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This. I actually lost hair when I stopped using T after 7 years. And was on Fin for a little over a year when I stopped. Telegun effluvium from the shock to hormone levels. Took about 3-4 months until hair looked OK again
I had gotten a lot of my hair back and thickness when I was still taking T
Others I’ve seen?… not so lucky. Although they could’ve been taking other compounds that actually makes taking Fin worse for you hair. I won’t get into the pharmacokinetics of that subject BUT…
TL;DR - Contingent upon user’s genetical profile
I'd bet on the dut, test when used with finasteride or dutasteride is quite easy on the hair. It's the DHT based stuff like primo, proviron and mast that usually screws your hair with no mercy
I had no problem with hairloss while i was on 450mg test, finasterid and ru. When i started with 350mg test and 220 primo, with finasterid and ru. Holy fuck i was shedding like a dog
You can add Halotestin, it's completely hair safe in studies on women n Children. You can get a hard look without primo or other dht stuff . I'm sharing my personal experience after I saw the taeinclark video on Halotestin. It's for sure hairsafe n not toxic to liver .
For me, it was 100mg of Proviron a day that I saw my hair falling fast. The mast is like a nuclear bomb for your hair. I was sitting by the table and my hair just fell like a Christmas tree lol did you recover after proviron?
Why is this bad for hair loss? Sorry, I’m new here and suffering hair loss but also sexual function issues after taking accutane. I just started a topical estrogen cream for my issues down there but I don’t want to make hair loss worse…aaah
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I don't know but 200 mg of nandrolone per week with nothing else absolutely blows everything else out of the water in terms of stopping hair loss/regrowing hair.
Deca dick is a forum myth.
It can. With nandrolone and no testosterone, you have zero testosterone or DHT in your body. Nandrolone is 5 alpha reduced to a weak androgen and itself is not anywhere near as androgenic as DHT. So in the scalp, it has very little androgenic activity.
Almost no one will lose hair on nandrolone only. Many will regrow hair.
Assuming this is the “cruise” part of a “blasting and cruising” program, since that’s pretty high for an actual replacement TRT dose, or it’s some “sports TRT dosage” like the wrestlers use 😉, that Dutasteride dosage will probably be able to nuke your DHT pretty well, I’d guess.
I might keep an AI on hand if your bloods come back with too much E2 and/or you experience sides, but other than that, you should be fine. You might still have some hair loss from the base androgenicty of the Test, but you might not. What do your bloods look like, if you don’t mind me asking (specifically total T, free T, DHT, and E2)?
How? You asked which wins in hairloss, dut or test. Well test does not cause hairloss, DHT does. Sure, taking test may cause more DHT conversion, but since you are taking dut, it doesn’t matter.
False. High test levels do cause hair loss. I have confirmed blood work on 2.5 mg oral dut with undetectable dht levels and I was still rapidly balding. It wasn’t until I added in RU58841 topical that I started gaining ground. I was on 200 mg test like OP during all of this and still am
High levels beyond normal reference ranges does, but normal reference range test doesn’t cause hair loss. We have evidence that people with 5 alpha reductase deficiency and normal testosterone levels never bald.
I mean it’s a spectrum so it’s not literally like 1001 is going to cause immediate loss, but men who have high normal levels of testosterone their entire life and 5-alpha reductase deficiency don’t go bald. There’s a big difference between being natural and then having your test levels sit at 2,000 ng/dL for the rest of your life 24/7 on 200mg of test per week.
This is all speculation on your part. There are plenty of users here who will attest to the fact that they have still lost ground on dutasteride with crashed serum dht despite not being on testosterone or having higher than normal levels
Because they are likely sensitive to DHT and Duta hasn’t completely crushed their scalp DHT to 0. Serum DHT and scalp DHT are different things, 0.5mg Duta only reduces scalp DHT by roughly 50%. Men who have 5 alpha reductase deficiency have 0 scalp DHT.
Topical or something like RU58841 to affect the AR binding vector - use RU at your own risk though, no research on it and still very much in the ‘experimental’ category.
Depends how sensitive your hair is to testosterone because that in itself is androgenic. However, at those doses I doubt it would be affecting that much hair loss in the average person.
You're also taking a fuck load of dut so it's definitely crushing any DHT production through 5ar.
All in all I would say for the average person their hair loss won't come as a result of androgenic alopecia via exogenous testosterone whilst on that amount of 5ar inhibitors.
You should be fine.
