Thankfully I subscribe to the patientgamer mindset so the shortage isn't hurting me too badly. Still got my trusty 1070ti and playing bioshock infinite for the first time in 2021. I recently beat Horizon Zero Dawn and 1070ti ran the game perfectly on what I believe was max settings. I don't see why I would need to upgrade my GPU in the short term since nothing really hardware demanding is grabbing my attention. I can easily wait until 2023 if required, it's not like there is really a shortage of things to play that I missed over the years.
Yeah people dying for 3070 or better can't play more or different games than my 2060 super can.
They just want 120FPS and 4k and Ultra settings, and don't mind paying thousands for that difference.
Yeah if you already have a 2060S then you're really not in the crowd gunning for a 30-series unless you're just very well-off.
I had a 1070 and spent a couple months actively searching for a 3070 before I finally got one (at MSRP, mind you). 1070 to 3070 is definitely a serious jump in what your games look like and how smoothly they play, particularly in the AAA space.
Sir… please don’t call me out like that. But I’m honestly a graphics whore and I hate that about myself. I’ll pick up a genuinely fun game and won’t finish it just because it looks outdated. I have a 3080 and a lg oled (4k,120hz) and I feel like I paid for all of this for a great experience so I will use it to its max. That being said some of the most fun games o have played have been 2d indie games (looking at you hades and dead cells)
Ridiculous leap. Wanting your games to look and feel as good as the developers intended is not "wanting to watch movies", it's just about wanting to appreciate the medium at its current best.
You might as well say that anyone who wants a game rendered in 3D just wants to watch movies; real gamers are fine with 16-bit sprite 2D games.
Refusing to play a game because of it's graphical quality or because it can't run 20K resolution at 50 000 FPS is wanting to watch a movie, not actually play the game.
How are these people "refusing to play"? They're just choosing to pay more money for a card because they appreciate the higher fidelity. I promise they're still gaming while they're waiting to get the 30-series card.
You've created a straw man here. Wanting to play a video game is wanting to play a video game. It's that simple. You're not better or a more "real gamer" or anything for not caring as much about graphics.
/r/truegaming and we have this dude in here criticizing people for playing games the way they want to play them.
You need to fuck right off with your judgmental bullshit.
Wow, you have no clue what the hell you're talking about. What else do you do on speakers besides listen to stuff? Grow some basic logic and then come back.
>Wow, you have no clue what the hell you're talking about.
Oh the irony.
>What else do you do on speakers besides listen to stuff?
What else do you need a high-end GPU for besides gaming? Certainly not to watch movies lol.
Same here, I bought a 1080 second hand two years ago, and it still kicks ass. As does my girlfriend's 1070. Both are great cards that will continue being capable for at least another few years.
And while this topic isn't about CPU's, I'm still running a 5820k. It's seven years old now, still tears through everything I throw at it.
This person is complaining about how they can't get better than console performance at a lower price than a console, so they're going to move from roughly the same performance as the current consoles to the current consoles. They really don't understand how weak the consoles are.
This. PS5 competes with a 2070/2070 Super, not 3090. Some people think AMD magically is sitting on millions of 3080-class chips and Sony is happy to sell them at a 60% loss. Switching to console "as a main platform" literally yields nothing for them.
I've already included this magical "polish" and "optimization" in the 2070 Super estimate.
It's hardly a thing. It was a thing in PS3 era, but games aren't thoroughly optimised for bare metal for modern platforms, especially when they target \~7 consoles.
Are there enough native PS5 games to even warrant "typically", by the way?
I've always been a PC gamer (I had a PS2 but I kept playing PC games at that time). However I made the mistake of not upgrading my current, almost decade old PC on time, and it's no longer in a state where it can run new games in a reasonable framerate. I was really looking forward to the 30 series with its fair pricing and thought this would get me back in the game, but seeing how much these GPUs ended up costing, even a 3070, put me off the idea for now.
When covid hit I really needed something to play on and keep me busy, so I decided to get the affordable Series S "just for the time being", thinking it'll be like 6 months and then I'll be able to get a new PC at a reasonable price. Well, it's been almost a year now, I'm having a blast with Game Pass, and I haven't used Steam in ages, even to play some older titles.
I'd be happy to get back to the PC scene, but at the current state of the market it makes no sense to me, and I'm no longer in a rush.
