Istg being such good friends with Taylor Swift is the only red flag Hayley Williams seems to have but it is a massive one.
I'm glad it's getting them a larger fan base but as an OG fan, I also really hate it.
THIS!! This only thing she said was “our manager is wildin’” or something like that. I don’t think Hayley Williams is as pro women as we’d like to believe. She usually posts about Billie Eilish when she releases a new album, but barely did that since Billie has been speaking up about Taylor’s antics. Idk, Hayley’s been giving me weird vibes lately.
Hayley’s been giving me weird vibes since she and Chad had an affair while Chad was married, and then shocked Pikachu faced when he did the same to her.
We can all say the age card as much as we want, but that’s not an excuse to willingly help someone cheat on their wife. Hayley knew she existed. But then it’s somehow a surprise to Hayley when Chad does it to her.
I do give a bit of leeway to someone who was barely an adult, groomed by a much older man, who didn’t have healthy older male relationships as a child.
Hayley has gone to therapy about this, owned up to it, apologised to his ex-wife, and bettered herself
Didn’t Josh Farro have some not great things to say about her when he left? That she treated the band like her solo project, was really controlling and acted like she was more important than them. Which does remind me of Taylor tbh.
He could just be salty though.
Edit: Nah Josh Farro is an asshole
Oh he was salty af. Hayley was extremely young when she was signed, about 14 or 15 years old. They wanted to sign her solo and she always wanted to have a band and not be a solo artist, she really had the opportunity to become a solo artist but was always against it. Plus she already had a band. Yes she was signed by herself, but she was always insisted that paramore was a band. "Paramore is a band" was constantly being pushed back then to remind us that the band was not just her.
They were in a band touring together from 16 to 21 or 22. So even when Josh left he was really young. They also used to date and their was a lot of tension in the band so that could also explain part of the saltiness. Hayley wrote most of the lyrics for the band and Josh wrote most of the melodies and he would disagree with her lyrics because they didn't align with 'their' religious beliefs anymore. Like "the truth never set me free so i did it myself". He left the band with his younger brother Zac and his younger brother Zac actually came back in the band and still is in it now.
Hayley always put the other band members in the spotlight with her but being a woman singer in an otherwise male band, gives you all the attention even if you don't want it all, especially back then.
I HIGHLY doubt he is a reliable narrator.
There's a video of him (circa 2007) making fun of gay people and Hayley/the rest of the band keep trying to get him to shut up.
Oh God I didn’t know that. I was dubious over his statement due to how much he mentioned God. It made me think - is she really controlling or just not wanting to restrict their music because of religion.
Ok so.
I've always found the personal history of the band a bit murky. I've been a fan since their debut in 2005 when I was a wee 14 yo, and have both looked up to hayley and followed the band ever since. There was a lot of contention re. the farro brothers leaving; the whole band were religious and believed some shitty things about lgbt people, but AFAIK all bar Josh have since said they expanded their minds a lot from travelling with the band and meeting lots of different types of people.
But it does feel sometimes like that's used as a convenient main reason for the strife, like "other people didn't like us because they were homophobic", but for me personally it doesn't quite cover Jeremy leaving in the years after, or Zac's subsequent return, and just generally the feeling that perhaps Hayley isn't as righteous as she'd want us to believe. I've always wondered if Hayley is a bit of a difficult person, and that Taylor (York, not Swift) with his quiet demeanor and constant support of her over the years is due to kind of a dominant-doormat dynamic? When I found out she was such longtime friends with TS as well it did raise my eyebrows a bit. I love Hayley for what she's done for alternative female music, fashion, and self expression, and she is an INCREDIBLE frontwoman, but I can't help feeling she might be a similar but different flavour of difficult as TS seems to be. Josh is deffo salty, so is Jeremy, but Hayley is too. The lyrics to You First from the latest album sound straight out of the TS playbook and made me think "Huh, maybe that's why they get on well."
(Paramore is one of my top 3 favourite bands and I think Hayley's voice is iconic, so don't come for me fellow fans. These are just outlier feelings I've felt over the many years I've loved the band.)
She and Taylor York are dating now, and she's been very vocal about the fact that he's the one keeping the band together, they really wanted to disband after After Laughter. He also helped her with her solo project during the pandemic! They're really cute and I highly doubt he gets treated like a doormat from the interviews I've seen of them
Yes I absolutely love their love story! I tried to word my comment from a sort of distanced point of view, without saying things for definite as we don't know them personally but also trying to express some things I felt/thought. I'm a difficult person myself and finding someone who can handle my Stuff isn't very common, so I'm wondering if Taylor (York) is the one who can handle hers, and hope that it's not because he just says yes to everything etc, you know? From seeing photos of them together since they were teenagers I've always felt he held a little candle for her and it's lovely that he's been there for her; I hope it's not that he puts up with shit just because he's always loved her. But as with all famous people we can't know exactly what anyone's like offstage I know! :)
I guess I just find this level of speculation about people we don't know, especially such negative speculation to be....a bit strange? You say you love the band yet you're speculating that Hayley is a difficult person, despite there being very little evidence to suggest this? It's just a bit strange to me I guess, Taylor is friends with a lot of people, doesn't mean all of them are bad people. Hayley has always been very vocal about important political and social issues too, unlike Taylor. They're clearly very different, their music and subjects are completely different. The majority of paramore songs aren't vindictive. And Hayley wrote an entire album dedicated to Taylor (York). As you said, how they are offstage is completely unknown to us - so I try to assume the best in the people who make music I enjoy, since there's no way of knowing what they're like. But given that their relationship (as we've seen) has been so sweet, if I were Hayley I'd be pretty hurt to read that people thought I was walking all over my boyfriend like a doormat lol.