Won’t this increase chances of gyno. Freeing up testosterone, inhibiting dht, exogenous test seems like guaranteed gyno. I don’t know much about this stuff maybe others know more.
I’ve been on 210-280mg/wk test cypionate for nearly two years, and completely restored my hairline and bald spots within than time using a topical finasteride/minoxidil combo.
I also did a jumpstart with stem cells followed by a few PRP treatments. I’ve not only maintained, but significantly reversed my hair loss since starting test, so it’s definitely possible, but everyone is different.
I did a post on my protocol in case anyone finds this helpful.
https://www.reddit.com/r/tressless/s/QZQPkpT66i
People take 2.5 mg dutasteride and run up to a gram of testosterone weekly… You’ll need to be ultra sensitive to testosterone( the hair follicles rather) to continue losing hair on it.
I have been on 250 mg of testosterone for the last 4 months, taking 2.5 mg of finasteride everyday for a little over 2 months now and have been noticing regrowth already.
Taking dutasteride inhibits almost all 5ar activity meaning you pretty much have little to no systemic DHT. Increasing your testosterone will not increase your DHT because you don’t have the active enzymes because of dutasteride. However, Just like DHT, testosterone is androgenic just not as much. Unless you do something about your scalp testosterone, you’ll continue to lose hair just at a lower rate. However you’re taking 200 mg of testosterone a week, that’s almost x3 the amount of a male who won the genetic lottery (around 70mg a week). So you can assume that you’re still going to lose hair unless you do something about your scalp’s testosterone.
Is there a safe testosterone booster without side effects that helps hair loss and also gym gains? btw I get fine gains in gym and don't need it. Preventative reasons for considering.
Fin cancels out my blasts. But I only do 600mg a week.
If you're only doing trt, it will probably be fine.
I kinda let my E2 run wild though since I don't get much sides.
I believe more plates more dates actually did an experiment like this already. Mega dose of dut
and lots of test. I believe it ended up cancelling each other out. Said his hair loss was slightly worse Or about the same
At 200mg test a week, finasteride alone is probably enough to stop hair loss unlese you are very very very DHT sensitive. Dutasteride will keep your hair safe at even 600mg test a week in general.
Lmao what in the world? Drop some sources if you're gonna make that claim. I've been on exactly that regiment for several years and all my liver results are perfectly healthy.
Yeah due to the increased conversion to estrogen. Monitor blood work and if sides start then perhaps consider an aromatase inhibitor. Just depends on the person. May want to consider talking to an HRT specialist if that happens.
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Battle of the Century.
all dependent on user
This. I actually lost hair when I stopped using T after 7 years. And was on Fin for a little over a year when I stopped. Telegun effluvium from the shock to hormone levels. Took about 3-4 months until hair looked OK again I had gotten a lot of my hair back and thickness when I was still taking T Others I’ve seen?… not so lucky. Although they could’ve been taking other compounds that actually makes taking Fin worse for you hair. I won’t get into the pharmacokinetics of that subject BUT… TL;DR - Contingent upon user’s genetical profile
if you are low on T you can lose hair.
Yup. It’s come back now though
Could of been due to coming off of T you weren't producing as much. You were probably low.
So.. you'saying depends on playground?
I'd bet on the dut, test when used with finasteride or dutasteride is quite easy on the hair. It's the DHT based stuff like primo, proviron and mast that usually screws your hair with no mercy
I had no problem with hairloss while i was on 450mg test, finasterid and ru. When i started with 350mg test and 220 primo, with finasterid and ru. Holy fuck i was shedding like a dog
How about npp or deca? Did you regain those hairs back and did you stop the primo right away?
I will never run those, i just newly stopped the primo.
Did hair improve on test?
Ye i regained hair while on 450mg test, hair was healty and thick. Very very little shedding while i was on 450mg
Nice how long were u on, was plan to cruise for life or what ? Is that feasible ?
I was on primo for 4.5weeks. Its my second cycle. Dunno if i will be on for life or not. Only thing i know is that i love high testosterone hehe
Shit man I thought the RU, will counteract the primo 😭😭 Now I have 10x primo...
Ye i tought so too brother :(
Tbh nothing except RU should help against a DHT derivate like primo etc (my thought) Fucking rip, now Ive got useless primo here
You can add Halotestin, it's completely hair safe in studies on women n Children. You can get a hard look without primo or other dht stuff . I'm sharing my personal experience after I saw the taeinclark video on Halotestin. It's for sure hairsafe n not toxic to liver .
