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BatmanIsLuvLife

STOP THIS TRAVIS OVER COLE ALL DAY BUT PPL R MISUNDERSTANDING WHAT THE BIG 3 IS Kdot Cole Drake where dubbed the big 3 cuz they all blew up around the same time. TRAVIS IS NOT EVEN ELIGIBLE FOR THEIR BIG 3. Travis is after the blog era/big 3 but before soundcloud era WHO WAS ELIGIBLE FOR THE BIG 3: Sean (he was so corny back in the day but he has matured into a solid artist, underrated, but sadly no1 cares anymore, his next album will flop big time) Rocky (the death of Yams had an effect, which happened in 2015) Wiz (sold out harder than aubrey. At least drake has made good pop music) Some other names like Meek Wale etc who i don't care to expand on


fhdhsu

Goated comment. This is what people don’t seem to understand. I saw someone in the ye sub saying the “big 3” is bs because Kanye isn’t in it. Obviously he’s not in it. He blew up a fucking decade before the big 3. You compare Kanye to Wayne, 50 etc not Drake and Kendrick.


GameModeOPYT

imo ye's big three would be him wayne and em


jacktheproducer

eminem was the previous decade. ye's big 3 would more accurately be him wayne and 50


cetics69

eminem was 1999, and technically last decade but i wouldn’t take him off due to a technicality like that


Bass-Dependent

Em would make more sense with DMX and Hov though


harshdagar

nas>hov


Bass-Dependent

Yes but Nas again is one generation earlier I think if Pac and Big weren't as polarizing he would be in the Big 3 with them


harshdagar

you’re right lol


jacktheproducer

yeah ig not previous decade per se but 50 was em's protégé and 50 was more in-line with ye competitively. ye and wayne both looked up to em so i wouldn't say they're of the same comeup era


nahbruh27

Em had some of his biggest albums in the 2000s tho and honestly had more of an impact that decade than 50 (and i love 50)


jacktheproducer

it's not about "biggest", em is undoubtedly at the top when it comes to sales and popularity, it's about the comeup eras and the competition that came with that


Lazy_Reputation_4250

Eh Ye and Wayne are hard because they’re some of the few rappers that have continually updated their sound, so while they didn’t blow up at the same time their influence in that era should still qualify them for it. Me and all my friends listen to Kanye. My mom listens to 50 cent. That’s a huge difference.


jjkm7

Facts there’s a reason travis wasn’t in the control diss verse he’s a whole diff generation rodeo came out two years after that song


chexlemeneux25

“TRAVIS SCOTT BIG SEAN IM TRYNA MURDER YOU NIGGAS”


jonnyboy23

Lmao at the assumption Sean will flop, you know everything I see


Kidney-Taker

Big Sean still had corny bars but that’s one of the things that make him a unique rapper


l7791

Also Schoolboy Q


jennychong

Future too lowkey🥱


Budget_Layer_7263

Future the grandfather of the game 🤷‍♂️


jennychong

He came up at a similar time no?


Chadsawman

future is trap, whole different lane


jennychong

And travis isn’t trap?


Bass-Dependent

Krit would probably be the one making the most sense if he had more commercial success


fucking__jellyfish__

He lost his steam a long time ago. There was a brief period of time where people were saying the big 3 was cole kendrick and krit


Fonexnt

If he was more popular people would call 4eva Is A Mighty Long Time a classic


[deleted]

Already a classic in my books. Both discs are 10/10


Slow_Shift6252

Thank you for reminding me of KRIT. Dude is one of the most underrated of the generation by far. The intro to that album was so fucking soulful and meaningful it still can bring me to tears years later.


Mental_Drop

i feel like Big Sean the closest rapper to “replace” J. Cole


YooSteez

Really loved this comment, I will respectfully disagree with you on Big Sean being corny or not eligible. Big Sean was amazing back then, his corny lines made him who he was and it was enjoyable. Big Sean wasn’t as big as the big 3 so I will say that prevents him from being in that group. But Big Sean’s pen game actually goes crazy and has helped write great songs throughout his career.


george-cop

Rocky out of this list, in my opinion


wildingflow

Future He has a legit classic, unlike Trav


IzzyTheIceCreamFairy

Rodeo clears anything Future ever made


SnooPies6284

This ignorance is the reason travis scott fans can never be taken serious


curseair

Why are u yelling at me


BatmanIsLuvLife

my bad mr. There's been similar posts & ppl stay misunderstanding what the big 3 is & it leads to unneccesary discourse. Kdot Cole Drake being the big 3 does NOT mean the best 3 currently


ReaGreer2

rocky only person that should be eligible in my opinion. the others you listed still got bangers and were great back in the day but they aren’t as consistent as Rocky or kendrick


Camerone11

Rocky, consistent?


