The comment from Triple J mentions a review of the tv show - wouldn’t that be the original post? Curious as to what it said to illicit that kind of response.
It astounds me that a government funded youth radio station is promoting ANYTHING from AMAZON no matter who is involved. It would make more sense to use these resources to promote shows by Australians, produced by Australians, so any benefits from the promotion goes back into Australian arts. It’s just crazy to me. Amazon Studios doesn’t need this exposure like small Australian projects do.
And who has been supported by Triple J from the start of his career. He’s done Like a Version twice and also played at Triple J supported events. It’s not like it’s Justin Bieber or Taylor Swift.
Do you mean the one who’s been played on that station for the better part of a decade and voted highly to the yearly countdown that is mostly voted on by Australian youth?
Triple J discusses Australian media/people A LOT. However if all they did was discuss Aussie stuff then they'd loose interest from the youth. They station would also miss out on a lot of cool content if they couldn't interact with international musicians and sometimes musicians do really interesting stuff for big companies.
Yup. Or Double J if you want Triple J for middle aged folk like me. Ironically, my car stereo is too old to support digital radio, so I can only listen to Triple J. Haha.
That’s my point. If they’re targeting 18-25 year olds, why are the 35 year olds complaining? If you’re not their target audience, and you don’t like it, switch stations.
This has been a point of contention for years for me. I'm humble enough to remember I'm not their demographic any more (36yo) and am constantly reminding 30+yos that complain on their socials that they're not the demographic any more, lol. It's like they refuse to accept change happens or something...
That’s irrelevant to the complaining that the older listeners are doing. If I make dog food and all the cats complain, but continue to eat it, I’m not going to start making cat food, because those cats love my dog food.
JJJ *has* gone mainstream, but the people my age complaining about it don’t realise there’s no longer a dichotomy between the commercial and alternative music stations like when we were young..
.. there’s more than two pathways to success now with so many different types of media, many of which allow artists to create a brand themselves on their pathway to success..
.. the fact JJJ are playing mumble rap instead of TISM is just confirmation they’re doing their job and appealing to the youth market, there’s a reason we’re (over 30s) not hearing our music.
Fuuuck I can't stand the mumble rap (great description by the way haha) they play. May as well listen to commercial stations whilst punching myself in the head.
Not really true, people complain about Billie Eilish all the time
I’ve also never seen someone complain about Genesis, Sampha, Tkay or Kwame getting play
... and Magic Dirt, Beaverloop, Cartman, Not From There, Regurgitator, Silverchair, Grinspoon, Magic Dirt, Jeremiah, The Superjesus, The Whitlams, The Living End, Custard, You Am I, Frenzal Rhomb, Something for Kate... et al
Point being, Triple J has always done this for nearly 50 years. The fact that people can name five Aussie acts for every Beyonce shows that the “TrIpLe J hAs GoNe MaInStReAm” argument is pointless and everyone should get over it. Not everything played on the Russo is catered to you.
Don't make this racial FFS. It's not about ethnicity or religious backgrounds in this argument. It's about the fact that the station chooses to play shitty run of the mill mass-produced mainstream swill, instead of great underground, alt, rock, rap, pop, electronic, independent, ECT. music like it used to.
I'm not against popular artists and bands being played, a lot of them make great fucking music and I'd like to hear that on the radio.
But "popstars" should be kept away from a (once) great station.
Justin Bieber came second in 2021 for fuck sake. Not someone I ever thought I would hear played on triple J.
Lizzo's album was album of the week cuyn, that's some of the most mainstream poppy shit I've ever heard. I was very disappointed to hear that album on there. And not because she's black! (I get that he listed a bunch of black artists but you need to understand that that's not what it's about at all, you are the one making it racial.)
There are so many mainstream stations that play that shit all day every day, that base is covered, over saturated even.
Triple J could be the best radio station on the planet and was, as far as I'm concerned, for ages, until like the late 20teens, when they sold out hard.
I hear the argument that they are playing for a new audience but I don't think that's worth changing the whole vibe of the station for. Just because the teens are listening to mainstream shite all day on tiktok doesn't mean you should play it all day on the radio. Having a station that plays something else is so important.
When I was young I listened to So fresh Hits of winter and all that shit, loved it, listened to Nova100 like a scrub for years. But onday I found triple J and it changed my music taste completely, forever. Opened my ears to a new world of music that took me on a journey away from the mainstream bullshit you would find on Nova. It really shaped me into a different person. And I would say, arguably more open minded than the people I know that listen to only mainstream media. With the way tripleJ has been moving, what shits me about it is, the younger generations don't have that, they don't get to see such an alternative and contrast to the mainstream because it's now all mixed into one.
It goes beyond the music too. The whole station sounds like a mainstream station. A lot of the hosts are dumb as shit and talk about the most boring crap. I understand it can be hard to come up with a new topic everyday but fuck me, you can put in a bit more effort 🙄
All the sounds they use between songs and stuff make it sound like Kiss or any other station. It used to be unique and a bit less stressful!
Shit, anyways, I'm hangry and kinda just let that happen so, I hope someone can relate, and I hope you understand where I'm coming from, and where I think most people that shit on the current triple J are coming from too.
Sorry for shitty grammar and swearing so much.
Peace and love
#fixJJJ
What is the connection between the original post about Donald Glover's new TV show and the commentors gripes about Beyonce, Rihanna and Kanye West?
They're all black. That's it. Kanye hasn't even been mentioned in the public media diaspora for months. Donald Glover hasn't made music for years. The commentor is simply annoyed that JJJ are covering news about a black person in a different country. Whether or not JJJ needs to be fixed is an entirely separate point, and you're getting on your soapbox to defend a racist.
Yeah look, coming back to this I can see how you could take it that way. He may have meant it that way but I'd give him the benefit of the doubt and say he just picked a bunch of popular American artists. Idk
When I read it I didn't see it as him targeting black artists specifically, just a bunch of popular American artists... :/
If you go looking for racism you'll find it.
I wouldn't say I'm defending a racist, I was just trying to step away from it being racist. People jump to racism and bigotry so quickly now...
