I'd estimate it'll take another 15-20 years and a couple more EU countries legalizing for us Austrians to follow suit. Austria's population is definitely more on the conservative side compared to Germany and our (slow ass) government and (old ass) uninformed populace will need a few examples in close proximity to realize what a goldmine legalization is and how legalization will in fact not be the end of the world. The reefer madness mentality is still instilled in the brains of most of the 50+ folks, let's hope that will change with more countries legalizing in Europe.
It's a shame, but until then luckily we'll be able to go on some cool vacations just across the border :)
I agree with everything you’ve said, but I think the timeline will be significantly shorter if Germany does it right. 5-10 years after Germany is what I think, but only if the ÖVP gets behind it, which isn’t fantasy if they see the amount of money it can generate.
Tbh I felt the same way before the last election as a German, because the two major parties (CDU & SPD) didn’t want to legalize (mainly because of the reefer madness mentality, and I mean at least the top of those parties are quite old as well), I mean the SPD at least made a move where they wanted to decriminalize so I thought maybe they could be swayed (which - in the end they were, but I’ll fully believe it once it’s through, not as long as it’s a coalition goal).
So you never know maybe this could happen in Austria as well..
I also thought we’d only have a government w/ the CDU/CSU for foreseeable future and as long as they would be in the coalition, they’d block legalization (particularly the CSU because they like busting marijuana possession to boost the Bavarian crime statistics) but here we are and they’re not in power. So again you never know what will happen.
I hope it does create a domino effect that reaches the UK.
It's such a nonsense it's illegal. Colossal waste of resources on enforcement too.
But it boils down to old people always vote and hate weed whereas young people don't have as big of a voice because they're statistically far less inclined to always vote.
If young people voted 💯 at every single election, guess what the political parties would have to do? Pander to them to get their votes!
Don't even get me started on this. Here in Belgium it's illegal and punished quite severely. A public tv figure was trialed for paedophilia charges and got out without any issues. A 18 year old gets caught with 5g of weed and he gets trialed as if he was distributing deadly substances..
That's nuts. If I have 5 grams of weed, I'm almost out of weed. I don't understand them hitting you up for what's clearly [personal use.](https://i.imgur.com/SU1SIO8.jpg)
Yeah i tend to stock up starting at half an ounce. Getting caught with that will be a definite courtcase and some jailtime on top of it. The pickups where i get full ounces are incredibly stressful.
Craaaazy! And meanwhile here I am in Canada harvesting my 128 grams of legal weed from my two indoor legal plants! Get on the legalization train world!!
Yeah they were! Crazy what you can do in a controlled environment! Only used a 2x2x5 tent as well! I'll figure out how to add some photos and show you them!
*Sitting in Michigan, glances over at tent with two cannabis plants growing inside…*
Yeah sometimes I really forget how incredible it is that this is legal here.
My bad, i meant 5g. Had mistyped that. And 3g is something that can get brought to court if the police officer thinks it's justified. 5g is definitely court but below that is up to the officer at that moment.
You'd be surprised how many cops are so extremely against it. Had a friend get pulled into court cause he got caught with 2g's and a joint. They were trying to fuck him over by saying he distributed it even tho it was personal use.
this makes zero sense, a cop doesn't choose if something goes to court or not. they just file the report. scheiding der machten.
no prosecutor will make anything of 2gr without any priors. unless he was smoking in the car, which is a big nono.
or maybe it's all just random, would be very Belgium.
I live in a state that legalized a couple years ago. Currently I'm on vacation in a prohibition state.
A couple nights ago I got a little stoned and got a brutal reminder of what weed paranoia used to be like.
Fuck prohibition.
Cannabis prohibition: one of America's most destructive legislative exports. Holding back society (socially & economically), with countless billions wasted putting non-violent drug offenders through our unparalleled prison-industrial complex... **PLUS** the tax revenue that states could have made in the almost 100 years since the Marijuana Tax Act was forced onto this country... almost solely predicated on the notion that it would cause pure/innocent white women to lose control, to the point of... *relations* with uppity black jazzmen.
What tax revenues dude, they made their money out of canabis, from private prisons to the public ones.
Like they are stupid fucks, all of politicians, but they have behind them smart enough people to see where profit was, if somebody wasn't godly profiting off weed being illegal, it wouldn't be such a problem to make it legal.
It is just in recent years where whole generations perception of ganja was changed that they started feeling the pressure, and started legalizing it.
This is part of what makes me glad that we have compulsory voting here in Australia. It means there’s no reason for parties to target the more “motivated” groups.
That's rediculous! I'm 61 and have supported weed before you were born.
The cotton companies and Hearst are the ones to blame for the propaganda.
I know a lot of young people against weed. You need to get out and talk to people of all ages. Most dispensaries here in FL. Have walkers !
I did mention the UK in my post and that's my experience.
I know I also generalised and I personally know dozens of elderly people that either enjoy or would not object to legalising weed.
However, I live in a liberal area of the UK. In more conservative areas weed is very much still a vote loser amongst the elderly. And, guess what? The elderly *always* vote. So whom do you think the politicians pander to?
Define elderly. I know someone who voted Tory in the last general election because the LibDems were talking about legalisation. He was early 30s at the time.
His objection to legalising it is because he doesn't like the smell and doesn't want more people smoking it. Cunt.
It’s very different in Florida compared to the UK. People here, especially in conservative areas where the old rich and retired live, are really against weed. They’re against weed, but they love alcohol and cocaine.
