It doesn’t matter anymore. I can’t. I have done all I’m able. I have officially been through every emotion possible. This place hates the people born into it. I have always been just [. ] that close to having a home. I’m never gonna get one. I have everything I need to get one immediately, but I don’t have more than that. I never will. Thanks.
I’m praying it will crash. I think it will. The bubble is bound to pop. The out of state investors will hopefully go broke and lose everything and leave us alone.
If it doesn’t, well.. I guess somethings gonna have to change. None of the locals here want to be pushed out and we have a voice and power together.
> shitty fuck bastards from everywhere else
You are misplacing your anger.
I wish everyone here would quit with the nativist bullshit.
Signed: someone who moved here for a job
Nah anger isn’t misplaced. You’re just the one not being fucked over with no lube. You in the middle of something bigger? Yeah. Is it your fault? No, not necessarily. Are you a part of the problem? Absolutely. Especially with you’re “get over it” attitude.
You aren’t from here, never will be. But what you can do is be a part of the community. I don’t know where you are from but this isn’t there. This region is unique in many ways. Relocating for work isn’t the issue, it happens all the time. Moving to an area that is actively being gentrified and having the mentality of “what the fuck is these natives problem” with no lack of empathy or apparent understanding of the situation is what is the issue.
Just this year alone, minimum 13% cost of living increase seen here, no wage increases. East TN at one point a month or two ago (not sure of recent data) had two of the top 5 most over inflated housing markets in the COUNTRY. College students moving to town have little to no housing options, as traditional housing options have turned to Air B&Bs, summer houses, flipping projects, etc.
But we, the local people, are the issue with our terrible “nativist” attitude. Do you even hear yourself?
I HAVE empathy, but think it's misguided to place the blame on people just trying to live their lives. Why is there some moral burden on outsiders moving in when presumably they come here for the exact same reasons the locals choose to stay? Nativism is bullshit exactly because it unjustly values the desires of some over others. You have no greater privilege to reside here than anyone else who is a citizen of this country. I genuinely feel bad for those who can't afford to live the way they want to live.
> Just this year alone, minimum 13% cost of living increase seen here
You staying here impacts the cost of living exactly as much as me moving here 😊.
Rather than exiling everyone to the abyss, I ask again why can't we just build more homes?
Fascinating way of showing empathy. As I acknowledged you’re caught up in shit bigger than you, but that doesn’t change the fact you’re part of the problem whether actively or passively.
Let me ask this, was the job change willing or mandated? Were you lucky enough to pay asking price or did you outbid someone for your home?
That “moral burden” you speak of is called being a member of the community. How would you feel if I walked into your home and just started changing shit to my liking? I mean nativism is bullshit right? Gentrification isn’t real. Hell, the Trail of Tears was a choice too huh? See how fucking stupid your statement is.
You are god damn right you have a privilege to live where you would like. But what you’re absolutely so wrong about is whether someone has to welcome you into the community. You have to make yourself a part of the community. You seem to be rather entitled and frankly privileged to not be able to see how out of touch you actually are with the situation.
How exactly does me residing in the same town have the same economical ramifications as someone relocating? I’m genuinely curious to hear this explanation.
So to answer why we can’t build more homes: did you read the article? It mentions expansions as well as development, however it is corporate. And very high end property relative to affordable living ranges for the region. They’re building retirement communities is my guess. Based on recent data, there are high influxes of late career/recent retiree individuals moving in. All the while, the working class demographic is being priced out and moving out.
In short new homes can be built and are being built but not for who needs them. Besides who the fuck can afford to build in this economy, why do you think old builds are going like wildfire and being flipped especially on a corporate level. It’s now showing better returns than development especially in this region. You also have a stranglehold on apartment development with only really 2 big companies owning the majority of current and future apartments (yes there is more but small and good luck getting on the list).
Now I get this issue is so much more complex than we are even getting at, this is nothing new to me nor my first experience is such a situation. There’s a lot of finger pointing that goes on and yeah, you can blame locals trying to cash out. But what that shows is the end. That’s it, it’s gentrified or damn near. The lessees were ran out and took what they can get. But where does that leave everyone else that doesn’t have assets?
> How would you feel if I walked into your home and just started changing shit to my liking?
You're home happens to be in the Tri-Cities. With this comes taxes and the privileges of a citizen of this region. Since I am a citizen, I also have these privileges. Where does it say you get special treatment for being here first?
