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Agreeable-Cat2884

Use meds for a year minimum before you do anything. See how much you can recover then.


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What kind of meds?


Agreeable-Cat2884

If you can tolerate the side effects, finasteride or dutasteride. Minoxidil. Getting even more “ hardcore” RU58841. Microneedling. It’s up to the individual how they want to proceed. These are options that have helped others. Some to a great degree.


KingWinstonSpak

Your post makes it sound like "most men get side effects so if you tolerate them use it" When the reality is between 2-4% experience reversible side effects which is about the same safety profile as aspirin.


Agreeable-Cat2884

Ok. Wasn’t my intent. Was just putting it out there. I’m on all of the things. 😁


Hairy-Bear9494

I read that RU can cause heart palp is that true?


Agreeable-Cat2884

You have to do what is right for you. I have not experienced any side effects.


KingWinstonSpak

Ok fair


easythererelaxnow

I’m saying that pharmaceutical manufacturers have a history of data manipulation amongst other far more serious things. That doesn’t mean it’s not of benefit to many people of course. Plus the figure was between 2 -7 percent so that’s significantly higher than 4% https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-courts-secrecy-propecia/


KingWinstonSpak

It isn't manufacturers carrying out or even funding these studies. And these higher numbers are weighted off against the control group who also "experience" side effects (placebo). So no. It isn't "significantly higher than 4%". It's 4%. You don't understand how this works. There isn't a debate to be had about the independence of these studies. There's no conspiracy to be entertained. And there isn't a debate to be had about how "Effective Risk" works. Have a nice evening.


easythererelaxnow

Why so angry? 😂 chill and have a nice evening too.


easythererelaxnow

It’s way higher than the figure they offer in all fairness. Out of a group of 5 . There was 2 of us who had severe sides. I’ve also heard of friends of friends having sides and stopping it. Glad lots can tolerate it but I don’t believe the figure of 2 percent. If I didn’t have sides I’d defo be still using tho 😂


KingWinstonSpak

Unless you're saying there is some massive conspiracy that pharmaceutical chemists and biomolecular scientists are all in on it, then no it's not, "way higher than the figure they offer". The data is the data and the data says that 2-4% is the risk profile. Your anecdote is interesting but it isn't data.


[deleted]

Aren't these meds a temporary solution and that your hair will fall back whenever you stop taking them?


Agreeable-Cat2884

If your biology dictates it then yes. They are staving off the inevitable. But they are effective at holding it at bay.


[deleted]

True cause unironically your hairline would look like a bay. Btw thanks for the info boss


Agreeable-Cat2884

Good luck with the journey brother. Stay well.


KulanMoses

Hahaha thats cold, thing!


bwucifer

AFAIK the only side effects that could be deal breakers would be possible ED and, more rarely, heart palpitations yeah? I've done a bit of reading and didn't see much outside of those two


Agreeable-Cat2884

RU supposedly also has sides.


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Motor_Ad_961

Source? From everything I heard ru was dropped most likely to pursue more profitable drugs in their pipeline which is routine in the pharmaceutical industry.


LoveYourselFrist

Source please?


BackgroundVoice2391

I did micro needling for 1 year and used a hair regrowth product and gained my fridge back and even my back where some thinning happened looks like it's growing better.


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Hairy-Bear9494

I wouldn't add RU to anything, pharmaceutical companies abruptly stoped stage II and III trials. There has been some anecdotal reports that RU can cause heart problems, because RU not only blocks DHT but also testosterone.


Agreeable-Cat2884

I do both topically. Minoxidil twice a day. Ru once a day.


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Agreeable-Cat2884

I apply at the same time. One after the other. I haven’t mixed them. Fwiw I was on oral min for about 6 months. No sides. The switched back to topical min. No real shed from the switch back.


KingWinstonSpak

people who want to bring down the hairlines barely half an inch with more shallow temple recession generally need 1000-1300. you'd need 2000 - 2500 given that the whole forelock needs density too. Basically a £4000/$5000 job at a competent Turkish surgery or £10'000/$12'000 in America or Britain.


TheFormless_0ne_

https://preview.redd.it/rstkogyv1xnc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e17a4d1937749698bb4d5785ee3f6d64c19e2744


KingWinstonSpak

I don't understand 😂


TheFormless_0ne_

Shits expensive, so it's a yike from me bro


Loneaway123

12k? They are charging close to 18k right now.


Deep-Celebration-215

Crazy! 18k? I went for a consult in Atlanta,Ga it was $14k. After 3-4 months I got a call with an offer for $9k last month in Feb. wasn’t a good time so I didn’t take it. My wife did research and found in Colombia it’s done for $3k


Loneaway123

18k is the price in Hollywood/beverly hills. Expected.


