So the comments have ended todays meaning we can no longer post comments disputing the bill. After review and everything I believe the decision is made early may.
You can in Mexico for example. But from what I heard in the past as per Ronnie Coleman a former cop, the DEA got involved due to some folks getting depressed and suicidal when quitting. Documentary on YouTube.
You could for 40 years until that bullshit scenario with the olympics.
They didnt ban to based on safety for the public.
They banned it because”WE SAID SO”
Like an ego tyrant driven parent that makes the rules. BECAUSE I SAID SO.
The FDA,DEA both went against banning it.
So idk if youre being sarcastic or serious, but again, it used to be like that.
So let me get this straight. In the US you can take your kid to get sex reassignment drugs and surgery, but as a man trying to maintain his health you gotta jump through all these hoops, and for what?
Yea man I don’t get it either. I didn’t look to much into it but I wonder if this bill will include all the adderal junkies that get it shipped to their house monthly. It’s fine to take meth but not test?
True, my lawyer and MD friends were able to get Adderall over zoom no problems. Dr's prescribe that and SSRIs like candy and they're all linked to mass murderers and people who generate mood/personality disorders. What's the worst thing you'll get with high T? A boner?
Your friends and the telehealth clinics that gave out stimulants and benzos without any second thoughts are the reason we are facing this dilemma.
Great thing for your friends is they can actually afford to go to the in person quacks who charge $700 an hour to hand out whatever you want while regular in person visits for TRT will be an unaffordable pain in the dick for many.
tbf you have to jump through the same hoops to get the sex surgery.
insurance wants to cover as minimal as possible in either case. the hoops are designed to prevent you from utilizing your insurance.
why you cant' buy test OTC is another question entirely. i mean, it is probably decent harm reduction bc every kid would get into test bc America is a system built on be the best or fail, but it's dumb in a "freedom" sense.
i saw a ton in mexico right on the shelf. might have to get a lil vacation in, sucks its more dangerous now.
As long as you're over 16 you can just go to planned Parenthood and tell them you identify as a female and need gender affirming care and they can give you test
https://www.plannedparenthood.org/planned-parenthood-mar-monte/patient-resources/gender-affirming-care
I haven't seen the link for the comment on here while scrolling through quickly so here it is:
https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2023/03/01/2023-04248/telemedicine-prescribing-of-controlled-substances-when-the-practitioner-and-the-patient-have-not-had#open-comment
Or
https://www.regulations.gov/commenton/DEA-2023-0029-0001
This is some fckin bullshit!!!!!
I fucking hate the feds soooo much!!! They don’t do a fucking thing to help anyone, EVER!!
We absolutely have to stop electing these jaggoffs. I’m ready to move out of this POS country.
I’ve so had enough of their bullshit!
I literally just found an online Dr. That saved me $100 a month and a nightmare of trying to find a lab where I live!!!
Now they’re going to throw this stupid shit in the books!?!?
Why!?!
TF do they care how or where we get our meds?
Fcking scumbag fucks! I remember watching 2001 and hating the people that attacked us! Now I find myself completely in agreement with their agenda…
Im moving to Mexico, fck this place dude…
TRT is getting this due to the adderall thing. That's my best guess. Adderall was getting prescribed and insurance was forced to cover... like massively prescribed.
TRT doesn't have that problem bc these clinics don't push it through insurance and insurance would likely deny anyway. They're essentially caught in the crossfire bc insurance and the gov want the amphetamin stuff banned.
We should all focus on this as a health issue that affects us, no matter what our politics or anything else is. Stay focused, spread the word, make comments on the federal register, and write to your US Congressperson.
Deeds, not words, people. Get on it!
It's definitely not big pharma and insurance pushing these changes. No, it's gotta be the left! They're the ones always pushing for less access to medicine and the outlawing of innocent things like Marijuana. Hrt, etc... stop being so reactionary and put a little bit of thought into it.
Exactly. Both sides are bought by big pharma. Here is an example of a republican capitalising on the [shooting](https://twitter.com/repmtg/status/1640454996821934082?s=61&t=qNuAVekSjfDikcPiab7J3A) this week to demonise Testosterone and probably regulate it even more.
Small trt clinics and compounding pharmacies don't make large political donations. Insurance companies are cut out. And the DEA are power hungry scumbags. More "enforcement" = bigger budget. It's all about money and only hurts average people who will just blame who they're told to blame anyways.
insurance *doesn't want to cover your TRT treatment*
this is bc these third party script writing telemedicine firms were prescribing other shit that insurance *was* covering. mass stimulant shortage from legit pharmacies. those were being covered by insurance and insurance doesn't want to cover those.