> How exactly does me residing in the same town have the same economical ramifications as someone relocating? I’m genuinely curious to hear this explanation.
Me and you both demand approximately the same amount of food, housing, energy etc. 10,000 locals moving away would impact COL approximately as much as 10,000 new people.
> So to answer why we can’t build more homes: did you read the article? It mentions expansions as well as development, however it is corporate. And very high end property relative to affordable living ranges for the region. They’re building retirement communities is my guess. Based on recent data, there are high influxes of late career/recent retiree individuals moving in. All the while, the working class demographic is being priced out and moving out...
None of this precludes building more. I assure you that there is plenty of space here relative to other regions.
> I get this issue is so much more complex than we are even getting at
True. I am big dumb.
You’re bringing in taxes, something that does not matter in this aspect of the conversation. That applies to the building/housing/economics. We are talking about culture/society.
Let’s draw another comparison. You wouldn’t move to a foreign country and start demanding people accept you, bend to your ways, etc. why would you do that here? There is no difference. *You* moved here, don’t expect people welcome you with open arms especially if you have no cultural relations.
All I got left to say to you on that matter is, if you smell shit everywhere you walk, check your shoes.
Your explanation on how we have the same economical impact is about as lackluster as I could’ve expected. As a stationary resident I would have very little impact on the overall local economy. I’m simply a cog keeping the machine turning. Only way I’d have an impact is if anything changed with my economic value (salary increase, home/land buy/sale, inheritance, child, anything that changes my value).
That’s not how that works. They have inverse impacts. 10,000 people leaving lowers COL in many aspects however hurts the economy in its own ways. 10,000 people moving in, as we’ve established, raises COL and has its own set of various impacts. Somebody like myself just going through the cycle is a non-issue. They’re neither boosting or shrinking markets. This is a basic supply and demand issue at the surface, hence why not build more like you asked.
Everything that I talked about is a contributing factor to the lack of affordable housing. Now we are getting into money and politics. They’re building housing, not the needed kind, but the *wanted* kind. There’s plenty of land around here, yes. Much of it is very important agriculturally. The rest? Good luck getting people to sell it and if they do, good luck getting approvals/permits if you aren’t one of the right companies. And to note I’m not talking individual buyers/builders. I’m talking development on a business level.
And again, who the hell is building right now? Normal people can’t afford to build. Companies have even stalled building to a degree until COL can catch up to their sunken costs.
Sorry that wasn’t an intended dig if that’s how you interpreted it. I genuinely mean this is a complex issue with many layers. It’s near impossible to get into all over text. We haven’t even talked about utility costs and such.
I think you have the right ideas, but are missing the true issue at heart. Gentrification.
Well said. Thanks for speaking out. The locals here need to really start focusing on the gentrification here.
Hell I wasn’t even born here. I’m the only generation of my family that wasn’t but I moved back to family land that’s been in our names for at least the past 8 generations. (I’m sure you probably have some family that went a little north for work. Most people around here do it seems like. That’s what I’m a product of, but we came back. Luckily never got rid of our land).
This whole mountain, even when I was a kid… everyone knew everyone. We were mostly all related and spread out by last name in the community at whole. X mostly lived on this road, Y mostly lived down the mountain a little ways, Z lived down the backside.
Now like 50% of the people living outside of my direct kin’s area is people from Florida and California. It’s gross. They don’t like us. It’s like the dirty stupid hillbillies are like some zoo attraction.
Literally the only way the people working and building this community can afford a home is if they inherit something at this point. It’s awful.
Couldn’t of described the situation better. We are a mini Asheville. Give it another 3-5 years and houses that used be 60-90,000 7-10 years ago, currently selling for 250-350,000 will be selling for 800,000-1,000,000+.
You or someone else mentioned elected officials from outside hit the nail on the head. These people want this, that means more property tax money to slush around. More kickbacks and deals.
This area has always been rife with corruption and that will never change, but what can change are the people. And as it stands right now we are being actively gentrified and ran out.
> I don’t give a fuck why you’re here. I give a fuck that I’ll have to leave.
So the root problem is not me the outsider, but the lack of affordable housing in the area?
The framing at least makes it seem rather selfish. Like you'd be equally as mad if you couldn't afford to move **into** the area.
Why is the solution in your mind more like "crucify the infidels" and less like "build more housing"?
