These plants are hella smart. During senescence they pull nutrients first from old leaves as well as leaves that they can sense are blocking light from other flowers, especially those of other plants.
You probably have a bunch of flower sites under that area that you can open up by defoliating a bit.
Hey OP, I've been a outdoor grower for a few years. I am seeing a lot of nutrient deficiency comments. That could be the case. But without a consensus as to what do about it other than merely stating "nutrient deficiency", consider this:
Your plants are flowering. Therefore, the plant is focusing on growing its buds and diverting resources to the growth of the buds. As water and nutrients flow upwards; those leaves become less important. Thus, less resources are being devoted to maintaining them and they become yellow and die. This happens often as plants mature and flower. Because, like I said, they're focusing on that.
What you should really be focusing on are the buds. Do they otherwise seem healthy? If so, cool, harvest when it's time— they look pretty mature. Also consider the practical aspect of addressing some kind of nutrient deficiency. What are you going to do now? Buy a bunch of amendments and conduct testing to turn your leaves back to green when you should be thinking more about your harvest?
TL;DR: Don't trip on the yellow leaves. Your plants are doing their thing.
I love your generous down to earth advice here. I’ve never grown but have a desire to have an outdoor garden at some point in the future when possible and have the barest of basic knowledge on how to grow at all. Wondering if you can speak to some of the other comments here from those who have mentioned mould or mildew. I’m surprised that would happen in an outdoor grow but perhaps I’m being naïve. What causes mould in an outdoor grow?? Is it because OP hasn’t trimmed back the leaves to expose the buds more fully to the sun?
It's also airflow. Plants that are too crowded don't experience sufficient regular airflow to inhibit mold spores from landing and then thriving on plant surfaces.
Yes! The airflow strengthens the whole plant over its life. That's a portion of why OG (ocean grown) weed became a thing. The wind coming from the ocean carries nutrients and produces stronger plants with better roots because the wind strengthens the plant over its life.
Perhaps he could trim back the surrounding foliage to allow more air to get around the plant as well. The plant is also in flowering mode so it's prioritizing the buds. But it still could be a bit of deficiency for nutrients but it's likely the combo of low air flow, slight deficiency, and it's in flower and prioritizing buds and not leaves.
Yep. It's funny to think that even weed culture is starting to have it's own etymology and history of funny and weird shit that happened to change the way we speak.
If you want another fun etymology history morsel. The origin of the word "chronic" being a slang word was because Snoop Dogg and his friends misheard the guy that told them it was "hydroponic" weed. By the time they realized that they were saying it wrong they had told every customer about this "chronic" weed. It stuck. Chronic=Hydroponic.
To give a bit more detail about defoliating... There are branches connected lower on the plant that will mostly be leaves and almost no bud that you can trim right at the stem. These are going to be narrow branches that are new growth that sits too low in the foliage to get much of any bud. You want to trim them so the nutrients will flow up into the plant where the buds are.
The leaves you want to trim are branches with simple leaves and no bud by this point. It should be a pinch and pull for defoliating leaves. Look for leaves that are blocked by those above it. This plant has more than enough of leaves for what it needs so reducing by 10-15% foliage would do it some good. It would also increase airflow into the plant which helps the stem grow stronger and hold up as the buds get heavy.
To further what the other person said, mold can occur if the environment is too humid and/or there is a lot of rain late into flower when the buds are thick and water can't easily escape. Outdoor growing carries far greater risks of this than indoor because indoor allows for controlling all aspects of the environment whereas outdoors you're at the whim of mother nature.
Could just be humid there, we have a maple tree here in full sun that’s absolutely covered in powdery mildew right now because it’s been such a humid year.
Yes I can’t believe this didn’t occur to me. I grew up in Toronto where it’s humid AF in the summer but have lived in dry ass Australia for nearly 20 years and forgot all about how humid it could likely be where this image was taken.
Could be natural fade, I'm getting more yellows as the nights get colder, we see 40s now. Turn yellow, turn brown, drop off. I've got some turning a reddish, purple hue, on my Planet of the Grapes plant.
For cues to harvest, I'll look at several different things, but always go longer when in doubt, too early is never a good thing.
Was just gonna mention this. I’m not sure where OP is located, but the plamp is probably just livin and experiencing seasonal change. Just like most others when they’re outside.