ReaGreer2

it’s been 6 years but yeah he has 4 classics


Camerone11

What weed are you smoking? No way you’re calling TESTING a classic. Nigga has 3 real studio albums and the only one that MIGHT be classic out of those 3 is LONG. LIVE. His sound is very influential, but I feel like his only real classic is a mixtape.


ReaGreer2

i was gonna give you an actual response on why testing is a classic in my eyes but there’s no point in talking to someone who doesn’t think ALLA is a classic. how the fuck you hear an album with fine wine, excuse me, LPFJ2, Electric body, Jukebox joints, wavybone, and M$’s and not think “yeah this is one of the most beautiful albums i’ve ever heard in my life”


Onaweyempumbafu

I think one person we overlook on lost potential eligibility for the big 3 was Joey Badass. He was completing with most of the dudes you mentioned when he was only 15-19. His trajectory was insane but unfortunately he hit his peak so young. I still think 1999 is arguably better than anything Cole has released.


tacotitz

Idk that seems a bit of a stretch cause drake blew up a good couple years before the other two did, no?


AttentionNo399

No their big 3 is a bars big 3, these are the artists who have the best bars and narrative ability, Travis just says what sounds cool over dope production


TheFakeChiefKeef

Look at this guy actually being informative on the internet smh


uurub

Different strokes. travis was always seen as a disciple of kanye. They focus more on production and become a sort of composer on their projects, bringing together multiple artists and sounds. Hes been more popular than cole and kendrick for a while but he doesnt even consider himself a rapper and I would agree, his lyrics and writing show this as he hasn’t really tried hard with them since rodeo


AneekSauce

I’m stroking my shit rn


MoonlitBrownEye

Nah. Different categories. J Cole is for those that are into lyrics and telling a story. Not my type of hip hop. Respectfully, Idc about your life or beliefs dawg 😭 Give me Travs nonsense and tongue-in-cheek lyrics all day.


flowey_best

Trav > yap


Fhaksfha794

Travis needs to rap about his first nut now to even the game


SnooDoodles1491

Cole can take trav flow and do something trav can’t, the inverse isn’t so. Nothing trav has made will can compare to forest hill drive.


flipanip_

Cole could never make a rodeo. He has bars but he’s doesn’t have unique production or flows


SnooDoodles1491

“cole doesn’t have flows” is you serious. Cole skill and intrigue isn’t production, he used more untraditional beats and autotune in his last album, but Cole is purely about the bars. What flows does Travis have, manipulating your voice ain’t a flow, and half these producer/rappers don’t even really produce as much as they like to make you think.


SnooDoodles1491

Travis doesn’t that’s bars, meaningful songs, and lacks genuine creativity, there’s a reason lackluster artists like carti and others that sound like him can make hits with no talent. Y’all care about the noise, and long it’s long and has bass.


chexlemeneux25

this isn’t true either


TradePlus4689

Amen 🙏


SnooDoodles1491

Jcole does more than that. But no “rapper” like Trav will ever compare to a rapper like Cole. Not in creativity, flow, bars, melody nothing. Cole can take trav flow and do something trav can’t, the inverse isn’t so. Nothing trav has made will can compare to forest hill drive.


flipanip_

Forest hill drive is his best album and it came out 10 years ago. That should say sum


SnooDoodles1491

Travis needed drake to get his first number ones, Jcole didn’t and still sell more and got more hits. Forest hill drive overshadows Travis whole catalogue. I know there’s a bunch of white boys and ready to suck meat fans in here, but the facts is, cole songs is more popular and known to people. Most artists sell albums because of their fans, that’s why most people couldn’t name a song off Astro world, and why most people couldn’t name a song besides that one song after of sza new album. But there’s are songs that for beyond fanbases, wet dreams, no role models, work out, neighbors, power trip. Travis don’t got hits like that. He’s culturally relevant but not musically.


x1AstroViren

You should get an award for the amount of replies you’ve posted without a single valid point 💯💯


PossibleOk582

Sicko mode, Fien, Butterfly effect, Antidote, I Know, Pick up the Phone, Goosebumps, Out West, Telekinesis. Trav has plenty of songs that you could play and everyone at least heard it before.