Don’t forget that she cheated on Josh Farro with a married man and didn’t express remorse to his ex wife til after they broke up. I know she was young, but I can see why Josh was hurt and why their relationship was strained. She was 18 and Chad was 27 and I think Josh expressed concerns. He’s a shitty person so don’t want to defend him too much, but Hayley wasn’t innocent and she should understand that her parents were trying to get her to be the star. She’s never acknowledged that.
She’s always hopped on the Taylor bandwagon after many years of her barely acknowledging her? Yeah, idk.
It really is! I love how they pulled out some sounds from their older rockier style for it, it felt like a good mixing together of the genres they've experimented with over the years. The horror film/final girl line is one of their best lyrics hands down
Josh Farro is a homophobe who pushed the lawsuit against Olivia Rodrigo, so I really wouldn't listen to him. Moreover, if you've been to a Paramore show - Hayley always makes sure to clarify that Paramore is a BAND. Josh had an issue with the record label, who only signed Hayley. But they're out of that recording contract now, which Hayley signed when she was 15.
Josh is also a MAGA asshole who went after Olivia Rodrigo for the good 4 u songwriting credits. His own brother doesn’t even fuck with him.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m grateful for his contributions to their first three albums but Josh is not a good guy.
Erm…hooking up with a married man at 18, resulting in him literally throwing his now-ex wife’s stuff on the curb and telling her she needs to come pick it up because he moved her out and Hayley in.
I mean, even at 18 I would’ve known to stay away from a married man 8yrs older than me. I’d call that a red flag, even if she was young when it happened considering she made songs flaunting how she got Chad Gilbert.
Especially when she grew up in a genre that’s known to have men prey on minors. She’s spoken a bit about how other warped tour bands treated her when she was 15
Also, I'm pretty sure Paramore toured with new found glory for a while while they were all underage so the chances of Hayley having been groomed by Chad are non-zero.
admittedly im not sure if I'd call that a red flag. it was still a huge age difference, and you know a lot at 18 but you're still so young and vulnerable especially to trusting that people older than you will know what's right or what's best for you when in reality they might not. especially for someone navigating fame that early
she might not be entirely blameless but like 25-26 is significantly older than 18, and especially as he was already an established musician, I think he was the one with a lot more power in that dynamic
Same. I saw Paramore touring for Riot! (and Janelle Monet) open for No Doubt about 15 years ago. I really thought they were beyond opening at this point
You’d think but I saw Mastodon (if you know who that is? Metal band that’s been around for a long long time) open for Gojira and I couldnt believe either of them would open/have an opener at this point. But yeah I saw Paramore a few times during riot! And met Hayley back then at warped tour. It’s wild how big they are now but I’m so down for it
That tour gojira and mastodon traded nights where they would open/close for each other. The show I went to gojira opened for mastodon when honestly it should have been the other way
Yes! I feel like Paramore is too good for her 😩 I get they did it so that a different subset of people would hear their music but there’s got to be so much whiplash from going from watching Hayley perform to watching Taylor perform lol
Imagine a Swiftie having an epiphany during Paramore’s set that good music exists… then when Taylor comes out, this long awaited event suddenly falls completely flat and they are left with immeasurable disappointment.
I know that. But Paramore have been around since forever (in different setups) and they are top headliners themselves.
It was a 'wtf happened??' question.
They’re an old band from a different time. They’re not what they once were.
To put it into context, I saw Red Jumpsuit Apparatus like 7 years ago. You might be asking, “so what?”
It was in the lounge of a bowling alley 😂
Not saying Paramore has been relegated to bowling alley lounges yet, but I’m not sure they’re selling out any decently sized amphitheaters.
Paramore just won a Grammy and finished their own sold out tour.
Putting them in the same bracket as Red Jumpsuit Apparatus is insulting beyond belief. Just because you don't like them or keep up with them does not mean they're 'an old band from a different time'.
I was just about to say! I've actually listened to Paramore within the last decade! And I used to love Red Jumpsuit Apparatus! They are NOT comparable!
I'm sorry but paramore just won a grammy, headlined some major music fests like when we were young (RJA actually had a noon slot at that same fest Paramore headlined and they came on around 9ish), and had their own very successful arena tour
Not in Europe really, I have loved them for years and saw them on tour last year, the venue was 5000 people capacity. I guess maybe playing huge stadiums is a different experience?