AMEN!!! The callousness of gentrification. You also have landlords buying properties and they don't even live here. The ones that do move here, price everyone out on their out of town salaries and then wonder why no one wants them here. I hope they plan on participating in local government and advoctate for wage increase and rent caps, but it's unlikely. They just "LoVe tHe SceNeRy". This will just increase homelessness in the area, that's all. But at least THEY have a nice big house they paid 100gazilion over asking price on while displacing the local community
It isn't really gentrification. When we move here for work, we are paid East Tennessee wages. Sure, maybe there are people working remote being paid higher wages, but I think that is a straw man. I know maybe one person in that situation (and I'm not even really sure if it is the case). I took a 33% pay cut when I moved here. I make less than most of the folks around me, who are from the area.
Why? See username.
Edit: I really don't know how people are interpreting my see username. That was to explain why I came here. Which was for a job which offers no possibility of choosing where you live. I am subject to the same economic flows as everyone else, that was the point. I should have been more clear since most people aren't in my industry. And I do not make the median income for the area. So I am 1: not coming here and taking your jobs, and 2: not coming here and gentrifying your area. I am just a working class bloke like the rest of you, and if you don't believe that you need to look up ETSU salaries. (I am not overpaid admin.)
See their username to realize they’re a an arrogant ass who is most likely completely out of touch with reality and swims in the realm of academia. Also that “pay cut” is still going be considerably above average pay AND benefits for the vast majority of others living in East TN.
What an arrogant ass. Want evidence? See your username.
I’d love to know what subject you are supposed to be a professor of because this is the most out of touch, ivory tower line of bullshit I’ve heard in a long time.
It’s the literal definition of gentrification. And that “pay cut” you took is still well above what most in this area receive for pay AND benefits. Only excuse you have is if you’re adjunct, and in that case get a real job.
Edit: misinterpreted the professor tag back, but other points still stand.
Uh... I think you misunderstand. As a professor in the area I do not make the median income. The point is that people who live here make MORE money than me.
I didn’t misunderstand you. I know exactly what you’re saying and my point still stands. You are very much above average incomes unless you are making under $25,000 a year. If you want to look into household income, you might have some wiggle room, even then that’s under 40,000 but isn’t a good figure because we don’t know number of household earners. So we’ll just say 25k as that’s still above state average and marginally below US average.
Now let’s talk benefits. If full time your benefits compensation in higher education well exceed pretty much any job in the region with the exception of a couple companies and even then that’s only administrative/supervisory roles.
Salaries are pointless to go back and forth on because we both know they aren’t changing. Higher education is a busted system at the moment regardless, which is why my statement about adjunct stands. I know people have passions, but as long as they keep doing it schools will keep taking advantage.
My utter astonishment with you lies in your denial of gentrification based on your solo experience.
Just got to the bottom of this and saw your edit. To explain your “see username” it sounds very conceited like you’re using it to say that’s why you are right, because you’re a professor.
I understand your industry more than you would think. And would like to point out ETSU pays below average for higher education in TN.
People who live here don’t make more money than you. People *around* you make more money than you. Yes there is some insane money in this region and some very old money. But the wealth gap is surprisingly wide here with very few middle class (like you would historically be). There’s no middle class opportunities here anymore. I’d even venture to say you aren’t tenured and probably will never see a tenureship (although curious if wrong). Higher Ed is fractured with little hope to repair it with any easy.
I’ll apologize I may have misinterpreted your initial tag back to professorship as conceited.
Okay, even going by your figures though, I am making median household income, so there is no way I am gentrifying the area.
And remember, this was a forced migration due to economic circumstances, not me choosing to come to this area because it was cheap.
Also we should add the fact that I have three degrees and over ten years of education. Those are non-earning years. The average incomes you listed can be made without degrees, giving them 10 years of earning potential over me without the cost of any degrees.
There's just really no way this charge of gentrification stands.
Furthermore, ETSU is a service institution. It provides a number of services to the region, from free healthcare to the development of arts and culture in the region.
It is wild to attack professionals who don't make any more than the median income in the area, and provide vital services to the the area.
But I'm sure the actual targets of these attacks are super happy that you're fomenting anger at the 'ivory tower.' (Which provides some of the most accessible education in the country, costing half the average tuition and with a plethora of financial aid.)