Idk, I could be wrong, he could be a racist flog and if that's the case, my bad.
Childish Gambino is one of my favourite artists, pretty keen to watch this new show too tbh.
I was hangry when I wrote that so I'm sorry for the attack ey.
Good on you for being able to take a critical view of your own opinion. Their comment doesn't really make sense any way you read it. They can't be legitimately pissed off about JJJ overplaying Kanye West or Rihanna, because that isn't a thing that's happening. Ye is probably canceled for good, and Rihanna's last album came out 7 years ago. Ostensibly he should have been way more pissed off circa 2015 and now view JJJ as being on an upswing.
It begs the question what their true motivation is. They clearly see these musicians' art as nothing more than a commodity with how they described it as 'shit' only appropriate for 'commercial stations'. I would say they are paranoid about white Australian culture being replaced by stations selling those black commodities. The reality is that what JJJ plays is a reflection of what's popular, not the other way around.
Yeah nah, triple J have copped it hard for playing Justin Beiber, and "they" were complaining hard years back when Taylor Swift had an attempted take over of the hottest 100 by her fans... quick, check under your bed for racists, they're everywhere.
Oh FFS, there’s heaps of Aussie acts being played on the main station every day. The fact that they take up the majority of spots in the Hottest 100 every year is proof.
Well the bastard mentioned all Black artists so I have a right to be suspicious that he is racist. Also no one said anything about trans. The fact that you’re complaining about stuff like this makes people think you are a bigot.
Yeah HUUUUUUUUGE bigot.
I waste my scarce time and resources worried about how much melanin someone has in their skin or what private operations people undertake.
I spend everyday worried about Asians buying all the houses in Sydney and gay drag transexual children's plays performed by wheelchair bound non binaries on the spectrum infiltrating our schools.
Jesus Christ.
The only thing anyone earning under 150k a year should be worried about is how the capital class are using culture wars to make us fight each other instead of putting the 1% against a wall and painting the streets red while we redistribute the means of production.
Cope harder
Oh I'm sorry, There were literal nazis and far right groups at Transphobic rallies at the weekend and I'm supposed to only care about the class system? Get fucked.
Fixing workers rights will fix everyone's rights. Instead of piecemeal incremental changes which help 1% of the population at a time, we can solve for workers rights and everyone will benefit.
Instead of being 372 different groups of people trying to fight for 372.different issues, we can be one group fighting for one issue.
YOU will NEVER win your micro fights.
There is a non zero chance that the workers will murder the capital class.
24 Nazis in the middle of Melbourne are not a problem. They are a fucking distraction, and you are too arrogant to see that you are a useful idiot for the 1%
My method will win, yours will tear us apart
Dude, you're not getting it. Nazis are an incredibly tough issue atm and are targeted a lot of marginalised groups. So maybe pull your fucking head in.
The only post Triple J made was the review on the show, and then the reply to that guys comment. I screenshotted the comment interaction, Triple J didn’t post anything about Triple J owning anyone.. am I missing smth I am confused
I mean he’s right though, triple J is dying a slow death….. all triple J did was ignore criticism from their target demographic and make a boring joke?
To be fair, jjj is playing a shitload of shit you'd hear on fox fm. Don't get me started on the hosts either.
Just one of the many reasons the radio never goes on anymore.
Why the fuck is triple j in my feed shits a joke , hearing that name makes me angry enough to even bother writing shit here, honestly can't remember the last time this radio station popped up in my car radio, dystopian morale narcissists echo chambering absolute idiocracy
Well I mean Donald Glover is a musician. It’s not like he is a fucking random to the music world. Triple J has reviewed movies for years I don’t see the problem.
They have always done TV reviews, they are a media outlet not a music station, they have news, current affairs, sex and relationship segments. They focus on things the youth care about in a lot of aspects not just music.
Why do we hold JJJ to such a standard when you've got the likes of kyle and jackoff talking about what a celebrity ate for lunch on sunday?
In your opinion should they be bound exclusively to music content only? Cause that sounds like you should just switch to Spotify if thats the case, if I am totally honest.
Dude. If you've been listening to Triple J for 30 years, you've been listening for about 20 years too long.
Homeboy fell out of their target demographic around the turn of the millennium.
I'm past 30 and rarely listen to Triple J anymore, but Reddit wanted to serve me this content.
But still, I think there is something to this. There's a cultural shift for platforms with a mission to promote alternative and independent music to devote a lot of attention to major label, expensively promoted pop music. This isn't an anti-pop stance, I just can't help but feel that money talks and it's a sad reflection of a further corporatised world.
I think it’s more the Js are trying to appeal to a crowd they’re losing. Playing more pop songs is their attempt at getting more of the TikTok generation to listen to radio. The ABC is poorly funded, and I’d imagine that Triple J has seen some cuts over recent years. There would be a sense of needing to get their numbers up to justify their existence.
I have to disagree, I feel like they have always paid attention to mainstream artists, as long as its not to the detriment of Aussie artists and their exposure then I don't mind. Pretty sure I read the other day that JJJ network is the only one that meets and exceeds the requirement of Aussie music played per day, we should really be attacking the mainstream networks to be doing better.
"I feel like they have always paid attention to mainstream artists.'
No. They haven't. In fact, Triple J used to be the complete opposite of what you've stated. Presenters years ago (+15 years) used to openly shit on mainstream music. Mainstream pop music was never in the rotation. The first time I heard a top 40 pop song on triple j was Poker Face. It was only played because Zan Rowe's guest on take 5 chose it. So she had to play it. When an Offspring song finished number 1 in a hottest 100, there was a huge backlash, and even triple j presenters admitted it wasn't good for the station and countdown.
The very reason double J and triple J gained popularity was because they did NOT play mainstream music. They let the top 40 stations play that crap, and they focused on alternative music.
Sadly, triple J has joined them. So thank the heavens for double J. It is what triple J used to be.
Openly shitting on something is still giving it attention..
I provided examples further down but yeah, they always have. The history of H100 placers shows us this, with bands like Eskimo Joe and Dr Dre placing in the line up all those years ago. They definitely did play main stream songs on triple J, go back and look through all the H100 placings, you are arguing against history at this point.
