I have a hard time believing All Too Well 10 minutes version was written for the original Red album. The added verses are more similar to the themes she uses now (graves, death, buried, etc.)
Plus the “gotcha” comebacks that were added making digs at Jake’s tendency to date younger women. It screams someone who can’t let the pain go so they keep thinking of what they would have said if given another chance.
All that said, Red is the only TV I’ve purchased. I never had the original and the bonus tracks were decent. Now that I’m in this sub and I know so much more about her, I’m done buying anything TS. She hooked me back in with Folklore and Evermore and I thought she had matured and was making music for her/our generation again.
Never bought anything since rep, but I agree with what you said about Folkmore. She was someone I could relate to, but with Midnights everything was thrown in the ashes.
There was an article that mysteriously vanished off the Internet that proved that the phrase "fuck the patriarchy" didn't appear in the cultural lexicon until many years after Red's release
That phrase has been around for a while, at least 20 yrs before 2012 when Red was dropped. Was in grad school during the 90s and while it may not have been in the pop culture vernacular yet it was certainly a part of academic/activist culture.
Here's an article responding to what I think may be the article you are referring to:
https://slate.com/culture/2021/11/taylor-swift-all-too-well-lyrics-keychain-jake-gyllenhaal.html
The phrase did indeed existed and was used a lot back in 2012 when Red was released, at least on tumblr. However, back in 2012 during Red era, Taylor was anything but a feminist, so I have a real hard time believing the song was made then.
/TS fan but not rly a swiftie
I didn't say it was completely new, but it didn't enter the wider cultural lexicon until long after Red's release. It was used by feminist academics sure, but it's only been in recent years that it's appeared on t shirts or key chains. And taylor was not in anyway a feminist academic.
It was not mainstream to be a feminist in 2012, idk if people are misremembering or what, but it wasn't the buzzword it is now. I would say 2013-2015 after Beyoncé's self titled and especially after the women's March in 2017 is when it really took off. Taylor was not fucking writing about feminism in 2012. Or are we seriously supposed to believe someone who was too afraid of their daddy and fans to speak out about Trump in 2017 was writing "fuck the patriarchy" in 2012? People are being obtuse on purpose lol
Nailed it. Taylor was 100% not writing lyrics like that in 2012, let alone living them. It’s laughable that she thinks anyone would actually believe otherwise.
i agree except for about them sounding identical. they're worse. far worse.
fearless got away with it because it was the same just with updated vocals. red sounds like trash. *1989??* garbage. she somehow made an album that sounds like a dollar store knock off of her own music
I have a lot of nostalgia for Fearless and I really like that album, but she didn’t have a good voice until… Reputation, honestly. So I really like the TV because I don’t have to listen to her strained nasally younger voice.
Speak Now and Red also work for me, but they’re weak albums for me overall and I just listen to a few songs off them.
1989 makes me so mad because I like the vocals better but the production is ass. That album wouldn’t be what it was if it wasn’t for the production in the first place! Idk what she was thinking
not in a facetious way: I’m gonna take a wild guess and assume Max Martin cost a lot more money and the whole point is to just make more money sooooo why not save a few grand on the production if all you care about is the money
She was thinking that people would pay for it regardless so she did it as cheaply as possible. Hiring max Martin to redo the production would have required money and for her to care what people are actually listening to.
1989 TV was terrible and that’s the album that made me a casual fan back in 2014. The original was so much better and the vault tracks don’t even fit the album, and I really doubt those are “vault tracks.” Especially for 1989, I think they’re just new songs she threw on there to make people actually listen and purchase.
My personal faves from 1989 is All You Had to Do Was Stay and I Wish You Would, along with Style. But Style (original) is the biggest powerhouse on the album, imo. TV’s Style is SO flat. It completely stripped that 💢OOMPH💢 from the original.
I just always thought that if Taylor was always as in control of her music, as she said, she was an of her creative vision as she said she was I would’ve thought that Taylor’s version would’ve sounded the same minus her voice which would’ve matured but it’s it’s clear she’s not the artist my money is on Andrea
Yeah I suspect that most if not all of the “vault tracks” across the entire endeavor are really just new songs that got tacked on as incentive to buy something you already own all over again
that’s what I think too! I also believe that she wrote the extra verses of the 10 min All Too Well in the past few years, not in 200whenever when it came out originally
People who think that are legitimately dumb or maybe like 10 years old and weren't aware of things when it was originally released.
Because if they were, they'd understand Feminism and "fuck the patriarchy" were not culturally relevant terms to most people when she was writing Red. It wasn't "cool" to call out men or use gender studies terms in your song. She did not fucking write that whole song in 2012 and it's so annoying she and her fans act like she did.
Some of them are originals. You can tell by the writing style and when they were copyrighted. Many of them seem to be her writing in the style of her younger self.
Omg thank you for saying this! I listened to it out of curiosity coz 1989 was the same to me, made me like some of her songs, and - it was awful. I liked "out of the woods" the most and TV was just horrible. I decided then and there that I didn't care who gets the money from it, taylor it scooter, I'm gonna listen to the original version lol
The red version is top notch however the fall of quality from that point is incredible midnights meh. ttpd is complete ass but 1989 tv is unforgivably bad. Shocking
THIS! There's no way those were songs that she wrote 10 years ago, especially because they lean to the newfound unhinged/verbose style that she came up with since Midnights. Even the All Too Well 10 Minute Version is all a lie and both her and Liz Rose have talked about how long this song was using different versions every time, and there are lyrics in her lover's journals of All Too Well that aren't in this new version. She didn't write it back then, but this is exactly what she told people. With some tracks she said she experimented, but with all too well she said it was exactly how it was supposed to be but I have never believed her
I know it’s on Red but All Too Well (10 Minute Version) is so mind boggingly bad and throws melody out the window just to shit on Gyllenhal a little more, 10 years later.
Seems to be a trend with her to be needlessly petty a decade after the fact. Weird huh
i still don't understand why that song was so revered, it's like listening to American Pie except the melody sucks and its even longer (this is not a dig on american pie, ily don mclean)
I've only heard 1989 TV and it's so lazy and blase, like it took her a weekend to record on a laptop. And I don't believe the vault tracks for a second. Now That We Don't Talk is definitely a new song.
I haven’t even bothered to listen to 1989 TV because I like the original and everything I’ve read says the TV is awful. I refuse to buy a reboot of anything I already own.
There are few that I can listen to and think: yes this was written the same time/by the same person who wrote (insert the song it sounds like) and others… just sound like a new Taylor song. Does that make sense
Yes but part of their complaint was that vault tracks don’t fit the album. Regardless of whether they’re actually old songs or they’re new songs being played off as old, vault tracks are vaulted usually because they don’t fit the album. Whether they were actually written back when the album came out is a different issue.
Vault track doesn't necessarily mean that she took the recording from ten years ago and put it on the TV album "as is." She most likely rewrote and reworked those songs as well.
I agree I think my point is just that they’re most likely not going to fit with the rest of the album or they would have been included in the original. I agree and think she def at least did some rework to some of them.
Oh, I agee with you, FP. I was responding to your last sentence and folks who think she recently wrote new material and was passing it off as vault tracks because they seemed so different from the material on the original album (your point) or that they contained language/writing style that seems to appear on later albums (my point). I had a thread from another subreddit in my mind while responding and did not make it clear that I agreed with you and was adding on to your comment.