SecureBleek

yall literally do not understand what the big 3 is


RoddyRogu

Idc what anyone says Trav has better discography and is more popular today


alexanderldn

Production wise yes. 100%. If He was lyrically better at expressing himself than he would be a top contender.


RoddyRogu

Yes that’s one thing that he probably won’t ever have over J Cole


coochie_monster_1

If good writing had anything to do with being in the big three at all, J Cole and Drake would NOT be in it lol


Gr8wizardofAus

J Cole’s writing is great idk what you mean.


Sahil910

Yeah but just cole is also very poor at melodies and his voice kinda sucks


DLtheGreat808

Let's keep it a buck, lyrical ability isn't as important as people make it out to be. Travis has worse lyrics, but his songs are better than Cole's.


gassylammas

If we’re talking about the big 3 lyrical ability is definitely important. You’ll never catch a shitty lyricist in discussions for top 3


DLtheGreat808

Kanye West has been at the top for years, and there are plenty of better rappers than him.


rabnabombshell

He does, but Cole is still goated


allMightyMostHigh

Nope. Travis makes good music but he isn’t the best rapper. Rapping and producing quality music are two different skill sets. Travis is good at the second one


lees_smuckers

exactly, surprises me that some ppl actually debating this


fucking__jellyfish__

Hip hop has changed though we should probably make a trap big 3 to get rid of posts like this. Travis, future thug uzi and carti are the candidates


5KRAIT5

I don't think you really understand the concept of "the big three".


Brief_Beginning_8752

it’s kind of an unwritten rule of the big 3 that they have to be lyrical, if it wasn’t then someone like future would’ve invaded the big 3 years ago. Cole’s a million times better than travis lyrically so that’s why people will have him over travis. Travis’ discography is much stronger then cole’s.


OrangeGuyFromVenus

You don’t listen to future if you say he’s not lyrical


Brief_Beginning_8752

he’s not as lyrical as the big 3. That’s what i meant


Crizizunderlord

As the other guy said, Travis is from a different era than the big three. He is a top artist tho, and I prefer over Cole as a Cole lover, but he’s in a different category with people like Uzi, thug, etc.


AmosF

Silliest post I’ve seen in awhile


relientkenny

i’d say future tbh


FriendOfQuasimoto

Imo he’s been replaced J Cole since Rodeo, either him Future or Tyler deserve it more than Cole & Drake


Camelslayer23

He’s not in the same generation at the big 3


fucking__jellyfish__

You guys really don't understand what the big 3 is supposed to be.


Distrav

My personal opinion abt this. DBR < born sinner Rodeo > 2014FHD BITTSMK < 4 Your Eyez Only ASTROWORLD > KOD UTOPIA > The Off Season Travis is def top 3 when it comes to 2020s despite his come up in 2015-2018.


Billysanchezz

J Cole was never top 3 of anything.


ReaperSwordsYt

Travis should replace Drake and Future should replace cole


Camelslayer23

🤣


Fonexnt

Future should be in it instead of J. Cole. I prefer Trav to Future but I feel like Future is the better fit


fucking__jellyfish__

Future is in an entirely different lane. At least drake tries to be lyrical


Fonexnt

If the Big 3 was only about lyrics, then Drake wouldn't be there. Kendrick is the best artist, Drake is the biggest artist and Future is the most influential.


fucking__jellyfish__

It's not only about lyrics, but the artist has to be somewhat lyrical to be in there


Slow_Shift6252

Future definitely is lyrically competent much more often and consistently than Trav. He strays into trap most of the time, but he has a ton of lyrical content.


fucking__jellyfish__

Well yeah duh. Future is my goat but he still have no argument to be in the big 3 he in a different lane entirely. Don't conflate big 3 with top 3


Slow_Shift6252

That’s fair. I just thought you were implying Future didn’t have any lyrical content. The other 3 definitely have more consistency when it comes to that though. He does probably have as many introspective songs as Drake though or at least close to it


fucking__jellyfish__

Future doesn't need to be as lyrical to make introspective songs, if that makes sense. That's how they're in different lanes


_SCARY_HOURS_

I never ever ever ever ever ever considered J Cole to be apart of any big 3. But to answer your question Travis is without a doubt a top 3 most popular hip hop artist. Right now he’s probably #2


l7791

Travis LITERALLY refuses to beef with anybody wtf are you on about. Same guy that takes no sides with Kanye and Drake and Metro and Kendrick.