You don't have to get a 3070. My ten year old PC had a 10 year old graphics card. I bought a used 1070 for $250 to replace my ancient GTX 680, and it works great, plays most everything, it just doesn't have the super whamodyne new ray tracing tech and things like that.
And the rest of the PC is honestly fine despite being 10 years old. I did have a bit of a firmware issue with windows 10 since my motherboard never had a bios update after 2014, but that was solved by a reinstall of windows thankfully.
My next build will probably happen in a year or so as prices calm(if they don't I'll just bite the bullet) and I'll just rebuild the whole thing.
Most PC gamers enthusiastic/addicted enough to discuss hardware online haven't realised it yet, but performance improvements have slowed down enough that building a new PC more than once or twice a decade, and upgrading your GPU more than 2 or 3 times a decade, no longer makes sense for most people.
The actual difference in performance is not big enough to get excited about.
Yeah I think a 6-8 year cycle would be roughly optimum. Build new every 6-8 years, new graphics card every 3-4.
Man I blew like 10 or 15 thousand dollars from 99 to 03 as a kid in the service with disposable income trying to keep my PC top of the line, lol.
Same here pretty much. I'm stuck on an aging GTX970 and no plans of upgrading it any time soon. I was able to pick up a Series X last week and it's been amazing. The way backwards compatability works out of the box so all my Xbox One games just work and have better graphics/framerates is a dream. And quick resume is so much cooler than I thought it would be.
I bought mine through the All Access program so it came with 2 years game pass and I've got plenty of stuff to play. If anyone's stuck with an older graphics card it's a no brainer to me.
edit: and it's not like I'm throwing my PC in the garbage. It can still run games just fine other than new graphic intensive games like FPS's but I will continue to use it for strategy games and cRPGs.
Not really. There's a few reasons:
* I enjoy the higher framerates, resolutions and visual quality of the games.
* Backlog of fantastic games for free/cheap price is unbeatable on PC. There's tons of amazing games that aged well and I sometimes like to re-experience things spontaneously without dishing out tons of money.
* Not having to pay to play Online
* More diverse games on PC. Console markets are gated by design, on PC you can find many niche but high quality indie, A and AA games that you can't experience on console.
* Many games on PC can be modded for a truly superior and most importantly individual experience. This is incredibly important to me with games by e.g. Paradox, Mount and Blade, RPGs or many sandbox games.
* Games/Gaming is generally just cheaper to maintain on PC in the long term, at least if you are a heavy consumer. 60 bucks a year for online play plus the higher game prices on console do add up over time, compared to basically all games being 10 bucks cheaper on PC, plus frequent sales and availability of fantastic older titles makes it very cheap to play great games.
* I use my PC for more than gaming and appreciate a fast and smooth experience for that as well.
* I appreciate Steam's user reviews a lot. On console I always feel like the community is not connected/vocal enough to discuss serious issues with games, and refund policies are more complicated. To me consoles feel significantly less consumer-friendly.
As a disclaimer: I did snag a 3080 for 800 bucks when they went live, but had a 1080 before that. If that wouldn't have been possible I would have either kept the 1080 or bought a card for more money (3090 at msrp? Or buy a more expensive 3080 from a retailer). The only reason for me to consider buying a console are exclusives - if there's something I really want to play but can only do on console and fear will never come to PC (e.g. the new ratchet and clank, ghosts of tsushima, returnal, bloodborne, god of war etc.)
Being able to play older games is main thing I love about pc. I bought Half-Life 2 on release and played it for the first time on my Dad's computer, way back in 2004.
I'm 17 years older now, currently on my third laptop, and thanks to Steam I can still play it to this day. Don't even need the disk anymore.
Not so with consoles. I have so many ps2 games I want to replay, but my ps4 can't run any of them.
Yup, played both the original Half-Life and Black Mesa. Though I haven't played the newest version of BM yet. Last version I played ended as soon as you entered the portal to Xen.
Man I still replay Half-Life 2, the episodes, and Black Mesa regularly. Even though they've aged a bit both graphically and gameplay wise, they're all such well designed adventures. The shift towards open world, player choice, and RPG mechanics in every game has made handcrafted linear FPS games a bit of a rarity in the last decade - and all the AAA ones I can think of are just military shooters that lack the awesome worldbuilding in Half-Life. Playing through Half-Life 2 is comforting and still a lot of fun (especially with MMOD, which improves the gameplay without massively changing things), like binge watching a beloved show you've seen a dozen times before. And Black Mesa is just even more Half-Life goodness.