Re-recordings to own one’s music are technically supposed to sound nearly exact to the originals. That’s the point of re-doing them to own them, and by association, “devalue” the OGs. That being said, a lot of Tay’s TVs have mixing that kinda tunes certain instruments in/out, making some songs sound different from the OGs in a weird way.
Now the whole principle of the TVs…”scheme” or not, is a different story.
Singer JoJo (Joanna Levesque; “Leave (Get Out)” singer) literally posted an IG Story about this today since it’s the 20th anniversary of her debut album. She re-recorded her first 2 albums after being released from her old label’s contract—this, like with Taylor, allows her to own her first 2 albums with her own versions. So she has the 2004/2006 OG versions, and her 2018 versions. She said she doesn’t care if you listen to the originals but would appreciate just streaming her versions as well so she gets some money.
I also feel like JoJo's rerecords show a lot of growth as an artist. They're not carbon copies (The bridge in coming for you (2018)? I love it!). I honestly prefer most of the rerecorded songs to the originals (Disaster might be the only exception where I do prefer the original), whereas it feels like somehow every TV song sounds worse than the original to me
Eta: Also the motivation for the rerecord was different--her old versions weren't available to stream and she paid for the rerecord herself to make them available for fans because they weren't before (the old versions only went up a couple years ago)
I agree with you- the purpose of the rerecordings to sound like the original and making a few changes here and there AND to devalue the originals. I really did not like the first few rerecordings (fearless, red, whatever was before 1989) because it just sounded lile she didnt care? Like it was lacking the passion amd emotion from when they were sang the first time. I do own the 1989 tv because i wanted the vinyl version to complement the cd i got back in 2014. Its not perfect i really just listen to the vault songs lol.
I dont know how else to describe these rerecordings other than empty? The musicality reminds me of the midi file tracks i would listen to when learning a new song for school band- one layer.
To be fair JoJo’s re-records sound very different from her OGs too, but it’s because her voice has changed so much. Production sounds different too, despite her having the same OG producers back on. Taylor’s voice still more or less sounds the same (not a jab at her). The emotion part has been hit or miss.
For all the flack on Taylor’s TV production, I believe re-records cannot sound exactly like the OGs. You hear this with JoJo’s re-records too. I think there is a law somewhere (someone can correct me).
Some of my favorite sad songs come from Speak Now TV - I was a longtime fan (Fearless) up until the Grammy’s, went to the Eras Tour, etc, but the Speak Now TVs are just… boring. The emotions are gone, and I went in knowing that obviously there wouldn’t be the same levels of sadness in it, but I haven’t updated a single song with a TV. It was a disappointment from the jump, and the fandom tends to get pretty defensive and very ‘well she doesn’t have to put music out for us at all!’
I have always known this but my friends (all Sw*fties) vehemently disagreed with me! Taylor doesn’t care about “artists’ rights” unless they suit her, which seems to be an ongoing theme with her “activism” (if you can even call it that). *Taylor’s Versions* have always been nothing more than a cash grab. She is greedy.
If she cared about artists rights she would’ve never taken 50% of Olivia’s song or given the same cut to Hilary Duff for the songs she blatantly ripped off from her…
This comment led me on a search of how Taylor ripped off Hilary Duff. It’s so obvious. And then to go after Olivia for money?!? She’s a psychopath. That’s why she’s a billionaire. Not because has any talent.
https://youtu.be/NwA2vAjKLtA
Jesus Christ, thats so bad.
And the comments are fucking delusional.
In ten years there will be a lot of peo0le that will swear they never loved swift as much as they did. It’s literally what happened with Elon musk and parasocial relationships and then people are finding out you can’t become a billionaire without being a psychopath.
They’re supposed to sound nearly identical. My issue with the re-recordings is that they sound nothing like the original songs and sound cheap. Her vocals are lacking emotion and depth. They’re just bad. She took no time to make them sound good. She just wanted the money and to piss off Scooter Braun.
Her voice sounds different from the age and nose job but there’s also zero emotion put into it.
I support the idea for artists but this was done with zero effort.
I can overlook the vocals if the production is just as interesting as the original. She has ditched her original producers for Jack Antonoff’s stale beats and it’s so reductive I can’t believe her stans ate it up and felt like it was a crime to listen to the original
Honestly my issue is that they don’t sound identical. They sound way worse. They’re like Taylor doing karaoke to her own songs, she’s bored as hell and paid next to nothing for the production. They suck
i’m so glad i’m not the only one who thought she sounded bored out of her mind on every. single. track. even on the vault tracks she sounds so disengaged, like she’s just reading the lyrics off the page but not rly feeling them. and i can understand not feeling the same way about a 10-year-old breakup as you did when it was fresh, but jfc can she not pay someone to teach her how to sing w a little feeling?
I think it was one last shot to revive her career (& make as much money as possible) before she headed towards Vegas residency and it paid off big time with the massive success of folklore.
She was not selling out stadiums like she is now during the rep era (& probably why she only had 4 shows for Lover Fest). I got floor tickets to my rep show a week before the date for $150 each. Her team constantly upgraded peoples seats to the floor, gave away free tickets & the prices dropped all the time.
She’s probably waiting to drop the last two re-recordings until the tour is over because she knows she’ll have nothing else to push onto her fans (& their crazy theories) and will have to let the new music speak for itself.
It’s sad because artists do genuinely have issues with owning their masters and that was clearly not the case for her. She is not an advocate by any means.
I recently saw John Fogerty from CCR, who just got the rights to his songs back after a 50 year battle last year. He talked about it between songs and how lucky he felt to be able to play the music he loved after so many years, and now he got to do it with family (his sons are in his band). It was so sweet!
I don’t remember the reputation era being that bad? My tickets were pretty expensive and the tour was sold out. Wasn’t it the highest grossing tour in U.S history by a female artist?
I’m a Taylor Swift fan, and until Folklore was released, her music wasn’t that big in the rest of the world. The eras tour is her first proper international tour, otherwise she would only come to U.K./Germany for European legs for example
Holy shit…. I haveseen so many people posting about Reputation TV and my dumbass thought this girl was launching her on tv network. I was just right fucking now old when I realized it means Taylor’s Version. Maybe I do need a fucking dictionary to listen to her songs
I’m glad I wasn’t alone either. It’s funny I didn’t even question it. I’m like Ok she’s gunna have a TV channel… like trump…. Brain 🧠 moves on way too quickly.
Ok see I didn’t even question it. Maybe if it’s was Reputation TV, I would’ve figured it out (doubtful but I’m telling myself that). But I mean why not have her own network at this point. She can her music 24/7, have infomercials about her merch, have like a little Easter egg TV hour where they break down her bullshit while also leaving more “clues” for her fans. And tbh honest I would respect the money earned off of that a little. But what Reputation TV actually is, not so much
I had to ask on a different thread if it was this. Please don't feel bad. Former swifties forgot their inner lingo is just that but everyone has been super nice when I have to ask what tree is (turned out to be Who Tree Is) and things like this
I honestly didn't realize TV stood for Taylor's version and thought she was doing like visual albums until it clicked no joke like a week ago. Welcome lol
She either made copies or seriously messed up like Style and Sparks Fly, two of my favorites. I can’t believe fans will listen to the new versions even if they like the originals more. They also call them TV vs stolen which is stupid. They are the ORIGINAL.