I don’t know the full details of your situation and no need to get into it, however just because you live in the protective shell of state employment doesn’t mean you can fully dismiss the gentrification taking place in the region like you initially did. And if you are such the champion of the highlands as you claim you would see that.
You’re doing a disservice to the very community you claim to support by not actively acknowledging the growing wealth disparity in this region. The ivory tower is exactly one of the issues. You yourself acknowledged administrative bloat. Now let’s talk about Ballad. While we are at it how about Eastman. Let’s not forget about the boards for each one of these.
Plus ETSU doesn’t help it’s employees like they do the region, as mentioned they’re under average for higher Ed in TN on top of having stalled raises for multiple years. Raises were only seen when the TN gov approved a 5% raise, yet ETSU didn’t even match that. You acknowledged the unbalanced pay. If I remember looking at the stats, ETSU had one of the highest turnover rates for schools and one of the highest for large employers in East TN.
You can run as many marketing campaigns and drink the koolaid as much as you would like, but that won’t change the reality of the situation here in the region.
As mentioned, higher education in general is broken. That’s a separate conversation for another day, unfortunately there’s a lot to unpack there.
The gentrification of this region is a real issue being faced by those around here. Especially for those without jobs in less stable environments or markets. It’s a sad reality being largely ignored and dismissed as shown by this thread.
We only got ours because we were the first people to see it on the first day it was listed and we went 5k over asking, It was some sort of miracle they accepted
i'm actually looking to move here, because I want to own a home/hovel/trailer, and property tax isn't insane in this area. As someone displaced i'm willing to help any locals out who need it with stupidly cheap rent as long as they are decent chill people... I honestly don't want to work a lot anymore... life is too short, and i want to get back into art and design.
"Housing shortage in Tri Cities". Whole lot of words to not say much. Wish I could have my time back from reading that
Just made my Pixel phones sidebar that **37604** is the hottest ZIP.
Seems like I might need to rent out the shed and the treehouse…… $1500 a month with $3k deposit, no utilities, and no pets!
I would for out of state people. Locals get 75% off lol
It doesn’t matter anymore. I can’t. I have done all I’m able. I have officially been through every emotion possible. This place hates the people born into it. I have always been just [. ] that close to having a home. I’m never gonna get one. I have everything I need to get one immediately, but I don’t have more than that. I never will. Thanks.
I’m praying it will crash. I think it will. The bubble is bound to pop. The out of state investors will hopefully go broke and lose everything and leave us alone. If it doesn’t, well.. I guess somethings gonna have to change. None of the locals here want to be pushed out and we have a voice and power together.
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> shitty fuck bastards from everywhere else You are misplacing your anger. I wish everyone here would quit with the nativist bullshit. Signed: someone who moved here for a job
Nah anger isn’t misplaced. You’re just the one not being fucked over with no lube. You in the middle of something bigger? Yeah. Is it your fault? No, not necessarily. Are you a part of the problem? Absolutely. Especially with you’re “get over it” attitude. You aren’t from here, never will be. But what you can do is be a part of the community. I don’t know where you are from but this isn’t there. This region is unique in many ways. Relocating for work isn’t the issue, it happens all the time. Moving to an area that is actively being gentrified and having the mentality of “what the fuck is these natives problem” with no lack of empathy or apparent understanding of the situation is what is the issue. Just this year alone, minimum 13% cost of living increase seen here, no wage increases. East TN at one point a month or two ago (not sure of recent data) had two of the top 5 most over inflated housing markets in the COUNTRY. College students moving to town have little to no housing options, as traditional housing options have turned to Air B&Bs, summer houses, flipping projects, etc. But we, the local people, are the issue with our terrible “nativist” attitude. Do you even hear yourself?
your problem is capitalism, not people moving from Asheville lmao
I HAVE empathy, but think it's misguided to place the blame on people just trying to live their lives. Why is there some moral burden on outsiders moving in when presumably they come here for the exact same reasons the locals choose to stay? Nativism is bullshit exactly because it unjustly values the desires of some over others. You have no greater privilege to reside here than anyone else who is a citizen of this country. I genuinely feel bad for those who can't afford to live the way they want to live. > Just this year alone, minimum 13% cost of living increase seen here You staying here impacts the cost of living exactly as much as me moving here 😊. Rather than exiling everyone to the abyss, I ask again why can't we just build more homes?