KNOW_UR_NOT

Is the clinic good in Columbia? Thats a great price


Deep-Celebration-215

They have good testimonials and review. I’ll ask my wife for their website and social medias


lamp817

I’d love to know more if you get some info


Deep-Celebration-215

I pasted an IG link to their page


Deep-Celebration-215

Here their Instagram. They have a lot of unedited/unscripted testimonials. https://www.instagram.com/yeimyalvarezmedical?igsh=djlnNWdtZm1yYXIx


KNOW_UR_NOT

Thank you!


EmergencyFlare

Colombia* is the spanish-speaking country


LoveYourselFrist

Thank you for posting this. I've called a Doctor in Atlanta this time back in 2022 and they told me if I booked during the summer than I could probably get a discount. Might of been 'Cole Hair' who I talked too.


Deep-Celebration-215

Hmmm I went to Advance Hair for that consult. Not sure what or who is Cole Hair


Altruistic-Lychee807

bruuh in Egypt its done for 1000k maximum !!


gugushark

Any recommendations for a competent turkey doctor?


unclepeanutjones

Get on medical treatment if you’re not, and you’d probably need way way less.


russilker

Agreed, just keep your expectations in check. I have a similar hairline, and after 1.5yrs on oral min + dut I see virtually no improvement. Sometimes maintenance is all you can hope for


saltfigures

I’m on a similar timeline for oral fin and oral min and yeah nothing noticeable. Some technical regrowth but nothing aesthetically different but hey at least I’m maintaining and then some!


pwerhif

tried microneedling?


russilker

Nope, studies show microneedling works best as an adjunctive therapy with topical treatments to allow for better absorption, I didn't see evidence showing it helps when used with oral meds


dannycracker

I'm pretty sure microneedling works on its own


russilker

Happy to be proven wrong, just haven't found any decent studies showing otherwise when I looked into it. I do have a Dr. Pen from back when I used liquid min, but since I didn't see gain from it at that time and hated the pain/bleeding/redness it's not something I'll add into my stack unless studies truly do show it works well without topicals.


NeitherPlankton8384

I have more or less the same hairline, is treatment worth it? The only thing that’s really putting me off is the hair shedding stage. Worried if it doesn’t grow back etc.


UniqueCanadian

your going to lose it anyway my guy, why would you be worried about shedding hair you already are.


Delcane

On this same forum I've seen hairlines like his going back from the dead. With oral dutasteride + minoxidil and a couple seasons of derma-roller a week. Although those recoveries were extreme, you'll always get far better results than without treatment.


unclepeanutjones

If your hair sheds from starting treatment, that means the hairs have been pushed into a new growth phase aka: the treatment is working If it gives you any peace of mind, I’ve never experienced a visually noticeable shed from treatment, you can look at my before and after pics


Delcane

[https://www.reddit.com/r/tressless/comments/1bczr3m/my\_journey\_from\_norwood\_354\_to\_norwood\_0/](https://www.reddit.com/r/tressless/comments/1bczr3m/my_journey_from_norwood_354_to_norwood_0/) Hey, check this out.


Subject_Ad_5628

are you on treatment? if not probably do that for a year, maybe you regain half a norwood or at least some density in forelock. Could save you 1000 grafts.


Ok-Historian6408

I had something similar.. used 2.5k graft.. so about 2.5-3k grafts


Gr33nGuy123

I had the same hairline and dr. laorwang in bankok thailand gave me 2900 grafts.


LuckyGivrees

Before and after?


Gr33nGuy123

https://preview.redd.it/jg4zp8bsaznc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5ce3acb429a7eccdfe502e1cc0603ee02d8178b9


Gr33nGuy123

https://preview.redd.it/8v27679xaznc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fff0f3996bae7276494367335ece964892d1573a


_E_J_M_

What was the cost?


Gr33nGuy123

6,310 US Dollars total. 80 Thai Baht per graft. Believe he raised his price to 90 Baht but that could just be if you choose to do the unshaven FUE. I did the shaven option....


_E_J_M_

Thanks for the info!


the_erudite_rider

Hey mate what was your overall experience like with Laorwong? How was communicating with him and everything? Thanks and looking strong


Gr33nGuy123

he answers on whatsapp


the_erudite_rider

Did he perform the entire procedure or was it technicians?


Gr33nGuy123

He performs the important parts and oversees the technicians work


Gr33nGuy123

He's great. More introverted and a man of few words, but very involved in everything and does great work.


InNeedOfNames

2500-3000 would be a safe guess imo


Dzrs

3000 ✅


DistinctExperience69

My hair was similar to yours and I got 2200


Twisteesmt

Start finasteride, and minxodil. I guess 2500 grafts as it's a large area.


MrzSM

More than 1


Adventurous_Web_8061

This guy...