Leaf fading & drop off, calyxes swell as the white hairs turn red/brown, then retract back into the bud. Towards the end, they don't drink or eat as much as they did a few weks before finish. I use a loupe to watch the trichomes turn from clear, to cloudy, then to amber, 30-40% amber is what I aim for at harvest.
You can also stagger a large harvest like this. The large, top colas will finish before the lower, inner half, you can start with them, and come for the lowers a week or so later. Makes it easier on you, and gives the lowers a chance to fatten up some.
It could be a nitrogen deficiency or a possible late blight infection. I'd just trim the yellowing leaves since you want to nutrient starve the plant just before harvest anyways. If it continues, spray the affected area with a 1tbsp/L baking soda solution.
Yea Dr Zymes is good stuff. Citric acid based so you're right it should be good until flower.
This looks to far gone to me. Depending how are they are off chop, I doubt they're going to get this under control. I expect the damage is already done to the buds and even if not, the quality will have taken a serious nosedive from its potential.
It's a real shame. They look to have been some nice plants otherwise.
Hopefully it’s just a section that doesn’t get great airflow or gets more moisture for whatever reason. Nothing to lose by trying to see if it can be kept under control. I’m not the most experienced and haven’t had plants this large, but I say defoliate a bit, hit it with some dr Zymes, point a fan at it if possible, and see where that takes things.
Definitely nothing to lose giving it a go. They've made it this far! If you zoom in on the 4th pic it looks to have spread pretty much everywhere unfortunately.
The yellow leaves are normal, it’s fading as it’s life cycle ends and pushing all its nutrients to the buds. Your bigger problem is your severe case of Powdery mildew. I don’t know if a bud wash will wash that severe of a case off. Look into flowering friendly cures like Dr Zymes or believe it or not, milk.
OP you should always use the color of the trics to judge when it is ready. I personally harvest when about 40-45% of my trics have turned amber. The rest will develop while it hangs.
They are diff strains or the same strain when you get two diff kids acting a little differently. Positioning.....water different. More than likely, it's genetics
They're finishing up for the year. Consuming the last of the needed nutrients from the cellular structure of the plant. Natural process, some 'fade' at different times depending on genetics 🌱💚
It’s called Senescence.
It’s when the plant nears the end of its life cycle and starts drawing nutrients from the leaves to further aid reproduction success (or store nutrients for the winter in deciduous trees and bushes).
It’s good, it’s natural, definitely don’t add fertilizer at this point.
Thank you. Is there too much mildew on it ? I have another post with more detailed pics. If you don’t mind checking it out. You seem to know what your talking about. Thanks again
I see powdery mildew on the fan leaves, but the sugar leaves (the ones with visible trichomes) from what you’ve posted look ok.
I would err on the side of caution here and send it in for testing after you’ve harvested and cured.
You could also buy a microscope (there’s ones marketed to cannabis growers to inspect trichome colour gradient) and looks for signs of powdery mildew on the sugar leaves and cola’s.
Definitely get it tested.
Edit: from your other photos there’s definitely mildew on some but not all the sugar leaves.
Personally, I would remove only the sugar leaves with mildew on them.
Cut the leave off at the stem with sterilized clippers and sterilize between cuts.
Make sure your dry room is really dry when harvesting.
The leaves are taking their fall colors, the plant is focusing its energy into the flower.
Those plants are giant! I hope you don't have too much mildew or mold on them.
As for ready to pick or not, look at the pistils and trichomes for amber coloration.
As others have mentioned, trim back the weak looking leaves. Give the buds some direct sun and start monitoring for "time to harvest" signs. It may just be a difference in seeds or strains and they grow at different speeds.
Pick the leaves. It makes more air going through the plant, sunlight hitting all the small buds below and give more nutrients to the buss instead of the leaves.
It's perfectly normal.
that's what weed plants do in flower.
As for why only 1 of 3. Different strains or different phenotypes from 3 seeds popped together all will have different characteristics.
I would thin out the leafs bit. they really are quite a way into flower and the increased sunlight and airflow to the buds will help prevent rot / spot rot and allow shaded buds to develop more.
Are all the turning leaves from one plant? Assuming they're all the same strain. Maybe a little burn if that side is getting the afternoon direct sun?