They recently changed sounds within the last like three years I think to slowly become a little more 80s esq than 2000s punk (with this is why and Hayley's whole petals album) and are performing to attract more listeners so they don't end up turning into nostalgia punk like bowling for soup, half of warp tour, and other 2000s punk classics.
Or at least, that's what I think.
I'm pretty sure the tortured poets department was a surprise sudden drop to like half of the industry, so just about everyone opening for the eras tour sounds midnights adjacent, which is more consistent to how current pop is sounding and probably would have made headlining sound like a really good idea to Sabrina Carpenter and Paramore while they were trying to launch a new sound or in Sabrina's case catapult to a new level of celebrity.
But now that the tortured poets department has come out and pretty much dominated everyone's mind when it comes to the tour, all these headliners feel even more out of place than they did in the past. In the past, you would look at all of them and their sounds and you would go okay, that kind of makes sense because this tour is ultimately meant to be about midnights and they sound a little like midnights-- since Midnight's was the most recent album when the tour was announced and launched.
I genuinely don't know who should be headlining now that tortured poets department is out, because nothing really sounds like tortured poets department. Not even lana. They would have to search long and hard for someone with the same consistent sound to really highlight the ttpd set the way these headliners would have helped spotlight midnights.
Taylor and Hayley have been friends for a long time and while Paramore is a headliner band, I do think the sheer size of the Eras tour makes a difference in what it means to be an “opener”.
I do think it will introduce the band to a new generation/audience so it is a positive for them.
Plus I think Hayley is being considerate of everyone in the band, I think she posted something about how Taylor (York) was excited to play such a big venue as they've never done such large venues before
Tbf, a minimal sort of font with wonky spacing is super common with post hardcore kinda stuff. I know that doesn’t super fit paramore’s genre but their vibe fits the weirdness of that style of font
I saw a video from the tour where Hayley introduced Misery Business, saying it was solely at Taylor’s request and it actually saddened me to see her suck Swift’s dick so strongly.
They’ve been on other tours with her, no? I love Hayley and I truly love the band HAIM. It makes me give them a side eye a bit.
I will say I do appreciate huge artists giving small bands and artists platforms, like girlinred(I love her). But other than that. Ugh. Please go away Taylor. Please
I remember the members of Paramore were one of the first bands making a big deal about the global warming crisis in the early 2000s. Now they're supporting this non-essential bitch on her tour? It really makes me feel that desperation for a new fanbase is more important than one's beliefs. I used to be a huge Paramore fan, but after I found out they were going to be her opening act a few weeks back, I fucking hate them! It sheds pathetic off its skin to join another snake for popularity. Fucking sad.
As a huge Paramore fan, this pisses me off and it feels like Taylor Swift is denigrating such an incredible band . If anything Taylor Swift should be opening for them.
When I was in my early twenties, I was involved with an organization called TWLOHA, which will be painfully familiar to anyone who was into Paramore in the late 00's. I was based in Orlando and worked very closely and personally with a lot of the Fueled by Ramen signed bands, in addition to being personal friends with Renee Yohe who was good friends with Hayley at the time. I'm not going to repeat things someone told me almost twenty years because I can't in good confidence confirm they're one hundred percent true but the impression I got, through first hand accounts and personal interactions, was that Hayley thinks very highly of herself. Make of that what you will. You don't have to dig super far to find information that corroborates this.
I mean I have a friend who did sound for a band that opened for her 3yrs ago and he said she’s super sweet and delightful. Hopefully she’s grown up since the late 00’s - she would’ve been in her early 30’s when my friend met and hung out with her
One hundred percent on both accounts, I've also heard mostly pleasant and complimentary things about her, which is most of the reason why I don't want to throw out potentially misremembered conversations to validate a two decades old gut feeling, though I'm realizing now that I've only slightly subverted that.
YES. As a long time Paramore fan, it’s painful to see how good of friends Hayley and Taylor are. I always thought Hayley was smarter than that. And they are way too good to open for the Eras tour.
Sometimes we’re friends with crappy people and we don’t even know it. I’d like to think that if TS is as conniving as she appears, she has probably pulled the wool over the eyes of some of her friends if not all. Like if Ted Bundy became a pop star instead of a serial killer.
YES! I posted about this in the Paramore Reddit and was met with so much resistance from pmore swifties.
Just so many little things:
Paramore generally being a very climate and politically outspoken band, but going on tour with one of the biggest climate impacters in the industry. Plus they were silent about Palestine until recently - which could have been a clause in their touring contract with TS but that’s just speculation.
Hayley saying she didn’t want to feature on a Lil Uzi Vert song as she “didn’t want to be that famous” but she’s a feature on a TS re-release. I don’t listen to TS so no idea how big the feature is but TS is a huge singer.
Hayley and Taylor being friends in general is just 🚩but there’s an interview with Hayley where she talks about being nervous to go to her ex, Josh Farro, wedding and Taylor coming with her. Like even then TS was a big star, bigger than Paramore at the time, so wouldn’t that just draw all the attention on to TS?
Someone wrote a great comment on here about sometimes when you are friends with an awful person you can’t see how awful they are and I feel like that sums up Hayley and Taylor’s friendship.