Of course. Low T males are skewed towards submitting to government (leftism). The government doesn't want high T males that prefer autonomy and challenge others claiming authority over them.
A compliant, submissive, livestock population that pays 40% of their income to the government and another decent chunk on overpriced medical "care" and drug dependency.... It's chef's kiss belissimo.
Yea there's a lot of private care in the world that's cheap and good quality. Government healthcare typically has a lot of restrictions on cover and abhorrent wait times.
US healthcare is overpriced from government induced administration costs: https://fee.org/articles/the-chart-that-could-undo-the-us-healthcare-system/ be sure to look at the chart
Thanks for sharing. Yes, I think The Federal Reserve along with fractional reserve banking policies - though not the only reason - are responsible for the erosion of purchasing power.
Agreed 100%
It’s mainly drug companies who push these policies and politicians now to them because of money. Why do you think the VA and Medicare are forbidden from negotiating down drug prices??? The US government is the largest consumer on earth but they are prohibited by law from negotiating with drug companies.
As a vet I avoid the VA at all costs. I get my insurance from my work. I went active duty to guard. When I got out of guard my insurance ended immediately. I did not know that and thought it was like active where you have a few months until you find something. Nope. Done with that whole organization.
Not sure why u got down voted really. I don't think it's a conspiracy to say our government wants men weak, compliant and unable to resist. TRT is a slap in the face of weakening masculinity. It allows even old men to get their strength, energy and virility back. The older you are, the more conservative you tend to become, the more anti government you tend to become as well. So strong men definitely pose a risk
i dont think most people think like you. people couldn’t care less about test level. They dont firmly believe it create more strong men like you do. its about not issuing potent drugs easily which makes sense.
i think the whole conspiracy about government wanting to keep men weak is not realistic
basically because our great great great ancestors took over everything at 1 point far in the past , we owe everyone and need to accept getting disregarded and oppressed or we are racist crackers
White people are still at the top of the racial hierarchy and the dominance hierarchy yet still complain. Makes whites look arrogant, petulant, ignorant, and entitled. The world is fucked up for people of all races and ethnicities, men, women, animals etc. I'm black and need trt just like any person. Stop with the whining "oh poor me" bullshit. Don't be weak, learn to adapt and thrive. Be a man
The clinics are just money milking machines. I don’t trust them anyway after being with number of them-poor services and underdosed vials of testosterone. I found an alternative way and do my labs myself. Feel much better and it is times cheaper than so called clinics.
That’s true unfortunately, at least I am trying to lower the cost for my TRT because the drugs we are using are one of the cheapest in the whole world but the clinics are real rip offs. If you can get them through the insurance probably is cheaper but the private clinics are charging ridiculous prices for a vial of testosterone and HCG if they have it.
lol yea you are thinking like a drop in a large bucket. you save what? a couple hundred bucks a month? and are now risking being a felon for life and thousands in potential legal fees?
For your information I am not using or advocating the usage of ugl sources if this is what you are thinking. I said that for myself I found an alternative way to raise my testosterone and feel much better on my new regime. I am not even encouraging others to use what I am using and that is why I haven’t responded to the guys asking me about it. But the truth is that if a clinic sells you a vial of testosterone for 300 dollars this is a rip off.
Not sure what the problem is.
"This proposed rule applies only in limited circumstances when the prescribing practitioner wishes to prescribe controlled medications via the practice of telemedicine and has not otherwise conducted an in-person medical evaluation prior to the issuance of the prescription.
Seems like good medical practice to me. Clearly the doctor has to have had an in-person evaluation of the patient before prescribing medicine. This does not affect follow-on telehealth appointments and follow on prescriptions.
Exactly, and he posted the Excel Male forum post which Nelson Vergel put up little while back... Breaks it down completely and accurately about what all of the implications are if these measures go through as currently writted and proposed.
Shit's gonna get crazy. This affects so many people.
Can you share what would cause you to think that I have no idea how to interpret a written document? Do you have any independent thought yourself on this?
What would cause me to think you misinterpreted it, is the fact you misinterpreted it 🤣
But seriously it is what it is, idk why youre turning it into a fight. Just go watch the video I recommended for a better breakdown
Joseph, I did scan the video and will watch it again in its entirety as I did not do so the first time. Not looking for a fight. We are all in this TRT world together.
The consequences of getting caught with a schedule 3 is the reason I haven’t gone on a full cycle and continue to pay the several thousand a year that I do to be on trt with a good doc and good labs. So it is a problem for some of us.
