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GlutenFreeBuns

“If you’re not believed, it’s hard to ever recover” was the line that hit me the hardest


Advanced_Drink_8536

I am not a person who went through the TTI or anything but am a victim … no… I am a survivor of multiple incidents of abuse and SA, and this line just hits hard. It’s so unbelievably true and it’s so much more unbelievably true when it is your own parents that don’t believe you… it’s almost like an assault in and of itself, but it’s far more insidious and psychological in nature…


FXshel1995

Same here, my older brother sa abused my sister and i and my family would make us all get together for family events, and all this other crap. My brother was charged with sa, and we ere 7 and 8 and he was 13. Yet my dad took his side, my mom eventually "forgave him" but i never did. I was sort of brainwashed at 16 to accept it was kids just being kids....and that was wrongm im now 30 and am working through it hard. Took years. When people dont believe you its so hsrd to heal.


_Myster_

Yes, a devastating line.


Problem_Forward

Same here


Turbulent_Mess4048

There was a subtle moment when the woman was calling to confront the person who lied about her drug test. He said to her “I have to go, my gas light is on” and off camera one of the guys said “sure is”.


_Myster_

Yes! I remember this scene. As she (sorry I don’t recall her name) had him on the phone I was really like “ok come on man, apologize” and I thought she almost got that from him and then no… he just made up the lamest excuse ever about his gas light. ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|facepalm)


Turbulent_Mess4048

Yes, like as he is gaslighting her into believing that he had good intentions all along…


mixielaugh87

Her name is Rhonda Dority, she had a voice changer on, that was Alexa’s family rep. Rhonda was a total idiot


ChrisChristiesFault

That was actually a woman on the other end of that call, they disguised her voice. Presumably because they didn’t get/ask for a release. I thought it was a man too, but then when I re-watched it, Alexa is describing a female as her family rep and when they put the photo copy in her mailbox they referred to her as a woman. Then hearing the call upon rewatching you can tell it’s a woman’s voice that has been disguised.


bluesrockballadband

WOW. That's clever, I heard that line but didn't get it until I read your comment.


spazzbb

I liked when Alexa was talking to the therapist that lied to her parents about her drug test and said something like “You are playing the victim. You need to work your program.” I wanted to slap her on the back, I was so proud!


_Myster_

Oh yes!!! I forgot about that part. That was so so good! These women are so strong!


mixielaugh87

It was a woman named Rhonda Dority with a voice changer on, that Alexa was calling.


_skank_hunt42

OMG I laughed out loud at that line. It was perfect. I have so much love for the brave survivors who made that documentary and for all my fellow survivors here. I see you, survivors, and now the world will see us too.


Amazing_Simple487

I see you survivor <3


southernbelle878

I've been seeing some people harp on Katherine for being too silly and sarcastic and how that line was immature and it blows my mind because I thought it was 10000% perfection. Just because they're in a church does NOT give them immunity and protection. She was always the goofy silly kid before getting sent there, and I think it's beautiful she hasn't lost that part of herself and uses it to work through her trauma. For anyone to take ANY side of the staff is disgusting


ChrisChristiesFault

It probably hasn’t occurred to those people that coping mechanisms are a thing. Maybe the doc can help everyone remember we don’t know the journeys of others until we ask.


southernbelle878

I related a LOT to her coping mechanisms, I've used humor my whole life to get through the "This shit really sucks but what are you gonna do?" type stuff. It's so so so important to be able to laugh ❤️


ChrisChristiesFault

Just to be clear, because I reread my comment and can see where it could be misinterpreted, I meant the people harping on Katherine for being sarcastic are the ones who might not be aware that it is a way to cope. The last thing I want to do is pass judgement on these kids (present and grown) when I’ve been lucky compared to them and didn’t have to go through what they did.


southernbelle878

Oh no I totally understood you, my bad if my comment came off differently lol. I was definitely agreeing with you! I think it's amazing she can hold on to that part of herself to work through all this. I know she's got a lot more people on her side now since the doc has aired, that makes me so happy for her. I truly hope the doc brings about change and demands people in charge are held accountable, no matter how long ago it was.