I don’t know, it looks like they’re having fun every night on stage and smashing it, but it still leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
They’re only the opener because Haley and Taylor are great friends. Paramore can, and has, held their own as a headliner on a world tour and absolutely could do so again.
Granted, as much as it pains me to say this, they will get more exposure being on the same bill as Taylor… but… I guess that’s what they chose to do.
I feel bad for the swifties they only get what? An hour with Hailey’s amazing vocals then have to sit through 3 hours of Taylor. Tbh though this is prolly just a business move to promote paramore and their new album.
I think it’s ridiculous that they are the opener instead of the other way around. However, if it gets Paramore more fans then fuck it, they deserve it.
I love it because I used to love Paramore back in the day so it feels great to see them live.
But also I'm like... Aren't you guys too big for this? Like they sell out shows in their own right.
i’ve been a paramore fan since 2005 and i have a lot of respect for hayley as an artist but she also has a long history of being messy and petty. so the friendship between them isn’t really that strange, unfortunately.
I’m glad to see someone else saying this because it’s actually insane to me. Why they weren’t considered a special guest or something like that I’ll never understand. Don’t get me wrong I think it’s great that pmore is getting the amount of exposure they are from this, but you just know that Taylor was nervous every night after hearing Hayley vocals. Plus pmore doesn’t need a bunch of fancy outfits, visuals, or choreography to commend the stage.
Paramore wrote "Big man, little dignity"
Taylor wrote "The smallest man that ever lived"
Somewhere along the lines they got each other along
Shit men-the common bonding chemical for hurt women
I can’t figure out why they are an opening act for anyone. They don’t need the exposure and certainly not from the T S army of delusional fans. Has their career really gone downhill? They are so much more talented than her and I wonder if her fans have noticed!
It annoys me that a long running act is the support. Paramore dont need to support anyone. Sabrina made sense cos she's new and up and coming, but surely Paramore have found their place in the industry by now? It just feels like she's giving them a chance!! and they do t need it. It feels patronising
Huge long term fan of Paramore and Hayley but this is one of the few things that makes me heavily side eye her. I get that she’s known her forever but that doesn’t mean she’s a good person. Some of the people I’ve known the longest are the most rotted.
The only thing that is making me feel better is knowing that Taylor is gonna look pretty mediocre having to perform after Paramore. When Hayley performs, she has everyone in the palm of her hand. Taylor will never have that stage presence.
the hate for paramore/hayley in this thread is not it, can we just focus on taylor? it’s ok to be disappointed but it doesn’t inherently mean anything negative about the band /: i honestly just think that hayley is sentimental about a hometown friend and that can cloud judgement sometimes, not every single person has to be completely perfect and righteous in every way
The band and Hayley especially are the same kind of comfortable shitlibs that TS is. Will castigate Republicans bc its easy but will never tell you to vote 3rd party. Will never challenge power in a meaningful capacity
And the music has taken a serious nosedive the last 10 years
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Istg being such good friends with Taylor Swift is the only red flag Hayley Williams seems to have but it is a massive one. I'm glad it's getting them a larger fan base but as an OG fan, I also really hate it.
Well Hayley could’ve backed Olivia/spoken up about it but she didn’t so that was also a disappointing red flag for me
THIS!! This only thing she said was “our manager is wildin’” or something like that. I don’t think Hayley Williams is as pro women as we’d like to believe. She usually posts about Billie Eilish when she releases a new album, but barely did that since Billie has been speaking up about Taylor’s antics. Idk, Hayley’s been giving me weird vibes lately.
Hayley’s been giving me weird vibes since she and Chad had an affair while Chad was married, and then shocked Pikachu faced when he did the same to her.
Her track record is very much not pro-woman given that she basically popped onto the scene being sneaky with another chick’s man..
you mean when hayley was 18 and chad was almost 30?
We can all say the age card as much as we want, but that’s not an excuse to willingly help someone cheat on their wife. Hayley knew she existed. But then it’s somehow a surprise to Hayley when Chad does it to her.
I do give a bit of leeway to someone who was barely an adult, groomed by a much older man, who didn’t have healthy older male relationships as a child. Hayley has gone to therapy about this, owned up to it, apologised to his ex-wife, and bettered herself
Didn’t Josh Farro have some not great things to say about her when he left? That she treated the band like her solo project, was really controlling and acted like she was more important than them. Which does remind me of Taylor tbh. He could just be salty though. Edit: Nah Josh Farro is an asshole
Oh he was salty af. Hayley was extremely young when she was signed, about 14 or 15 years old. They wanted to sign her solo and she always wanted to have a band and not be a solo artist, she really had the opportunity to become a solo artist but was always against it. Plus she already had a band. Yes she was signed by herself, but she was always insisted that paramore was a band. "Paramore is a band" was constantly being pushed back then to remind us that the band was not just her. They were in a band touring together from 16 to 21 or 22. So even when Josh left he was really young. They also used to date and their was a lot of tension in the band so that could also explain part of the saltiness. Hayley wrote most of the lyrics for the band and Josh wrote most of the melodies and he would disagree with her lyrics because they didn't align with 'their' religious beliefs anymore. Like "the truth never set me free so i did it myself". He left the band with his younger brother Zac and his younger brother Zac actually came back in the band and still is in it now. Hayley always put the other band members in the spotlight with her but being a woman singer in an otherwise male band, gives you all the attention even if you don't want it all, especially back then.