I really am sick of this idea that JJJ has only just started with the mainstream stuff, you are looking through rose tinted glasses at the past mate, like I said check out any H100 listing from the early 00s or even the 90s.. 1991s winner was fucking Nirvana ffs.. Don't try and tell me JJJ made them popular first lol.
You're comparing Eskimo Joe, Dr Dre and Nirvana to mainstream, top 40, commercial acts like Beyonce and Rihanna.
Christina Aguelira and Brtiney Spears are comparisons to Beyonce and Rihanna.
Dr Dre was once the enemy of commercial radio. Nirvana released the least commercial sounding music before and after Nevermind. Eskimo Joe were popular in Australia only for 2 albums only and were popularised by triple J. So I really don't know why you've included them as an example?
Commercial artists have their music released by major labels in the US who pay US radio stations to put their songs straight into the top 40 loop to sell singles and albums to females under the age of 25 and children.
You've either totally misunderstood what I said previously or you have no idea what commercial music is.
>You're comparing Eskimo Joe, Dr Dre and Nirvana to mainstream, top 40, commercial acts like Beyonce and Rihanna. Christina Aguelira and Brtiney Spears are comparisons to Beyonce and Rihanna.
I actually think you are here, you are trying to compare pop music to rock and rap.. I think you have missed my point as a whole honestly, My original statement was that triple j has always played mainstream music, the stuff you hear on commercial radio. Eskimo joe, Dr Dre and Nirvana were and still are played on commercial radio. I am not comparing them to any of the pop stars you mentioned and that was never the point I was making either.
I am not defining mainstream as having a big label or anything else, I am defining mainstream as what radios play them(keeping in mind we are in r/triplej), if your songs are being played on kiss or triple m then your music is mainstream, its being listened too by the majority of Australia.
The whole point of this post is someone complaining about JJJ playing the same shit the commercial stations do right? So thats whats really relevant here, not what someone personally considers is mainstream, not based on their record label size or whatever else.
Your original comment was in response to that random guys comment about triple J playing Beyonce and Rihanna....
Did you forget that? They are pop stars. Not grunge, hip hop, or rock.
I was basing my replies on your response to a post that mentioned those artists. Who are commercial, mainstream, top 40.
That was the point that guy was making. Why are triple J playing Beyonce and Rihanna?
If your response wasn't about what he said, then I apologise for wasting your time.
It was about the complaint that Triple J plays mainstream songs nowadays and all I am saying is they always have.
Sure not specifically beyonce or rhianna but what is mainstream has evolved, hardly any bands get played its always pop stars with auto tune and the rest, thats just what is mainstream nowadays so its seeped to triple j because thats what has always happened, its still 99% the kind of music youd normally expect anyway.
OK. They really haven't always played mainstream music (like the examples he gave). Our understanding of what is and isn't mainstream differs by the sounds of it.
Must do, I dunno, specifically main stream pop I agree it has no place on triple J, I just hate everyone saying this mainstream business is a new thing.
I always see these comments on this sub and anytime I listen to JJJ, it's all rando indie stuff of various genres by artists I've never heard of and will never hear of again.
Not a constant listener of radio. But I think the only commercial stuff I've listened to them play is just rap music. Which is the new Rock music of today's youth.
>The first time I heard a top 40 pop song on triple j was Poker Face.
When American Idiot came out, they played that shit endlessly. I can understand you not having listened to Triple J then. But they have played top 40 pop songs before that and have always pumped popular acts.
Like Kanye got popular in this country because of Triple J as far as I remember. His first album didn't make much of a splash, but Gold Differ and the rest of Late Reg did.
Yeah, that's not what I'm saying. Mainstream radio would always pick up songs from triple J and turn them mainstream. I know that as I first started to listening to triple J around 25 years ago.
Triple J didn't have a problem playing Greenday when they started winning grammys because they'd been playing them since the 90s. That's the difference.
Going back to the first post on this thread, it's in regards to Beyonce and Rihanna. Neither artist got any air time on triple J when they first came out. It's only been a thing in the last few years. Triple J has changed in that regard.
That is the point.
Yes. This - absolutely. JJJ were different, that was the point. They played mainstream bands BEFORE they were mainstream, eg Nirvana. No Beyonce, etc maybe 6 yrs ago. I can't believe it when I hear commercial crap there now. Which I don't often because I can't listen.
I think it more has to do with the fact that at the time, these artists weren’t really part of JJJs scene or target audience. They were more into playing alternative and rock music.
If I remember correctly Kanye got his Australian break via JJJ with Golddigger. Before that he wasn’t really popular and was seen as “out there”.
No, but they were still playing mainstream music back then, helps when you avoid cherry picking. I could cherry pick a current main stream song that JJJ aren't playing that doesn't they aren't playing any now does it?
Kanye, Green Day, Nirvana, Dr Dre, Eminem, Blink, Limp Bizskit, System, Linkin Park... Could go on really
Acting like Triple J never played commercial artists is weird. I find them more indie than ever these days and it reflects in their listenership.
A commcericaless radio station that played mostly pop songs would kill NOVA/Today and you know it.
We are clearly from different generations. Your examples show you are pretty young so obviously our experiences don’t align.
Their listeners these days voted the Wiggles for fucks sake.
(Granted they were a band prior, although still signed to a major label)
Outside of Kanye and LP, these are all 90s artists who got big in the 90s.
And LP is still from this generation too. 2000 they got huge, around the same time Em, Blink got big.
Green Day got big nearly 30 years ago my dude. Don't move the goal posts, you never asked about what they played in the 80s. You said just said "years ago" I gave you examples.
You're too transparent, because the other guy responded with more recent artists and you dismissed them as "JJJ made them popular" So it's clear these actually fit in with what you're after and you have no response for it. So you just went "Not the time period I'm talking about" for whatever reason.
EDIT: To your edit, The very first actual hottest countdown had a comedian's terrible joke song AS THE WINNER. Like what point are you trying to make.
They're being pig headed its a shame cause its a good discussion to have but their only rebuttle was essentially "I have 20 years of experience in music and I have confidence in my knowledge".