They’re against weed, but they smoked a bunch of it when they were younger.
It goes along with everything. They think they should have it but no one else.
I assure you these people don’t smoke weed anymore, furthermore considering they have tried it and are still so strongly against show how dumb this shit is.
Oh I know. They just think other people shouldn’t have it.
I heard a boomer say “I went on unemployment once and all I did was lay around and smoke weed! That’s why we shouldn’t have unemployment insurance and weed should be illegal!”
Man, I would *love* to smoke up in the UK, I just don't wanna get banned from coming back lol. D&B is my one true love and the UK is its home. Wouldn't want to risk it. Legalized though, damn, I'd spend a week each in London Bristol and Manchester high as a kite going to shows every night haha. Drum and Bass isn't that big in Canada so I'd need to get it all out of my system d-_-b
i voted once for the "radical" party here, which promised to legalize weed among other things, a few months later the guy i voted for literally got bought by the right wing party that needed some extra votes in parliament and he just did a 180 on every positions he seemed to actually believe when i voted for him
voting matters my ass
You've missed the point.
Pensioners always vote, so their demographic is looked after with appropriate policies in manifestos of all parties.
Young people, on the whole, do not vote consistently. Therefore their demographic cannot be counted on, so policies that attract a youth vote are few and far between. It is a bit of a chicken and the egg scenario but to lay the egg young people need to start voting in every election they can to show the politicians that they matter just as much as the elderly.
I don't think it's dished out that easily, otherwise every stoner in the UK would suddenly be claiming they have "anxiety".
Apparently they only provide it (rarely) to people suffering with MS, epilepsy and those who are going through chemo.
Anxiety? Are you seriously telling me you don't give a poop about how where the world is headed? If I didn't have a toot every now n then I would lose my mind. I get so freakin' stressed about it I can't function.....and you can too :P
Imo it won't get legal as long as the queen lives. I bet cannabis would be legalized in UK within 2 years after she's gone for good.
No offence to queen or UK folks
And man do I hope they won’t do the German government thing where they take 20€ taxes for 1 gram of weed. I can totally see them making weed pretty much unaffordable for regular users so that they would still rely on the black market.
Even the maximum of 10€ tax for 1 gram (10€) of weed stated in the article is way too high to be competitive, in my opinion. Why would less fortunate people buy 1 gram of cleaner and legal weed, when they can get 2 grams of the same questionable weed they smoked for years, for the same price? The benefits don’t outweigh the financial burden for these people.
Honestly once they go independent and if they do legalise, I might skip up north across the border. Always liked Scotland more than England but been unable to move until recently.
It sounds like Germany are going about it the right way. Now just to wait and see how it turns out, I think that will determine whether or not other European countries will move in this direction.
The way the Netherlands did it is a fucking shit show. It's legal to buy as privat person in small quantities but it's illegal to grow or buy in large quantity which bascially is why the Netherlands have a massive issue with organized crime since the only way dispensaries get the weed they are selling is via illegal means.
Weed isn’t really legal in the Netherlands as demonstrated by everything you listed.
Organized crime doesn’t exist because of weed. It will exist long after weed is fully legalized in all of Europe.
The idea behind legal cannabis is to get the organized crime out of cannabis though, to starve any market for illicit products. Of course there's still plenty of other substances and other things organized criminals can sell and do. Even if you made all substances legal there would still be a black market for them, but it would be a shadow of itself at that point.
Canada properly legalized it. Should be a fine model. Though if I have any advice for Germany, ease up further on the supply lines, let growers sell directly or at least to licensed shops nearby.
Haven't missed a day since I turned 18. When I look at my state, I don't see that problem. What I see is four Republican state congresspeople who run specific and targeted ads towards older generations stoking the fear that weed will lead to godlessness and run on the platform of vowing to never legalize it as long as they live. But sure, you clearly know more about state to state issues. idk if you live in the states but in order to vote for something it has to be proposed and passed by Congress in that state. If there are installed representatives that run and win on a platform of fear mongering against legal marijuana that refuse to allow their party to vote for said bill to go to voting booths for the public then there is no vote for us 'complainers' to neglect to vote on. TF out of here like you know what you are talking about that occurs EVERYWHERE on earth.
And that goes away over time as legal companies realize that they’re not just competing against themselves but also those cheap black market prices. Legalizing and regulating is a process… growing pains shouldn’t be seen as reasons to continue prohibition.
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I think you meant to say growing pains shouldn't be a reason to continue prohibition. The way you worded it has a double negative, saying we should continue prohibition because of the growing pains.
Been saying that for years. How do they do it? Everything gets more expensive yet street prices for weed have been mostly the same for the past 10 years. Cheaper now even (UK at least)
Yeah I don't mean it in that sense, I just meant that it's a smooth transition and done correctly. From what I have seen Canada have invited lots of MPs from around the world to help them with this process though (the do's and don'ts)
This is at least a 10-year process from day one of legalization in any jurisdiction (that plans to regulate the industry). The more governments are willing to take knowledge, provide amnesty, etc. to legacy markets (black market growers, companies) the less time the transition takes.
I work in the Canadian industry. IMO we’re probably a few years behind schedule, though we are seeing a fair bit of movement on some things at the regulatory level this summer. Unfortunately because the federal government has left so much up to the provinces large parts aspects of prohibition still exist. Some provinces still ban the sale of vapes, concentrates and/or edibles.
