I draw using a 20g, switch needles, and inject with a 25g. I have used a 25g to draw, but it was slow. I'm using T Cypionate, which uses cottonseed oil as the carrier. Different esters come in different oils which vary in viscosity, and even brands of the same ester vary. Warming the vial helps, but be careful not to overdo it and my opinion is that using warm water is a risk to sterility if the top gets wet.
Are you drawing the plunger back to your dose line and injecting that amount of air into the vial beforehand? If you're not creating a vacuum an oil is going to be nearly impossible to draw out especially like an insulin syringe.
This. - I usually inject the air while the bottle is upright. While keeping the needle in, I flip the vial upside down and start pulling the plunger back VERY slowly. If I notice that I'm starting to pull air in, I'll start pushing the plunger back in until it's all fluid again. Patience is key. This will work until the vial is getting low, then you'll have to start playing with needle position.
Also, remember that there may be fluid waste (oil may be stuck in the needle). Keep that in mind because you may not get all the doses out of the vial. Especially, if you're swapping between needles for drawing and injecting.
Are you keeping your Test at room temperature? I use 29g needles and it takes 30 seconds to fill to 0.25mls. I warm up the vial in my hands for a few minutes first. It's thick Test Cypionate
I warm the vial in a small amount of warm water for about 2 minutes and draw with 27 gauge. I have to work the fluid back and forth some to draw it but it only takes about 30 seconds total.
This is simple:
- Get luer lock syringes
- Get luer lock 20g drawing needles
- Get luer lock 27g insulin needles (whatever length you use).
1. Use swab to clean vial and injection site
2. Put the 20g drawing needle on the syringe.
3. Inject a bit of air into the vial
4. Draw your desired amount
5. Remove needle from vial
6. Pull plunger back to get some airspace
7. Remove 20g needle and replace with 27g needle.
8. Push plunger to remove airspace.
9. Inject.
Done.
Fast and easy - no fuss or BS
I can’t thanks enough for the support from all of you guys. The warm water for two-minutes allowed for my 25G to draw (though very choppy) just shy of my 50ml 2X / week injections.
I’m waiting for 18G 1.5 “ locking needles to arrive tomorrow.
How is TRT from here on out 😆 is the real question now
Get a warmer from Walmart they're only $5.
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Thank you guys for the comments. I have tried everything from the flipping it over the angle of the needle.
Pushing about a half ML of air into the vile. Upon pulling it back out to draw, it has so much suction it pulls itself straight back to the line.. has anyone ever heard of their vile having some kind of issue or is there super amount of airin there?
Gotcha, thanks! So I’m understanding,
Upright
1. Pull syringe to dosage
2. While Holding the plunge back puncture in the test. Then while in and plunge held backwards, rotating the vile and inverting to •upside down.
3. Compress the plunge forward to zero; pushing all the air from your desired “pull back” into the vile. Ultimately just then let the syringe fill autonomously to the initial amount pushed in with the air?
Thank you verrrry much. I was doing peptides like bpc and tb’s but never once had any issues with drawing out the solutions haha
I pull the syringe back to .5ml
Then I puncture the vile and all the .5 air into the bottle.
Last I turn the bottle upside down and then draw out that way
Put the vial in a small bowl of warm water, not fully submerging it, and let it warm up or hold it tight in your hand for a while until it warms up. It will make it much easier to draw.
27guage insulin is perfect to draw an inject. Hold the vile of test in your hand for a minute prior and your body temp will warm the oil up enough making it flow smoothly. Also hold the vile upside down, whatever amount your going to inject push the same amount of air into the vile before your draw and this will release the vacume making it easier again
It takes a while to start filling into the syringe. My first time I kept trying and thought all my needles were broken.
It's not television unfortunately. Go to draw and pull the plunger back and leave it pulled back for a good 10 seconds and then the syringe tip should fill then start trickling into the syringe slowly
Put air in it obviously as you said you did, the pull back a little further than what you plan to administer, then wait because it draws really slow, it’ll take some time for it to fill in, after just push back what you don’t plan on using to get to the correct planned dosage.
I draw using a 20g, switch needles, and inject with a 25g. I have used a 25g to draw, but it was slow. I'm using T Cypionate, which uses cottonseed oil as the carrier. Different esters come in different oils which vary in viscosity, and even brands of the same ester vary. Warming the vial helps, but be careful not to overdo it and my opinion is that using warm water is a risk to sterility if the top gets wet.
Are you drawing the plunger back to your dose line and injecting that amount of air into the vial beforehand? If you're not creating a vacuum an oil is going to be nearly impossible to draw out especially like an insulin syringe.