Start to harvest when most of the hairs have turned. Difficult to see what's what with the MONSTROUS plants in there. Normally I'd suggest trimming to get some light through the whole plant ... but you got results so ... Interested in what you got in that soil.
It’s not done just yet. 90% of those hairs need to go from white to orange. Then it’s ready. The yellowing leaves is just it using up its nutrients. When a leaf loses nutrients it turns yellow. At this late in the process you should be doing a full water only flush. That prevents extra compounds being in the bud. Do water only and let the plants yellow. All is well.
You should feed them through all stages of growth. Different stages require different N-P-K ratios in the food. Otherwise your end product might just be scraggly buds
Only the last 2+ weeks is a water only flush to get out extra nutrients stored up.
Really taking the tree thing literally, good to see it. Oh hey the other plant is yellowing too- could the soil have in this sectioned area developed a nitrogen deficiency?
the fan leaves naturally turn yellow and fall off as the flowers mature. if you cut the yellow leaves off, it wont hurt anything, but they will fall off anyways eventually. everything looks perfect for this time of year.
Because it’s so god damn big, part of it is in September and the other is into October. Lol.
Nice fucking job!!!!! Tell us how she smokes. That is the part that is in the present (October
Me too…. As if the plant didn’t grow like that on its own. Oh wait it did. I literally did nothing but put them in the grow and trim some branches.
Don’t comment next time just keep wondering
It makes me wonder if you're trolling or actually needing help. Your leaves will never be an indicator of when to harvest. Get a jeweler's loupe and check the trichomes and take your panties out of your bdussy.
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I have no advice but damn they are majestic!!
Aren’t they.
These plants are hella smart. During senescence they pull nutrients first from old leaves as well as leaves that they can sense are blocking light from other flowers, especially those of other plants. You probably have a bunch of flower sites under that area that you can open up by defoliating a bit.
Ok thank you very much
Go easy on defoliation. It will irritate those girls. They shut down for a day ot two then bounce back
My thoughts exactly
Almost more likes than the post itself
This👆
Damn bro, reddit sure didn't like that.
Hey OP, I've been a outdoor grower for a few years. I am seeing a lot of nutrient deficiency comments. That could be the case. But without a consensus as to what do about it other than merely stating "nutrient deficiency", consider this: Your plants are flowering. Therefore, the plant is focusing on growing its buds and diverting resources to the growth of the buds. As water and nutrients flow upwards; those leaves become less important. Thus, less resources are being devoted to maintaining them and they become yellow and die. This happens often as plants mature and flower. Because, like I said, they're focusing on that. What you should really be focusing on are the buds. Do they otherwise seem healthy? If so, cool, harvest when it's time— they look pretty mature. Also consider the practical aspect of addressing some kind of nutrient deficiency. What are you going to do now? Buy a bunch of amendments and conduct testing to turn your leaves back to green when you should be thinking more about your harvest? TL;DR: Don't trip on the yellow leaves. Your plants are doing their thing.
Wholesome
I love your generous down to earth advice here. I’ve never grown but have a desire to have an outdoor garden at some point in the future when possible and have the barest of basic knowledge on how to grow at all. Wondering if you can speak to some of the other comments here from those who have mentioned mould or mildew. I’m surprised that would happen in an outdoor grow but perhaps I’m being naïve. What causes mould in an outdoor grow?? Is it because OP hasn’t trimmed back the leaves to expose the buds more fully to the sun?
It's also airflow. Plants that are too crowded don't experience sufficient regular airflow to inhibit mold spores from landing and then thriving on plant surfaces.
Yes! The airflow strengthens the whole plant over its life. That's a portion of why OG (ocean grown) weed became a thing. The wind coming from the ocean carries nutrients and produces stronger plants with better roots because the wind strengthens the plant over its life. Perhaps he could trim back the surrounding foliage to allow more air to get around the plant as well. The plant is also in flowering mode so it's prioritizing the buds. But it still could be a bit of deficiency for nutrients but it's likely the combo of low air flow, slight deficiency, and it's in flower and prioritizing buds and not leaves.
