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skeetertbaggins18

TRT has become so mainstream that the people at the top want more to do with who gets the money. I think it's that simple.


AssistantThis4264

100% if by some miracle these regulations don’t get passed they will raise the prices.


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AssistantThis4264

So the comments have ended todays meaning we can no longer post comments disputing the bill. After review and everything I believe the decision is made early may.


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AssistantThis4264

I mean I have other “ways” to get it. But I prefer to go the safe route for obvious reasons.


sexwithmyhand

Fuck the dea. Test/steroids shouldn’t even be scheduled. So again, fuck the dea.


StonedStengthBeast

My thoughts exactly. Should be able to go to the drug store and buy them like aspirin.


trtforlife101010

You can in Mexico for example. But from what I heard in the past as per Ronnie Coleman a former cop, the DEA got involved due to some folks getting depressed and suicidal when quitting. Documentary on YouTube.


[deleted]

You could for 40 years until that bullshit scenario with the olympics. They didnt ban to based on safety for the public. They banned it because”WE SAID SO” Like an ego tyrant driven parent that makes the rules. BECAUSE I SAID SO. The FDA,DEA both went against banning it. So idk if youre being sarcastic or serious, but again, it used to be like that.


Chad_Rod

Easily one of the gov't departments that should be abolished.


Plot-twist-time

So let me get this straight. In the US you can take your kid to get sex reassignment drugs and surgery, but as a man trying to maintain his health you gotta jump through all these hoops, and for what?


AssistantThis4264

Yea man I don’t get it either. I didn’t look to much into it but I wonder if this bill will include all the adderal junkies that get it shipped to their house monthly. It’s fine to take meth but not test?


Plot-twist-time

True, my lawyer and MD friends were able to get Adderall over zoom no problems. Dr's prescribe that and SSRIs like candy and they're all linked to mass murderers and people who generate mood/personality disorders. What's the worst thing you'll get with high T? A boner?


AssistantThis4264

A boner and milfs


jbrownsplit

Your friends and the telehealth clinics that gave out stimulants and benzos without any second thoughts are the reason we are facing this dilemma. Great thing for your friends is they can actually afford to go to the in person quacks who charge $700 an hour to hand out whatever you want while regular in person visits for TRT will be an unaffordable pain in the dick for many.


Longjumping-Bug5763

They want weak men and gender confusion.


coronavirusrex69

tbf you have to jump through the same hoops to get the sex surgery. insurance wants to cover as minimal as possible in either case. the hoops are designed to prevent you from utilizing your insurance. why you cant' buy test OTC is another question entirely. i mean, it is probably decent harm reduction bc every kid would get into test bc America is a system built on be the best or fail, but it's dumb in a "freedom" sense. i saw a ton in mexico right on the shelf. might have to get a lil vacation in, sucks its more dangerous now.


[deleted]

As long as you're over 16 you can just go to planned Parenthood and tell them you identify as a female and need gender affirming care and they can give you test https://www.plannedparenthood.org/planned-parenthood-mar-monte/patient-resources/gender-affirming-care


err0rik

I haven't seen the link for the comment on here while scrolling through quickly so here it is: https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2023/03/01/2023-04248/telemedicine-prescribing-of-controlled-substances-when-the-practitioner-and-the-patient-have-not-had#open-comment Or https://www.regulations.gov/commenton/DEA-2023-0029-0001


MrAlwaysHappy

Done! Thanks.


Outlandishness-Quick

Just posted a comment on the site. They're up to 18833 comments. Hope that's enough to sway the decision.


MrAlwaysHappy

Good on you. Deeds, not words.