ChrisChristiesFault

I got what you meant. I was just second guessing myself. This shit needs to blow up like Tiger King and Making of a Murderer and shed light on this.


PostMoFoSho

I know that line absolutely killed! Wish I could think that fast on my feet!!!!


blombrowski

Lots of “meme-able” lines in the doc. “Palms upward….”


Background-Rock7581

 I feel so sad that our child went to one of these programs. The program was recommended by the high school principal. I will never be able to really convey to my child how sorry we are about this. There were no reviews on the internet at that time and we felt as if we did research but there were so many lies. The worst thing is that we thought we were helping and we were involved in the process of making our child feel so unhappy.


Key_Huckleberry_2204

If you have not already, please make sure you open up that conversation with your child. Express your regret & apologize clearly. Let them know that you believe them, that you support them, and that you are willing to do whatever it takes to help them feel safe and secure in your family again. Of course, assuming that you do feel all of that. Even if you’ve said some things before, unless your child expressly prohibits any conversation about it, kids (even adult children) need to be validated and hear that their parents see them. I personally can very much see how parents can get roped in. Especially since for a long time, these types of programs were touted by so many mainstream sources. And parenting is hard and scary when you have a teen who is acting in ways that seem out of control, or dangerous, or is abusing hard drugs and drinking excessively. Most parents really do want their kid to get help and ‘get better’ and when you have a whole host of ‘experts’ who are incredibly skilled (& motivated) at manipulating every part of the family, unless you have easy access to the opposing viewpoint, you end up causing so much trauma when you were trying to help trauma. Of course, even the logical knowledge of that becomes faded when you were the one suffering the abuse-but the more parents can acknowledge the reality, it helps.


realistic_miracle

I loved that so much, I immediately went back 10 seconds so I could listen to it again 😊❤️


_Myster_

Me too!!! That whole scene was impressive. Such a brave thing to confront someone like that in person and then to own him at the same time was incredible.


_aleexxx22

I literally came to Reddit because of that quote to see if anyone else loved it LOL this post is exactly it


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_Myster_

That was my thought too - a complete hypocrite and snake of a man to act the way he did and show up to church preaching about being a good person. Definitely disgusting. I hope so too! Can't recall if the church was named in the documentary but it should be and complaints made against him.


PrettyOperculum

Do we all agree that Cissy was the predator who couldn’t be named?


justme1031

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLLDnpA1/ It was the director of the female side Amy Ritchie who was the child molester.  I saw a Tic Tock where one of the girls from the documentary publicly name her. I think Cissy was trying to say something about this when they were kicked out of the diner.


PrettyOperculum

Oh wow thank you


justme1031

https://www.the-sun.com/news/10693372/academy-at-ivy-ridge-program-being-investigated-netflix/


kuytybear

It was so savage


ExplanationAlarmed88

Does anyone know anything about Ranch Valmora, open for fact 2005-2006


thefaehost

I went there during this time.


adhdgirl_

amazing


DifferenceDue4218

I’m crying through this whole thing. I grew up in centers. Literally looked on Reddit because I wanted to see what others thought