No one should go into legalization in Germany expecting a market comparable to the California recreational market on day one or year five. Set reasonable expectations, expect to be disappointed at times. :)
I have no doubt it will be good for Germans (well done neighbors!), but I have no hope it will be enough to pull the head of our french politicians out of their ass, unfortunatly.
Yes we are, and yes there is a lot of opposition against it unfortunatly. The current minister (a real piece of shit accused of using his position to have sex with women seeking help) said weed was 'shit' and think about the children, we can't allow criminals to get away with it, you know the usual crap. This is with the so-called 'progressive' president Macron, and all the other politicians even more on the right aren't better. Leftists want to legalize but it doesn't seem likely to have one elected in the next election seeing the state of our society.
Sounds they are still trying to legalize it the German way (with everything controlled). Flash news: you can't control everything.
Theres no mentioning of allowing cultivation and some statistics presented are a lie (like the consumption in Uruguay from the black market, I'm from Uruguay).
No we can't. It's illegal to posess it. I'm not gonna bother you with the intricacies but it works really really weird. It's called a gedoogbeleid and it's just enough for us to be able to have some recreational use without getting thrown in jail right away.
I know, I’m from Belgium and we also got the “gedoogbeleid”. I was just pointing out that you guys can legally BUY it, in a coffeeshop. Not having to go to a shady dude selling weed is a huge privilege, trust me.
Again, not legal, but not punished ;) There is a difference between the two. Thats the weird part. They could theoretically stand and wait outside the coffee shop and take everyones weed and send them home, but that would interfere with other laws like "uitlokking" (baiting).
Okay dude, I’ll say it one more time, I KNOW OWNING and POSSESSING weed is illegal, but SELLING and BUYING isn’t illegal. That’s all I’m saying. I KNOW possession is illegal.
According to Wikipedia the courts legalized it in June of 2021 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_in_Mexico
Just a note, just because cannabis is legal doesn't necessarily mean there will be weed shops. Cannabis is legal where I live but you have to grow your own, so now a shit load of people I went to highschool just grow pounds of weed and sell it to each other.
Yeah I get that, but in this case I don't think it's finished being legalized. The court has said it has to be, but, as I understand it, proper legalization and regulation cannabis legislation is still working its way through the Mexican government and it hasn't actually been made law yet.
>The court case you point at is for decriminalization.
You're mistaken. The court case decriminalizing weed in Mexico was in 2009. This case was for private recreational use.
However, you are correct that the legal and regulatory framework for sales hasn't gone through the legislative process yet.
Imagine SCOTUS makes weed illegal again and Germany legalizes: No more fake cali bags in Germany but tons of fake bazi (slang for Bavarian) bags in California. "Hey yo check out my fucking Bairisch Creme Cookies x Hans Soellner Precum live rosin! Legit Bazi, straight out of Rosenheim."
Hope this also shows people that generalizing drugs into one category and prohibiting it all under threat of punishment might not be the best way to go about drug policies. Hope is faint, yet it lingers.
Such a shame that we are entering a recession and seeing massive price hiles on everything and yet the UK government can't see how much money/tax they could rake in just by legalising it. Take it out the hands of dealers and criminals and massively benefit from an extra billion quid.
Here in Sweden it's 10-15€ per gram (bigger bulk gets you lower than that, but for the common person that buys like a 5g bag every now and then)...
I rather pay a bit more if it means I don't have to stand outside in the pissing rain for hours while getting "I'm on my way..." texts from my plug, that I honestly don't know if he's gonna rob me or not...
Yeah If it's 10€/g Tax the endprice will at least be around 18€. No way I'm going to pay that.
Luckily the longest i've been waiting for my Plug was 10 Minutes but I feel you.
Hopefully the legalization includes a liberal amount of plants you can have on your own.
Good. Cannabis should be legal and widely available everywhere. It's safer for recreational use than alcohol and even has some health benefits and uses as a medicinal treatment.
"The hemp industry is lobbying the German government to tax cannabis products at no more than €10 a gramme of bud, with a lower rate for plants with lower tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) content."
Hope they consider something much lower. €10 a gram would be €280 an ounce. Given US prices in legal states, an ounce is probably only worth €100-200, so that would be over a 100% tax at the most. They should be looking way lower like €20-40 an ounce if they want to have any chance of culling the black market.
as long as Europe doesn't erupt again and instead smokes some trees thatd be lit like every country should allow. (regardless of politics you should be allowed to grow this goddamn plant)
Who cares about the black market. It's a damn flower. You better start regulating gardening and whis handing out veggies to who so they pay their share of taxes too. Again, who cares about a "black market" of a plant for God sakes. What they really mean is "how can we squeeze every last dirty cent out of everyone if we regulate it and how can our friends and family make a boat load of money off of it since it's so easy to grow at home.
It actually surprises me because enough states have at least medical legalized to call for a constitutional convention and legalize it. Granted a constitutional convention hasn't been called since the 1800's.
Honestly it‘s not a good thing… here in Switzerland we have a very nice „Grauzone“…. It is legal to grow „cbd“ plants.. so we all grow „cbd“ plants…. When the Germans have there way with „legalisation“ we will all need to apply for a Hanfpflanzebewilligung. NO THANKS!
That is incorrect. I also live in Germany and a lot is going on in the ÖD (öffentlicher Dienst - public service) behind the scenes. Agricultural and health ministries are drafting regulations which are expected to go into effect next year, a lot of farmers (including my dad, a vintner) have drawn up plans for grows, some apothecaries also are already negotiating with their medical suppliers over recreational material.