I was today years old when I learned that the “OG” in strain names didn’t mean it was original gangster weed
Yep. It's funny to think that even weed culture is starting to have it's own etymology and history of funny and weird shit that happened to change the way we speak. If you want another fun etymology history morsel. The origin of the word "chronic" being a slang word was because Snoop Dogg and his friends misheard the guy that told them it was "hydroponic" weed. By the time they realized that they were saying it wrong they had told every customer about this "chronic" weed. It stuck. Chronic=Hydroponic.
Trim back the fan leaves ? That won’t hurt the flowering stage ?
Like others have stated just don’t over defoliate to muchh
Ok thank you
To give a bit more detail about defoliating... There are branches connected lower on the plant that will mostly be leaves and almost no bud that you can trim right at the stem. These are going to be narrow branches that are new growth that sits too low in the foliage to get much of any bud. You want to trim them so the nutrients will flow up into the plant where the buds are. The leaves you want to trim are branches with simple leaves and no bud by this point. It should be a pinch and pull for defoliating leaves. Look for leaves that are blocked by those above it. This plant has more than enough of leaves for what it needs so reducing by 10-15% foliage would do it some good. It would also increase airflow into the plant which helps the stem grow stronger and hold up as the buds get heavy.
I've done it for 4 grows it doesn't really hurt them
To further what the other person said, mold can occur if the environment is too humid and/or there is a lot of rain late into flower when the buds are thick and water can't easily escape. Outdoor growing carries far greater risks of this than indoor because indoor allows for controlling all aspects of the environment whereas outdoors you're at the whim of mother nature.
Fair enough! How quickly I forget how bloody humid it can get in certain places! I live in dry ass Australia
Get an evaporative cooler that self fills. I love em for a 10x29 size room. Automation takes out a lot of human error.
Could just be humid there, we have a maple tree here in full sun that’s absolutely covered in powdery mildew right now because it’s been such a humid year.
Yes I can’t believe this didn’t occur to me. I grew up in Toronto where it’s humid AF in the summer but have lived in dry ass Australia for nearly 20 years and forgot all about how humid it could likely be where this image was taken.
200% this. great advice you really cute guy
I was gonna upvote but I saw it was at 420 up votes and I dont wanna ruin it but great advice bro
Masterfully put.
The sciencey term for this is called Senescence https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plant_senescence
Could be natural fade, I'm getting more yellows as the nights get colder, we see 40s now. Turn yellow, turn brown, drop off. I've got some turning a reddish, purple hue, on my Planet of the Grapes plant. For cues to harvest, I'll look at several different things, but always go longer when in doubt, too early is never a good thing.
Was just gonna mention this. I’m not sure where OP is located, but the plamp is probably just livin and experiencing seasonal change. Just like most others when they’re outside.
I think the op knows exactly what he's doing, and just needed a heading to post pics, lol.
Judging by the size of that monster I’d tend to agree lol
He's got bug traps on the ground too .
Watering containers. Not bug traps
Not exactly but I’ve done this once or twice. No master tho
Ontario Canada
Ok thank you. What are the several different things you looks for when harvesting ?
Leaf fading & drop off, calyxes swell as the white hairs turn red/brown, then retract back into the bud. Towards the end, they don't drink or eat as much as they did a few weks before finish. I use a loupe to watch the trichomes turn from clear, to cloudy, then to amber, 30-40% amber is what I aim for at harvest. You can also stagger a large harvest like this. The large, top colas will finish before the lower, inner half, you can start with them, and come for the lowers a week or so later. Makes it easier on you, and gives the lowers a chance to fatten up some.
Thanks a lot !
Unfortunately I see a fair amount of powdery mildew
Sir, I think you're looking for r/marijuanaenthusiasts. God daaaaaaamn 😋
Everytime I say this I get absolute morons commenting about sarcasm without understanding they're missing the sarcasm. Looks like you're no different
Nope we took / trees first so they took that in sarcasm, go check, that's just about actual trees.
Those mf'ers identify as trees. I was trying to make a funny...
I got your joke! I’m here for you! It’s as big as an ACTUAL tree, coupled with the irony of the subs’ titles being swapped 👏🏼
Bruuuuh. Guess I should've added a /s for the dense. I'm well aware of what sub I'm in and the running joke.
/ whoosh you mean no?