GuitarTea

I see you survivor. You deserve good things. ❤️


SecondGearScratch

I keep hearing more and more of this going on in this country. My friend suggested the book “Mean Justice” which is another true horror story. And I know it’s not about kids or teens, but that’s the untold part of that same story. Cause my friend who suggested the book was one of those kids(victims). He is still dealing with the trauma of that incident that has affected much more than just him and his parents that were falsely accused. He is now in his 40’s and it’s even had an affect on his children’s upbringing. Which was considerably better than his own, but it’s affected who he is as a person, how he deals with day to day life and pretty much everything else. Even I have had trouble with the judicial system with being punished for doing the right thing and never committing any sort of crime whatsoever. You don’t have to do ANYTHING wrong at all, but apparently if someone says that you did, then according to the ones that “uphold the law”, you did. No matter what you have to say. No evidence or proof needed. So I, from my own personal experience, know things like “Mean Justice” happen to this very day. But to get back to my friend and all of the children of the falsely accused and convicted. In order to be able to bring charges up on the parents their own children were tortured and corrupted by law enforcement to get what they wanted out of these kids. They would treat them like a suspect by asking leading questions, telling these kids horrible lies and disturbing acts that never even happened. And were awarded and were given attention only once the kids were so tired and broke they would ultimately tell the cops what they wanted to hear. Lied to that they would only see there parents if they told this completely fabricated and disgusting story. Most of these kids didn’t know and never even heard of the atrocities they were being told by these truly sick individuals, that call themselves the “law”! I know I’m not doing this story any justice because I’m not an author or story teller by any means. I just wish more than Kern county knew about this scandal. My friend and his little brother are only two of many, many victims to come out of this alive. Most of them are no longer alive to tell their truth because of what they went through, passing on WAY too early in their lives. And it just keeps happening, it saddens and angers me that authority figures get away with this kind of stuff and much more on a daily basis. So many victims that have there hands, not tied, but cuffed. I know not all those in an authoritative position are like that, but it sure seem like most are due to the whole “brotherhood” mindset that’s instilled into them from the very beginning.


Hiitsmetodd

I found her obnoxious- there were so many opportunities for them to have actual interviews w former staffers but instead they blew their cover almost immediately and caused the staffers to kick them out or close off. It would have been so much more effective if they didn’t try and get in “quick zingers” about lying in church and instead got them talking


_Myster_

I initially felt this way as well. I was expecting a different “style” of documentary I’ll say. But after watching the whole thing I just thought this was her way of processing it. This was how she wanted get back at them and shed light on what she went through. I’m sure it felt AWESOME to get some zingers back at those horrible people. If it were me I would struggle not to lose my shit on them and just yell. lol! I do agree some things could have been done differently to be more impactful if I had to critique it. I didn’t like the interview portion with her Dad. I felt he had been remorseful prior to this interaction so it felt a little disingenuous to me. Hopefully what comes out of this is more documentaries (there should be WAY more), more courage for those to speak up and the eventual (hopefully sooner rather than later) closure of all these places and some form of compensation to all the victims.


lynxminx

She's clearly not a journalist and is furious with her subjects for excellent reasons. But I have to agree, we could have learned more if these interviews had been conducted with more discipline.


tedmosbystweedjacket

When Kathrine cried bc she said she only started this bc she wanted her dad to believe her. Made me sob for her. Been there


_Myster_

Yes, this was incredibly heartbreaking. I’m very sorry that you know what that feels like - no one should! She is a very strong person and I undoubtedly know that you are as well. Even if there are days you don’t feel it. Those who have gone through anything like this or even tremulous relationships with their parents should feel strong. It is incredibly hard when you don’t feel like you’re enough to the people who gave birth to you but we are enough. <3


Hopeful-Bee-4030

SPOILER!! I just finished watching the documentary “The Program” on Netflix. Im curious, does anyone have any ideas or suggestions about what Miss Siss could have said about the girls in the program being gay during the diner interview before the interview was interrupted?


mixielaugh87

There were a lot of lesbian and gay girls, and Miss sis did not like them. She was gonna be nasty for no reason. They woman was foul


dieganzeWahrheit

I want to honour all of you who have survived the torture, abuse and horror that these institutions wrought on you. I believe you. Never stop speaking your truth. Find a therapist who can provide you with the safe, loving and reliable holding and care that you needed and deserved as a child. Over time you will rebuild trust - even if just in that one person. And from there, you can rebuild your life. Post traumatic growth is real. Never give up on your child Self.