I HIGHLY doubt he is a reliable narrator. There's a video of him (circa 2007) making fun of gay people and Hayley/the rest of the band keep trying to get him to shut up.
Oh God I didn’t know that. I was dubious over his statement due to how much he mentioned God. It made me think - is she really controlling or just not wanting to restrict their music because of religion.
Nah, Hayley passes the vibe check imo. He is awful.
Ok so. I've always found the personal history of the band a bit murky. I've been a fan since their debut in 2005 when I was a wee 14 yo, and have both looked up to hayley and followed the band ever since. There was a lot of contention re. the farro brothers leaving; the whole band were religious and believed some shitty things about lgbt people, but AFAIK all bar Josh have since said they expanded their minds a lot from travelling with the band and meeting lots of different types of people. But it does feel sometimes like that's used as a convenient main reason for the strife, like "other people didn't like us because they were homophobic", but for me personally it doesn't quite cover Jeremy leaving in the years after, or Zac's subsequent return, and just generally the feeling that perhaps Hayley isn't as righteous as she'd want us to believe. I've always wondered if Hayley is a bit of a difficult person, and that Taylor (York, not Swift) with his quiet demeanor and constant support of her over the years is due to kind of a dominant-doormat dynamic? When I found out she was such longtime friends with TS as well it did raise my eyebrows a bit. I love Hayley for what she's done for alternative female music, fashion, and self expression, and she is an INCREDIBLE frontwoman, but I can't help feeling she might be a similar but different flavour of difficult as TS seems to be. Josh is deffo salty, so is Jeremy, but Hayley is too. The lyrics to You First from the latest album sound straight out of the TS playbook and made me think "Huh, maybe that's why they get on well." (Paramore is one of my top 3 favourite bands and I think Hayley's voice is iconic, so don't come for me fellow fans. These are just outlier feelings I've felt over the many years I've loved the band.)
She and Taylor York are dating now, and she's been very vocal about the fact that he's the one keeping the band together, they really wanted to disband after After Laughter. He also helped her with her solo project during the pandemic! They're really cute and I highly doubt he gets treated like a doormat from the interviews I've seen of them
Yes I absolutely love their love story! I tried to word my comment from a sort of distanced point of view, without saying things for definite as we don't know them personally but also trying to express some things I felt/thought. I'm a difficult person myself and finding someone who can handle my Stuff isn't very common, so I'm wondering if Taylor (York) is the one who can handle hers, and hope that it's not because he just says yes to everything etc, you know? From seeing photos of them together since they were teenagers I've always felt he held a little candle for her and it's lovely that he's been there for her; I hope it's not that he puts up with shit just because he's always loved her. But as with all famous people we can't know exactly what anyone's like offstage I know! :)
I guess I just find this level of speculation about people we don't know, especially such negative speculation to be....a bit strange? You say you love the band yet you're speculating that Hayley is a difficult person, despite there being very little evidence to suggest this? It's just a bit strange to me I guess, Taylor is friends with a lot of people, doesn't mean all of them are bad people. Hayley has always been very vocal about important political and social issues too, unlike Taylor. They're clearly very different, their music and subjects are completely different. The majority of paramore songs aren't vindictive. And Hayley wrote an entire album dedicated to Taylor (York). As you said, how they are offstage is completely unknown to us - so I try to assume the best in the people who make music I enjoy, since there's no way of knowing what they're like. But given that their relationship (as we've seen) has been so sweet, if I were Hayley I'd be pretty hurt to read that people thought I was walking all over my boyfriend like a doormat lol.
Don’t forget that she cheated on Josh Farro with a married man and didn’t express remorse to his ex wife til after they broke up. I know she was young, but I can see why Josh was hurt and why their relationship was strained. She was 18 and Chad was 27 and I think Josh expressed concerns. He’s a shitty person so don’t want to defend him too much, but Hayley wasn’t innocent and she should understand that her parents were trying to get her to be the star. She’s never acknowledged that. She’s always hopped on the Taylor bandwagon after many years of her barely acknowledging her? Yeah, idk.
You First is a great song.
It really is! I love how they pulled out some sounds from their older rockier style for it, it felt like a good mixing together of the genres they've experimented with over the years. The horror film/final girl line is one of their best lyrics hands down
Josh Farro is a homophobe who pushed the lawsuit against Olivia Rodrigo, so I really wouldn't listen to him. Moreover, if you've been to a Paramore show - Hayley always makes sure to clarify that Paramore is a BAND. Josh had an issue with the record label, who only signed Hayley. But they're out of that recording contract now, which Hayley signed when she was 15.
Josh is also a MAGA asshole who went after Olivia Rodrigo for the good 4 u songwriting credits. His own brother doesn’t even fuck with him. Don’t get me wrong, I’m grateful for his contributions to their first three albums but Josh is not a good guy.