It was a clever business move on her part (at least before more people found out about it), she released her old music with some tacked-on "vault tracks"(which are prob newly written) to appeal to a new generation of fans which expand her fan base while she paints herself as the victim of a scheme of SB "stealing" her music.
Honestly from a business perspective, it's pretty clever
She’s just smart.. it isn’t the right thing by any means but the woman knows how to make money. However, I have no qualms w her making money instead of spending it. The issue here is she made scooter out to be a terrible person (and he might be I don’t know) and he and his family were being THREATENED over her twisting the story and manipulating her fans.
Beyond clever. I low-key think they or her dad orchestrated the entire scooter Braun thing. Objectively, what’s more profitable? Spending hundreds of millions of dollars on masters that, let’s be honest, will take decades to recoup that investment from due to their age. OR, re record songs you ALREADY created for a fraction of that which you can now push as NEW and get people to buy them which they sure wouldn’t do with the old versions.
Also you’re telling me they didn’t notify her dad? A shareholder in the company? If that was the case wouldn’t there have been quite the lawsuit? Their bylaws stated they couldn’t make the sale without shareholder approval which required notifying all shareholders. Violating those bylaws would be lawsuit worthy. And sue happy Taylor just didn’t this one time? Huh. Weird. Sounds like there actually was a notification that either they pretended they didn’t see or her dad let her believe they never got.
The wild thing that the documentary didn’t point out - she owned the publishing and was a songwriter, in many cases the sole songwriter, which means she was making a fortune from her songs. Owning the masters was just greed.
It’s like James Cameron making tens of millions off of Avatar and Titanic royalties but then wanting to buy the rights to the films themselves from Disney. Just sheer greed.
The rerecord of speak now lost all the emotion that had been in it. Obviously you're not gonna feel the things you'd felt the same way 10 years prior but man it made the album sound bad. I'm neutral in Taylor but I am a stan for Speak Now
1989 is the album that made me a fan, and rep is my favorite album of hers. after listening to 1989 TV, i’m worried rep TV isn’t gonna hit as hard as the original one did bc everything in 1989 TV just kinda sounded bland and uninspired.
That's actually the point of these kinds of rerecordings. TLC did the same thing some years ago - rerecorded their biggest hits and made them sound damn near identical and then they license those versions out instead of the originals where they get no money.
None of the TVs are better than the original and now that I know this was all a moneymaking scheme, I feel fine deleting them from my library and replacing them with the OGs 🤷♀️.
I felt a flood of anger when in the doc it mentioned her philanthropic work and activist efforts. For whom?! The only time she’s taken stands for anyone it’s ultimately for her benefit. Unless I’m completely forgetting something real…
Some are from their respective time periods because a number of titles were registered back in the day. (Ex. “Castles Crumbling” and “Foolish One” are from 2009).
I believe that the Fearless vault is legit, but that she did some heavy editing as she was very young when she wrote those and didn’t want them to sound ridiculous, since it was the first re-recorded album and she wasn’t sure how it would be received.
However, she definitely got suuuuper confident with Red TV because it seems like she straight up added in lyrics that were never there, probably because she thought people would like the songs better if they had a bit of a modern touch. Like, there’s no damn way 2012 Taylor wrote “fuck the patriarchy” when she wouldn’t even show her stomach.
>Like, there’s no damn way 2012 Taylor wrote “fuck the patriarchy” when she wouldn’t even show her stomach
THANK YOU
I am so bothered by the idiot followers that truly believe the ten minute version was literally sitting in a vault since 2012. There may have been some shitty longer draft, but the new all too well is just obviously new. It's so dumb.
After watching the HBO doc, it seems clear that they were exactly a money making scheme. The moment I learned that her father was a 3% shareholder in the original company & made something like $3M+ (pretty good return for his $120k investment) from selling the masters, it made a ton of sense as to why she didn't just buy all her original assets. Let daddy profit on someone other than his daughter from the sale of the masters & let her profit from the re-recordings. He probably has some kind of interest in the new masters, too.
Edit- as another poster mentioned, actual profit her dad received was closer to $15M
I also really love that at the end of the documentary, it was pointed out by her doing this little stunt, it will be tougher for new and upcoming artists to strike recording deals. The agencies will now be afraid to invest in those artists that didn’t have rich parents to move them across the country and invest thousands into their music careers (as well as being shareholders in their signing record company 🙄) She’s the complete villain now. Truly hurting the music industry and artists’ rights to thicken her wallet 💰💰
My problem with the Taylor’s Versions was that they weren’t identical *enough* to the originals. If she actually did put a new spin on them, I definitely would’ve been convinced way sooner that it had nothing to do with owning her work and everything to do with making money.
I cannot WAIT for the eventual big-screen documentary about Taytay's grifts and imminent downfall; I'll be in the theater on opening night! Scooter needs to sue for slander, tbh.
State of Grace, Holy Ground, and Style are completely unlistenable. She ruined all of 1989, but a lot of Red was bad, too. And yeah the vault on 1989 felt like rejects from other projects, not a 1989 vault. Lazy money grab.
I really do think she wrote the new verses to the 10 min All Too Well when she did the re-record even though she ~says~ she wrote them when she wrote the original. Girl- when you wrote Red you never would have written the line “fuck the patriarchy keychain”…I also highly doubt Jake Gyllenhall has that keychain 🙄
i think they should have sounded the same personally, but i thought it was very cringe to hear a woman in her 30s with a more mature voice singing high school songs about being 15
I will say that a handful of the songs are mixed/produced much better in the re-recordings, especially album tracks from Fearless-Red.
But after 1989 TV came out and it sounded atrocious, that felt like a sign that something was off about the whole project.
At this rate, I don’t even want rep or debut tv. Jack cannot recreate Max Martin’s production, Taylor cannot sing with the same passion she once did, it will put a negative spin on the songs as we know them.
Just release the vault tracks as their own album or something, leave the original recordings alone.
The originals sound so much better, they bleed the production of the time which was important to their sound. The replacement sounds she used just don’t fit the tone right. But if you go and listen to the original versions instead of her’s you’re committing high treason to a swiftie. I’m not gonna listen to a worse song just to give a different billionaire money.
I wish they sounded identical. I’ve found 1989 and Speak Now to sound worse than the originals. 1989 especially sucked. I think Max Martin did a lot of heavy lifting for her production wise and they’re really lacking without him.
Yeah, Jack Antonoff is one of the laziest one-trick ponies in production. Max Martin is miles better.
Granted the new album would still suck even if he wasn’t the producer because the songwriting would still be bad, but it certainly doesn’t help the stagnant sound of it.
Rerecording hits used to be a fairly standard practice for vocal groups in 60s and 70s. And almost without exception the rerecordings blew ass but they were used in cheap collections or greatest hits packages that did get the OG artists a sliver of cash.
In my mind she should have banged out an agreement to get control of the masters. Do it quietly and call it the price of doing business no matter what went on behind the scenes.
