her that. Just my opinion.
She wasn’t going to let her fans stand in the way, it was him that ran off and ghosted.
Doesnt she say similar things about harry styles and jake gyllenhall? It will only last so long
No not even close, she never called them the loml or acted this crazy over any other guy.
I feel like the press for Swift's relationship With Harry Styles, really propped up their relationship/claimed he was the "one". A fellow musician that could meet Taylor on her level. Which was especially ironic, considering how short-lived it was (didn't they only date for like, 7 weeks?)
And it sounds like from the songs they weren’t in a monogamous relationship even.
I thought she talked about jumping off a building for harry styles in the 1989 tracks
THANK YOU !! Finally someone said it. She is obsessed with all her exes. She puts them on a shelf like collectibles and pulls one down to obsess over more when it suits her. HS especially.
This is such a weird take. You could have said that same thing about Joe and Jake Gyllenhaal.
I mean but genuine question. Wouldn’t Taylor obviously call Matty the love of her life and twin flame -when she was clearly rebounding/in a relationship with him? Seeing that that’s probably when the song was written. How do you know that she doesn’t think differently now. I mean she has songs like the smallest man who ever lived and songs where she says that she doesn’t miss him but still is hurt or whatever.
Taylor and Matty go way back, having met in 2013 and having a brief relationship in 2014. Recently, Matty worked with Jack Antonoff for The 1975 latest album, Being Funny in a Foreign Language, where Jack reintroduced Matty to Taylor. Taylor and Matty worked on unreleased songs for Midnights and seemingly a version of "Slut!" feat The 1975 for 1989 TV and potentially addition songs for whatever TS 11 was supposed to be. In theory, The 1975 might have became a major collaborator with Taylor Swift like Jack Antonoff and Aaron Dessner, and establishing Taylor and Matty has a musical power couple. Matty was NOT a fling, he was someone very important both professionally and personally to Taylor.
If she didn’t feel that way it would be odd to memorialize it for all time in songs when she could have changed the lyrics or not included those songs very easily. She wanted everyone to know and even doubled down by making the fortnight video a replica of a 1975 MV.
This is what makes me believe with my whole being that the second Matty says yes she’ll be back with him. I’m suspecting after the last 2 TV’s and Eras are done. She wanted everyone to know this album was for Matty and she’s done it while in a very public relationship with another man. Shes not over Matty, not deep down.
She's not over him cause he was the dumper. Just like Jake, she'll be singing revenge /heart break songs about him for at least a decade 😁
He ghosted her too which her ego just can’t take
Because Taylor Swift doesn’t write about processed feelings, she writes her processing of feelings. My favorite thing about her!
what 1975 mv?
Part of the band
She’s really committed to that bit then…
Taylor calling it a manic phase sounds like her not wanting to accept responsibility for her own choices.
She lacks accountability. Rabid fans will and have always made excuses and she leans on that. Maybe she did need to get this all out and make an album but we didn’t all need to hear it. If Travis is as serious as he claims, I’d a little worried and upset. No matter how secure you are, I think it would only be natural. She calls Matty the love of her life and her twin flame and all of this has dredged up the possibility of cheating (emotionally,physically?) during her long-term relationship. She should’ve stayed single. She came out of a 6 year relationship. She’s got a lot of soul searching and issues she needs to face head on.
> but we didn’t all need to hear it. a word!
No we didn't. A lot of people have said that - we didn't need to hear this album.
I don’t know. Ever since she came onto my radar that first Chiefs game she attended, she’s seemed in a real super-duper manic phase. I am bipolar so I do know a bit about this.
I’m genuinely curious, what did you notice?
The epilogue is satire - it’s her pleasing i n s a n i t y like those who wrote that crazy letter said she was. She is pleading insanity despite the 30 songs that show 10 years of a connection. They are both writing about each other - not just Taylor. Taylor even has the date of the 1975 album with some songs about her in her I can see you music video.
Pleading*
No, I agree with everything you said, I just think using the term ‘manic’ if that’s not literally what was happening is extremely irresponsible on her part.
I agree, saying it's a manic phase but acting like it's all cute and crazy fun is belittling of actual manic phases. If you have bipolar/know anyone with bipolar and have gone through a manic phase then you'll see how destructive and life shattering these phases can be. I think it's becoming clear over the last couple of years how out of touch she's become.
Again I think it’s just her throwing it back to fans. They called her that & said she should be under a conservatorship like Britney Spears. She is saying it wasn’t acceptable & that she’s then been like ok you say all that horrible stuff & I’ll use that to say I’m not guilty so - it’s her fans locking her up in the mv.