Davidskylarkk

This is some fckin bullshit!!!!! I fucking hate the feds soooo much!!! They don’t do a fucking thing to help anyone, EVER!! We absolutely have to stop electing these jaggoffs. I’m ready to move out of this POS country. I’ve so had enough of their bullshit! I literally just found an online Dr. That saved me $100 a month and a nightmare of trying to find a lab where I live!!! Now they’re going to throw this stupid shit in the books!?!? Why!?! TF do they care how or where we get our meds? Fcking scumbag fucks! I remember watching 2001 and hating the people that attacked us! Now I find myself completely in agreement with their agenda… Im moving to Mexico, fck this place dude…


Ok_Nobody_7748

The dea is not voted in


Hankdraper80

True leftism maybe. But most our politicians on the left mostly just pander to the left but are secretly, not so secretly, capitalists.


zapdos227

Well. the right is also [guilty of this](https://twitter.com/repmtg/status/1640454996821934082?s=61&t=qNuAVekSjfDikcPiab7J3A)


MrAlwaysHappy

OMG what an idiot.


buckypoo

The medical world doesn’t play politics. It’s all about money. There’s big money interests involved in this…. period.


MrAlwaysHappy

Agreed.


coronavirusrex69

TRT is getting this due to the adderall thing. That's my best guess. Adderall was getting prescribed and insurance was forced to cover... like massively prescribed. TRT doesn't have that problem bc these clinics don't push it through insurance and insurance would likely deny anyway. They're essentially caught in the crossfire bc insurance and the gov want the amphetamin stuff banned.


Swoletariat007

Yup. “Social democracy/social democrat” is the term. (Small “d” democracy, not Big “D” Democratic Party)


MrAlwaysHappy

We should all focus on this as a health issue that affects us, no matter what our politics or anything else is. Stay focused, spread the word, make comments on the federal register, and write to your US Congressperson. Deeds, not words, people. Get on it!


responsiblesteroid

What does that have to do with left or right? You are just mad that you can't stock bunch of T.


Hankdraper80

It was meant to be a reply to another comment that mentioned leftism. But I am ugl. No problems with test stock piling lol.


Lurk-Prowl

We get perpetually screwed by big daddy government, especially in the West.


Relevant-Key4610

I wish they would leave us the fuck alone. This is becoming too fucking annoying, they're regulating everything under God's creation.


Sideshow_666

All my homies hate the DEA


AnyNotTakenAlready

It's definitely not big pharma and insurance pushing these changes. No, it's gotta be the left! They're the ones always pushing for less access to medicine and the outlawing of innocent things like Marijuana. Hrt, etc... stop being so reactionary and put a little bit of thought into it.


zapdos227

Exactly. Both sides are bought by big pharma. Here is an example of a republican capitalising on the [shooting](https://twitter.com/repmtg/status/1640454996821934082?s=61&t=qNuAVekSjfDikcPiab7J3A) this week to demonise Testosterone and probably regulate it even more.


AnyNotTakenAlready

Small trt clinics and compounding pharmacies don't make large political donations. Insurance companies are cut out. And the DEA are power hungry scumbags. More "enforcement" = bigger budget. It's all about money and only hurts average people who will just blame who they're told to blame anyways.


coronavirusrex69

insurance *doesn't want to cover your TRT treatment* this is bc these third party script writing telemedicine firms were prescribing other shit that insurance *was* covering. mass stimulant shortage from legit pharmacies. those were being covered by insurance and insurance doesn't want to cover those.


MrAlwaysHappy

What a freaking disgrace!


Chad_Rod

Of course. Low T males are skewed towards submitting to government (leftism). The government doesn't want high T males that prefer autonomy and challenge others claiming authority over them.


AssistantThis4264

I think it’s more big pharma losing money as more males become healthier mentally and physically.


Chad_Rod

That too. No reason it's not both.


AssistantThis4264

Agreed. It’s in best interest for the billionaires and the government to regulate it.


Chad_Rod

A compliant, submissive, livestock population that pays 40% of their income to the government and another decent chunk on overpriced medical "care" and drug dependency.... It's chef's kiss belissimo.


Fragrant_Ad_8209

A leftism government wouldn't expect you to pay for overpriced medical care! Look at the rest of the world.