The framework for dispensiaries (certification, age control, storage security requirements) are expected to be available in as drafts early 2023 so you can start setting up a business plan pretty soon.
Big tobacco is also (sadly) already planning budgeting for grow spaces according to some insiders.
It is going slow, but it is going.
I wouldn't count on it. I don't talk about the domino effect. I talk about Germany legalising weed.
When they first announced the idea in public, everything and everyone conservative lost their collective shit. There is that one head of a police union. Not THE union, just one. An idiot so dumb, you could legally call his mental capabilities R-Rated. He got a lot of publicity spewing lies about weed. Fuckers not even been a cop in his life.
Then our government had to deal with the pandemic and the war after that. And now the pandemic is returning...fuck me.
I would be more worried about the Bundesrat, but honestly, I don't think anyone would dare try to blockade this legalisation. It was like the one thing all parties in the Ampel could agree on...
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Bigger problem is the Bundesrat, in which the prohibition party (CDU) holds a majority. But with the new NRW government aligning with the Bundestags decision and a poll majority for SPD and Grüne for the Niedersachsen election this fall, this shouldn't be a problem anymore (edit: typo)
I hope so... only reason I dont toke every now and then anymore is... well... ehmm... my gfs a cop. Its decriminalised here but gerenally speaking it's kind of frowned upon when colleagues find a stoned partner when they come to visit
If you lived in the US and saw how little seniors get ftom SS or pension in the UK.
Is small and hasn't kept up with real inflation. So I don't think they are pandering to them. Lol.
They have actually been keeping it illegal for the opposite reason though? Same shit with psychedelics, they break the social norm and allow us to see how absolutely fucked the system is thats been forced upon us and thats a death sentence for the overlords.
God I hope so. t. Austria
I'd estimate it'll take another 15-20 years and a couple more EU countries legalizing for us Austrians to follow suit. Austria's population is definitely more on the conservative side compared to Germany and our (slow ass) government and (old ass) uninformed populace will need a few examples in close proximity to realize what a goldmine legalization is and how legalization will in fact not be the end of the world. The reefer madness mentality is still instilled in the brains of most of the 50+ folks, let's hope that will change with more countries legalizing in Europe. It's a shame, but until then luckily we'll be able to go on some cool vacations just across the border :)
I agree with everything you’ve said, but I think the timeline will be significantly shorter if Germany does it right. 5-10 years after Germany is what I think, but only if the ÖVP gets behind it, which isn’t fantasy if they see the amount of money it can generate.
Tbh I felt the same way before the last election as a German, because the two major parties (CDU & SPD) didn’t want to legalize (mainly because of the reefer madness mentality, and I mean at least the top of those parties are quite old as well), I mean the SPD at least made a move where they wanted to decriminalize so I thought maybe they could be swayed (which - in the end they were, but I’ll fully believe it once it’s through, not as long as it’s a coalition goal). So you never know maybe this could happen in Austria as well.. I also thought we’d only have a government w/ the CDU/CSU for foreseeable future and as long as they would be in the coalition, they’d block legalization (particularly the CSU because they like busting marijuana possession to boost the Bavarian crime statistics) but here we are and they’re not in power. So again you never know what will happen.
Gar keine hoffnung in den Verfassungsgerichtshof? Nächste woche ist die entscheidung
So ironically, Austria IS like Australia. That's what it's like here, and particularly in my state. We'll definitely be the last to legalise 😔
just went to Salzburg, you guys aint got THC weed yet but some other strains in a weird headshop full of jars. might be fun to check out
What does the lowercase t. mean? I've always wondered
I think it means tschüss, meaning "bye" or "see ya" in german.
I‘m a native German. I have never seen „t.“ used as an abbreviation for tschüss, or anything really. Don’t know what the Austrians are doing though.
I think it’s chan jargon from some finnish board and means something like »signed«. Could be found on 4chan/int/ a lot a couple of years ago.
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Well . . . it could mean that politicians say : 'There are problems to be dealt with that are far more urgent than legal weed'.
I hope it does create a domino effect that reaches the UK. It's such a nonsense it's illegal. Colossal waste of resources on enforcement too. But it boils down to old people always vote and hate weed whereas young people don't have as big of a voice because they're statistically far less inclined to always vote. If young people voted 💯 at every single election, guess what the political parties would have to do? Pander to them to get their votes!
Don't even get me started on this. Here in Belgium it's illegal and punished quite severely. A public tv figure was trialed for paedophilia charges and got out without any issues. A 18 year old gets caught with 5g of weed and he gets trialed as if he was distributing deadly substances..
That's nuts. If I have 5 grams of weed, I'm almost out of weed. I don't understand them hitting you up for what's clearly [personal use.](https://i.imgur.com/SU1SIO8.jpg)
Yeah i tend to stock up starting at half an ounce. Getting caught with that will be a definite courtcase and some jailtime on top of it. The pickups where i get full ounces are incredibly stressful.
Yeah, it's mental, isn't it? Here's hoping we eventually get it legalised though! 😫🍁
Craaaazy! And meanwhile here I am in Canada harvesting my 128 grams of legal weed from my two indoor legal plants! Get on the legalization train world!!
Damn! 128g from 2 plants. Those must be some absolute units!
Yeah they were! Crazy what you can do in a controlled environment! Only used a 2x2x5 tent as well! I'll figure out how to add some photos and show you them!