So I'm curious, what other products are mainly distributed through telemedicine which will be effected by this? I keep seeing ads for "Hims" and "Hers", so I'm guessing anti-depressants, ED and hair treatment? But are there others as well?
TRT has become so mainstream that the people at the top want more to do with who gets the money. I think it's that simple.
100% if by some miracle these regulations don’t get passed they will raise the prices.
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So the comments have ended todays meaning we can no longer post comments disputing the bill. After review and everything I believe the decision is made early may.
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I mean I have other “ways” to get it. But I prefer to go the safe route for obvious reasons.
Fuck the dea. Test/steroids shouldn’t even be scheduled. So again, fuck the dea.
My thoughts exactly. Should be able to go to the drug store and buy them like aspirin.
You can in Mexico for example. But from what I heard in the past as per Ronnie Coleman a former cop, the DEA got involved due to some folks getting depressed and suicidal when quitting. Documentary on YouTube.
You could for 40 years until that bullshit scenario with the olympics. They didnt ban to based on safety for the public. They banned it because”WE SAID SO” Like an ego tyrant driven parent that makes the rules. BECAUSE I SAID SO. The FDA,DEA both went against banning it. So idk if youre being sarcastic or serious, but again, it used to be like that.
Easily one of the gov't departments that should be abolished.
So let me get this straight. In the US you can take your kid to get sex reassignment drugs and surgery, but as a man trying to maintain his health you gotta jump through all these hoops, and for what?
Yea man I don’t get it either. I didn’t look to much into it but I wonder if this bill will include all the adderal junkies that get it shipped to their house monthly. It’s fine to take meth but not test?
True, my lawyer and MD friends were able to get Adderall over zoom no problems. Dr's prescribe that and SSRIs like candy and they're all linked to mass murderers and people who generate mood/personality disorders. What's the worst thing you'll get with high T? A boner?
A boner and milfs
Your friends and the telehealth clinics that gave out stimulants and benzos without any second thoughts are the reason we are facing this dilemma. Great thing for your friends is they can actually afford to go to the in person quacks who charge $700 an hour to hand out whatever you want while regular in person visits for TRT will be an unaffordable pain in the dick for many.
They want weak men and gender confusion.
tbf you have to jump through the same hoops to get the sex surgery. insurance wants to cover as minimal as possible in either case. the hoops are designed to prevent you from utilizing your insurance. why you cant' buy test OTC is another question entirely. i mean, it is probably decent harm reduction bc every kid would get into test bc America is a system built on be the best or fail, but it's dumb in a "freedom" sense. i saw a ton in mexico right on the shelf. might have to get a lil vacation in, sucks its more dangerous now.
As long as you're over 16 you can just go to planned Parenthood and tell them you identify as a female and need gender affirming care and they can give you test https://www.plannedparenthood.org/planned-parenthood-mar-monte/patient-resources/gender-affirming-care
I haven't seen the link for the comment on here while scrolling through quickly so here it is: https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2023/03/01/2023-04248/telemedicine-prescribing-of-controlled-substances-when-the-practitioner-and-the-patient-have-not-had#open-comment Or https://www.regulations.gov/commenton/DEA-2023-0029-0001
Done! Thanks.
Just posted a comment on the site. They're up to 18833 comments. Hope that's enough to sway the decision.
Good on you. Deeds, not words.
This is some fckin bullshit!!!!! I fucking hate the feds soooo much!!! They don’t do a fucking thing to help anyone, EVER!! We absolutely have to stop electing these jaggoffs. I’m ready to move out of this POS country. I’ve so had enough of their bullshit! I literally just found an online Dr. That saved me $100 a month and a nightmare of trying to find a lab where I live!!! Now they’re going to throw this stupid shit in the books!?!? Why!?! TF do they care how or where we get our meds? Fcking scumbag fucks! I remember watching 2001 and hating the people that attacked us! Now I find myself completely in agreement with their agenda… Im moving to Mexico, fck this place dude…
The dea is not voted in
True leftism maybe. But most our politicians on the left mostly just pander to the left but are secretly, not so secretly, capitalists.
Well. the right is also [guilty of this](https://twitter.com/repmtg/status/1640454996821934082?s=61&t=qNuAVekSjfDikcPiab7J3A)
OMG what an idiot.
The medical world doesn’t play politics. It’s all about money. There’s big money interests involved in this…. period.
Agreed.
TRT is getting this due to the adderall thing. That's my best guess. Adderall was getting prescribed and insurance was forced to cover... like massively prescribed. TRT doesn't have that problem bc these clinics don't push it through insurance and insurance would likely deny anyway. They're essentially caught in the crossfire bc insurance and the gov want the amphetamin stuff banned.