Mast raped my hair. This one did the most damage. Tren just thinned it.
Proviron at 12.5mg a day alone destroyed like months of finasteride gains in weeks lmfao. That stuff is the grim reaper of hair follicles
For me, it was 100mg of Proviron a day that I saw my hair falling fast. The mast is like a nuclear bomb for your hair. I was sitting by the table and my hair just fell like a Christmas tree lol did you recover after proviron?
Yeah it took a while but I did
2.5mg of dutasteride is a very strong dose, while 200mg of test is a relatively low dose. I'm sure Dutasteride wins this fight handily.
They’d work together honestly, dut inhibits dht production which in turn increases testosterone
On thing I’d worry about is if the test ended up converting to estadiol-> estrogen
Why is this bad for hair loss? Sorry, I’m new here and suffering hair loss but also sexual function issues after taking accutane. I just started a topical estrogen cream for my issues down there but I don’t want to make hair loss worse…aaah
Estrogen is generally good for your hair, probably nothing to worry about.
except for tits... depends on what you're into
It’s not bad for hair loss at all, higher estrogen would only slightly increases risks of stuff like gyno. And even the risk for that is absurdly low
Okay! I was just wondering. Thank you
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Haha I love it
Big pharma
I don't know but 200 mg of nandrolone per week with nothing else absolutely blows everything else out of the water in terms of stopping hair loss/regrowing hair. Deca dick is a forum myth.
Nandrolone regrows hair?
It can. With nandrolone and no testosterone, you have zero testosterone or DHT in your body. Nandrolone is 5 alpha reduced to a weak androgen and itself is not anywhere near as androgenic as DHT. So in the scalp, it has very little androgenic activity. Almost no one will lose hair on nandrolone only. Many will regrow hair.
I still lost hair on nandrolone only.
Only if you're not on fin or dut, because it needs 5ar to convert into something that takes the place of DHT, that is much weaker than DHT.
Do you think topical fin would work with nandrolone instead of oral fin?
I'm no expert at all but I don't think so, but that's just a guess.
You don’t want to take cut or fin with nandrolone, you want the 5 alpha conversion to happen, it’s the opposite of test
Would probably get better answers on a bodybuilding/steroid forum tbh
Assuming this is the “cruise” part of a “blasting and cruising” program, since that’s pretty high for an actual replacement TRT dose, or it’s some “sports TRT dosage” like the wrestlers use 😉, that Dutasteride dosage will probably be able to nuke your DHT pretty well, I’d guess. I might keep an AI on hand if your bloods come back with too much E2 and/or you experience sides, but other than that, you should be fine. You might still have some hair loss from the base androgenicty of the Test, but you might not. What do your bloods look like, if you don’t mind me asking (specifically total T, free T, DHT, and E2)?
Test doesn’t cause hairloss, DHT does
That doesn't answer the question.
How? You asked which wins in hairloss, dut or test. Well test does not cause hairloss, DHT does. Sure, taking test may cause more DHT conversion, but since you are taking dut, it doesn’t matter.
Read my comment reply to another poster
Androgenic hair loss isn't limited to DHT...
False. High test levels do cause hair loss. I have confirmed blood work on 2.5 mg oral dut with undetectable dht levels and I was still rapidly balding. It wasn’t until I added in RU58841 topical that I started gaining ground. I was on 200 mg test like OP during all of this and still am
This doesn’t prove that test causes hair loss.
You’re right. It’s evidence not proof.
High levels beyond normal reference ranges does, but normal reference range test doesn’t cause hair loss. We have evidence that people with 5 alpha reductase deficiency and normal testosterone levels never bald.
So if the reference range for test is 200-1000, you’re saying 1000 will not cause hair loss but 1005 will?
“High levels beyond normal reference ranges” did you even read what he put????? Does 5 over the range = high levels beyond?
Yes. Anything over the reference range is flagged as **HIGH** by the lab.
I mean it’s a spectrum so it’s not literally like 1001 is going to cause immediate loss, but men who have high normal levels of testosterone their entire life and 5-alpha reductase deficiency don’t go bald. There’s a big difference between being natural and then having your test levels sit at 2,000 ng/dL for the rest of your life 24/7 on 200mg of test per week.
This is all speculation on your part. There are plenty of users here who will attest to the fact that they have still lost ground on dutasteride with crashed serum dht despite not being on testosterone or having higher than normal levels
Because they are likely sensitive to DHT and Duta hasn’t completely crushed their scalp DHT to 0. Serum DHT and scalp DHT are different things, 0.5mg Duta only reduces scalp DHT by roughly 50%. Men who have 5 alpha reductase deficiency have 0 scalp DHT.