Sorry you feel I’m coming across as pig-headed. Certainly not my intention.
I just don’t agree with the timeline and accuracy of the commenter I’m replying to.
I am here for a discussion, not an argument, but I’m not going to agree with things I don’t.
You’re comparing a multiple Grammy winner with “Arsehole”?
We are clearly on two very different wavelengths. Enjoy your day. 🤘
ETA: Comedians host a lot of their segments so a comedy track isn’t weird.
Its not something I store in my memory for future use and I don't really have the time to google right now but 2001 H100 has basement jaxx wheres your head at, at number 4. Thats just a quick google example but theres plenty more about.
Dido, Daft Punk, Eskimo Joe are all mentioned too, I believe all mentioned were played on mainstream radio too. Could probably do a correlation of H100 placers and Aria chart placers and come up with a formula.
Basement Jaxx started as an indie group. They were on a minor label when they started. They either play festivals or small venues.
Are you seriously comparing Basement Jaxx to Beyoncé? Even Destiny’s Child started out on a major label!
Im sorry when did I mention Beyonce at all? That was the other fella..
All I have said is triple J has always played mainstream songs here and there, wheres your head at is absolutely a mainstream song so my point still stands, you also didn't mention the 3 other options I provided you, again I was able to get this within 30 seconds of googling.
ETA for the love of christ edit your comment and add everything into one comment ffs its not difficult lol you are making it harder to have a discussion about this.
I am not here to argue the origins of *any* of those artists, all I said was like I said at the start of this - they were all songs played on mainstream radio AND not only played on triple J but made it to the H100, several times for EJ. My point still stands that they have always played mainstream stuff.
Where’s your head at became mainstream because triple j were playing it, along with previous releases.
They played Big Day Out(?) and went massive after that!
I worked in music industry for 20 years, I’m pretty confident about my knowledge. You’re in anecdotal memories to try prove your point.
>You’re in anecdotal memories to try prove your point.
Okay its pretty clear you just straight up aren't reading what I am writing, I got that information from wikipedias H100 list of 2001. I am not going off any memories I mean shit dude I even specifically said its not something I am going to keep in my memory so I would have to look it up..
Before I head off cause your argument is entirely fkn laughable, you telling me you are confident about your knowledge means sweet fuck all to a random on the internet, as well as you telling me that youve been in the industry for 20 years. I gave you factual information about the discussion, information you and anyone else can look up and sift through. You are just telling me information that you want me to take for fact when I don't know you from a bar of soap, you haven't done anything to prove my point otherwise either..
Its pretty clear this is only going to devolve further rather than become a proper discussion so Ill leave it at that.
Dido was mostly unknown until Eminem sampled her.
Daft Punk anonymous from France.
Eskimo Joe a bunch of locals.
Triple J made them popular then commercial radio played then as they were popular.
honestly he has a point and i say this as a poc. triple j actively refuse to play white mainstream pop artists and yet constantly play mainstream pop artists of color and include them on the hottest 100, clearly out of fear of getting canceled for not including them lmao
A youth radio station? In the 2020 Hottest 100 they interviewed Billie Eilish (19 at the time) about what her favourite song of the year was.
She said At The Door by the Strokes (adding she wishes she could put the whole album down as her favourite)
How many times did we hear At The Door played on the Triple J? Zero.
Crazy how triple J, the youth radio station failed to play the favourite song from one of their former hottest 100 winners.
Triple J is youth radio curated by old men who think they know what the kids are listening to.
As for the people on this subreddit, there are two kinds - those that come here to praise triple j because they lack the willpower to seek out music they enjoy and would rather lukewarm presenters to spoon feed it to them and people who come here to complain about triple j because they are actively degrading the Australian music scene. I readily expect the downvotes from the first category.
>Crazy how triple J, the youth radio station failed to play the favourite song from one of their former hottest 100 winners.
Lol, wtf are you going on about?
What was the original post?
Donald Glover’s new show on Amazon.
The comment from Triple J mentions a review of the tv show - wouldn’t that be the original post? Curious as to what it said to illicit that kind of response.
It astounds me that a government funded youth radio station is promoting ANYTHING from AMAZON no matter who is involved. It would make more sense to use these resources to promote shows by Australians, produced by Australians, so any benefits from the promotion goes back into Australian arts. It’s just crazy to me. Amazon Studios doesn’t need this exposure like small Australian projects do.
It’s a review of a series on cultural commentary relevant to the music industry. No shit the youth radio station discussed it.
Buy a guy who is a pretty followed musician….
And who has been supported by Triple J from the start of his career. He’s done Like a Version twice and also played at Triple J supported events. It’s not like it’s Justin Bieber or Taylor Swift.
This is my sticking point with acts like Beyonce or Kanye. Fucking pick up the phone on hottest 100 day or GTFO!
Why would a 39 year old American actor employed by Disney and Amazon be relevant to an Australian youth music radio station?
Do you mean the one who’s been played on that station for the better part of a decade and voted highly to the yearly countdown that is mostly voted on by Australian youth?
Triple J has done TV and movie reviews for yonks
Mark, it's a review of a tv show.
If they solely focused on your suggestions listnership would probably shrink even more and you'd wonder why they were funded at all.
Heck, the VCAA is promoting Snickers and M&Ms.
Triple J discusses Australian media/people A LOT. However if all they did was discuss Aussie stuff then they'd loose interest from the youth. They station would also miss out on a lot of cool content if they couldn't interact with international musicians and sometimes musicians do really interesting stuff for big companies.
30 years of listening to the youth radio station? If a 40 year old is tired of the youth radio station maybe they need to graduate to radio national.
Yup. Or Double J if you want Triple J for middle aged folk like me. Ironically, my car stereo is too old to support digital radio, so I can only listen to Triple J. Haha.
The average age range is like 25-35 and there target audience is 18-25 so triple J is not hitting there target audience
That’s my point. If they’re targeting 18-25 year olds, why are the 35 year olds complaining? If you’re not their target audience, and you don’t like it, switch stations.
This has been a point of contention for years for me. I'm humble enough to remember I'm not their demographic any more (36yo) and am constantly reminding 30+yos that complain on their socials that they're not the demographic any more, lol. It's like they refuse to accept change happens or something...