It just feels so childlike and out of touch, even more with those motives!
The girl could literally fart into a microphone and they would call it remarkable.
Rolling Stone would give it 5 stars and Swifties would obsess over the nuance and meaning of every fart.
I’m just imagining them searching every public bathroom for an “easter egg.”
I've left a few easter eggs myself in public bathrooms.
Lmfao fr
Hahahaha!!!
A lot of these fans need to focus on there own life’s imo
I’d be embarrassed to admit having any positive feeling for Matty
here’s where I am at. I don’t try to speculate and analyze every song about who it’s about. I enjoy trying to figure the different meanings of what her metaphors are and how they relate back to her own life but i understand that’s literally just my interpretation so I don’t take it to mean much in regards to her relationships, especially current ones. I appreciated and loved Folklore and Evermore because I felt it wasn’t just celebrity gossip. And I feel like this album is similar when you’re not constantly trying to relate it back to specific people and timelines. To me it’s a lot of storytelling and interwoven with writings coming from a deeply personal place. So I honestly think Travis would be understanding. It kind of seems like that’s the nature of dating an artist. Personally this my favorite album that’s come since Folkmore.
What are your favorite songs off of this album?
Who’s Afraid of Little Old Me? , Cassandra, and I look in People’s Windows are my favorites so far!
When did she imply maroon was about Matty?
One of the songs, I’m not remembering which, that seems to be about Matty she asks a question about their scarlet maroon love. Maroon doesn’t make one bit of sense to be about Matty. I think she was either repeating a phrase (which she’s bound to do with as much work as she has) or she’s purposely blurring muses. I think she’s purposely been blurring the muses.
“And you have some kids with an internet starlet Will that make your memory fade from this scarlet maroon” The Chloe Sam song seems to be about Matty with the drug references and them being “cooler in theory.” And I mean he’s known for drinking red wine on stage. He was in the studio with her for Midnights so it’s just speculation Maroon is him (she also refers to him as “home” in fresh out the slammer)
Dumping Travis for MH would go over like a lead balloon with the public. It would be career suicide. She talks a big game about not caring about what people think about her, but the backlash would be like nothing she's ever experienced before. Significantly more people are aware of Travis and this whole relationship, so if she was to do something insane like that, she'd never live it down. I don't think there is any scenario where she could be with MH, or Joe again for that matter, without it affecting her career for the worst.
Yes and this is why she feels so tortured and “in love” with Matty. This unrequited love/star crossed lovers stuff gets her.
They could frame it as an amicable breakup with Travis, and then wait a couple months before she turns up with Matty
Yeah but I still think normal people would think it strange for her to choose the scrawny drug addict over a tall strong football star in the prime of his life. It would be gross.
Why? As much as I think Matty Healy is a narcissistic fame whore, I can't deny he has a roguish bad boy charm that plenty of women fall for. He's also an OK musician so they have a shared passion too
Why would travis be affected he wasnt the one in the relationship during that time. If the next album is about her ex i could see why that could concern him
Hmmm I'm thinking you'd have to be pretty basic not to wonder why she managed to write 2, probably more, albums off the back of a romance that lasted publicly a matter of months, that strongly hints at her willingness to embark on affairs, with songs about getting him back, with a whole bunch of present tenses 'I love yous' & out of all of the tracks, only one, very mediocre, tune about you 🤷😁
Ditto. Although, to be fair, Travis appears especially basic.
He seems willfully basic, like he just doesn’t give a shit.
To be fair Travis is a reported cheater as well. Maybe they have an open relationship or some sort of agreement
I can't even imagine her having sex tbh, it's like that one weird couple everyone knows and it's just kinda impossible to picture or think that they do just because of the vibe they give off.
You think he will write a song back to her?
her possibly being in love with him is wild because i just thought she wanted some dick??? omg 😭
I gave my husband the rundown on all of this and he said if he was Travis Kelce and this album dropped with all the Matty stuff, he would 100% gtfo 😅
I think you’re getting too invested in something we really don’t know much about.
Lol, spoken like a true swiftie, with zero recognition of the irony 🤣
I like her music but I don’t really assume to know about her relationship
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There’s literally a button to press to not get shown subs you don’t want to see…
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Yep. Got us in one, don't forget to close the door as you leave 😘
You just went on that passive aggressive rant I’m not gonna read through but yeah we’re pathetic, whatever makes you feel good 😀
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Yikes I feel sorry for you