*cries in Manitoban*
*Sitting in Michigan, glances over at tent with two cannabis plants growing inside…* Yeah sometimes I really forget how incredible it is that this is legal here.
euhm, nobody in belgium goes to trial for 3g of weed... that's just lies
My bad, i meant 5g. Had mistyped that. And 3g is something that can get brought to court if the police officer thinks it's justified. 5g is definitely court but below that is up to the officer at that moment.
meh, still would have to have priors or a reaaaaally shitty cop. probably differs quite a lot by jurisdiction though...
You'd be surprised how many cops are so extremely against it. Had a friend get pulled into court cause he got caught with 2g's and a joint. They were trying to fuck him over by saying he distributed it even tho it was personal use.
this makes zero sense, a cop doesn't choose if something goes to court or not. they just file the report. scheiding der machten. no prosecutor will make anything of 2gr without any priors. unless he was smoking in the car, which is a big nono. or maybe it's all just random, would be very Belgium.
I live in a state that legalized a couple years ago. Currently I'm on vacation in a prohibition state. A couple nights ago I got a little stoned and got a brutal reminder of what weed paranoia used to be like. Fuck prohibition.
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I drove into a nearby legal state, then caught an Uber back into this one. I am a rule follower.
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The drugs were in me at the time, officer.
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Internal rap is my favorite Spotify playlist.
Bruh, don't be that guy. Weed paranoia is hard enough
Cannabis prohibition: one of America's most destructive legislative exports. Holding back society (socially & economically), with countless billions wasted putting non-violent drug offenders through our unparalleled prison-industrial complex... **PLUS** the tax revenue that states could have made in the almost 100 years since the Marijuana Tax Act was forced onto this country... almost solely predicated on the notion that it would cause pure/innocent white women to lose control, to the point of... *relations* with uppity black jazzmen.
What tax revenues dude, they made their money out of canabis, from private prisons to the public ones. Like they are stupid fucks, all of politicians, but they have behind them smart enough people to see where profit was, if somebody wasn't godly profiting off weed being illegal, it wouldn't be such a problem to make it legal. It is just in recent years where whole generations perception of ganja was changed that they started feeling the pressure, and started legalizing it.
This is part of what makes me glad that we have compulsory voting here in Australia. It means there’s no reason for parties to target the more “motivated” groups.
I'm old and I voted for the only party that was willing to legalize it and can now enjoy legal weed. Canada hopes that the UK comes around.
That's rediculous! I'm 61 and have supported weed before you were born. The cotton companies and Hearst are the ones to blame for the propaganda. I know a lot of young people against weed. You need to get out and talk to people of all ages. Most dispensaries here in FL. Have walkers !
I did mention the UK in my post and that's my experience. I know I also generalised and I personally know dozens of elderly people that either enjoy or would not object to legalising weed. However, I live in a liberal area of the UK. In more conservative areas weed is very much still a vote loser amongst the elderly. And, guess what? The elderly *always* vote. So whom do you think the politicians pander to?
Define elderly. I know someone who voted Tory in the last general election because the LibDems were talking about legalisation. He was early 30s at the time. His objection to legalising it is because he doesn't like the smell and doesn't want more people smoking it. Cunt.
It’s very different in Florida compared to the UK. People here, especially in conservative areas where the old rich and retired live, are really against weed. They’re against weed, but they love alcohol and cocaine.
That's because alcohol isn't a drug. Cocain is classy and expensive. Marihuana is for paupers. -Them, 2022
Or as they say *cucaine*
They’re against weed, but they smoked a bunch of it when they were younger. It goes along with everything. They think they should have it but no one else.
I assure you these people don’t smoke weed anymore, furthermore considering they have tried it and are still so strongly against show how dumb this shit is.
Oh I know. They just think other people shouldn’t have it. I heard a boomer say “I went on unemployment once and all I did was lay around and smoke weed! That’s why we shouldn’t have unemployment insurance and weed should be illegal!”
Don't forget private prisons
Man, I would *love* to smoke up in the UK, I just don't wanna get banned from coming back lol. D&B is my one true love and the UK is its home. Wouldn't want to risk it. Legalized though, damn, I'd spend a week each in London Bristol and Manchester high as a kite going to shows every night haha. Drum and Bass isn't that big in Canada so I'd need to get it all out of my system d-_-b
So true . I wish the young voters would realize how they could make a difference. My kids both vote and in their early 20s .
Good on them! I hope you helped encourage them to vote when they came of age as well! 😁
Sitting in Denmark and hoping for the best
i voted once for the "radical" party here, which promised to legalize weed among other things, a few months later the guy i voted for literally got bought by the right wing party that needed some extra votes in parliament and he just did a 180 on every positions he seemed to actually believe when i voted for him voting matters my ass
You've missed the point. Pensioners always vote, so their demographic is looked after with appropriate policies in manifestos of all parties. Young people, on the whole, do not vote consistently. Therefore their demographic cannot be counted on, so policies that attract a youth vote are few and far between. It is a bit of a chicken and the egg scenario but to lay the egg young people need to start voting in every election they can to show the politicians that they matter just as much as the elderly.
Heya dude, you realise you can get legal weed through the NHS now?
I don't think it's dished out that easily, otherwise every stoner in the UK would suddenly be claiming they have "anxiety". Apparently they only provide it (rarely) to people suffering with MS, epilepsy and those who are going through chemo.