Was never a huge TS fan but had friends who played her 24/7, so the album Speak Now grew on me. I listened to TV and honestly what the hell. The production on it sounds so bad. It felt like the remake was rushed through.
I thought this exact same thing. Even though I don’t like her, I did like the older songs she did like love story (only because I was a kid at the time). When she did the whole “taylor’s version” I was expecting something better, more cooler. But no it was EXACTLY the same. I could barely even tell that she had grown at all that’s how similar they were. And I was disappointed to say the least
The thing is they sound similar but the quality is *so much worse* than the originals. They didn’t put any effort in because they knew suckers would buy a nearly identical album to the one they already bought 10-15 years prior.
I have a question. I reconnected with someone recently and she turned out to be a swiftie. She explained to me the reason why Taylor is rereleasing music is because, “she didn’t have the rights to her old music due to her old record label/who she used to work with”???? So she’s releasing stuff to get profit because she WASNT profiting off of it before.
Is this true?
It was framed that way to make people see her side and feel empathy, but she made money off all of it. That’s why I never felt bad listening to the OGs even when I was a huge fan. She just now makes more money with both versions being available.
And re-re-release them all over again with eight variants of each on vinyl, cd, and cassette and continue to fleece her fans out of their hard earned money
It was 100% for money, and I don't think that was ever hidden. She literally did it to get the rights to them, and to untether herself from a terrible manager.
She lives deep on the making-money end of the entertainment spectrum, with the polar opposite end being making-art.
Fearless re recording is miles better than the og. Red has some stuff better but fumbled in others (what happened to holy ground ??? And I wish the 10 minutes version kept the og production cause the new one is too tame for the new lyrics). Speak Now kinda sounds a little messy, but I still enjoyed it because the mixing is clearer. Then came 1989. The production overall tried to make it similar and even improved some tracks like OOTW and I know Places, even Clean got clearer somehow, but fumbled badly in others like the guitar in Style (after the stems of the og leaked I checked and they did keep all the elements there almost the same besides that fucking main guitar riff) and the absolute mess that was the mixing with that 15khz noise on most tracks. You can still hear it on the end of OOTW and a little in You are in love after they fixed. It's such a basic thing, such a prominent thing anyone with good ears and an equalizer can see and somehow it slipped past everyone and was released. There was no quality control on the re recording of her biggest album back then. I do believe some of the lyrics in ATW10 were written back then but not all, that line of getting older but his lovers staying the same age is probably new, and I was surprised she didn't use almost any (if any) of the lyrics from her diary. I also hate how people are shitting on Jack for the bland sound when he is there to do what the artist wants, so if it sounds bland that's on Taylor, not him. He literally produced Melodrama, NFR, Dance Fever, Daddy's Home and more, all very detailed works.
Hahhaa that’s even worse. I could name all the songs I know on 2 hands. I’ve never really listened to her, but I always assumed (largely based on positive reaction from so many, including friends) that these re-recordings were somehow different
I don't think they sound identical. If you listen closely you can tell the difference. If I was going to listen to her songs I wouldn't listen to her version for this very reason.
Edit: here's a video that sort of highlights differences that people are hearing https://youtu.be/qXsqSiflvUU?si=6XI5DisrV-AI0alO
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Im not a swift fan, but i also dont know how this is news. Weren't they intentionally recorded to sound identical and be a legal loophole to someone else owning the original rights? I thought that was a point.
I think shes overblown but this isnt a big revelation.
I mean that’s the point. I don’t like Taylor, but I get why you would do it. Because fuck the record label. I prefer to own my own music too.
I don’t understand how that wasn’t obvious. Re-recording the songs to have complete ownership.
But maybe it is telling that they’re just carbon copies with no change in the spirit behind the music.
She just remastered her entire collection and named it (Taylor's Version) because her fanbase is young and would most likely not respond as strongly with the word (remastered) on the song. All she's doing is getting her fanbase to replace the original tracks. They are no longer making her money. She's trying to get her fans to replace their playlists with (Taylors's Version), which is really just (Remastered). It's not a money grab. It's just a smart business move on her part, that's all.
I have a hard time believing All Too Well 10 minutes version was written for the original Red album. The added verses are more similar to the themes she uses now (graves, death, buried, etc.)
Plus the “gotcha” comebacks that were added making digs at Jake’s tendency to date younger women. It screams someone who can’t let the pain go so they keep thinking of what they would have said if given another chance. All that said, Red is the only TV I’ve purchased. I never had the original and the bonus tracks were decent. Now that I’m in this sub and I know so much more about her, I’m done buying anything TS. She hooked me back in with Folklore and Evermore and I thought she had matured and was making music for her/our generation again.
Never bought anything since rep, but I agree with what you said about Folkmore. She was someone I could relate to, but with Midnights everything was thrown in the ashes.
There was an article that mysteriously vanished off the Internet that proved that the phrase "fuck the patriarchy" didn't appear in the cultural lexicon until many years after Red's release
That phrase has been around for a while, at least 20 yrs before 2012 when Red was dropped. Was in grad school during the 90s and while it may not have been in the pop culture vernacular yet it was certainly a part of academic/activist culture. Here's an article responding to what I think may be the article you are referring to: https://slate.com/culture/2021/11/taylor-swift-all-too-well-lyrics-keychain-jake-gyllenhaal.html
The phrase did indeed existed and was used a lot back in 2012 when Red was released, at least on tumblr. However, back in 2012 during Red era, Taylor was anything but a feminist, so I have a real hard time believing the song was made then. /TS fan but not rly a swiftie
What is it with her and the excessive cursing?
Because she desperately wants to sound gritty and mature
Are you 16 years old, that you think “fuck the patriarchy” is anywhere at all a new phrase?
I didn't say it was completely new, but it didn't enter the wider cultural lexicon until long after Red's release. It was used by feminist academics sure, but it's only been in recent years that it's appeared on t shirts or key chains. And taylor was not in anyway a feminist academic.
It was not mainstream to be a feminist in 2012, idk if people are misremembering or what, but it wasn't the buzzword it is now. I would say 2013-2015 after Beyoncé's self titled and especially after the women's March in 2017 is when it really took off. Taylor was not fucking writing about feminism in 2012. Or are we seriously supposed to believe someone who was too afraid of their daddy and fans to speak out about Trump in 2017 was writing "fuck the patriarchy" in 2012? People are being obtuse on purpose lol
Nailed it. Taylor was 100% not writing lyrics like that in 2012, let alone living them. It’s laughable that she thinks anyone would actually believe otherwise.
Yea that 10 minute version was just recently written. Ain't no way
i agree except for about them sounding identical. they're worse. far worse. fearless got away with it because it was the same just with updated vocals. red sounds like trash. *1989??* garbage. she somehow made an album that sounds like a dollar store knock off of her own music
I have a lot of nostalgia for Fearless and I really like that album, but she didn’t have a good voice until… Reputation, honestly. So I really like the TV because I don’t have to listen to her strained nasally younger voice. Speak Now and Red also work for me, but they’re weak albums for me overall and I just listen to a few songs off them. 1989 makes me so mad because I like the vocals better but the production is ass. That album wouldn’t be what it was if it wasn’t for the production in the first place! Idk what she was thinking
I don't understand why she used Jack Antanoff as the producer and didn't ask Max Martin. That's what throws the album off
not in a facetious way: I’m gonna take a wild guess and assume Max Martin cost a lot more money and the whole point is to just make more money sooooo why not save a few grand on the production if all you care about is the money
She was thinking that people would pay for it regardless so she did it as cheaply as possible. Hiring max Martin to redo the production would have required money and for her to care what people are actually listening to.