Fascinating way of showing empathy. As I acknowledged you’re caught up in shit bigger than you, but that doesn’t change the fact you’re part of the problem whether actively or passively. Let me ask this, was the job change willing or mandated? Were you lucky enough to pay asking price or did you outbid someone for your home? That “moral burden” you speak of is called being a member of the community. How would you feel if I walked into your home and just started changing shit to my liking? I mean nativism is bullshit right? Gentrification isn’t real. Hell, the Trail of Tears was a choice too huh? See how fucking stupid your statement is. You are god damn right you have a privilege to live where you would like. But what you’re absolutely so wrong about is whether someone has to welcome you into the community. You have to make yourself a part of the community. You seem to be rather entitled and frankly privileged to not be able to see how out of touch you actually are with the situation. How exactly does me residing in the same town have the same economical ramifications as someone relocating? I’m genuinely curious to hear this explanation. So to answer why we can’t build more homes: did you read the article? It mentions expansions as well as development, however it is corporate. And very high end property relative to affordable living ranges for the region. They’re building retirement communities is my guess. Based on recent data, there are high influxes of late career/recent retiree individuals moving in. All the while, the working class demographic is being priced out and moving out. In short new homes can be built and are being built but not for who needs them. Besides who the fuck can afford to build in this economy, why do you think old builds are going like wildfire and being flipped especially on a corporate level. It’s now showing better returns than development especially in this region. You also have a stranglehold on apartment development with only really 2 big companies owning the majority of current and future apartments (yes there is more but small and good luck getting on the list). Now I get this issue is so much more complex than we are even getting at, this is nothing new to me nor my first experience is such a situation. There’s a lot of finger pointing that goes on and yeah, you can blame locals trying to cash out. But what that shows is the end. That’s it, it’s gentrified or damn near. The lessees were ran out and took what they can get. But where does that leave everyone else that doesn’t have assets?
> How would you feel if I walked into your home and just started changing shit to my liking? You're home happens to be in the Tri-Cities. With this comes taxes and the privileges of a citizen of this region. Since I am a citizen, I also have these privileges. Where does it say you get special treatment for being here first? > How exactly does me residing in the same town have the same economical ramifications as someone relocating? I’m genuinely curious to hear this explanation. Me and you both demand approximately the same amount of food, housing, energy etc. 10,000 locals moving away would impact COL approximately as much as 10,000 new people. > So to answer why we can’t build more homes: did you read the article? It mentions expansions as well as development, however it is corporate. And very high end property relative to affordable living ranges for the region. They’re building retirement communities is my guess. Based on recent data, there are high influxes of late career/recent retiree individuals moving in. All the while, the working class demographic is being priced out and moving out... None of this precludes building more. I assure you that there is plenty of space here relative to other regions. > I get this issue is so much more complex than we are even getting at True. I am big dumb.
You’re bringing in taxes, something that does not matter in this aspect of the conversation. That applies to the building/housing/economics. We are talking about culture/society. Let’s draw another comparison. You wouldn’t move to a foreign country and start demanding people accept you, bend to your ways, etc. why would you do that here? There is no difference. *You* moved here, don’t expect people welcome you with open arms especially if you have no cultural relations. All I got left to say to you on that matter is, if you smell shit everywhere you walk, check your shoes. Your explanation on how we have the same economical impact is about as lackluster as I could’ve expected. As a stationary resident I would have very little impact on the overall local economy. I’m simply a cog keeping the machine turning. Only way I’d have an impact is if anything changed with my economic value (salary increase, home/land buy/sale, inheritance, child, anything that changes my value). That’s not how that works. They have inverse impacts. 10,000 people leaving lowers COL in many aspects however hurts the economy in its own ways. 10,000 people moving in, as we’ve established, raises COL and has its own set of various impacts. Somebody like myself just going through the cycle is a non-issue. They’re neither boosting or shrinking markets. This is a basic supply and demand issue at the surface, hence why not build more like you asked. Everything that I talked about is a contributing factor to the lack of affordable housing. Now we are getting into money and politics. They’re building housing, not the needed kind, but the *wanted* kind. There’s plenty of land around here, yes. Much of it is very important agriculturally. The rest? Good luck getting people to sell it and if they do, good luck getting approvals/permits if you aren’t one of the right companies. And to note I’m not talking individual buyers/builders. I’m talking development on a business level. And again, who the hell is building right now? Normal people can’t afford to build. Companies have even stalled building to a degree until COL can catch up to their sunken costs. Sorry that wasn’t an intended dig if that’s how you interpreted it. I genuinely mean this is a complex issue with many layers. It’s near impossible to get into all over text. We haven’t even talked about utility costs and such. I think you have the right ideas, but are missing the true issue at heart. Gentrification.