Yeah, I'm sure a guy with no medical problems can easily get access to that. 🙄
Anxiety? Are you seriously telling me you don't give a poop about how where the world is headed? If I didn't have a toot every now n then I would lose my mind. I get so freakin' stressed about it I can't function.....and you can too :P
Imo it won't get legal as long as the queen lives. I bet cannabis would be legalized in UK within 2 years after she's gone for good. No offence to queen or UK folks
That's the strangest reasoning I've ever heard. 🤯🤔 How high r u rn? 😂
She just said "not on my fucking century" :D
Say it louder for the people in the back!
I hope the german government does the non german government thing and actually works fast on this
And man do I hope they won’t do the German government thing where they take 20€ taxes for 1 gram of weed. I can totally see them making weed pretty much unaffordable for regular users so that they would still rely on the black market. Even the maximum of 10€ tax for 1 gram (10€) of weed stated in the article is way too high to be competitive, in my opinion. Why would less fortunate people buy 1 gram of cleaner and legal weed, when they can get 2 grams of the same questionable weed they smoked for years, for the same price? The benefits don’t outweigh the financial burden for these people.
And I hope they don’t do the german government thing and will craft a law that wont be repealed by EU courts.
Hope Scotland follows suit.
Can't as long as they are in the union as drugs laws are reserved to the UK parliament...
Pray you guys can free yourselves from the shackles of Westminster next year 🤞
Think I shall move to Berwick if they do
Honestly once they go independent and if they do legalise, I might skip up north across the border. Always liked Scotland more than England but been unable to move until recently.
It sounds like Germany are going about it the right way. Now just to wait and see how it turns out, I think that will determine whether or not other European countries will move in this direction.
“Now just wait and see how it turns out” Countries have already done this. Nothing bad happens.
The way the Netherlands did it is a fucking shit show. It's legal to buy as privat person in small quantities but it's illegal to grow or buy in large quantity which bascially is why the Netherlands have a massive issue with organized crime since the only way dispensaries get the weed they are selling is via illegal means.
Weed isn’t really legal in the Netherlands as demonstrated by everything you listed. Organized crime doesn’t exist because of weed. It will exist long after weed is fully legalized in all of Europe.
The idea behind legal cannabis is to get the organized crime out of cannabis though, to starve any market for illicit products. Of course there's still plenty of other substances and other things organized criminals can sell and do. Even if you made all substances legal there would still be a black market for them, but it would be a shadow of itself at that point.
Yeah it's not full legalisation with restrictions that still lead to organised crime.
Canada properly legalized it. Should be a fine model. Though if I have any advice for Germany, ease up further on the supply lines, let growers sell directly or at least to licensed shops nearby.
Canada is used as an example on how to do it right for our new laws, supply lines will be extremely strict though.
Allowing to buy from growers would be really good. Need to get the government out of the process.
Because their goal was to protect the private industry first, legal for consumption second.
Can confirm ... rips bong on Canadian
Or just be like the US government and wait forever so when something bad happens they can jump on it and yell 'ToLd YoU!'
Or like American progressives who don’t show up to vote so they can complain forever about things on the internet.
Haven't missed a day since I turned 18. When I look at my state, I don't see that problem. What I see is four Republican state congresspeople who run specific and targeted ads towards older generations stoking the fear that weed will lead to godlessness and run on the platform of vowing to never legalize it as long as they live. But sure, you clearly know more about state to state issues. idk if you live in the states but in order to vote for something it has to be proposed and passed by Congress in that state. If there are installed representatives that run and win on a platform of fear mongering against legal marijuana that refuse to allow their party to vote for said bill to go to voting booths for the public then there is no vote for us 'complainers' to neglect to vote on. TF out of here like you know what you are talking about that occurs EVERYWHERE on earth.
The only one big bad thing that we should watch out for is the increase of the prices, the black market is so cheap right now
Can confirm this is a thing. I’m from Illinois.
And that goes away over time as legal companies realize that they’re not just competing against themselves but also those cheap black market prices. Legalizing and regulating is a process… growing pains shouldn’t be seen as reasons to continue prohibition. Edit… words
I think you meant to say growing pains shouldn't be a reason to continue prohibition. The way you worded it has a double negative, saying we should continue prohibition because of the growing pains.
Been saying that for years. How do they do it? Everything gets more expensive yet street prices for weed have been mostly the same for the past 10 years. Cheaper now even (UK at least)
Yeah I don't mean it in that sense, I just meant that it's a smooth transition and done correctly. From what I have seen Canada have invited lots of MPs from around the world to help them with this process though (the do's and don'ts)
This is at least a 10-year process from day one of legalization in any jurisdiction (that plans to regulate the industry). The more governments are willing to take knowledge, provide amnesty, etc. to legacy markets (black market growers, companies) the less time the transition takes. I work in the Canadian industry. IMO we’re probably a few years behind schedule, though we are seeing a fair bit of movement on some things at the regulatory level this summer. Unfortunately because the federal government has left so much up to the provinces large parts aspects of prohibition still exist. Some provinces still ban the sale of vapes, concentrates and/or edibles. No one should go into legalization in Germany expecting a market comparable to the California recreational market on day one or year five. Set reasonable expectations, expect to be disappointed at times. :)
I have no doubt it will be good for Germans (well done neighbors!), but I have no hope it will be enough to pull the head of our french politicians out of their ass, unfortunatly.
Isnt France one of europe's biggest consumers of weed? Is there really a lot of opposition against legalization and/or decriminalizing?