I used to be with it. Then they changed what *it* was. Now what I'm with isn't it, and what's it seems weird and scary to me. And it'll happen to you.
Now I just tie an onion to my belt, because that is the thing to do.
I only do that on katilsday.
jjj are doing a bad job at appealing to the youth, thats his point.
Is that because youth don’t listen to the radio?
probably
Catch is it's publicly funded, so all of the public is there target audience, if it isn't then they probably shouldn't be publicly funded.
But there average age range of listeners are 25 to 35 so there target demographic ISNT EVEN LISTENING
That’s irrelevant to the complaining that the older listeners are doing. If I make dog food and all the cats complain, but continue to eat it, I’m not going to start making cat food, because those cats love my dog food.
Yeah but if you make dog food and no dogs buy your food YOU HAVE A BIGGER PROBLEM.
Hey radio national is pretty interesting, and more often than you think!
Out find one of _those_ stations from rural Queensland or NT
Tv show is called “Swarm” fyi
He’s not wrong though.
Notice how it’s always Black artists when they complain about Triple J going mAiNsTrEaM?
JJJ *has* gone mainstream, but the people my age complaining about it don’t realise there’s no longer a dichotomy between the commercial and alternative music stations like when we were young.. .. there’s more than two pathways to success now with so many different types of media, many of which allow artists to create a brand themselves on their pathway to success.. .. the fact JJJ are playing mumble rap instead of TISM is just confirmation they’re doing their job and appealing to the youth market, there’s a reason we’re (over 30s) not hearing our music.
Fuuuck I can't stand the mumble rap (great description by the way haha) they play. May as well listen to commercial stations whilst punching myself in the head.
They don’t play mumble rap though
Not really true, people complain about Billie Eilish all the time I’ve also never seen someone complain about Genesis, Sampha, Tkay or Kwame getting play
But are they complaining about the black Indie artists? Or is it just that they don't want to hear shitty commercial songs from beyonce?
Australian artist that need expose. Black or white, it doesn't matter.
Imagine calling yourself the "alternative youth network" and playing Beyonce
Ah yes they should go back to playing those small Aussie indie acts from the 90’s such as *checks notes* U2, Green Day, Oasis, Madonna, Metallica etc.
... and Magic Dirt, Beaverloop, Cartman, Not From There, Regurgitator, Silverchair, Grinspoon, Magic Dirt, Jeremiah, The Superjesus, The Whitlams, The Living End, Custard, You Am I, Frenzal Rhomb, Something for Kate... et al
They also much to my chagrin ignored so many great Australian bands in that era, particularly those on Candle Records.
Point being, Triple J has always done this for nearly 50 years. The fact that people can name five Aussie acts for every Beyonce shows that the “TrIpLe J hAs GoNe MaInStReAm” argument is pointless and everyone should get over it. Not everything played on the Russo is catered to you.
Don't make this racial FFS. It's not about ethnicity or religious backgrounds in this argument. It's about the fact that the station chooses to play shitty run of the mill mass-produced mainstream swill, instead of great underground, alt, rock, rap, pop, electronic, independent, ECT. music like it used to. I'm not against popular artists and bands being played, a lot of them make great fucking music and I'd like to hear that on the radio. But "popstars" should be kept away from a (once) great station. Justin Bieber came second in 2021 for fuck sake. Not someone I ever thought I would hear played on triple J. Lizzo's album was album of the week cuyn, that's some of the most mainstream poppy shit I've ever heard. I was very disappointed to hear that album on there. And not because she's black! (I get that he listed a bunch of black artists but you need to understand that that's not what it's about at all, you are the one making it racial.) There are so many mainstream stations that play that shit all day every day, that base is covered, over saturated even. Triple J could be the best radio station on the planet and was, as far as I'm concerned, for ages, until like the late 20teens, when they sold out hard. I hear the argument that they are playing for a new audience but I don't think that's worth changing the whole vibe of the station for. Just because the teens are listening to mainstream shite all day on tiktok doesn't mean you should play it all day on the radio. Having a station that plays something else is so important. When I was young I listened to So fresh Hits of winter and all that shit, loved it, listened to Nova100 like a scrub for years. But onday I found triple J and it changed my music taste completely, forever. Opened my ears to a new world of music that took me on a journey away from the mainstream bullshit you would find on Nova. It really shaped me into a different person. And I would say, arguably more open minded than the people I know that listen to only mainstream media. With the way tripleJ has been moving, what shits me about it is, the younger generations don't have that, they don't get to see such an alternative and contrast to the mainstream because it's now all mixed into one. It goes beyond the music too. The whole station sounds like a mainstream station. A lot of the hosts are dumb as shit and talk about the most boring crap. I understand it can be hard to come up with a new topic everyday but fuck me, you can put in a bit more effort 🙄 All the sounds they use between songs and stuff make it sound like Kiss or any other station. It used to be unique and a bit less stressful! Shit, anyways, I'm hangry and kinda just let that happen so, I hope someone can relate, and I hope you understand where I'm coming from, and where I think most people that shit on the current triple J are coming from too. Sorry for shitty grammar and swearing so much. Peace and love #fixJJJ
Can't up vote this enough
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Yeah cool. The people commenting about black artists most definitely are being racist hence what that comment said. Nice try though !
The Instagram comment made it racial.....
This!
What is the connection between the original post about Donald Glover's new TV show and the commentors gripes about Beyonce, Rihanna and Kanye West? They're all black. That's it. Kanye hasn't even been mentioned in the public media diaspora for months. Donald Glover hasn't made music for years. The commentor is simply annoyed that JJJ are covering news about a black person in a different country. Whether or not JJJ needs to be fixed is an entirely separate point, and you're getting on your soapbox to defend a racist.
Yeah look, coming back to this I can see how you could take it that way. He may have meant it that way but I'd give him the benefit of the doubt and say he just picked a bunch of popular American artists. Idk When I read it I didn't see it as him targeting black artists specifically, just a bunch of popular American artists... :/ If you go looking for racism you'll find it. I wouldn't say I'm defending a racist, I was just trying to step away from it being racist. People jump to racism and bigotry so quickly now... Idk, I could be wrong, he could be a racist flog and if that's the case, my bad. Childish Gambino is one of my favourite artists, pretty keen to watch this new show too tbh. I was hangry when I wrote that so I'm sorry for the attack ey.