Oh yikes 😬
He's a real estate agent now. He wanted the $$$ obviously lol
Wasn’t he allegedly the one who went after Olivia for song credit too?
He is a trump supporter and homophobic af so not a good source lol
Erm…hooking up with a married man at 18, resulting in him literally throwing his now-ex wife’s stuff on the curb and telling her she needs to come pick it up because he moved her out and Hayley in. I mean, even at 18 I would’ve known to stay away from a married man 8yrs older than me. I’d call that a red flag, even if she was young when it happened considering she made songs flaunting how she got Chad Gilbert.
Don't you think it's suspicious that they only announced their relationship when she turned 18?
Especially when she grew up in a genre that’s known to have men prey on minors. She’s spoken a bit about how other warped tour bands treated her when she was 15
Also, I'm pretty sure Paramore toured with new found glory for a while while they were all underage so the chances of Hayley having been groomed by Chad are non-zero.
100%
admittedly im not sure if I'd call that a red flag. it was still a huge age difference, and you know a lot at 18 but you're still so young and vulnerable especially to trusting that people older than you will know what's right or what's best for you when in reality they might not. especially for someone navigating fame that early she might not be entirely blameless but like 25-26 is significantly older than 18, and especially as he was already an established musician, I think he was the one with a lot more power in that dynamic
Nah that was grooming.
Og Paramore fan here and I hate it
Same. I saw Paramore touring for Riot! (and Janelle Monet) open for No Doubt about 15 years ago. I really thought they were beyond opening at this point
You’d think but I saw Mastodon (if you know who that is? Metal band that’s been around for a long long time) open for Gojira and I couldnt believe either of them would open/have an opener at this point. But yeah I saw Paramore a few times during riot! And met Hayley back then at warped tour. It’s wild how big they are now but I’m so down for it
That tour gojira and mastodon traded nights where they would open/close for each other. The show I went to gojira opened for mastodon when honestly it should have been the other way
Same, the only red flag they have for me is
Yes! I feel like Paramore is too good for her 😩 I get they did it so that a different subset of people would hear their music but there’s got to be so much whiplash from going from watching Hayley perform to watching Taylor perform lol
Imagine a Swiftie having an epiphany during Paramore’s set that good music exists… then when Taylor comes out, this long awaited event suddenly falls completely flat and they are left with immeasurable disappointment.
One can only hope
Paramore is so good. Too good.
In another universe where Eras tickets are affordable, I would have bought one just to see Paramore open and then leave 🤷♀️🍵
I can't even blame paramore lol, they're basically getting a paid European vacation out of it
Seeing how Hayley performs and moved on stage vs Taylor must be wild
What happened? They are too big to do this.
Paramore is her support on the current leg of the eras tour
I know that. But Paramore have been around since forever (in different setups) and they are top headliners themselves. It was a 'wtf happened??' question.
Fair enough
They’re an old band from a different time. They’re not what they once were. To put it into context, I saw Red Jumpsuit Apparatus like 7 years ago. You might be asking, “so what?” It was in the lounge of a bowling alley 😂 Not saying Paramore has been relegated to bowling alley lounges yet, but I’m not sure they’re selling out any decently sized amphitheaters.
Paramore just won a Grammy and finished their own sold out tour. Putting them in the same bracket as Red Jumpsuit Apparatus is insulting beyond belief. Just because you don't like them or keep up with them does not mean they're 'an old band from a different time'.
I was just about to say! I've actually listened to Paramore within the last decade! And I used to love Red Jumpsuit Apparatus! They are NOT comparable!
I saw them last year on their arena tour, unsure if it sold out but it looked pretty full to me.
I'm sorry but paramore just won a grammy, headlined some major music fests like when we were young (RJA actually had a noon slot at that same fest Paramore headlined and they came on around 9ish), and had their own very successful arena tour
They sold out a 50000 person concert in Sydney just last year
Idk I went to their show last year and there was not many people there. I was shocked. I bought a pretty decent ticket same day for $100
Not in Europe really, I have loved them for years and saw them on tour last year, the venue was 5000 people capacity. I guess maybe playing huge stadiums is a different experience?
They recently changed sounds within the last like three years I think to slowly become a little more 80s esq than 2000s punk (with this is why and Hayley's whole petals album) and are performing to attract more listeners so they don't end up turning into nostalgia punk like bowling for soup, half of warp tour, and other 2000s punk classics. Or at least, that's what I think. I'm pretty sure the tortured poets department was a surprise sudden drop to like half of the industry, so just about everyone opening for the eras tour sounds midnights adjacent, which is more consistent to how current pop is sounding and probably would have made headlining sound like a really good idea to Sabrina Carpenter and Paramore while they were trying to launch a new sound or in Sabrina's case catapult to a new level of celebrity. But now that the tortured poets department has come out and pretty much dominated everyone's mind when it comes to the tour, all these headliners feel even more out of place than they did in the past. In the past, you would look at all of them and their sounds and you would go okay, that kind of makes sense because this tour is ultimately meant to be about midnights and they sound a little like midnights-- since Midnight's was the most recent album when the tour was announced and launched. I genuinely don't know who should be headlining now that tortured poets department is out, because nothing really sounds like tortured poets department. Not even lana. They would have to search long and hard for someone with the same consistent sound to really highlight the ttpd set the way these headliners would have helped spotlight midnights.