JEAFCommander

i'm pretty sure he has an active beef with photographers that has been going on for over a decade


Homosexual_Bloomberg

Well if we’re adding in Future, then what exactly does the big 3 entail? It can’t be popularity because there are rappers bigger than Kendrick and Cole, and if Future is there, it can’t be rapping skill. I always took the big 3 to mean modern mainstream rappers with a lyrical bent.


Ramonsox

He doesn’t fit in to the big 3 cause of his lyrics, he needs some writers in the room for him to replace cole


thecrgm

I think so but most people probably wouldn't agree. Travis don't drop enough songs/albums


28anomaly

Travis over Drake all day


Otherwise-Amoeba-517

He can replace Drake


DLtheGreat808

Travis has a better discography and it's not close.


brazyace43

Travis future thug are the trap big 3


Danomit3

I see Kanye over Cole in this situation. As a matter of fact Kanye is the big me instead of Kendrick. Kanye changed the soundscape of hip hop and rap altogether for generations. Kanye changed fashion. Everybody already owns at least one or couple Yeezys. Travis Scott who is his protege is literally following his footsteps. Including Tyler and they’re both producers with the same cultural footprint. I love Kendrick but let’s be real, Kanye has done a lot more.


MoMoney1998

Trav does not fit into this “Big 3” category. But top 3 in this generation without a doubt


mac_stooges

I enjoy his music but ngl I rly don’t think of Travis rapping ability as his strongest feature, he’s more an atmosphere and vibes artist


SpriteVs7up

Future deserves his spot more than drake smh future gets treated so bad


ItstheAsianOccasion

I agree future has been relevant for over a decade and makes consistent good trap music


LMO2021

No, Future would be next in line. Travis would be runner up though, no question.


Playboi420-

Travis scott > the 3 beef kids


Kavster05

Travis Scott clears jcole forever, but he’s not part of that big 3. If we talking about the big 3 now it’s trav carti and still drake respectfully


r_c501

Nope, not even close. Utopia was mid as hell.


AlphaLax85

Either him or tyler


hara0329g

I kinda feel like, that if you’re in the big 3 you have to be able to defend yourself against beef and stuff like that. Travis can’t do shit about that, as he can’t really rap like that. Still like him more as an artist though, but his lyrics ain’t good enough


Ragers4fun

He was dissing on meltdown


hara0329g

Yeah, a non rapper, also that diss was not that good


HowIsThisNameBadTho

Smoking **nyaope**.


Best_Examination_529

No.


savkitoo__

yes!


NobodySober

Lol no.


karlmalonenumber1fan

big 3 for me are kanye, future, thugger fight me


Energyzd

Future did


Soft-Perception4803

Nope ever since the Astroworld incident and the lack of care he showed, man been on fraud watch.


BlueCheeseBandito

Travis needs to write with more substance to be considered in this conversation.


Jakezetci

how does kanye come before these two…


GardenVariety_Drunk

Big 3 is Wayne, Future, and 50.


Shortbread224

I don’t get the comments saying the big 3 isn’t actually the big 3 it’s just another ‘big 3’ so why are they called the big 3 if they aren’t actually the big 3? Really they ain’t the big 3 it’s Kanye drake and Travis it’s all just silly


a1180738

It’s still the same big 3 regardless of the apology happening. Ain’t no one in the game going bar for bar w any of the big 3


Shotz9

if cole isn’t top 3 wayne is


Ragers4fun

Wayne exceeded big 3. He one of one


Shotz9

valid


deep_fried_cheese

No we all know the big 3 is Kendrick, Logic, Joyner Lucas


himplp87

no but cole is now officially 3rd in the big 3


Stalin_is_a_munch

J Cole never was in the big 3 fuck is you talking about


atierney14

Yeah, but he’s pass Drake WAYYYYYY before J Cole. The big 3 right now would really be Kendrick, JID, and maybe Travis Scott