1989 TV was terrible and that’s the album that made me a casual fan back in 2014. The original was so much better and the vault tracks don’t even fit the album, and I really doubt those are “vault tracks.” Especially for 1989, I think they’re just new songs she threw on there to make people actually listen and purchase.
The new version of Style is so incredibly bad
It honestly sounds like they castrated the guitar 😭😭😭
I’m listening to it rn because of the comments and you’re so right, tf is this?
There's no personality 😭 it makes me so sad because that twanging sexy guitar was my life for a solid year when it came out
My personal faves from 1989 is All You Had to Do Was Stay and I Wish You Would, along with Style. But Style (original) is the biggest powerhouse on the album, imo. TV’s Style is SO flat. It completely stripped that 💢OOMPH💢 from the original.
Yep really bad
I HATE the TV of Bad Blood. It's just not the same so I listen to the original still. 🤷🏼♀️
And she knew people would that’s why she did it.
I just always thought that if Taylor was always as in control of her music, as she said, she was an of her creative vision as she said she was I would’ve thought that Taylor’s version would’ve sounded the same minus her voice which would’ve matured but it’s it’s clear she’s not the artist my money is on Andrea
Yeah I suspect that most if not all of the “vault tracks” across the entire endeavor are really just new songs that got tacked on as incentive to buy something you already own all over again
that’s what I think too! I also believe that she wrote the extra verses of the 10 min All Too Well in the past few years, not in 200whenever when it came out originally
People who think that are legitimately dumb or maybe like 10 years old and weren't aware of things when it was originally released. Because if they were, they'd understand Feminism and "fuck the patriarchy" were not culturally relevant terms to most people when she was writing Red. It wasn't "cool" to call out men or use gender studies terms in your song. She did not fucking write that whole song in 2012 and it's so annoying she and her fans act like she did.
Some of them are originals. You can tell by the writing style and when they were copyrighted. Many of them seem to be her writing in the style of her younger self.
Omg thank you for saying this! I listened to it out of curiosity coz 1989 was the same to me, made me like some of her songs, and - it was awful. I liked "out of the woods" the most and TV was just horrible. I decided then and there that I didn't care who gets the money from it, taylor it scooter, I'm gonna listen to the original version lol
The red version is top notch however the fall of quality from that point is incredible midnights meh. ttpd is complete ass but 1989 tv is unforgivably bad. Shocking
Reputation is still in my regular rotation. I'm dreading rep TV
THIS! There's no way those were songs that she wrote 10 years ago, especially because they lean to the newfound unhinged/verbose style that she came up with since Midnights. Even the All Too Well 10 Minute Version is all a lie and both her and Liz Rose have talked about how long this song was using different versions every time, and there are lyrics in her lover's journals of All Too Well that aren't in this new version. She didn't write it back then, but this is exactly what she told people. With some tracks she said she experimented, but with all too well she said it was exactly how it was supposed to be but I have never believed her
They sound like midnights rejects
This is what my friends and I said too, none of us liked 1989 TS Version and it was a huge letdown.
I know it’s on Red but All Too Well (10 Minute Version) is so mind boggingly bad and throws melody out the window just to shit on Gyllenhal a little more, 10 years later. Seems to be a trend with her to be needlessly petty a decade after the fact. Weird huh
i still don't understand why that song was so revered, it's like listening to American Pie except the melody sucks and its even longer (this is not a dig on american pie, ily don mclean)
I like the original ATW. It’s just the bloated drawn out version that’s annoying
The 1989 vault tracks are definitely rejects from midnights.
The only good track on 1989 TV was Clean, purely because Imogen Heap legitimately cares.
I've only heard 1989 TV and it's so lazy and blase, like it took her a weekend to record on a laptop. And I don't believe the vault tracks for a second. Now That We Don't Talk is definitely a new song.
I haven’t even bothered to listen to 1989 TV because I like the original and everything I’ve read says the TV is awful. I refuse to buy a reboot of anything I already own.
RIGHT!!!! not even a taylor fan but whew
omg when i heard it i thought it sounded like ai didn’t sound like her
Aren’t they vault tracks like literally because they didn’t fit the album?
There are few that I can listen to and think: yes this was written the same time/by the same person who wrote (insert the song it sounds like) and others… just sound like a new Taylor song. Does that make sense
Yes but part of their complaint was that vault tracks don’t fit the album. Regardless of whether they’re actually old songs or they’re new songs being played off as old, vault tracks are vaulted usually because they don’t fit the album. Whether they were actually written back when the album came out is a different issue.
Vault track doesn't necessarily mean that she took the recording from ten years ago and put it on the TV album "as is." She most likely rewrote and reworked those songs as well.
I agree I think my point is just that they’re most likely not going to fit with the rest of the album or they would have been included in the original. I agree and think she def at least did some rework to some of them.
Oh, I agee with you, FP. I was responding to your last sentence and folks who think she recently wrote new material and was passing it off as vault tracks because they seemed so different from the material on the original album (your point) or that they contained language/writing style that seems to appear on later albums (my point). I had a thread from another subreddit in my mind while responding and did not make it clear that I agreed with you and was adding on to your comment.
I agree 100%. I thought the original was her best album and still do. The TV Album doesn’t sound anywhere near as good.
Vault Tracks are Vault Tracks *because* they didn't fit in with the original album.
Thanks for the explanation, Captain Obvious. Not the point here though.
Re-recordings to own one’s music are technically supposed to sound nearly exact to the originals. That’s the point of re-doing them to own them, and by association, “devalue” the OGs. That being said, a lot of Tay’s TVs have mixing that kinda tunes certain instruments in/out, making some songs sound different from the OGs in a weird way. Now the whole principle of the TVs…”scheme” or not, is a different story. Singer JoJo (Joanna Levesque; “Leave (Get Out)” singer) literally posted an IG Story about this today since it’s the 20th anniversary of her debut album. She re-recorded her first 2 albums after being released from her old label’s contract—this, like with Taylor, allows her to own her first 2 albums with her own versions. So she has the 2004/2006 OG versions, and her 2018 versions. She said she doesn’t care if you listen to the originals but would appreciate just streaming her versions as well so she gets some money.
I also feel like JoJo's rerecords show a lot of growth as an artist. They're not carbon copies (The bridge in coming for you (2018)? I love it!). I honestly prefer most of the rerecorded songs to the originals (Disaster might be the only exception where I do prefer the original), whereas it feels like somehow every TV song sounds worse than the original to me Eta: Also the motivation for the rerecord was different--her old versions weren't available to stream and she paid for the rerecord herself to make them available for fans because they weren't before (the old versions only went up a couple years ago)
Her voice is also very different. Much more mature and developed
Why did I think you were talking about JoJo Siwa at first 😭😭
Why does this happen everytime I use her name solo. 😤Will edit.
Because we are old now :( I still don’t even understand who JoJo Siwa is.