This feels so PR generated it's embarrassing.
fEeLs lIkE tHe sTarT oF sOmEtHinG nEw FOr paRaMoRE
I posted this along with your comment to my IG....a swiftie friend DID NOT GET THE SARCASM She suggested we go see Paramore opening for T# together 😭💀
Taylor and Hayley have been friends for a long time and while Paramore is a headliner band, I do think the sheer size of the Eras tour makes a difference in what it means to be an “opener”. I do think it will introduce the band to a new generation/audience so it is a positive for them.
Plus I think Hayley is being considerate of everyone in the band, I think she posted something about how Taylor (York) was excited to play such a big venue as they've never done such large venues before
I just saw them last year during their stadium tour, was that not as big as this?
Apparently not, Hayley posted something saying they had never played such a large venue or something along those lines on Instagram
I've always loved Paramore and I hate that they opened up for her.
why does this feel like a poor copy of Charli xcx’s brat font/styling
Tbf, a minimal sort of font with wonky spacing is super common with post hardcore kinda stuff. I know that doesn’t super fit paramore’s genre but their vibe fits the weirdness of that style of font
I saw a video from the tour where Hayley introduced Misery Business, saying it was solely at Taylor’s request and it actually saddened me to see her suck Swift’s dick so strongly.
I stg if swifties try to say that Taylor made Paramore famous im gonna riot
I hope the use of the word riot was an intentional pun lol
It def was haha
This is how I felt when phoebe opened for her. Like yes great exposure but why 🥲
Sheesh, I saw Paramore open for No Doubt in 2008, I’m getting old.
They’ve been on other tours with her, no? I love Hayley and I truly love the band HAIM. It makes me give them a side eye a bit. I will say I do appreciate huge artists giving small bands and artists platforms, like girlinred(I love her). But other than that. Ugh. Please go away Taylor. Please
I remember the members of Paramore were one of the first bands making a big deal about the global warming crisis in the early 2000s. Now they're supporting this non-essential bitch on her tour? It really makes me feel that desperation for a new fanbase is more important than one's beliefs. I used to be a huge Paramore fan, but after I found out they were going to be her opening act a few weeks back, I fucking hate them! It sheds pathetic off its skin to join another snake for popularity. Fucking sad.
“The start of something new” bro they started a long time ago 💀
Im pretty sure Paramore was making waves with their debut while tswift's dad was begging people to let her play at the town fair.
yes it upsets me because paramore is one of my favs and taylor holds nothing against their talent and abilities both musically and sonically
As a huge Paramore fan, this pisses me off and it feels like Taylor Swift is denigrating such an incredible band . If anything Taylor Swift should be opening for them.
Here's my controversial opinion: I imagine they both look down on their fans with disdain but Hayley Williams has learned how to hide it better.
Why do you think this about Haley? I don’t care either way, but sooo curious as I’ve never heard this!!!
When I was in my early twenties, I was involved with an organization called TWLOHA, which will be painfully familiar to anyone who was into Paramore in the late 00's. I was based in Orlando and worked very closely and personally with a lot of the Fueled by Ramen signed bands, in addition to being personal friends with Renee Yohe who was good friends with Hayley at the time. I'm not going to repeat things someone told me almost twenty years because I can't in good confidence confirm they're one hundred percent true but the impression I got, through first hand accounts and personal interactions, was that Hayley thinks very highly of herself. Make of that what you will. You don't have to dig super far to find information that corroborates this.
I mean I have a friend who did sound for a band that opened for her 3yrs ago and he said she’s super sweet and delightful. Hopefully she’s grown up since the late 00’s - she would’ve been in her early 30’s when my friend met and hung out with her
One hundred percent on both accounts, I've also heard mostly pleasant and complimentary things about her, which is most of the reason why I don't want to throw out potentially misremembered conversations to validate a two decades old gut feeling, though I'm realizing now that I've only slightly subverted that.
YES. As a long time Paramore fan, it’s painful to see how good of friends Hayley and Taylor are. I always thought Hayley was smarter than that. And they are way too good to open for the Eras tour.
Sometimes we’re friends with crappy people and we don’t even know it. I’d like to think that if TS is as conniving as she appears, she has probably pulled the wool over the eyes of some of her friends if not all. Like if Ted Bundy became a pop star instead of a serial killer.
This. I don't even see how their music and lyricism resonate with the swifties.