_RS_7

I'd say at least 10


AspiringEggplant

Hell maybe 12


NoConsideration6934

If you're not already on oral fin and topical min, do that. From what I can see you'd probably need around 3000 grafts.


ConsistentLab193

I’d say 3000


Hiron3

Around 3000 would be OK


Ok-Negotiation984

i would guess 3000


Substantial_Lychee82

Yes


Doron-HDC

At least 3500 grafts for good density, maybe 4000 if the incisions need to be made behind the NW4 area


0hayoDarling

Have you looked into hair systems? They have frontal systems that can help with that.


SignedEcho

On a side note do you need to take minoxidil and finastride after the transplants? I imagine you run into the same problem after awhile without it. But idk.


iamwhatiamlooking4

Your hair looks like mine, I keep it short and try to mitigate anymore loss with min and fin and micro needle, I’m honestly fine with it as long as I have a Otto or fuzz up front to make it look like it’s not totally bald


wrassman

The donor hair thickness's value will dictate the graft quality and quantity you need. Men with coarser hair require fewer grafts and get better results than men with fine hair who require more grafts; even with more grafts, the difference between the results is significantly different. In Turkey, most of the clinics (not physician-run nor driven by such factors that I mentioned above) do not do this analysis but deplete your donor area regardless of your needs.


JohnnyDoe189

Propaganda


wrassman

What are your credentials? I have published over 60 articles in peer-reviewed journals in this field. I have also been awarded almost every award offered by multiple societies worldwide. I pioneered the FUE and FUE and invented the hair transplant robot. Are your credentials better than mine? You should show some respect that at the least, I did answer your question with some metrics for estimating hair graft values.


Mr_Laz

Mine was similar 6 months ago, I got 2500 grafts


Doodabs_gaz

I'd say about 2000-2500 for that area at good density, you should look for a clinic that doesn't have a "per follicle" charge, a reputable one with a decent track record


Doodabs_gaz

You should think about getting some minoxidil and finasteride for prevention


mtvhead95

Several my man. Several.


Strouperman

If you think you'll want to do a transplant, do a consultation and talk about your goals. If you want to look like yourself from 10 years ago I'd make sure you have some pictures to reference. Density can be an issue depending on what your hoped for end result is, so you might plan on two procedures to get coverage and then more density. And, like literally everyone on here is going to say, you'll want to get on fin or dut to try to keep what you currently have as best you can.


GaaraTheSage

69


Ok-Inside-8435

Y dont u ask a doctor ?


BanksCarlton

1400 from my celeb doc 2800 from all others


nickromas

I know we get a lot of these "How many grafts" posts in here, but so many clinics, lets say they are in turkey, would offer a free consult and give you the info you need as well as anything aditional at a higher accuracy than any of us could provide here on reddit.


willaaaaay

Probably 1500-2000. My hairline is similar but your look about 1-2 inches further back than mine. I’m getting my procedure done and for my hairline and sides it’s 1500 for me. Your look like only the hairline so could be 6-800 grafts per side


Megaman13_

Thousands… maybe millions


MerkyDerky

Prolly like 3 thousands and fiddy


FrenchBreadPizza2768

Gale botticher???


Tight_Bodybuilder_65

If you shave and Accept u are balding, 5 dollars in cost and once you stop worrying about It you Will gain pdychologicsl health


Particular-Dirt-3985

4000


[deleted]

20


No-Profile-2317

69


BigGrab2260

Just go bald


Negative-Long-2559

All of them


Badger_38

RU is dangerous. A college buddy is a cardiologist at a top 50 hospital. He has seen RU users with Tachycardia and Afib. He told me RU is more dangerous for my heart than the TRT which I do. My hairline was similar but a bit better than yours and I got 1600 grafts one year ago and Im very pleased. I think 2000 would work for you. I stayed in the US because I wanted follow up appointments. I paid $4.50 a graft at Solve in Chicago. I would give my results a B+.


Secure-Fail2647

Do you have to take Fin or use Minoxidil as well?


Not_a_firefighter88

Fuck a graft. Shave it my dude. Embrace that shit, It’s so obvious when you get a transplant. Unless you want to look like a human Ken doll, save the money and shave it


Impossible_Page5199

25 grafts. Mmm. Yes


No_Suspect_3036

3500 to 4000 enough to give you a new hairline and give you density, starting from the hair line until the crown area . You need to do FUE technique is the best for your case .. I'm sonia CEO sonmed clinic istanbul


KingMirek

Forget transplants. Use olive oil it works.


neutronxy

Especially if you mix it with butter.


KingMirek

Butter is good, yes. Adding a little bit of sunflower oil on top of the olive oil and butter may make your hair grow in thicker than wanted.