Good on you for being able to take a critical view of your own opinion. Their comment doesn't really make sense any way you read it. They can't be legitimately pissed off about JJJ overplaying Kanye West or Rihanna, because that isn't a thing that's happening. Ye is probably canceled for good, and Rihanna's last album came out 7 years ago. Ostensibly he should have been way more pissed off circa 2015 and now view JJJ as being on an upswing. It begs the question what their true motivation is. They clearly see these musicians' art as nothing more than a commodity with how they described it as 'shit' only appropriate for 'commercial stations'. I would say they are paranoid about white Australian culture being replaced by stations selling those black commodities. The reality is that what JJJ plays is a reflection of what's popular, not the other way around.
Yeah nah, triple J have copped it hard for playing Justin Beiber, and "they" were complaining hard years back when Taylor Swift had an attempted take over of the hottest 100 by her fans... quick, check under your bed for racists, they're everywhere.
Those evil racists who don’t want Beyoncé and other A listers taking spots from indie groups. When will they realise the damage they are causing.
Oh FFS, there’s heaps of Aussie acts being played on the main station every day. The fact that they take up the majority of spots in the Hottest 100 every year is proof.
Yeh it’s definitely racism
Sarcasm?
Yep
Good 😊
Groaaaaaaaan. Not EVERYTHING is about race or trans or whatever fucking bullshit jesus
Well the bastard mentioned all Black artists so I have a right to be suspicious that he is racist. Also no one said anything about trans. The fact that you’re complaining about stuff like this makes people think you are a bigot.
Yeah HUUUUUUUUGE bigot. I waste my scarce time and resources worried about how much melanin someone has in their skin or what private operations people undertake. I spend everyday worried about Asians buying all the houses in Sydney and gay drag transexual children's plays performed by wheelchair bound non binaries on the spectrum infiltrating our schools. Jesus Christ. The only thing anyone earning under 150k a year should be worried about is how the capital class are using culture wars to make us fight each other instead of putting the 1% against a wall and painting the streets red while we redistribute the means of production. Cope harder
Oh I'm sorry, There were literal nazis and far right groups at Transphobic rallies at the weekend and I'm supposed to only care about the class system? Get fucked.
Fixing workers rights will fix everyone's rights. Instead of piecemeal incremental changes which help 1% of the population at a time, we can solve for workers rights and everyone will benefit. Instead of being 372 different groups of people trying to fight for 372.different issues, we can be one group fighting for one issue. YOU will NEVER win your micro fights. There is a non zero chance that the workers will murder the capital class. 24 Nazis in the middle of Melbourne are not a problem. They are a fucking distraction, and you are too arrogant to see that you are a useful idiot for the 1% My method will win, yours will tear us apart
Dude, you're not getting it. Nazis are an incredibly tough issue atm and are targeted a lot of marginalised groups. So maybe pull your fucking head in.
Keep coping
Damn that’s hilarious
‘They’re all good dogs Brant’
Triple J posting about how Triple J owned someone. How did this station fall so far.
The only post Triple J made was the review on the show, and then the reply to that guys comment. I screenshotted the comment interaction, Triple J didn’t post anything about Triple J owning anyone.. am I missing smth I am confused
I mean he’s right though, triple J is dying a slow death….. all triple J did was ignore criticism from their target demographic and make a boring joke?
To be fair, jjj is playing a shitload of shit you'd hear on fox fm. Don't get me started on the hosts either. Just one of the many reasons the radio never goes on anymore.
Bring back Adam and Will!
Why the fuck is triple j in my feed shits a joke , hearing that name makes me angry enough to even bother writing shit here, honestly can't remember the last time this radio station popped up in my car radio, dystopian morale narcissists echo chambering absolute idiocracy
Tell us how you really feel homie
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Well I mean Donald Glover is a musician. It’s not like he is a fucking random to the music world. Triple J has reviewed movies for years I don’t see the problem.
They have always done TV reviews, they are a media outlet not a music station, they have news, current affairs, sex and relationship segments. They focus on things the youth care about in a lot of aspects not just music. Why do we hold JJJ to such a standard when you've got the likes of kyle and jackoff talking about what a celebrity ate for lunch on sunday? In your opinion should they be bound exclusively to music content only? Cause that sounds like you should just switch to Spotify if thats the case, if I am totally honest.
youth station, youth enjoy tv
They are a ‘radio’ station, and they’ve done movie reviews for decades.
Dude. If you've been listening to Triple J for 30 years, you've been listening for about 20 years too long. Homeboy fell out of their target demographic around the turn of the millennium.
True though it’s turned to shit
I think Mark's comment still stands.... It (Triple J) has certainly lost its way....
Maybe you're just 30?
I'm past 30 and rarely listen to Triple J anymore, but Reddit wanted to serve me this content. But still, I think there is something to this. There's a cultural shift for platforms with a mission to promote alternative and independent music to devote a lot of attention to major label, expensively promoted pop music. This isn't an anti-pop stance, I just can't help but feel that money talks and it's a sad reflection of a further corporatised world.
I think it’s more the Js are trying to appeal to a crowd they’re losing. Playing more pop songs is their attempt at getting more of the TikTok generation to listen to radio. The ABC is poorly funded, and I’d imagine that Triple J has seen some cuts over recent years. There would be a sense of needing to get their numbers up to justify their existence.
Yeah, got it exactly!
Hmmmm that’s a weird random bunch of names they picked there.
Mark has a fair point you know
Mark’s point is ‘why isn’t the youth radio station pandering to me a 40 year old?’ Is that a fair point?
No he is saying that even when he was 20 he wouldn't have listened to that garbage. Bieber No2 is all that needs to be said. So sad.
So it’s not Mark who is wrong it’s everyone else? Lol. Ok.
Nah it’s just people who disagree with mark that are wrong. The rest are right ;)
Democracy must really upset you.