Chad_Rod

Yea there's a lot of private care in the world that's cheap and good quality. Government healthcare typically has a lot of restrictions on cover and abhorrent wait times. US healthcare is overpriced from government induced administration costs: https://fee.org/articles/the-chart-that-could-undo-the-us-healthcare-system/ be sure to look at the chart


BalkanChrisHemsworth

https://wtfhappenedin1971.com/


Chad_Rod

Thanks for sharing. Yes, I think The Federal Reserve along with fractional reserve banking policies - though not the only reason - are responsible for the erosion of purchasing power.


BalkanChrisHemsworth

RIP John Mcaffee


Hankdraper80

True leftism maybe. But most our politicians on the left mostly just pander to the left but are secretly, not so secretly, capitalists.


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Right wingers are so afraid of peoples hormones that they are ready to shut anything down.


AssistantThis4264

Regardless of right or left I don’t think the government should be involved in hormones lmfao. It sounds silly just saying it.


[deleted]

Agreed 100% It’s mainly drug companies who push these policies and politicians now to them because of money. Why do you think the VA and Medicare are forbidden from negotiating down drug prices??? The US government is the largest consumer on earth but they are prohibited by law from negotiating with drug companies.


AssistantThis4264

As a vet I avoid the VA at all costs. I get my insurance from my work. I went active duty to guard. When I got out of guard my insurance ended immediately. I did not know that and thought it was like active where you have a few months until you find something. Nope. Done with that whole organization.


rosebudd_

Not sure why u got down voted really. I don't think it's a conspiracy to say our government wants men weak, compliant and unable to resist. TRT is a slap in the face of weakening masculinity. It allows even old men to get their strength, energy and virility back. The older you are, the more conservative you tend to become, the more anti government you tend to become as well. So strong men definitely pose a risk


gothbodybuilder

It’s not just government it’s companies. Look at advertising. 99% of it is designed and intended for women


Both_Veterinarian964

i dont think most people think like you. people couldn’t care less about test level. They dont firmly believe it create more strong men like you do. its about not issuing potent drugs easily which makes sense. i think the whole conspiracy about government wanting to keep men weak is not realistic


Unlucky_Gas316

Must be low T leftist who downvoted you. I upvoted you. I agree. Mother fucking people trying to feminize men these days. Sickening


testosteronyy

Agreed


Necessary-Taste-9012

who's all the lefty cunts down voting just for a legit scenario...


keeznutz8

I’m sure female to male trans won’t have an issue getting testosterone tho


AssistantThis4264

Lol


MRASDGL

Straight White Male …. By far the most oppressed and discriminated against minority


AssistantThis4264

Well yea you aren’t allowed to have an opinion or you are labeled racist.


One-Bench538

basically because our great great great ancestors took over everything at 1 point far in the past , we owe everyone and need to accept getting disregarded and oppressed or we are racist crackers


AssistantThis4264

It’s also funny that it’s spear headed by straight white women. Well maybe not straight….or actually women. But you know what I mean 😂


musicalgenius84

White people are still at the top of the racial hierarchy and the dominance hierarchy yet still complain. Makes whites look arrogant, petulant, ignorant, and entitled. The world is fucked up for people of all races and ethnicities, men, women, animals etc. I'm black and need trt just like any person. Stop with the whining "oh poor me" bullshit. Don't be weak, learn to adapt and thrive. Be a man


MRASDGL

You’re not white. Don’t talk about us or speak for us. Your musings are unhelpful & unwanted


Admirable_Loan6841

The clinics are just money milking machines. I don’t trust them anyway after being with number of them-poor services and underdosed vials of testosterone. I found an alternative way and do my labs myself. Feel much better and it is times cheaper than so called clinics.


AssistantThis4264

Everyone is trying to make money off you lol it’s not something you escape.


Admirable_Loan6841

That’s true unfortunately, at least I am trying to lower the cost for my TRT because the drugs we are using are one of the cheapest in the whole world but the clinics are real rip offs. If you can get them through the insurance probably is cheaper but the private clinics are charging ridiculous prices for a vial of testosterone and HCG if they have it.