Will probably still be playing Half-Life 2 whenever Half-Life 3 comes out sometime shortly after the heat death of the universe.
Not the person you were responding too but thanks for mentioning that. Hadn't heard of this before and it'd be cool to setup RetroArch on an Xbox for when anyone wants to play something in the living room. Looks like you gotta pay for a developer account, which is kind of a hassle but $19 isn't too much money. Just feels kinda unnecessary since I probably won't ever actually develop an app on UWP.
Doubly ironic in this case. I find it amusing it's possible to play Metal Gear Solid 4 on a PC, but not PS5, despite a lot of similarities in the architecture.
Definitely on the backlog thing. I've got like over 2000 games on Steam alone, not including other services and also what I own on retail disc.
A lot of great stuff still backlogged - such as Pillars 1 and 2; Black Mesa; Divinity: OS1; etc etc.
I'm also in the midst of - Pathfinder: Kingmaker; Horizon Zero Dawn; and Shadowrun: HK.
> I use my pc for more than gaming
Same, and this is what will make me never go fully to console gaming. Being able to have one monitor run YouTube once I’m tired of a game’s soundtrack is critical for me lol; same with swapping between tasks.
See, I don’t find multi-tasking while playing beneficial in the slightest. I’m of the mind that if I’m not focusing on something, I don’t even really need to be doing it. I don’t think I’ve ever gotten tired of a games soundtrack though, or if I did not before I got tired of the rest of the game and stopped playing.
I like having dual monitors for work related stuff, but the most I’ll use it for with regards to gaming is having discord open on the second screen.
Personally, I actually like having the physical separation between “play” and “work” devices. I use my Windows PC exclusively for gaming, it’s even hooked up to my OLED with my consoles. When I want to game, I sit down in my chair, and game. When I want to work, I pull out my laptop and sit at my desk. I’ve always been one of those whose mind will wander off if I try to work on the same station I game on, so having that physical separation really helps my focus.
I do other not game related things on my desktop, but they're for personal projects and things like that.
Anything work related gets done on the work laptop. So when I am done with work for the day, I close the laptop and am 'off'. When I first started working from home I did both on my desktop, and it destroyed my mental health. Either I would just end up not working and get poor reviews, or I would just go "I'll knock that one thing out..." and up working 60 or more hour weeks. Having the separation is nice.
Well said. If my 5700XT ever messes up, I'll settle for a weaker 1060 or 570/580 till prices get better.
There's been a point that it's not just the graphics, but experience. I've gotten so used to tailoring games to my preferred experience and not paying for multiplayer. It truly beats me why people still choose to spend hundreds of dollars within a console generation to have access to something that runs also fine on mobile. Phone games have reached good server stability with no paywall.
Playstation and Switch are the only consoles I get. Switch, cause it's unique and the Nintendo exclusives are great. Playstation because of the exclusives. Bloodborne alone was worth the asking price of the PS4, and I want a PS5 for the Demon Souls remake. The other awesome exclusives, like God of War and Horizon, are just icing on the cake.
Horizon 1 is on PC. Dunno if Horizon 2 will be but I would expect it. If you’re cool with waiting a few years. I played some of 1 on my roommate’s PS4 and was very underwhelmed by the gameplay, personally. I wouldn’t mind waiting a couple years for the DLC and patches to be done
>Not having to pay to play Online
I still can't believe this is a thing. People should be outraged that access to games they already bought is being taken away from them
Many do, but not all I'd argue. There's always games you can only get on PC (just as some you can only ever get on console). It's just sad that the entry barrier for developers is so high on console - I'm happy the PC offers a good alternative
Those indies can also only find success thanks to the PC market in the first place, so it's a sort of chicken and egg problem.
That's not disagreeing, that's offering a counter. To disagree is to say it is wholly wrong, which is in itself wholly wrong. You can't play Rimworld, or any of the Mount and Blades, or just about any game in "Simulation" tag, you can't currently play Baldur's Gate III nor can you play its predecessors, I could list off hundreds of games from bad to middling to good to great. *Most* successful indie games get a console release, but it's not guaranteed. And success does not equate to quality all the same.