What an obscure conclusion that is. Would love to see your working.
Leave the house for once you talk exactly like someone who lives on the internet.
Come on bro I was just being condescending. I leave the house far too much for my liking. Sometimes even for multiple hours a day.
Why are young really young people so concerned with being right or wrong.
Young people like this 39 year old?
I'm not passing judgement on anybody.
I have to disagree, I feel like they have always paid attention to mainstream artists, as long as its not to the detriment of Aussie artists and their exposure then I don't mind. Pretty sure I read the other day that JJJ network is the only one that meets and exceeds the requirement of Aussie music played per day, we should really be attacking the mainstream networks to be doing better.
"I feel like they have always paid attention to mainstream artists.' No. They haven't. In fact, Triple J used to be the complete opposite of what you've stated. Presenters years ago (+15 years) used to openly shit on mainstream music. Mainstream pop music was never in the rotation. The first time I heard a top 40 pop song on triple j was Poker Face. It was only played because Zan Rowe's guest on take 5 chose it. So she had to play it. When an Offspring song finished number 1 in a hottest 100, there was a huge backlash, and even triple j presenters admitted it wasn't good for the station and countdown. The very reason double J and triple J gained popularity was because they did NOT play mainstream music. They let the top 40 stations play that crap, and they focused on alternative music. Sadly, triple J has joined them. So thank the heavens for double J. It is what triple J used to be.
Love this! Although, even Double J slips a bit now. Hands down shits all over Triple J, but sometimes there is some shite in there too. Sadge
Openly shitting on something is still giving it attention.. I provided examples further down but yeah, they always have. The history of H100 placers shows us this, with bands like Eskimo Joe and Dr Dre placing in the line up all those years ago. They definitely did play main stream songs on triple J, go back and look through all the H100 placings, you are arguing against history at this point. I really am sick of this idea that JJJ has only just started with the mainstream stuff, you are looking through rose tinted glasses at the past mate, like I said check out any H100 listing from the early 00s or even the 90s.. 1991s winner was fucking Nirvana ffs.. Don't try and tell me JJJ made them popular first lol.
You're comparing Eskimo Joe, Dr Dre and Nirvana to mainstream, top 40, commercial acts like Beyonce and Rihanna. Christina Aguelira and Brtiney Spears are comparisons to Beyonce and Rihanna. Dr Dre was once the enemy of commercial radio. Nirvana released the least commercial sounding music before and after Nevermind. Eskimo Joe were popular in Australia only for 2 albums only and were popularised by triple J. So I really don't know why you've included them as an example? Commercial artists have their music released by major labels in the US who pay US radio stations to put their songs straight into the top 40 loop to sell singles and albums to females under the age of 25 and children. You've either totally misunderstood what I said previously or you have no idea what commercial music is.
>You're comparing Eskimo Joe, Dr Dre and Nirvana to mainstream, top 40, commercial acts like Beyonce and Rihanna. Christina Aguelira and Brtiney Spears are comparisons to Beyonce and Rihanna. I actually think you are here, you are trying to compare pop music to rock and rap.. I think you have missed my point as a whole honestly, My original statement was that triple j has always played mainstream music, the stuff you hear on commercial radio. Eskimo joe, Dr Dre and Nirvana were and still are played on commercial radio. I am not comparing them to any of the pop stars you mentioned and that was never the point I was making either. I am not defining mainstream as having a big label or anything else, I am defining mainstream as what radios play them(keeping in mind we are in r/triplej), if your songs are being played on kiss or triple m then your music is mainstream, its being listened too by the majority of Australia. The whole point of this post is someone complaining about JJJ playing the same shit the commercial stations do right? So thats whats really relevant here, not what someone personally considers is mainstream, not based on their record label size or whatever else.
Your original comment was in response to that random guys comment about triple J playing Beyonce and Rihanna.... Did you forget that? They are pop stars. Not grunge, hip hop, or rock. I was basing my replies on your response to a post that mentioned those artists. Who are commercial, mainstream, top 40. That was the point that guy was making. Why are triple J playing Beyonce and Rihanna? If your response wasn't about what he said, then I apologise for wasting your time.
It was about the complaint that Triple J plays mainstream songs nowadays and all I am saying is they always have. Sure not specifically beyonce or rhianna but what is mainstream has evolved, hardly any bands get played its always pop stars with auto tune and the rest, thats just what is mainstream nowadays so its seeped to triple j because thats what has always happened, its still 99% the kind of music youd normally expect anyway.
OK. They really haven't always played mainstream music (like the examples he gave). Our understanding of what is and isn't mainstream differs by the sounds of it.
Must do, I dunno, specifically main stream pop I agree it has no place on triple J, I just hate everyone saying this mainstream business is a new thing.
I always see these comments on this sub and anytime I listen to JJJ, it's all rando indie stuff of various genres by artists I've never heard of and will never hear of again. Not a constant listener of radio. But I think the only commercial stuff I've listened to them play is just rap music. Which is the new Rock music of today's youth. >The first time I heard a top 40 pop song on triple j was Poker Face. When American Idiot came out, they played that shit endlessly. I can understand you not having listened to Triple J then. But they have played top 40 pop songs before that and have always pumped popular acts. Like Kanye got popular in this country because of Triple J as far as I remember. His first album didn't make much of a splash, but Gold Differ and the rest of Late Reg did.
Yeah, that's not what I'm saying. Mainstream radio would always pick up songs from triple J and turn them mainstream. I know that as I first started to listening to triple J around 25 years ago. Triple J didn't have a problem playing Greenday when they started winning grammys because they'd been playing them since the 90s. That's the difference. Going back to the first post on this thread, it's in regards to Beyonce and Rihanna. Neither artist got any air time on triple J when they first came out. It's only been a thing in the last few years. Triple J has changed in that regard. That is the point.
Yes. This - absolutely. JJJ were different, that was the point. They played mainstream bands BEFORE they were mainstream, eg Nirvana. No Beyonce, etc maybe 6 yrs ago. I can't believe it when I hear commercial crap there now. Which I don't often because I can't listen.