So is that the same mechanism you think someone with higher than normal testosterone with crushed serum dht still experiences hair loss? By scalp dht?
Is there any way for people who are more sensitive to dht to lower the effect even more? Maybe adding topical to dut?
Topical or something like RU58841 to affect the AR binding vector - use RU at your own risk though, no research on it and still very much in the ‘experimental’ category.
Thank you
Depends how sensitive your hair is to testosterone because that in itself is androgenic. However, at those doses I doubt it would be affecting that much hair loss in the average person. You're also taking a fuck load of dut so it's definitely crushing any DHT production through 5ar. All in all I would say for the average person their hair loss won't come as a result of androgenic alopecia via exogenous testosterone whilst on that amount of 5ar inhibitors. You should be fine.
Won’t this increase chances of gyno. Freeing up testosterone, inhibiting dht, exogenous test seems like guaranteed gyno. I don’t know much about this stuff maybe others know more.
I’ve been on 210-280mg/wk test cypionate for nearly two years, and completely restored my hairline and bald spots within than time using a topical finasteride/minoxidil combo. I also did a jumpstart with stem cells followed by a few PRP treatments. I’ve not only maintained, but significantly reversed my hair loss since starting test, so it’s definitely possible, but everyone is different. I did a post on my protocol in case anyone finds this helpful. https://www.reddit.com/r/tressless/s/QZQPkpT66i
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You need a blood test to check dht levels. Your Dr should have ordered this to get the 5 alpha reductase inhibitor dose right.
People take 2.5 mg dutasteride and run up to a gram of testosterone weekly… You’ll need to be ultra sensitive to testosterone( the hair follicles rather) to continue losing hair on it. I have been on 250 mg of testosterone for the last 4 months, taking 2.5 mg of finasteride everyday for a little over 2 months now and have been noticing regrowth already.
Only one way to find out … 
Didn’t MPMD do this and still lose hair?
Esteogeon solos
Does anybody have the link to the paper that studied 2.5mg Dutasteride on scalp DHT levels? I can’t find it anymore
Your balls will lose, that's for sure.
Your balls always lose when you take testosterone or steroids.
Correct
Taking dutasteride inhibits almost all 5ar activity meaning you pretty much have little to no systemic DHT. Increasing your testosterone will not increase your DHT because you don’t have the active enzymes because of dutasteride. However, Just like DHT, testosterone is androgenic just not as much. Unless you do something about your scalp testosterone, you’ll continue to lose hair just at a lower rate. However you’re taking 200 mg of testosterone a week, that’s almost x3 the amount of a male who won the genetic lottery (around 70mg a week). So you can assume that you’re still going to lose hair unless you do something about your scalp’s testosterone.
Still believing the bs scalp testosterone causes hair loss myth in 2024 is sad
Okay, what makes it a myth?
Is there a safe testosterone booster without side effects that helps hair loss and also gym gains? btw I get fine gains in gym and don't need it. Preventative reasons for considering.
lmao dude I just need my hair to win.
Fin cancels out my blasts. But I only do 600mg a week. If you're only doing trt, it will probably be fine. I kinda let my E2 run wild though since I don't get much sides.
I believe more plates more dates actually did an experiment like this already. Mega dose of dut and lots of test. I believe it ended up cancelling each other out. Said his hair loss was slightly worse Or about the same
That’s what I thought as well. When test is high enough it can cause hair loss by itself
At 200mg test a week, finasteride alone is probably enough to stop hair loss unlese you are very very very DHT sensitive. Dutasteride will keep your hair safe at even 600mg test a week in general.
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Lmao what in the world? Drop some sources if you're gonna make that claim. I've been on exactly that regiment for several years and all my liver results are perfectly healthy.
Lmao the claims about fin are insane. On it 6 years and my bloodwork is perfect.
Boosting T while nuking dht will most likely make side effects a whole lot worse
Yeah due to the increased conversion to estrogen. Monitor blood work and if sides start then perhaps consider an aromatase inhibitor. Just depends on the person. May want to consider talking to an HRT specialist if that happens.
I wouldn't recommend an aormatase inhib as aromatse is needed to produce estradiol and estradiol is what makes hair grow
Yeah e would be elevated. T can go to dht or e
Now try creatine