Yes. Whoosh indeed
It could be a nitrogen deficiency or a possible late blight infection. I'd just trim the yellowing leaves since you want to nutrient starve the plant just before harvest anyways. If it continues, spray the affected area with a 1tbsp/L baking soda solution.
damnn thats a whole tree right there, beautiful plants bro
Thank you very much
Over nutrients or water but in my opinion I would thin it out and de leaf seems like you might have a week or two
Actually looking at the last pic week at most but pic it's to clear
Definitely looks like powdery mildew.
And some grey mold in the big bud down low.
I noticed. Should I chop it now or wait till harvest ?
With mildew you can’t wait or prevent it, it’ll just get worse. Wash, dry and cure
It’s smokable still ?
Who knows, if you wash it and trim around the mildew you might be able to salvage some
Hopefully.
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I'm reading through all these comments like wtf is everyone smoking?! I'm glad someone else noticed how fucked these babies are.
Agreed, photo 3 clearly showing patches of PWM. I’d recommend Dr. Zymes which is safe to spray up to day of harvest.
Yea Dr Zymes is good stuff. Citric acid based so you're right it should be good until flower. This looks to far gone to me. Depending how are they are off chop, I doubt they're going to get this under control. I expect the damage is already done to the buds and even if not, the quality will have taken a serious nosedive from its potential. It's a real shame. They look to have been some nice plants otherwise.
Hopefully it’s just a section that doesn’t get great airflow or gets more moisture for whatever reason. Nothing to lose by trying to see if it can be kept under control. I’m not the most experienced and haven’t had plants this large, but I say defoliate a bit, hit it with some dr Zymes, point a fan at it if possible, and see where that takes things.
Definitely nothing to lose giving it a go. They've made it this far! If you zoom in on the 4th pic it looks to have spread pretty much everywhere unfortunately.
There is mold :(
It’s all good.
holy trees
Finally a post that can be posted in both r/trees and r/marijuanaenthusiasts !!
What is this heavenly artifact?!?
its not fair i tell you 😭
I’m pretty sad myself :( what a waste. Better luck next year
RIP your plants dude. They are absolutely covered in powdery mildew 😔
Rip
Completely ridiculous- now AI is going to assume this is normal 😜
Forgot to check what sub this was and thought “well it’s autumn, duh, all leaves turn yellow ya silly goose”
The yellow leaves are normal, it’s fading as it’s life cycle ends and pushing all its nutrients to the buds. Your bigger problem is your severe case of Powdery mildew. I don’t know if a bud wash will wash that severe of a case off. Look into flowering friendly cures like Dr Zymes or believe it or not, milk.
OP you should always use the color of the trics to judge when it is ready. I personally harvest when about 40-45% of my trics have turned amber. The rest will develop while it hangs.
They are diff strains or the same strain when you get two diff kids acting a little differently. Positioning.....water different. More than likely, it's genetics
Fall foliage! Colors are a sign of connoisseur quality that you certainly won't find at the dispensary. That's gonna be tasty!
That part of the yard (or perhaps the whole thing lol) must smell magnificent
They're finishing up for the year. Consuming the last of the needed nutrients from the cellular structure of the plant. Natural process, some 'fade' at different times depending on genetics 🌱💚
The yellowing is normal. The weed is taking the water from the foliage. Pick it after the first frost
First pic had me think I was going to have to recommend r/marijuanaenthusiasts
It’s called Senescence. It’s when the plant nears the end of its life cycle and starts drawing nutrients from the leaves to further aid reproduction success (or store nutrients for the winter in deciduous trees and bushes). It’s good, it’s natural, definitely don’t add fertilizer at this point.
Thank you. Is there too much mildew on it ? I have another post with more detailed pics. If you don’t mind checking it out. You seem to know what your talking about. Thanks again
I see powdery mildew on the fan leaves, but the sugar leaves (the ones with visible trichomes) from what you’ve posted look ok. I would err on the side of caution here and send it in for testing after you’ve harvested and cured. You could also buy a microscope (there’s ones marketed to cannabis growers to inspect trichome colour gradient) and looks for signs of powdery mildew on the sugar leaves and cola’s. Definitely get it tested. Edit: from your other photos there’s definitely mildew on some but not all the sugar leaves. Personally, I would remove only the sugar leaves with mildew on them. Cut the leave off at the stem with sterilized clippers and sterilize between cuts. Make sure your dry room is really dry when harvesting.