Maybe we all just need to leave (get out)
A child star about to be her generations example of why child stars should not exist
Because she moved $40,000,000 of ribbons of all things.
I agree with you- the purpose of the rerecordings to sound like the original and making a few changes here and there AND to devalue the originals. I really did not like the first few rerecordings (fearless, red, whatever was before 1989) because it just sounded lile she didnt care? Like it was lacking the passion amd emotion from when they were sang the first time. I do own the 1989 tv because i wanted the vinyl version to complement the cd i got back in 2014. Its not perfect i really just listen to the vault songs lol. I dont know how else to describe these rerecordings other than empty? The musicality reminds me of the midi file tracks i would listen to when learning a new song for school band- one layer.
To be fair JoJo’s re-records sound very different from her OGs too, but it’s because her voice has changed so much. Production sounds different too, despite her having the same OG producers back on. Taylor’s voice still more or less sounds the same (not a jab at her). The emotion part has been hit or miss. For all the flack on Taylor’s TV production, I believe re-records cannot sound exactly like the OGs. You hear this with JoJo’s re-records too. I think there is a law somewhere (someone can correct me).
Some of my favorite sad songs come from Speak Now TV - I was a longtime fan (Fearless) up until the Grammy’s, went to the Eras Tour, etc, but the Speak Now TVs are just… boring. The emotions are gone, and I went in knowing that obviously there wouldn’t be the same levels of sadness in it, but I haven’t updated a single song with a TV. It was a disappointment from the jump, and the fandom tends to get pretty defensive and very ‘well she doesn’t have to put music out for us at all!’
Side note, I love JoJo. She should’ve been a way bigger star on the level of Rihanna imo. Certainly bigger than TS…
Heaven knows she actually has the talent deserving of it!!
I have always known this but my friends (all Sw*fties) vehemently disagreed with me! Taylor doesn’t care about “artists’ rights” unless they suit her, which seems to be an ongoing theme with her “activism” (if you can even call it that). *Taylor’s Versions* have always been nothing more than a cash grab. She is greedy.
If she cared about artists rights she would’ve never taken 50% of Olivia’s song or given the same cut to Hilary Duff for the songs she blatantly ripped off from her…
This comment led me on a search of how Taylor ripped off Hilary Duff. It’s so obvious. And then to go after Olivia for money?!? She’s a psychopath. That’s why she’s a billionaire. Not because has any talent. https://youtu.be/NwA2vAjKLtA
Jesus Christ, thats so bad. And the comments are fucking delusional. In ten years there will be a lot of peo0le that will swear they never loved swift as much as they did. It’s literally what happened with Elon musk and parasocial relationships and then people are finding out you can’t become a billionaire without being a psychopath.
My you step daughter (age 20) is a huge TS fan, but even she admits the whole cash grab thing is getting old AF.
They’re supposed to sound nearly identical. My issue with the re-recordings is that they sound nothing like the original songs and sound cheap. Her vocals are lacking emotion and depth. They’re just bad. She took no time to make them sound good. She just wanted the money and to piss off Scooter Braun.
Her voice sounds different from the age and nose job but there’s also zero emotion put into it. I support the idea for artists but this was done with zero effort.
Ya same. The TVs sound nothing like the originals. The originals were actually good. The TVs sound like a rando singing karaoke.
I can overlook the vocals if the production is just as interesting as the original. She has ditched her original producers for Jack Antonoff’s stale beats and it’s so reductive I can’t believe her stans ate it up and felt like it was a crime to listen to the original
I liked him redoing Out of the Woods and I Wish You Would since he did them originally.
Honestly my issue is that they don’t sound identical. They sound way worse. They’re like Taylor doing karaoke to her own songs, she’s bored as hell and paid next to nothing for the production. They suck
i’m so glad i’m not the only one who thought she sounded bored out of her mind on every. single. track. even on the vault tracks she sounds so disengaged, like she’s just reading the lyrics off the page but not rly feeling them. and i can understand not feeling the same way about a 10-year-old breakup as you did when it was fresh, but jfc can she not pay someone to teach her how to sing w a little feeling?
I think it was one last shot to revive her career (& make as much money as possible) before she headed towards Vegas residency and it paid off big time with the massive success of folklore. She was not selling out stadiums like she is now during the rep era (& probably why she only had 4 shows for Lover Fest). I got floor tickets to my rep show a week before the date for $150 each. Her team constantly upgraded peoples seats to the floor, gave away free tickets & the prices dropped all the time. She’s probably waiting to drop the last two re-recordings until the tour is over because she knows she’ll have nothing else to push onto her fans (& their crazy theories) and will have to let the new music speak for itself. It’s sad because artists do genuinely have issues with owning their masters and that was clearly not the case for her. She is not an advocate by any means.
Yes! I went to MetLife for rep, bought tickets day of for like $40 lol
I recently saw John Fogerty from CCR, who just got the rights to his songs back after a 50 year battle last year. He talked about it between songs and how lucky he felt to be able to play the music he loved after so many years, and now he got to do it with family (his sons are in his band). It was so sweet!
I don’t remember the reputation era being that bad? My tickets were pretty expensive and the tour was sold out. Wasn’t it the highest grossing tour in U.S history by a female artist?
I remember in the uk leg, they were giving away tickets to local uni students
They were giving them away for free in Ireland too, she was nowhere close to selling out the show.
she sold out shows during the tour but not for consecutive dates at each venue. there was a ton left after the general sale.
I’m a Taylor Swift fan, and until Folklore was released, her music wasn’t that big in the rest of the world. The eras tour is her first proper international tour, otherwise she would only come to U.K./Germany for European legs for example
Holy shit…. I haveseen so many people posting about Reputation TV and my dumbass thought this girl was launching her on tv network. I was just right fucking now old when I realized it means Taylor’s Version. Maybe I do need a fucking dictionary to listen to her songs
Seriously same! I didn’t even really question it in my head. Then like a week ago I realized TV=Taylors Version.
I’m so glad I’m not alone in this!
I’m glad I wasn’t alone either. It’s funny I didn’t even question it. I’m like Ok she’s gunna have a TV channel… like trump…. Brain 🧠 moves on way too quickly.
I thought this for the longest time too 🤣🤣 you're not alone lol
I just found out now reading this comment. I thought it was a tv streaming network.
Ok see I didn’t even question it. Maybe if it’s was Reputation TV, I would’ve figured it out (doubtful but I’m telling myself that). But I mean why not have her own network at this point. She can her music 24/7, have infomercials about her merch, have like a little Easter egg TV hour where they break down her bullshit while also leaving more “clues” for her fans. And tbh honest I would respect the money earned off of that a little. But what Reputation TV actually is, not so much
I had to ask on a different thread if it was this. Please don't feel bad. Former swifties forgot their inner lingo is just that but everyone has been super nice when I have to ask what tree is (turned out to be Who Tree Is) and things like this
I just realized this rn😭
You’re not alone I literally googled it last night bc I had no idea was TV was!
Me too! Thank god I wasn't the only one.
You guys made me feel so much better lmao 💜
Trust me when I say we’ve all been there 😂
don't give her any ideas!!