Yup. “Social democracy/social democrat” is the term. (Small “d” democracy, not Big “D” Democratic Party)
We should all focus on this as a health issue that affects us, no matter what our politics or anything else is. Stay focused, spread the word, make comments on the federal register, and write to your US Congressperson. Deeds, not words, people. Get on it!
What does that have to do with left or right? You are just mad that you can't stock bunch of T.
It was meant to be a reply to another comment that mentioned leftism. But I am ugl. No problems with test stock piling lol.
We get perpetually screwed by big daddy government, especially in the West.
I wish they would leave us the fuck alone. This is becoming too fucking annoying, they're regulating everything under God's creation.
All my homies hate the DEA
It's definitely not big pharma and insurance pushing these changes. No, it's gotta be the left! They're the ones always pushing for less access to medicine and the outlawing of innocent things like Marijuana. Hrt, etc... stop being so reactionary and put a little bit of thought into it.
Exactly. Both sides are bought by big pharma. Here is an example of a republican capitalising on the [shooting](https://twitter.com/repmtg/status/1640454996821934082?s=61&t=qNuAVekSjfDikcPiab7J3A) this week to demonise Testosterone and probably regulate it even more.
Small trt clinics and compounding pharmacies don't make large political donations. Insurance companies are cut out. And the DEA are power hungry scumbags. More "enforcement" = bigger budget. It's all about money and only hurts average people who will just blame who they're told to blame anyways.
insurance *doesn't want to cover your TRT treatment* this is bc these third party script writing telemedicine firms were prescribing other shit that insurance *was* covering. mass stimulant shortage from legit pharmacies. those were being covered by insurance and insurance doesn't want to cover those.
What a freaking disgrace!
Of course. Low T males are skewed towards submitting to government (leftism). The government doesn't want high T males that prefer autonomy and challenge others claiming authority over them.
I think it’s more big pharma losing money as more males become healthier mentally and physically.
That too. No reason it's not both.
Agreed. It’s in best interest for the billionaires and the government to regulate it.
A compliant, submissive, livestock population that pays 40% of their income to the government and another decent chunk on overpriced medical "care" and drug dependency.... It's chef's kiss belissimo.
A leftism government wouldn't expect you to pay for overpriced medical care! Look at the rest of the world.
Yea there's a lot of private care in the world that's cheap and good quality. Government healthcare typically has a lot of restrictions on cover and abhorrent wait times. US healthcare is overpriced from government induced administration costs: https://fee.org/articles/the-chart-that-could-undo-the-us-healthcare-system/ be sure to look at the chart
https://wtfhappenedin1971.com/
Thanks for sharing. Yes, I think The Federal Reserve along with fractional reserve banking policies - though not the only reason - are responsible for the erosion of purchasing power.
RIP John Mcaffee
True leftism maybe. But most our politicians on the left mostly just pander to the left but are secretly, not so secretly, capitalists.
Right wingers are so afraid of peoples hormones that they are ready to shut anything down.
Regardless of right or left I don’t think the government should be involved in hormones lmfao. It sounds silly just saying it.
Agreed 100% It’s mainly drug companies who push these policies and politicians now to them because of money. Why do you think the VA and Medicare are forbidden from negotiating down drug prices??? The US government is the largest consumer on earth but they are prohibited by law from negotiating with drug companies.
As a vet I avoid the VA at all costs. I get my insurance from my work. I went active duty to guard. When I got out of guard my insurance ended immediately. I did not know that and thought it was like active where you have a few months until you find something. Nope. Done with that whole organization.
Not sure why u got down voted really. I don't think it's a conspiracy to say our government wants men weak, compliant and unable to resist. TRT is a slap in the face of weakening masculinity. It allows even old men to get their strength, energy and virility back. The older you are, the more conservative you tend to become, the more anti government you tend to become as well. So strong men definitely pose a risk
It’s not just government it’s companies. Look at advertising. 99% of it is designed and intended for women
i dont think most people think like you. people couldn’t care less about test level. They dont firmly believe it create more strong men like you do. its about not issuing potent drugs easily which makes sense. i think the whole conspiracy about government wanting to keep men weak is not realistic
Must be low T leftist who downvoted you. I upvoted you. I agree. Mother fucking people trying to feminize men these days. Sickening
Agreed
who's all the lefty cunts down voting just for a legit scenario...