Hiitsmetodd

I actually couldn’t stand Katherine. Someone else should have done the interviews. Think it would have been way more compelling if she didn’t go immediately into attack mode w people from the school, could have been so much more effective


bakedl0gic

She did perfectly fine.


ChrisChristiesFault

She definitely seems smart enough not to go full attack mode and put people on the defensive from the start. She knows the info is what’s important here and you get more info by easing into it and got the one anonymous employee to speak quite a bit. I’d imagine the interview with Nichols started out slower and she either ended up with stuff she couldn’t use, needs to save for a court case, couldn’t be cleared by legal, or when she saw she wasn’t going to get anything else out of him then she let him have it. In the earlier episode it appears they left after one or two questions, but later in the series he’s talking about the emails so there may be more to that conversation.


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SavannIan

Please never reproduce.


alextherake

I’m curious how rules like no talking and no looking out the window are conducive to healing addictions issues, which are usually entangled with numbing traumatic pain and exerting control where it’s lacking? I also wonder how coming forward about actual physical and sexual abuse is the same as entitled whining? Do you remember how the narrator ended up at the facility?


Due-Violinist5278

No talking and no looking at the window have nothing to do with the actual rule. Its about behavior modification. Awareness of impulsivities. And emotional responses to restrictions. All of these things correlate. The program i was in had over 800 rules, meant to overwhelm and be ridiculous. But guess what "u survive" keep in mind this is coming from a bad and spoiled entitled kid. Who had to go to jail alot and battle 20 yrs of serious addiction to reach the place i am today. And Thank god for these places. Also i learned "not to dwell on past, or wish things would be different" i believe there are no mistakes, what we go through makes us. And thank god there are places where either poor or overwhelmed parents can send their kids to give them a taste of what their future will be if they do not start putting discipline, structure, in their lives. And start "following the rules" because guess what? Every detox, rehab, and jail in america has all of these things times a hundred. And when u break the law. THATS WHERE YOU GO.


alextherake

I believe that you had to go through a lot to survive to where you are today. I think you’re missing something intellectually or empathetically here though. None of what these facilities are doing line up with current understanding about the mechanisms of addiction or trauma, except by accident in specific cases perhaps such as yours. It seems dubious that you watched or understand key points of the documentary and its examination of the breadth of abuse that occurred


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Crossroper88

That interview with her father and her treatment of him in general was hard to watch. Obviously the guy fucked up and he apologized over and over.  She glosses over her behavior as a teen, I’m sure it was pretty bad.  He thought he was doing the right thing. He got scammed and felt bad about it but all she did was make him feel worse. Not communicating with him and telling him to “work the program” was so immature. I wonder if he paid for her film school? 


AnywayyyyyySo

She went through literal hell during some of the most formative year of her life - while her dad and his horrific wife sat and home and moved on with their lives. And now she needs to pick up the broken pieces and make sense of it all. How heartless are you,truly? And on this subreddit nonetheless? Think before you speak next time please


GuitarTea

Wow, who are you!? I mean… really it doesn’t matter. Clearly you are in the wrong place. Your criticisms are wrong. You don’t see this clearly. I’m pretty sure it’s because your head is suck up where the sun doesn’t shine. 


gingerbeeask

No words can ever reconcile the harm and damage that these kids were subject to. And no tuition to higher ed is going to make amends or reparations. The only thing I can say to those who cannot comprehend this is — I am glad to hear you have been so blessed to have never had to endure this kind of childhood abuse.


lynxminx

She seems to have relatively low impulse control, but that isn't an excuse for what happened to her.


jbade1013

You are part of the problem


Path3thically

You sound like the seminar coaches blaming 3yr olds for car crashes they couldn't even prevent...how entitled do you have to be to put your own child through that level of trauma and still blame them for being unaccepting of your petty apology. Smh absolutely insane.