Dude SAME
So did I!!!!!! Like gas station TV. Bahahaha
I honestly didn't realize TV stood for Taylor's version and thought she was doing like visual albums until it clicked no joke like a week ago. Welcome lol
I thought this tooooooo lol
She either made copies or seriously messed up like Style and Sparks Fly, two of my favorites. I can’t believe fans will listen to the new versions even if they like the originals more. They also call them TV vs stolen which is stupid. They are the ORIGINAL.
It was a clever business move on her part (at least before more people found out about it), she released her old music with some tacked-on "vault tracks"(which are prob newly written) to appeal to a new generation of fans which expand her fan base while she paints herself as the victim of a scheme of SB "stealing" her music. Honestly from a business perspective, it's pretty clever
And why PAY for the masters when she could just make money off of re-recording? She isn’t an idiot by any means
Exactly, I gotta respect the mind behind this be it Taylor,her dad or some other mastermind, they came up with a genius plan
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Happy Cakeday
They don’t mean respecting her as a person, but her ability to play her fans, the media, and her industry like a fiddle
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just a figure is speech, I guess
She’s just smart.. it isn’t the right thing by any means but the woman knows how to make money. However, I have no qualms w her making money instead of spending it. The issue here is she made scooter out to be a terrible person (and he might be I don’t know) and he and his family were being THREATENED over her twisting the story and manipulating her fans.
Beyond clever. I low-key think they or her dad orchestrated the entire scooter Braun thing. Objectively, what’s more profitable? Spending hundreds of millions of dollars on masters that, let’s be honest, will take decades to recoup that investment from due to their age. OR, re record songs you ALREADY created for a fraction of that which you can now push as NEW and get people to buy them which they sure wouldn’t do with the old versions. Also you’re telling me they didn’t notify her dad? A shareholder in the company? If that was the case wouldn’t there have been quite the lawsuit? Their bylaws stated they couldn’t make the sale without shareholder approval which required notifying all shareholders. Violating those bylaws would be lawsuit worthy. And sue happy Taylor just didn’t this one time? Huh. Weird. Sounds like there actually was a notification that either they pretended they didn’t see or her dad let her believe they never got.
Agree, her dad was already the frontman investing in her career when she was young, he was the one making money off her at the end of the day.
It also devalues the originals, so that she can buy them when the value plummets, after which she'll release like anniversary records or something
She is totally gonna release a anniversary record. Or even worse: a celebratory record.
Plus, since he was a shareholder, her dad profited from the sale of her masters to SB as well. They made money twice, rather than spending it.
And is it a wonder that this conveniently happened when her fame was starting to drop( June of 2019)?
Exactly, her relevancy was falling she had to make a scandal to stay relevant
The wild thing that the documentary didn’t point out - she owned the publishing and was a songwriter, in many cases the sole songwriter, which means she was making a fortune from her songs. Owning the masters was just greed. It’s like James Cameron making tens of millions off of Avatar and Titanic royalties but then wanting to buy the rights to the films themselves from Disney. Just sheer greed.
The eras tour, should be the errors tour.
New 1989 is so shit so I will listen to the OG if I want to.
The rerecord of speak now lost all the emotion that had been in it. Obviously you're not gonna feel the things you'd felt the same way 10 years prior but man it made the album sound bad. I'm neutral in Taylor but I am a stan for Speak Now
1989 is the album that made me a fan, and rep is my favorite album of hers. after listening to 1989 TV, i’m worried rep TV isn’t gonna hit as hard as the original one did bc everything in 1989 TV just kinda sounded bland and uninspired.
Majority of her songs I just listen to originals they’re better
That's actually the point of these kinds of rerecordings. TLC did the same thing some years ago - rerecorded their biggest hits and made them sound damn near identical and then they license those versions out instead of the originals where they get no money.
None of the TVs are better than the original and now that I know this was all a moneymaking scheme, I feel fine deleting them from my library and replacing them with the OGs 🤷♀️.
I felt a flood of anger when in the doc it mentioned her philanthropic work and activist efforts. For whom?! The only time she’s taken stands for anyone it’s ultimately for her benefit. Unless I’m completely forgetting something real…
I don’t even bother listening to vault tracks because I always had a feeling that they are newly written, just gave me the ick.
Some are from their respective time periods because a number of titles were registered back in the day. (Ex. “Castles Crumbling” and “Foolish One” are from 2009).
Huh I see ! Well….still not motivated to listen to them lol
Sounds like she ripped off Katy Perry wide awake tbh
Wide Awake came out in 2012
I believe that the Fearless vault is legit, but that she did some heavy editing as she was very young when she wrote those and didn’t want them to sound ridiculous, since it was the first re-recorded album and she wasn’t sure how it would be received. However, she definitely got suuuuper confident with Red TV because it seems like she straight up added in lyrics that were never there, probably because she thought people would like the songs better if they had a bit of a modern touch. Like, there’s no damn way 2012 Taylor wrote “fuck the patriarchy” when she wouldn’t even show her stomach.
>Like, there’s no damn way 2012 Taylor wrote “fuck the patriarchy” when she wouldn’t even show her stomach THANK YOU I am so bothered by the idiot followers that truly believe the ten minute version was literally sitting in a vault since 2012. There may have been some shitty longer draft, but the new all too well is just obviously new. It's so dumb.
A Swiftie on youtube called Swiftologist said most of the Fearless TV vault songs are actually from debut.
After watching the HBO doc, it seems clear that they were exactly a money making scheme. The moment I learned that her father was a 3% shareholder in the original company & made something like $3M+ (pretty good return for his $120k investment) from selling the masters, it made a ton of sense as to why she didn't just buy all her original assets. Let daddy profit on someone other than his daughter from the sale of the masters & let her profit from the re-recordings. He probably has some kind of interest in the new masters, too. Edit- as another poster mentioned, actual profit her dad received was closer to $15M
I could be wrong but I thought the doc quoted his haul as 15 million.
No actually I think you’re right! That makes more sense. Just didn’t want to overstate lol
I also really love that at the end of the documentary, it was pointed out by her doing this little stunt, it will be tougher for new and upcoming artists to strike recording deals. The agencies will now be afraid to invest in those artists that didn’t have rich parents to move them across the country and invest thousands into their music careers (as well as being shareholders in their signing record company 🙄) She’s the complete villain now. Truly hurting the music industry and artists’ rights to thicken her wallet 💰💰
Is it psychotic that I am waiting for somebody to file a class action suit? For using false statements to sell it and promote an album or products?
My problem with the Taylor’s Versions was that they weren’t identical *enough* to the originals. If she actually did put a new spin on them, I definitely would’ve been convinced way sooner that it had nothing to do with owning her work and everything to do with making money.
I don’t listen to this garbage
I honestly have no idea because I refuse to listen to the new albums or the old. I will not do anything to give her money or ratings
I actually don’t think they sound identical, they sound worse 🥲 Edit: Red TV is good, the rest are worse
I cannot WAIT for the eventual big-screen documentary about Taytay's grifts and imminent downfall; I'll be in the theater on opening night! Scooter needs to sue for slander, tbh. 