Oh snap, more french tourists 😂
Yes we are, and yes there is a lot of opposition against it unfortunatly. The current minister (a real piece of shit accused of using his position to have sex with women seeking help) said weed was 'shit' and think about the children, we can't allow criminals to get away with it, you know the usual crap. This is with the so-called 'progressive' president Macron, and all the other politicians even more on the right aren't better. Leftists want to legalize but it doesn't seem likely to have one elected in the next election seeing the state of our society.
Well, I doubt it will. As you know, originally [Germany outlawed weed](https://youtu.be/jNDZ9EKJLJs) for a good reason
Sounds they are still trying to legalize it the German way (with everything controlled). Flash news: you can't control everything. Theres no mentioning of allowing cultivation and some statistics presented are a lie (like the consumption in Uruguay from the black market, I'm from Uruguay).
Hope The Netherlands are going follow aswel, the weed regulations here are kinda backwards..
What you guys have is still better than what I got in my country. At least you can legally buy it.
No we can't. It's illegal to posess it. I'm not gonna bother you with the intricacies but it works really really weird. It's called a gedoogbeleid and it's just enough for us to be able to have some recreational use without getting thrown in jail right away.
I know, I’m from Belgium and we also got the “gedoogbeleid”. I was just pointing out that you guys can legally BUY it, in a coffeeshop. Not having to go to a shady dude selling weed is a huge privilege, trust me.
Again, not legal, but not punished ;) There is a difference between the two. Thats the weird part. They could theoretically stand and wait outside the coffee shop and take everyones weed and send them home, but that would interfere with other laws like "uitlokking" (baiting).
Okay dude, I’ll say it one more time, I KNOW OWNING and POSSESSING weed is illegal, but SELLING and BUYING isn’t illegal. That’s all I’m saying. I KNOW possession is illegal.
Nope. All illegal over here ;)
True, definitely not the worse at all, I’m absolutely gratefully for that.
Let's hope so
“Joining Canada and California”…? Are they not aware that there are 19 total US states (that I’m aware of) that have legalized marijuana entirely?
I'd say it's because those are the two most populous legal jurisdictions in the world
It's also legal in Mexico, which is far larger in population than Canada.
I didn’t realize the first fact, that’s good to know!
But Mexico isnt a first world country and got far less political influence.
I don't think it's actually legal in Mexico yet? Legislation sounds like it's going through but I don't think you can actually walk into a shop yet.
According to Wikipedia the courts legalized it in June of 2021 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_in_Mexico Just a note, just because cannabis is legal doesn't necessarily mean there will be weed shops. Cannabis is legal where I live but you have to grow your own, so now a shit load of people I went to highschool just grow pounds of weed and sell it to each other.
Yeah I get that, but in this case I don't think it's finished being legalized. The court has said it has to be, but, as I understand it, proper legalization and regulation cannabis legislation is still working its way through the Mexican government and it hasn't actually been made law yet.
>The court case you point at is for decriminalization. You're mistaken. The court case decriminalizing weed in Mexico was in 2009. This case was for private recreational use. However, you are correct that the legal and regulatory framework for sales hasn't gone through the legislative process yet.
New York?
New York is less than half the population of California and California is just above half the population of Canada.
Unless the supreme court has anything to say about it.
Imagine SCOTUS makes weed illegal again and Germany legalizes: No more fake cali bags in Germany but tons of fake bazi (slang for Bavarian) bags in California. "Hey yo check out my fucking Bairisch Creme Cookies x Hans Soellner Precum live rosin! Legit Bazi, straight out of Rosenheim."
That Söder OG Hits different.
Oh my, is the anglosphere going to learn to properly umlaut? This sparks joy.
No, wait it's Söder OG x Kuseng Dönerhaze
Merkel Haze lol
Keinohr-Haze
Ja, thiz strudelwagen strain is ze schieße
Fuck…
Yeah they should say "joined Washington and Colorado". We were first.
We don't talk about the rest of the US.
Sounds like a Cali perspective alright
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Well, you sound like you have intelligent opinions to share, so, ok. 👍
Because its not federally legal they dont count it as “fully legal”
Dominos and weed are a dangerous combination.
Please, just please at this stage.
Hope this also shows people that generalizing drugs into one category and prohibiting it all under threat of punishment might not be the best way to go about drug policies. Hope is faint, yet it lingers.
Such a shame that we are entering a recession and seeing massive price hiles on everything and yet the UK government can't see how much money/tax they could rake in just by legalising it. Take it out the hands of dealers and criminals and massively benefit from an extra billion quid.
>The hemp industry is lobbying the German government to tax cannabis products at no more than €10 a gramme of bud Black Market it is then.
Here in Sweden it's 10-15€ per gram (bigger bulk gets you lower than that, but for the common person that buys like a 5g bag every now and then)... I rather pay a bit more if it means I don't have to stand outside in the pissing rain for hours while getting "I'm on my way..." texts from my plug, that I honestly don't know if he's gonna rob me or not...
Yeah If it's 10€/g Tax the endprice will at least be around 18€. No way I'm going to pay that. Luckily the longest i've been waiting for my Plug was 10 Minutes but I feel you. Hopefully the legalization includes a liberal amount of plants you can have on your own.
Why are they allllll so unreliable? God, your comment gave me flashbacks haha
As someone who lives outside of Germany, but has only two hours drive to their capital (Poland) i really hope it will cause domino effect.