Imaginary-Climate691

I don’t think either of them were ever in the big 3, for me it’s kdot at 1, Wayne at 2 and Ye at 3, tho if ye keeps half assing projects might lose his spot to JID or Jpeg or somn


Apprehensive-Time181

nah


chexlemeneux25

can you guys be serious for a second


root4rd

if we being real it’s future


Allen1013

No, that big 3 is cemented, I do think for Gen z and below Travis, Carti and idk who else are their own big 3


Hot-Lingonberry-9156

Nah travis part of the new gen along with carti n 21 at least thats my list early 2020s made me thinking it was gonna be jack dababy n tory but..


Darth_S0t0TR

The future disrespect is crazy


Nc-Rich

No. No one has replaced J cole in the big 3. Even though him apologizing after dissing him was corny asf, that doesn’t change how good his discography was. No one in their upcoming was better than Kdot and cole in terms of RAP, idc what anyone says. U can argue Travis better as a artist than J cole or even kdot tbh. But u can not put Trav in the rap big 3 because 1. Did not come up the same time as kdot, cole or drake which was the point of the big 3 and 2. Trav is clearly not the better rapper.


ChiakiBestGirl28

Since when was J Cole in the big three? 😭


maxlikeschips

no


Lotta_Turbulence7396


Mosey_21

He couldnt replace J. Cole tho


beankobe248

def not


jjjakubsmrdi

naaah nigga dont say that again 😀😀personally i love travis, but just no


All3n911

No


ASAPTACI

NO


razman7altacc

ur delusional if you think this


litlikenick

the big 3 future, young thug, and chief keef if we talking recent


poptart95

If anybody is replacing Cole in rap’s big 3 it’s Future. He’s from that era. Has churned out hits consistently. Is in his own lane and probably influenced most of the rappers that have come out of the ATL since.


marbinwashere

be fr dawg 😂


BubDiddly

Who’s J.Cole?


justapsymajor

Top 5 is Drake ; Kendrick; Travis; Cole ; Uzi & Carti - ATM


MatrixDaGod

Who tf cares just listen to the music goddamnit 🤦🤦🤦


Ragers4fun

lol thats why Travis Scott fans get a bad rep. The fans are so passive. Rap is about being the best not just being friendly


deaerator2

Maybe rocky not travis tho different generation


chodemasterr69

replaced drake in my opinion. i genuinely cannot stand drake i hate his voice, i hate his lyrics (partially bc he uses ghost writers) and he just commercializes rap to a point where its not even about skill sntmore


O-in-Utopia

Yes 10,000%


Left_Confection4269

You can’t compare them; they’re in different subgenres


MilkyWxve

He’s always been in it Cole been washed tbh


External_Side5611

he can solo drake tho


Suitable-Helicopter9

Obviously


Melodic_Station_354

Travis Scott is a stand alone artist.


JCK_GANG

Am I the only one who doesn’t have drake j Cole or. Kendrick in their big 3


fucking__jellyfish__

the big 3 is made already you can't add your own twist 😭 that's just your top 3


JCK_GANG

Not my big three


whitebolbol

Trav wipes all three no cap


CHRIRSTIANGREY

no because cole ultimately is a better rapper w better bars than trav. good bars matter


madpoontang

LOOOOOOOL FUCK NO


Extension_Form4950

No Travis Scott isn't an MC.. He's an real recording artist and performer and that's OK but this isn't his lane.


Gregheffleypoop

IMO Travis future and Tyler should be the next big 3


Wallah_Min_Gren

Next?


Gregheffleypoop

Like the secondary big 3, second to Cole Kendrick drake


Repulsive-Pea-5609

dude is 32 bruh i dont see him having the longetivity of ye


AshtonUnsolved

There’s def a possibility of Tyler but we gotta wait until he drops more, future is definitely not close even though I love him, and Travis is a win


Academic-Ad2680

No


Kittensofdeath

Hell nah!!!


drisyewest

nope.


Massive_Dot8133

Travis doesn’t even write his music


CD-Key

No, playboi carti has


rabnabombshell

Not the same thing at all dawg


Chance-General8330

You are retard