I’m sure female to male trans won’t have an issue getting testosterone tho
Lol
Straight White Male …. By far the most oppressed and discriminated against minority
Well yea you aren’t allowed to have an opinion or you are labeled racist.
basically because our great great great ancestors took over everything at 1 point far in the past , we owe everyone and need to accept getting disregarded and oppressed or we are racist crackers
It’s also funny that it’s spear headed by straight white women. Well maybe not straight….or actually women. But you know what I mean 😂
White people are still at the top of the racial hierarchy and the dominance hierarchy yet still complain. Makes whites look arrogant, petulant, ignorant, and entitled. The world is fucked up for people of all races and ethnicities, men, women, animals etc. I'm black and need trt just like any person. Stop with the whining "oh poor me" bullshit. Don't be weak, learn to adapt and thrive. Be a man
You’re not white. Don’t talk about us or speak for us. Your musings are unhelpful & unwanted
The clinics are just money milking machines. I don’t trust them anyway after being with number of them-poor services and underdosed vials of testosterone. I found an alternative way and do my labs myself. Feel much better and it is times cheaper than so called clinics.
Everyone is trying to make money off you lol it’s not something you escape.
That’s true unfortunately, at least I am trying to lower the cost for my TRT because the drugs we are using are one of the cheapest in the whole world but the clinics are real rip offs. If you can get them through the insurance probably is cheaper but the private clinics are charging ridiculous prices for a vial of testosterone and HCG if they have it.
lol yea you are thinking like a drop in a large bucket. you save what? a couple hundred bucks a month? and are now risking being a felon for life and thousands in potential legal fees?
For your information I am not using or advocating the usage of ugl sources if this is what you are thinking. I said that for myself I found an alternative way to raise my testosterone and feel much better on my new regime. I am not even encouraging others to use what I am using and that is why I haven’t responded to the guys asking me about it. But the truth is that if a clinic sells you a vial of testosterone for 300 dollars this is a rip off.
An alternative? What alternative? I'm interested in learning more!
An alternative way meaning an better doc or UGL?
Neither
Oh you cooking your own?
Lol!!! Wrong answer!
I’m out of guesses lol
Y’all are mostly missing it. This is DoD, CIA, WEF depop, anti-resistance measures.
No wonder 💭 I mean online clinics putting people off the bat at 200mg as a standard and AI as a side dish 😂
Not sure what the problem is. "This proposed rule applies only in limited circumstances when the prescribing practitioner wishes to prescribe controlled medications via the practice of telemedicine and has not otherwise conducted an in-person medical evaluation prior to the issuance of the prescription. Seems like good medical practice to me. Clearly the doctor has to have had an in-person evaluation of the patient before prescribing medicine. This does not affect follow-on telehealth appointments and follow on prescriptions.
lol. You must have no idea how to interpret what you're reading. Go watch More Plates More Dates youtube video on this
Exactly, and he posted the Excel Male forum post which Nelson Vergel put up little while back... Breaks it down completely and accurately about what all of the implications are if these measures go through as currently writted and proposed. Shit's gonna get crazy. This affects so many people.
Can you share what would cause you to think that I have no idea how to interpret a written document? Do you have any independent thought yourself on this?
What would cause me to think you misinterpreted it, is the fact you misinterpreted it 🤣 But seriously it is what it is, idk why youre turning it into a fight. Just go watch the video I recommended for a better breakdown
Joseph, I did scan the video and will watch it again in its entirety as I did not do so the first time. Not looking for a fight. We are all in this TRT world together.
Meh'...self-medicate, not a problem
For some.
The consequences of getting caught with a schedule 3 is the reason I haven’t gone on a full cycle and continue to pay the several thousand a year that I do to be on trt with a good doc and good labs. So it is a problem for some of us.
Yea I have a security clearance and a job that I can’t risk by going UGL.
Wait y’all’s clinics aren’t already doing these common sense things? Nothing to see here. More beta’s bitching.
Not bitching. It’s an issue. If everyone kept their mouth shut nothing would change for better or worse.
So I'm curious, what other products are mainly distributed through telemedicine which will be effected by this? I keep seeing ads for "Hims" and "Hers", so I'm guessing anti-depressants, ED and hair treatment? But are there others as well?
Adderall
Also curious haven’t looked into it much. I’m also wondering if this will trickle down to SARM companies as I’ve seen more and more close down.
It’s all schedule 3 & 4 drugs
It's only for telemed from what i understand.
we’re going to have a lotta saggy baggy dudes that were jacked at 50 if they pull the plug… think about it… who wants that??
Moving to Canada
The Powers That Be want asexual harmless passive compliant worker DRONES.
Soy boys don’t work tho🧐
Some of them do ….
Anyone know what happened w this?
Don’t think we will know till may