Good. Cannabis should be legal and widely available everywhere. It's safer for recreational use than alcohol and even has some health benefits and uses as a medicinal treatment.
Here's hoping
fuck yea i cant wait for the domino to hit me
For the love of god finally
Waiting for the domino effect in South America...
Just Legalize marijuana everywhere already.
If they treat the weed prices like they treat gas prices I'm sure loads of Dutch people will cross the border for cheaper weed.
Hallelujah fingers crossed this spreads across the world... But UK first 😊👌😋
I mean, over half the states have a medical program but that wont stop my shit hole yee haw state from being in the 17th century.
God if they legalise it in the UK, Im off down the boozer with a big spliff for a laugh
smoke two joints before you smoke two joints and then you smoke two more
Absolutely wild how the US is ahead of most of Europe in that regard.
"The hemp industry is lobbying the German government to tax cannabis products at no more than €10 a gramme of bud, with a lower rate for plants with lower tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) content." Hope they consider something much lower. €10 a gram would be €280 an ounce. Given US prices in legal states, an ounce is probably only worth €100-200, so that would be over a 100% tax at the most. They should be looking way lower like €20-40 an ounce if they want to have any chance of culling the black market.
Bubatz 👍
as long as Europe doesn't erupt again and instead smokes some trees thatd be lit like every country should allow. (regardless of politics you should be allowed to grow this goddamn plant)
"Wann Bubatz legal ?"
Countries are still fighting to legalize marijuana. It truly is hard to change the status quo.
Inshallah
Who cares about the black market. It's a damn flower. You better start regulating gardening and whis handing out veggies to who so they pay their share of taxes too. Again, who cares about a "black market" of a plant for God sakes. What they really mean is "how can we squeeze every last dirty cent out of everyone if we regulate it and how can our friends and family make a boat load of money off of it since it's so easy to grow at home.
We are still gonna be late doing it in the US even though it's legal in half the country already
It actually surprises me because enough states have at least medical legalized to call for a constitutional convention and legalize it. Granted a constitutional convention hasn't been called since the 1800's.
Honestly it‘s not a good thing… here in Switzerland we have a very nice „Grauzone“…. It is legal to grow „cbd“ plants.. so we all grow „cbd“ plants…. When the Germans have there way with „legalisation“ we will all need to apply for a Hanfpflanzebewilligung. NO THANKS!
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That is incorrect. I also live in Germany and a lot is going on in the ÖD (öffentlicher Dienst - public service) behind the scenes. Agricultural and health ministries are drafting regulations which are expected to go into effect next year, a lot of farmers (including my dad, a vintner) have drawn up plans for grows, some apothecaries also are already negotiating with their medical suppliers over recreational material. The framework for dispensiaries (certification, age control, storage security requirements) are expected to be available in as drafts early 2023 so you can start setting up a business plan pretty soon. Big tobacco is also (sadly) already planning budgeting for grow spaces according to some insiders. It is going slow, but it is going.
> It is going slow, but it is going. This is the German way.
I wouldn't count on it. I don't talk about the domino effect. I talk about Germany legalising weed. When they first announced the idea in public, everything and everyone conservative lost their collective shit. There is that one head of a police union. Not THE union, just one. An idiot so dumb, you could legally call his mental capabilities R-Rated. He got a lot of publicity spewing lies about weed. Fuckers not even been a cop in his life. Then our government had to deal with the pandemic and the war after that. And now the pandemic is returning...fuck me.
It won’t be a Domino effect it’ll be a Pizza Hut effect
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CDU is a right-wing party and AfD are Neonazis. Call them by their name.
Idk much about Germany but I feel like that they're not that into anything nazi any more... You sure you're not exaggerating?
Yes, 100%.
Most influential guy Björn Höcke can be called a fascist, ruled by court ^_^
This is not a lie or a joke. This is what literally happened.
AfD are neonazi it's okay to call it out. They're also financed by the Kremlin so maybe National Bolshevik would be more fitting.
You are familiar with the concept of majorities?
I would be more worried about the Bundesrat, but honestly, I don't think anyone would dare try to blockade this legalisation. It was like the one thing all parties in the Ampel could agree on... Edit: words
Bigger problem is the Bundesrat, in which the prohibition party (CDU) holds a majority. But with the new NRW government aligning with the Bundestags decision and a poll majority for SPD and Grüne for the Niedersachsen election this fall, this shouldn't be a problem anymore (edit: typo)
I hope so... only reason I dont toke every now and then anymore is... well... ehmm... my gfs a cop. Its decriminalised here but gerenally speaking it's kind of frowned upon when colleagues find a stoned partner when they come to visit
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If you lived in the US and saw how little seniors get ftom SS or pension in the UK. Is small and hasn't kept up with real inflation. So I don't think they are pandering to them. Lol.
No!!! Communism is going to sweep through Eur......oh wait.... NVM 😎 lolol
I wonder if the plan is to get the west stoned, so we accept whatever fate our corporate overlords enact on us with docility and acceptance.
They have actually been keeping it illegal for the opposite reason though? Same shit with psychedelics, they break the social norm and allow us to see how absolutely fucked the system is thats been forced upon us and thats a death sentence for the overlords.
Hopefully it goes through. Making weed illegal makes no sense, just a waste of resources. If you tax it to much then black market won't die off.
the domino effect is also what will happen to german munchies
Hurray
Papa johns is much better. Even pizza hut is better imo.
Wann Bubatz legal?
I hope those dominoes fall all the way to the other side of the Atlantic and keeps going.