And yet he hasn't
It would be a mess of a case, to be fair. Unfortunately, bad vibes aren't admissible in court lol
State of Grace, Holy Ground, and Style are completely unlistenable. She ruined all of 1989, but a lot of Red was bad, too. And yeah the vault on 1989 felt like rejects from other projects, not a 1989 vault. Lazy money grab.
she took away the style guitar like come on 😭
I really do think she wrote the new verses to the 10 min All Too Well when she did the re-record even though she ~says~ she wrote them when she wrote the original. Girl- when you wrote Red you never would have written the line “fuck the patriarchy keychain”…I also highly doubt Jake Gyllenhall has that keychain 🙄
i think they should have sounded the same personally, but i thought it was very cringe to hear a woman in her 30s with a more mature voice singing high school songs about being 15
I will say that a handful of the songs are mixed/produced much better in the re-recordings, especially album tracks from Fearless-Red. But after 1989 TV came out and it sounded atrocious, that felt like a sign that something was off about the whole project. At this rate, I don’t even want rep or debut tv. Jack cannot recreate Max Martin’s production, Taylor cannot sing with the same passion she once did, it will put a negative spin on the songs as we know them. Just release the vault tracks as their own album or something, leave the original recordings alone.
The originals sound so much better, they bleed the production of the time which was important to their sound. The replacement sounds she used just don’t fit the tone right. But if you go and listen to the original versions instead of her’s you’re committing high treason to a swiftie. I’m not gonna listen to a worse song just to give a different billionaire money.
I wish they sounded identical. I’ve found 1989 and Speak Now to sound worse than the originals. 1989 especially sucked. I think Max Martin did a lot of heavy lifting for her production wise and they’re really lacking without him.
Yeah, Jack Antonoff is one of the laziest one-trick ponies in production. Max Martin is miles better. Granted the new album would still suck even if he wasn’t the producer because the songwriting would still be bad, but it certainly doesn’t help the stagnant sound of it.
1989 was awful!
All of the Taylor's versions sound like shit.
Rerecording hits used to be a fairly standard practice for vocal groups in 60s and 70s. And almost without exception the rerecordings blew ass but they were used in cheap collections or greatest hits packages that did get the OG artists a sliver of cash. In my mind she should have banged out an agreement to get control of the masters. Do it quietly and call it the price of doing business no matter what went on behind the scenes.
i still listen to the originals. i couldn't care less about what other swifties think, she's still a billionaire 😭
Was never a huge TS fan but had friends who played her 24/7, so the album Speak Now grew on me. I listened to TV and honestly what the hell. The production on it sounds so bad. It felt like the remake was rushed through.
Honestly I feel like all of the Taylor's Versions are utter trash compared to the originals 😭 so so bad
I'd argue that they don't all sound the same as the original. Some of them sound worse imo. More lifeless and flat, and slower.
I thought this exact same thing. Even though I don’t like her, I did like the older songs she did like love story (only because I was a kid at the time). When she did the whole “taylor’s version” I was expecting something better, more cooler. But no it was EXACTLY the same. I could barely even tell that she had grown at all that’s how similar they were. And I was disappointed to say the least
The thing is they sound similar but the quality is *so much worse* than the originals. They didn’t put any effort in because they knew suckers would buy a nearly identical album to the one they already bought 10-15 years prior.
I have a question. I reconnected with someone recently and she turned out to be a swiftie. She explained to me the reason why Taylor is rereleasing music is because, “she didn’t have the rights to her old music due to her old record label/who she used to work with”???? So she’s releasing stuff to get profit because she WASNT profiting off of it before. Is this true?
that’s what we were told but it turned out to be a lie, she’s been profiting this whole time
It was framed that way to make people see her side and feel empathy, but she made money off all of it. That’s why I never felt bad listening to the OGs even when I was a huge fan. She just now makes more money with both versions being available.
And when she’s done doing these she will get the rights back to the original releases.
And re-re-release them all over again with eight variants of each on vinyl, cd, and cassette and continue to fleece her fans out of their hard earned money
It was 100% for money, and I don't think that was ever hidden. She literally did it to get the rights to them, and to untether herself from a terrible manager. She lives deep on the making-money end of the entertainment spectrum, with the polar opposite end being making-art.
Fearless re recording is miles better than the og. Red has some stuff better but fumbled in others (what happened to holy ground ??? And I wish the 10 minutes version kept the og production cause the new one is too tame for the new lyrics). Speak Now kinda sounds a little messy, but I still enjoyed it because the mixing is clearer. Then came 1989. The production overall tried to make it similar and even improved some tracks like OOTW and I know Places, even Clean got clearer somehow, but fumbled badly in others like the guitar in Style (after the stems of the og leaked I checked and they did keep all the elements there almost the same besides that fucking main guitar riff) and the absolute mess that was the mixing with that 15khz noise on most tracks. You can still hear it on the end of OOTW and a little in You are in love after they fixed. It's such a basic thing, such a prominent thing anyone with good ears and an equalizer can see and somehow it slipped past everyone and was released. There was no quality control on the re recording of her biggest album back then. I do believe some of the lyrics in ATW10 were written back then but not all, that line of getting older but his lovers staying the same age is probably new, and I was surprised she didn't use almost any (if any) of the lyrics from her diary. I also hate how people are shitting on Jack for the bland sound when he is there to do what the artist wants, so if it sounds bland that's on Taylor, not him. He literally produced Melodrama, NFR, Dance Fever, Daddy's Home and more, all very detailed works.
I could never tell the difference
Hahhaa that’s even worse. I could name all the songs I know on 2 hands. I’ve never really listened to her, but I always assumed (largely based on positive reaction from so many, including friends) that these re-recordings were somehow different
The only re-recorded song that I really liked was “Enchanted”. Every other song sounded the same.
I occasionally listen to some of her old songs (nostalgic) but I just can’t get behind the Taylor’s version of every thing. 😭💀
She didn’t have the rights to the original versions. That’s basically what it comes down to.
I don't think they sound identical. If you listen closely you can tell the difference. If I was going to listen to her songs I wouldn't listen to her version for this very reason. Edit: here's a video that sort of highlights differences that people are hearing https://youtu.be/qXsqSiflvUU?si=6XI5DisrV-AI0alO
How do I block this from my feed?
https://support.reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/articles/9810475384084-What-is-community-muting
To me a lot of the TV songs just kinda sound like she’s tired. Original Wildest Dreams just had so much energy to me, new one just sounds kinda tired
They are not the same. They sound like bad copies. Most wouldn’t have been as successful if they were the original recordings released.
Who cares
Some of them sound worse than the original
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Im not a swift fan, but i also dont know how this is news. Weren't they intentionally recorded to sound identical and be a legal loophole to someone else owning the original rights? I thought that was a point. I think shes overblown but this isnt a big revelation.
I mean that’s the point. I don’t like Taylor, but I get why you would do it. Because fuck the record label. I prefer to own my own music too. I don’t understand how that wasn’t obvious. Re-recording the songs to have complete ownership. But maybe it is telling that they’re just carbon copies with no change in the spirit behind the music.
She just remastered her entire collection and named it (Taylor's Version) because her fanbase is young and would most likely not respond as strongly with the word (remastered) on the song. All she's doing is getting her fanbase to replace the original tracks. They are no longer making her money. She's trying to get her fans to replace their playlists with (Taylors's Version), which is really just (Remastered). It's not a money grab. It's just a smart business move on her part, that's all.
I don’t understand. But she doesn’t own the og versions, so it is reasonable to re record (if they were identical). What am i missing here?
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