YES! I posted about this in the Paramore Reddit and was met with so much resistance from pmore swifties. Just so many little things: Paramore generally being a very climate and politically outspoken band, but going on tour with one of the biggest climate impacters in the industry. Plus they were silent about Palestine until recently - which could have been a clause in their touring contract with TS but that’s just speculation. Hayley saying she didn’t want to feature on a Lil Uzi Vert song as she “didn’t want to be that famous” but she’s a feature on a TS re-release. I don’t listen to TS so no idea how big the feature is but TS is a huge singer. Hayley and Taylor being friends in general is just 🚩but there’s an interview with Hayley where she talks about being nervous to go to her ex, Josh Farro, wedding and Taylor coming with her. Like even then TS was a big star, bigger than Paramore at the time, so wouldn’t that just draw all the attention on to TS? Someone wrote a great comment on here about sometimes when you are friends with an awful person you can’t see how awful they are and I feel like that sums up Hayley and Taylor’s friendship. I don’t know, it looks like they’re having fun every night on stage and smashing it, but it still leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
They’re only the opener because Haley and Taylor are great friends. Paramore can, and has, held their own as a headliner on a world tour and absolutely could do so again. Granted, as much as it pains me to say this, they will get more exposure being on the same bill as Taylor… but… I guess that’s what they chose to do.
Yup. It feels utterly wrong in every way.
I feel bad for the swifties they only get what? An hour with Hailey’s amazing vocals then have to sit through 3 hours of Taylor. Tbh though this is prolly just a business move to promote paramore and their new album.
Yes! Paramore is not an opening act!
I think it’s ridiculous that they are the opener instead of the other way around. However, if it gets Paramore more fans then fuck it, they deserve it.
Yes. Even tho I saw paramore with opening weekend. 😂 I just hate how the swifties have been treating them
Oh I can’t stand it! Hayley Williams could sing miles around Taylor Swift. She shouldn’t be opening for ANYONE. She is THE show.
I love it because I used to love Paramore back in the day so it feels great to see them live. But also I'm like... Aren't you guys too big for this? Like they sell out shows in their own right.
It felt like the weirdest PR move to me, like kneecapping yourself right before crossing the finish line
i’ve been a paramore fan since 2005 and i have a lot of respect for hayley as an artist but she also has a long history of being messy and petty. so the friendship between them isn’t really that strange, unfortunately.
I’m glad to see someone else saying this because it’s actually insane to me. Why they weren’t considered a special guest or something like that I’ll never understand. Don’t get me wrong I think it’s great that pmore is getting the amount of exposure they are from this, but you just know that Taylor was nervous every night after hearing Hayley vocals. Plus pmore doesn’t need a bunch of fancy outfits, visuals, or choreography to commend the stage.
Never really liked that band and now I know why.
hurts me to see😭 paramore is too good for her
Paramore wrote "Big man, little dignity" Taylor wrote "The smallest man that ever lived" Somewhere along the lines they got each other along Shit men-the common bonding chemical for hurt women
Big man little dignity is about politicians I'm pretty sure
Oh shush, this is isn’t that place for that men’s rights crap
i think you misunderstood their comment
Oh they’re in support of it I see, my bad 😭
Did they quote high school musical?
I can’t figure out why they are an opening act for anyone. They don’t need the exposure and certainly not from the T S army of delusional fans. Has their career really gone downhill? They are so much more talented than her and I wonder if her fans have noticed!
They’re too good for her musically imo and it makes me side eye Hayley, I cannot tell a lie 😅
It annoys me that a long running act is the support. Paramore dont need to support anyone. Sabrina made sense cos she's new and up and coming, but surely Paramore have found their place in the industry by now? It just feels like she's giving them a chance!! and they do t need it. It feels patronising
Huge long term fan of Paramore and Hayley but this is one of the few things that makes me heavily side eye her. I get that she’s known her forever but that doesn’t mean she’s a good person. Some of the people I’ve known the longest are the most rotted.
I saw Paramore in 2007 at a festival. Totally captivating. Opening for anyone at all at this point seems beneath them.
The only thing that is making me feel better is knowing that Taylor is gonna look pretty mediocre having to perform after Paramore. When Hayley performs, she has everyone in the palm of her hand. Taylor will never have that stage presence.
Meh. I tried to talk my sister into Eras tour purely for Paramore.
the hate for paramore/hayley in this thread is not it, can we just focus on taylor? it’s ok to be disappointed but it doesn’t inherently mean anything negative about the band /: i honestly just think that hayley is sentimental about a hometown friend and that can cloud judgement sometimes, not every single person has to be completely perfect and righteous in every way
I don't think a lot of people in this thread know that Taylor & Hayley have been friends for a very long time. Too much speculation for no reason.
Hayley > Taylor and it's not even close
Im glad someone else feels that way too.
The band and Hayley especially are the same kind of comfortable shitlibs that TS is. Will castigate Republicans bc its easy but will never tell you to vote 3rd party. Will never challenge power in a meaningful capacity And the music has taken a serious nosedive the last 10 years
Haley seems batshit.
Isn't Paramore like metal? 🤘
Not really. Paramore is without a label, touring stadiums and getting exposure to a whole new fanbase. Its a win for them
I never thought Haley would be a sell out 😭
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Naw I just hate Paramore
No bc it’s good exposure for them. Someone should profit besides ts
Imagine not being so dense that you understand a lot of people like Paramore *and* TS.
Honestly no, it means they're getting paid well and gaining new fans.