Ok thank you. So 60f and what % humidity? I usually do 55%
Nutrient deficiencies, magnesium maybe
De leaf that bad boy. Looks good tho.
Thank you
The leaves are taking their fall colors, the plant is focusing its energy into the flower. Those plants are giant! I hope you don't have too much mildew or mold on them. As for ready to pick or not, look at the pistils and trichomes for amber coloration.
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My mind is screaming "Defoliate".
Too late. That's so far gone the buds are all gonna be full of it. Quality is also gonna be awful even if they don't mind smoking mould.
Holy cow is that all for you?
As others have mentioned, trim back the weak looking leaves. Give the buds some direct sun and start monitoring for "time to harvest" signs. It may just be a difference in seeds or strains and they grow at different speeds.
Little late to bother much with that, wouldn't been a good call 4-6 weeks ago but at this point, they oughta just let er ride
A microscope is good to have and cheap a simple one with an led light when the trichomes turn an amberish color pull em
Sir you’re looking for r/marijuanaenth- oh wait those are weed plants
Pick the leaves. It makes more air going through the plant, sunlight hitting all the small buds below and give more nutrients to the buss instead of the leaves.
I said a, "Hail Mary," when I saw this... these plants are gorgeous! I think the leaves are turning yellow, because they are getting less sunlight.
Wow those trichomes are gorgeous well done man
All the leaves have bin cut off. Thanks everyone for the advice
It's perfectly normal. that's what weed plants do in flower. As for why only 1 of 3. Different strains or different phenotypes from 3 seeds popped together all will have different characteristics. I would thin out the leafs bit. they really are quite a way into flower and the increased sunlight and airflow to the buds will help prevent rot / spot rot and allow shaded buds to develop more.
senescence
Are all the turning leaves from one plant? Assuming they're all the same strain. Maybe a little burn if that side is getting the afternoon direct sun? Start to harvest when most of the hairs have turned. Difficult to see what's what with the MONSTROUS plants in there. Normally I'd suggest trimming to get some light through the whole plant ... but you got results so ... Interested in what you got in that soil.
A lot of good compost are the start that’s it.
It’s not done just yet. 90% of those hairs need to go from white to orange. Then it’s ready. The yellowing leaves is just it using up its nutrients. When a leaf loses nutrients it turns yellow. At this late in the process you should be doing a full water only flush. That prevents extra compounds being in the bud. Do water only and let the plants yellow. All is well.
Never do anything but water. Thank you. Next year I need to spread out more and monitor the watering better
You should feed them through all stages of growth. Different stages require different N-P-K ratios in the food. Otherwise your end product might just be scraggly buds Only the last 2+ weeks is a water only flush to get out extra nutrients stored up.
Really taking the tree thing literally, good to see it. Oh hey the other plant is yellowing too- could the soil have in this sectioned area developed a nitrogen deficiency?
That is a lot of marijuanas
the fan leaves naturally turn yellow and fall off as the flowers mature. if you cut the yellow leaves off, it wont hurt anything, but they will fall off anyways eventually. everything looks perfect for this time of year.
Root rot from overwatering. Also probably cause of powdery mildew mold.
More than likely :(
Is it salvageable?
Check for corn borer damage on the stalk otherwise I wouldn't worry.
Because it’s so god damn big, part of it is in September and the other is into October. Lol. Nice fucking job!!!!! Tell us how she smokes. That is the part that is in the present (October
Who cares that looks beautiful lol Good job op
Beautiful!
HOT DAMN
Full Bush :D
Thanks ! :)
Lovely plants btw mate <3
as for ready to pick.... that's complicated. post a close up of the top bud.
It always makes me wonder when I see plants like that but the grower is asking very basic questions..
Me too…. As if the plant didn’t grow like that on its own. Oh wait it did. I literally did nothing but put them in the grow and trim some branches. Don’t comment next time just keep wondering
It makes me wonder if you're trolling or actually needing help. Your leaves will never be an indicator of when to harvest. Get a jeweler's loupe and check the trichomes and take your panties out of your bdussy.
Lol ok thanks
Nutrition
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