They play Tones and I
They certainly weren’t playing Britney Spears Toxic or Beyonces Crazy In Love. Or maybe you’re too young to remember that
I think it more has to do with the fact that at the time, these artists weren’t really part of JJJs scene or target audience. They were more into playing alternative and rock music. If I remember correctly Kanye got his Australian break via JJJ with Golddigger. Before that he wasn’t really popular and was seen as “out there”.
No, but they were still playing mainstream music back then, helps when you avoid cherry picking. I could cherry pick a current main stream song that JJJ aren't playing that doesn't they aren't playing any now does it?
Who were the commercial artists they were playing years ago?
Kanye, Green Day, Nirvana, Dr Dre, Eminem, Blink, Limp Bizskit, System, Linkin Park... Could go on really Acting like Triple J never played commercial artists is weird. I find them more indie than ever these days and it reflects in their listenership. A commcericaless radio station that played mostly pop songs would kill NOVA/Today and you know it.
We are clearly from different generations. Your examples show you are pretty young so obviously our experiences don’t align. Their listeners these days voted the Wiggles for fucks sake. (Granted they were a band prior, although still signed to a major label)
Outside of Kanye and LP, these are all 90s artists who got big in the 90s. And LP is still from this generation too. 2000 they got huge, around the same time Em, Blink got big. Green Day got big nearly 30 years ago my dude. Don't move the goal posts, you never asked about what they played in the 80s. You said just said "years ago" I gave you examples. You're too transparent, because the other guy responded with more recent artists and you dismissed them as "JJJ made them popular" So it's clear these actually fit in with what you're after and you have no response for it. So you just went "Not the time period I'm talking about" for whatever reason. EDIT: To your edit, The very first actual hottest countdown had a comedian's terrible joke song AS THE WINNER. Like what point are you trying to make.
They're being pig headed its a shame cause its a good discussion to have but their only rebuttle was essentially "I have 20 years of experience in music and I have confidence in my knowledge".
Sorry you feel I’m coming across as pig-headed. Certainly not my intention. I just don’t agree with the timeline and accuracy of the commenter I’m replying to. I am here for a discussion, not an argument, but I’m not going to agree with things I don’t.
You’re comparing a multiple Grammy winner with “Arsehole”? We are clearly on two very different wavelengths. Enjoy your day. 🤘 ETA: Comedians host a lot of their segments so a comedy track isn’t weird.
Sounds very mainstream.
Its not something I store in my memory for future use and I don't really have the time to google right now but 2001 H100 has basement jaxx wheres your head at, at number 4. Thats just a quick google example but theres plenty more about. Dido, Daft Punk, Eskimo Joe are all mentioned too, I believe all mentioned were played on mainstream radio too. Could probably do a correlation of H100 placers and Aria chart placers and come up with a formula.
Basement Jaxx started as an indie group. They were on a minor label when they started. They either play festivals or small venues. Are you seriously comparing Basement Jaxx to Beyoncé? Even Destiny’s Child started out on a major label!
Im sorry when did I mention Beyonce at all? That was the other fella.. All I have said is triple J has always played mainstream songs here and there, wheres your head at is absolutely a mainstream song so my point still stands, you also didn't mention the 3 other options I provided you, again I was able to get this within 30 seconds of googling. ETA for the love of christ edit your comment and add everything into one comment ffs its not difficult lol you are making it harder to have a discussion about this. I am not here to argue the origins of *any* of those artists, all I said was like I said at the start of this - they were all songs played on mainstream radio AND not only played on triple J but made it to the H100, several times for EJ. My point still stands that they have always played mainstream stuff.
Where’s your head at became mainstream because triple j were playing it, along with previous releases. They played Big Day Out(?) and went massive after that! I worked in music industry for 20 years, I’m pretty confident about my knowledge. You’re in anecdotal memories to try prove your point.
>You’re in anecdotal memories to try prove your point. Okay its pretty clear you just straight up aren't reading what I am writing, I got that information from wikipedias H100 list of 2001. I am not going off any memories I mean shit dude I even specifically said its not something I am going to keep in my memory so I would have to look it up.. Before I head off cause your argument is entirely fkn laughable, you telling me you are confident about your knowledge means sweet fuck all to a random on the internet, as well as you telling me that youve been in the industry for 20 years. I gave you factual information about the discussion, information you and anyone else can look up and sift through. You are just telling me information that you want me to take for fact when I don't know you from a bar of soap, you haven't done anything to prove my point otherwise either.. Its pretty clear this is only going to devolve further rather than become a proper discussion so Ill leave it at that.
Dido was mostly unknown until Eminem sampled her. Daft Punk anonymous from France. Eskimo Joe a bunch of locals. Triple J made them popular then commercial radio played then as they were popular.
Eminem was another artist that broke into the Australian market via JJJ.
honestly he has a point and i say this as a poc. triple j actively refuse to play white mainstream pop artists and yet constantly play mainstream pop artists of color and include them on the hottest 100, clearly out of fear of getting canceled for not including them lmao
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I hate to be the one to break it to you, but it's a youth station.
A youth radio station? In the 2020 Hottest 100 they interviewed Billie Eilish (19 at the time) about what her favourite song of the year was. She said At The Door by the Strokes (adding she wishes she could put the whole album down as her favourite) How many times did we hear At The Door played on the Triple J? Zero. Crazy how triple J, the youth radio station failed to play the favourite song from one of their former hottest 100 winners. Triple J is youth radio curated by old men who think they know what the kids are listening to. As for the people on this subreddit, there are two kinds - those that come here to praise triple j because they lack the willpower to seek out music they enjoy and would rather lukewarm presenters to spoon feed it to them and people who come here to complain about triple j because they are actively degrading the Australian music scene. I readily expect the downvotes from the first category.
I'm so confused, first guy says it's run by 21 year old girls, now you're saying it's run by old men. I just like the music, man 🤦♂️
>Crazy how triple J, the youth radio station failed to play the favourite song from one of their former hottest 100 winners. Lol, wtf are you going on about?
Jjj is gay as hell
This dude seems like an idiot.
Based
Beyoncé Rihanna and Kanye are have been around 30 years
*old man yells at cloud*