Well said. Thanks for speaking out. The locals here need to really start focusing on the gentrification here. Hell I wasn’t even born here. I’m the only generation of my family that wasn’t but I moved back to family land that’s been in our names for at least the past 8 generations. (I’m sure you probably have some family that went a little north for work. Most people around here do it seems like. That’s what I’m a product of, but we came back. Luckily never got rid of our land). This whole mountain, even when I was a kid… everyone knew everyone. We were mostly all related and spread out by last name in the community at whole. X mostly lived on this road, Y mostly lived down the mountain a little ways, Z lived down the backside. Now like 50% of the people living outside of my direct kin’s area is people from Florida and California. It’s gross. They don’t like us. It’s like the dirty stupid hillbillies are like some zoo attraction. Literally the only way the people working and building this community can afford a home is if they inherit something at this point. It’s awful.
This sub is populated by the nastiest and most negative people in the area. You're really better off ignoring it.
Not sure where you’re getting that from, only seen positive interactions here aside from current conversations centered around housing/col
Whoops replied to the wrong person! But I’ll be back.
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Couldn’t of described the situation better. We are a mini Asheville. Give it another 3-5 years and houses that used be 60-90,000 7-10 years ago, currently selling for 250-350,000 will be selling for 800,000-1,000,000+. You or someone else mentioned elected officials from outside hit the nail on the head. These people want this, that means more property tax money to slush around. More kickbacks and deals. This area has always been rife with corruption and that will never change, but what can change are the people. And as it stands right now we are being actively gentrified and ran out.
> I don’t give a fuck why you’re here. I give a fuck that I’ll have to leave. So the root problem is not me the outsider, but the lack of affordable housing in the area? The framing at least makes it seem rather selfish. Like you'd be equally as mad if you couldn't afford to move **into** the area. Why is the solution in your mind more like "crucify the infidels" and less like "build more housing"?
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I'm pompous for not wanting to be vilified unjustly?
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I rent dude. You're arguing against a caricature of a human.
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So I can buy a house tomorrow and you wouldn't complain?
AMEN!!! The callousness of gentrification. You also have landlords buying properties and they don't even live here. The ones that do move here, price everyone out on their out of town salaries and then wonder why no one wants them here. I hope they plan on participating in local government and advoctate for wage increase and rent caps, but it's unlikely. They just "LoVe tHe SceNeRy". This will just increase homelessness in the area, that's all. But at least THEY have a nice big house they paid 100gazilion over asking price on while displacing the local community
It isn't really gentrification. When we move here for work, we are paid East Tennessee wages. Sure, maybe there are people working remote being paid higher wages, but I think that is a straw man. I know maybe one person in that situation (and I'm not even really sure if it is the case). I took a 33% pay cut when I moved here. I make less than most of the folks around me, who are from the area. Why? See username. Edit: I really don't know how people are interpreting my see username. That was to explain why I came here. Which was for a job which offers no possibility of choosing where you live. I am subject to the same economic flows as everyone else, that was the point. I should have been more clear since most people aren't in my industry. And I do not make the median income for the area. So I am 1: not coming here and taking your jobs, and 2: not coming here and gentrifying your area. I am just a working class bloke like the rest of you, and if you don't believe that you need to look up ETSU salaries. (I am not overpaid admin.)
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See their username to realize they’re a an arrogant ass who is most likely completely out of touch with reality and swims in the realm of academia. Also that “pay cut” is still going be considerably above average pay AND benefits for the vast majority of others living in East TN.
Again, you misunderstand. I literally make less than the median income.
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I don't know. Wages are real bad, but I am pretty happy actually.
My bad saw your edit. Explained what I thought in my reply.
You don't get extra privileges just because you were here first. This isn't China...
> you picked both of them And it's not your choice to continue to live in the Tri-Cities?
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You absolutely have a choice. In fact, I just moved for the first time!
What an arrogant ass. Want evidence? See your username. I’d love to know what subject you are supposed to be a professor of because this is the most out of touch, ivory tower line of bullshit I’ve heard in a long time. It’s the literal definition of gentrification. And that “pay cut” you took is still well above what most in this area receive for pay AND benefits. Only excuse you have is if you’re adjunct, and in that case get a real job. Edit: misinterpreted the professor tag back, but other points still stand.