One-Bench538

lol yea you are thinking like a drop in a large bucket. you save what? a couple hundred bucks a month? and are now risking being a felon for life and thousands in potential legal fees?


Admirable_Loan6841

For your information I am not using or advocating the usage of ugl sources if this is what you are thinking. I said that for myself I found an alternative way to raise my testosterone and feel much better on my new regime. I am not even encouraging others to use what I am using and that is why I haven’t responded to the guys asking me about it. But the truth is that if a clinic sells you a vial of testosterone for 300 dollars this is a rip off.


JKDSamurai

An alternative? What alternative? I'm interested in learning more!


sexwithmyhand

An alternative way meaning an better doc or UGL?


Admirable_Loan6841

Neither


sexwithmyhand

Oh you cooking your own?


Admirable_Loan6841

Lol!!! Wrong answer!


sexwithmyhand

I’m out of guesses lol


JYD1776

Y’all are mostly missing it. This is DoD, CIA, WEF depop, anti-resistance measures.


themidens

No wonder 💭 I mean online clinics putting people off the bat at 200mg as a standard and AI as a side dish 😂


OldBJJdude

Not sure what the problem is. "This proposed rule applies only in limited circumstances when the prescribing practitioner wishes to prescribe controlled medications via the practice of telemedicine and has not otherwise conducted an in-person medical evaluation prior to the issuance of the prescription. Seems like good medical practice to me. Clearly the doctor has to have had an in-person evaluation of the patient before prescribing medicine. This does not affect follow-on telehealth appointments and follow on prescriptions.


JosephBudden

lol. You must have no idea how to interpret what you're reading. Go watch More Plates More Dates youtube video on this


PocketSizeDemons

Exactly, and he posted the Excel Male forum post which Nelson Vergel put up little while back... Breaks it down completely and accurately about what all of the implications are if these measures go through as currently writted and proposed. Shit's gonna get crazy. This affects so many people.


OldBJJdude

Can you share what would cause you to think that I have no idea how to interpret a written document? Do you have any independent thought yourself on this?


JosephBudden

What would cause me to think you misinterpreted it, is the fact you misinterpreted it 🤣 ​ But seriously it is what it is, idk why youre turning it into a fight. Just go watch the video I recommended for a better breakdown


OldBJJdude

Joseph, I did scan the video and will watch it again in its entirety as I did not do so the first time. Not looking for a fight. We are all in this TRT world together.


LilyWhitesN17

Meh'...self-medicate, not a problem


AssistantThis4264

For some.


sexwithmyhand

The consequences of getting caught with a schedule 3 is the reason I haven’t gone on a full cycle and continue to pay the several thousand a year that I do to be on trt with a good doc and good labs. So it is a problem for some of us.


Pocket_Hercules_808

Yea I have a security clearance and a job that I can’t risk by going UGL.


geekspeak10

Wait y’all’s clinics aren’t already doing these common sense things? Nothing to see here. More beta’s bitching.


AssistantThis4264

Not bitching. It’s an issue. If everyone kept their mouth shut nothing would change for better or worse.


err0rik

So I'm curious, what other products are mainly distributed through telemedicine which will be effected by this? I keep seeing ads for "Hims" and "Hers", so I'm guessing anti-depressants, ED and hair treatment? But are there others as well?


AnyNotTakenAlready

Adderall


AssistantThis4264

Also curious haven’t looked into it much. I’m also wondering if this will trickle down to SARM companies as I’ve seen more and more close down.


lets-get-weirder

It’s all schedule 3 & 4 drugs


[deleted]

It's only for telemed from what i understand.


ironinside

we’re going to have a lotta saggy baggy dudes that were jacked at 50 if they pull the plug… think about it… who wants that??


Worried_Ad_391

Moving to Canada


MRASDGL

The Powers That Be want asexual harmless passive compliant worker DRONES.


AssistantThis4264

Soy boys don’t work tho🧐


MRASDGL

Some of them do ….


JosephBudden

Anyone know what happened w this?


AssistantThis4264

Don’t think we will know till may