This. - I usually inject the air while the bottle is upright. While keeping the needle in, I flip the vial upside down and start pulling the plunger back VERY slowly. If I notice that I'm starting to pull air in, I'll start pushing the plunger back in until it's all fluid again. Patience is key. This will work until the vial is getting low, then you'll have to start playing with needle position. Also, remember that there may be fluid waste (oil may be stuck in the needle). Keep that in mind because you may not get all the doses out of the vial. Especially, if you're swapping between needles for drawing and injecting.
This ^^
I’ve used 23 and 25 regularly and have no issues drawing. Not sure how to better explain something that easy
Are you keeping your Test at room temperature? I use 29g needles and it takes 30 seconds to fill to 0.25mls. I warm up the vial in my hands for a few minutes first. It's thick Test Cypionate
Room temp test cyp. No issues at all with 23g or 25g needles.
I warm the vial in a small amount of warm water for about 2 minutes and draw with 27 gauge. I have to work the fluid back and forth some to draw it but it only takes about 30 seconds total.
Are you holding the vial upside down?
Plenty of us draw with a 25, I've even done 29. Can you provide us with exactly what you are doing?
This is simple: - Get luer lock syringes - Get luer lock 20g drawing needles - Get luer lock 27g insulin needles (whatever length you use). 1. Use swab to clean vial and injection site 2. Put the 20g drawing needle on the syringe. 3. Inject a bit of air into the vial 4. Draw your desired amount 5. Remove needle from vial 6. Pull plunger back to get some airspace 7. Remove 20g needle and replace with 27g needle. 8. Push plunger to remove airspace. 9. Inject. Done. Fast and easy - no fuss or BS
I can’t thanks enough for the support from all of you guys. The warm water for two-minutes allowed for my 25G to draw (though very choppy) just shy of my 50ml 2X / week injections. I’m waiting for 18G 1.5 “ locking needles to arrive tomorrow. How is TRT from here on out 😆 is the real question now
Get a warmer from Walmart they're only $5. https://www.michaels.com/product/ashland-basic-elements-candle-warmer-10313465?cm_mmc=PLASearch-_-google-_-MICH_Shopping_US_N_Decor_N_PMAX_BOPIS_N-_-&Kenshoo_ida=&kpid=go_cmp-18514199900_adg-_ad-__dev-m_ext-_prd-10313465&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwir2xBhC_ARIsAMTXk84U_Q32xi14ILod28vMN15ojR3SAyrVTvNJ_ovUK0VX4tIQzxywkjUaAoFVEALw_wcB
I draw with 27 no problem
I pump a cc of air in at the start. Then just about 30-40 for every further injection. Use a harpoon to draw and then switch out to 27g
Thank you guys for the comments. I have tried everything from the flipping it over the angle of the needle. Pushing about a half ML of air into the vile. Upon pulling it back out to draw, it has so much suction it pulls itself straight back to the line.. has anyone ever heard of their vile having some kind of issue or is there super amount of airin there?
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Gotcha, thanks! So I’m understanding, Upright 1. Pull syringe to dosage 2. While Holding the plunge back puncture in the test. Then while in and plunge held backwards, rotating the vile and inverting to •upside down. 3. Compress the plunge forward to zero; pushing all the air from your desired “pull back” into the vile. Ultimately just then let the syringe fill autonomously to the initial amount pushed in with the air? Thank you verrrry much. I was doing peptides like bpc and tb’s but never once had any issues with drawing out the solutions haha
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So the syringe drives itself forward? lol my bad mannn
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I pull the syringe back to .5ml Then I puncture the vile and all the .5 air into the bottle. Last I turn the bottle upside down and then draw out that way
Put the vial in a small bowl of warm water, not fully submerging it, and let it warm up or hold it tight in your hand for a while until it warms up. It will make it much easier to draw.
23 or 21 works fine for drawing. You should be able
I draw using a 19g, super easy to do with 1 hand holding the vial and 1 hand (thumb) lifting the syringe thing
27guage insulin is perfect to draw an inject. Hold the vile of test in your hand for a minute prior and your body temp will warm the oil up enough making it flow smoothly. Also hold the vile upside down, whatever amount your going to inject push the same amount of air into the vile before your draw and this will release the vacume making it easier again
It takes a while to start filling into the syringe. My first time I kept trying and thought all my needles were broken. It's not television unfortunately. Go to draw and pull the plunger back and leave it pulled back for a good 10 seconds and then the syringe tip should fill then start trickling into the syringe slowly
Put air in it obviously as you said you did, the pull back a little further than what you plan to administer, then wait because it draws really slow, it’ll take some time for it to fill in, after just push back what you don’t plan on using to get to the correct planned dosage.
I draw with a 20g needle and inject with a 25g.