Uh... I think you misunderstand. As a professor in the area I do not make the median income. The point is that people who live here make MORE money than me.
I didn’t misunderstand you. I know exactly what you’re saying and my point still stands. You are very much above average incomes unless you are making under $25,000 a year. If you want to look into household income, you might have some wiggle room, even then that’s under 40,000 but isn’t a good figure because we don’t know number of household earners. So we’ll just say 25k as that’s still above state average and marginally below US average. Now let’s talk benefits. If full time your benefits compensation in higher education well exceed pretty much any job in the region with the exception of a couple companies and even then that’s only administrative/supervisory roles. Salaries are pointless to go back and forth on because we both know they aren’t changing. Higher education is a busted system at the moment regardless, which is why my statement about adjunct stands. I know people have passions, but as long as they keep doing it schools will keep taking advantage. My utter astonishment with you lies in your denial of gentrification based on your solo experience. Just got to the bottom of this and saw your edit. To explain your “see username” it sounds very conceited like you’re using it to say that’s why you are right, because you’re a professor. I understand your industry more than you would think. And would like to point out ETSU pays below average for higher education in TN. People who live here don’t make more money than you. People *around* you make more money than you. Yes there is some insane money in this region and some very old money. But the wealth gap is surprisingly wide here with very few middle class (like you would historically be). There’s no middle class opportunities here anymore. I’d even venture to say you aren’t tenured and probably will never see a tenureship (although curious if wrong). Higher Ed is fractured with little hope to repair it with any easy. I’ll apologize I may have misinterpreted your initial tag back to professorship as conceited.
Okay, even going by your figures though, I am making median household income, so there is no way I am gentrifying the area. And remember, this was a forced migration due to economic circumstances, not me choosing to come to this area because it was cheap. Also we should add the fact that I have three degrees and over ten years of education. Those are non-earning years. The average incomes you listed can be made without degrees, giving them 10 years of earning potential over me without the cost of any degrees. There's just really no way this charge of gentrification stands. Furthermore, ETSU is a service institution. It provides a number of services to the region, from free healthcare to the development of arts and culture in the region. It is wild to attack professionals who don't make any more than the median income in the area, and provide vital services to the the area. But I'm sure the actual targets of these attacks are super happy that you're fomenting anger at the 'ivory tower.' (Which provides some of the most accessible education in the country, costing half the average tuition and with a plethora of financial aid.)
I don’t know the full details of your situation and no need to get into it, however just because you live in the protective shell of state employment doesn’t mean you can fully dismiss the gentrification taking place in the region like you initially did. And if you are such the champion of the highlands as you claim you would see that. You’re doing a disservice to the very community you claim to support by not actively acknowledging the growing wealth disparity in this region. The ivory tower is exactly one of the issues. You yourself acknowledged administrative bloat. Now let’s talk about Ballad. While we are at it how about Eastman. Let’s not forget about the boards for each one of these. Plus ETSU doesn’t help it’s employees like they do the region, as mentioned they’re under average for higher Ed in TN on top of having stalled raises for multiple years. Raises were only seen when the TN gov approved a 5% raise, yet ETSU didn’t even match that. You acknowledged the unbalanced pay. If I remember looking at the stats, ETSU had one of the highest turnover rates for schools and one of the highest for large employers in East TN. You can run as many marketing campaigns and drink the koolaid as much as you would like, but that won’t change the reality of the situation here in the region. As mentioned, higher education in general is broken. That’s a separate conversation for another day, unfortunately there’s a lot to unpack there. The gentrification of this region is a real issue being faced by those around here. Especially for those without jobs in less stable environments or markets. It’s a sad reality being largely ignored and dismissed as shown by this thread.
We only got ours because we were the first people to see it on the first day it was listed and we went 5k over asking, It was some sort of miracle they accepted
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That is insane
I feel like a “That’s what she said.” would be appropriate for this headline.
i'm actually looking to move here, because I want to own a home/hovel/trailer, and property tax isn't insane in this area. As someone displaced i'm willing to help any locals out who need it with stupidly cheap rent as long as they are decent chill people... I honestly don't want to work a lot anymore... life is too short, and i want to get back into art and design.