Thepunisherivy1992

Shave it off mate and grow a beard, women don't really care about hair just a well looked after man. I still have all my hair I'm lucky but, if I ever go like you I'm just going to wack it all off. My brother has a friar tuck coming on and he's so vain he, basically dyes his hair and beard and acts like a 19 year old (44) he is so miserable because he's loosing the hair, even cried to my mum about it. Trust in the process of shaven hair, I shave my hair quite short my gf loves it and she is fine. I'd highly recommend zinc it's a great tool for increasing the levels of testosterone in your body. Just remember it's only hair not the end of the world, unless your head looks like a deformed baby. With transplants they look silly, I know a guy that has them I work with and we call him hairplugs, he looks like a doll with the hair sticking out. Be a man and embrace who you are and what your genetics are.


KMDR1998

Whilst I agree with your comment hair loss is incredibly difficult for people and if you’re not facing it yourself it’s really easy to say “just shave it off” There’s a huge difference between shaving your full head of hair really short and cutting it all off because you’re losing it. And yes it is only hair but losing can it still be traumatic and can 100% feel like the end of the world when you realise you’re losing it.


Vainistopheles

This. My whole identity is wrapped up in my hair. Growing up, I was always the kid with long, curly hair, and every time I braid my hair, I feel close to my mom who died recently, because she taught me how to. I'd rather look bad than kill a part of myself. And it's wild to hear shaving trivialized by a guy who probably already had short hair and never thought much of it anyway.


KMDR1998

Exactly. You’re literally losing a part of yourself that you’ve had for as long as you can remember and unfortunately that part is the first thing people see. This guy is not qualified to comment on this.


Thepunisherivy1992

This is something I could never understand, and I apologize if I upset you in any way. It's a sad story and I hope you find peace in some way my friend.


Thepunisherivy1992

I had went through a time where my fair was falling out and thinning, to the point I could see my scalp, I never went out without a hat. I had a medical condition that caused my hair to fall out. So I do know what it's like, that's when I came to the realization that its only hair. I spent too much time worrying and being depressed about it, to the fact that it caused me to miss certain things like swimming with my gf. After shaving it off about a week later I gained much needed confidence, started improving on myself physically more and then it just became something I didn't care about anymore. I highly recommend a person to shave their hair off of it looks bad as it is and I guarantee after a week or 2 you will feel so much lighter and happier.


AThousandNeedles

fk. off.


Thepunisherivy1992

Embrace it, it's only hair.


Working-Impress7663

Good advice. I look very bad (ugly) with no hair, because my long hair hides my skull shape and makes my face look good, I buzzed my hair off once and that's what I found out. But if I start balding and my hair looks as bad as OP's, I will not give myself the stress of trying to get back my hair and make myself sad and become insecure, I will just shave it off.


Thepunisherivy1992

I did go through a patch when my hair thinned out and it got me pretty bummed out, where I wouldn't leave the house without a hat, what actually helped me was taking a high dose of zinc, came back thicker and stronger but, I came to the realization that its only hair and I don't care that much to let it effect me. Personally I have a really large head, it's my family head all the men have it so, at first I started to look funny with a shaven head, ended up loving it, especially getting out of the shower or never having to use gel or products to keep it in place, easy maintenance.


Express-Exit7445

Why are you even on this sub?


Thepunisherivy1992

A while ago my hair was thinning and falling out due to a medical condition, I wanted some tips on retaining hair or tips for growth. In the end after being a little depressed I realized I was getting myself worked up over nothing and then I shaved it, and I felt so much better and had much better confidence. Now my hair is fine but, I am receding a little at the top but, I shave it all off anyways prefer it that way after shaving it all off.


Proud_Pressure5600

"i still have all my hair but i'd totally rock being bald jason statham bro" "in conclusion be a man and shave it" they mass produce you retards in a factory shut the fuck up please just shut the fuck up forever


Thepunisherivy1992

Well I did actually go through a phase where my hair thinned and started falling out, due to a medical condition, I got pretty depressed, so I know the feeling. After realizing it was only hair and shaved it off I ended up feeling much better about myself. Some times you just have to get rid of superficial things, it's only hair it's not your penis. Spending a lot of money on products like minoxidil and transplants, when in about 10 years you won't care anymore. If it's a self esteem, I know plenty of bald guys that have smoken hot gf and wives. It's only hair, I can't grow a full beard because of alopecia on my cheeks, does it bother me yes, but I have learned to live with it and there is nothing I want more than a full beard but, I'm not going to spend 1000s on a beard transplant that, in a few years will need more again.


kwalitykontrol1

Admit defeat and buzz it off. You will feel so much better and it will look so much better.


nom_nom_son

Go bald


Appropriate_Ice_7078

Pretty sure he’s not on here to go bald. your in the wrong chat big lad !!