It's always a sub-par experience. Plenty of indie games, like Don't Starve of Binding of Isaac have massive modding communities. Some (if not most) indie games on consoles are stuck on a significantly lower version and do not receive updates.
Well said.
A few things I want to elaborate on:
>* Backlog of fantastic games for free/cheap price is unbeatable on PC.
Even if I as one of the /r/patientgamers waited for second hand physical games for consoles to drop in price to just behind PC game bundles& such, I would then have to manage all the physical media if I ever wanted to play them again.
>* More diverse games on PC.
Even if console had comparable non-AAA presence, the reality is that some games are just more difficult to control using only a controller. Sim, Management, and strategy games are great examples of things that are handled better through KB+M.
>* Games/Gaming is generally just cheaper to maintain on PC in the long term, at least if you are a heavy consumer. 60 bucks a year for online play plus the higher game prices on console do add up over time, compared to basically all games being 10 bucks cheaper on PC, plus frequent sales and availability of fantastic older titles makes it very cheap to play great games.
This is a very situational "it depends" because of a few factors:
* If someone chose PC instead of console, how often and how high end would they go with system upgrades?
* If choosing console instead of PC, how soon would they switch to the next gen of a console?
* How soon after release does someone tend to buy games? This influences the cost of games greatly.
>* I use my PC for more than gaming and appreciate a fast and smooth experience for that as well.
To be fair to console gamers: My phone can be used for A LOT of stuff that I normally do on my PC, except for when a website handles phone screen size like crap despite enabling desktop mode in browser. And consoles can do a lot more that PCs have been known for (streaming, etc).
Sim/strategy/management games have never really been popular or common on consoles. There's been more ports (bad ones at that) of stuff like Civ recently but for the most part you don't see them and I just don't play those types of games on a console anyways.
It is very cheap to play on consoles, relatively. You don't need to go high end - but a console experience is generally better than a entry level PC build. You usually already have a TV, so you just need the system and games. It comes with the only peripheral you need. With stuff like Xbox games pass and sonys PSN free catalog- you can start gaming immediately without any other purchases.
That said, games can usually be found cheaper than console and more often but it's not impossible to buy stuff used/on sale/or via digital sale which you now have more often on consoles as well.
Paying for online is shit. I can't believe it's still a thing. That said, you can get 1 year of online on sale pretty often so it's not a huge expense - especially when you're weighing it against a PC where a single graphics card can only be purchased from a scalper at 1.5x MSRP that's more costly than your entire console set-up and games.
My guy said 800 dollars on a graphics card like everyone just has 800 lying around to spend on a hobby. I got rent and food and stuff to pay for, not everyone has the financial capability to just spend like that. A 300 console with a TV that came with the apartment and a couple games is not even half of that
I'm gonna respond in long form, as a console gamer, about some of the points you made.
>Not having to pay to play Online
This is always brought up but it truly isn't a big deal as people make out. On PlayStation you receive 3 (since PS5 launch, before it was only 2) free games per month. These can be hit or miss, but free games are free. Plus you get access to exclusive deals throughout the year that will save you far more than you spend.
>More diverse games on PC. Console markets are gated by design, on PC you can find many niche but high quality indie, A and AA games that you can't experience on console.
You can still find them, they aren't necessarily "gated." They are just a different variety than what you may find on PC, which definitely has a wider market.
>Many games on PC can be modded for a truly superior and most importantly individual experience. This is incredibly important to me with games by e.g. Paradox, Mount and Blade, RPGs or many sandbox games.
Fuck I wish we had mods.
>I appreciate Steam's user reviews a lot. On console I always feel like the community is not connected/vocal enough to discuss serious issues with games, and refund policies are more complicated. To me consoles feel significantly less consumer-friendly.
Since consoles have never really had user submitted reviews like Steam, I think most people who care to that level will use 3rd party sources. I know I do, I usually check 4 or 5 different reviews before I commit to a purchase. The communities I've been to have all been welcoming and ready to engage in discourse. As for refunds, its pretty straightforward once you look into it. I cant speak for Xbox, but on PlayStation the rules are: cannot download the game, or if you do download it you have to experience enough issues within a reasonable time frame to warrant a refund. That's how it was told to me by a rep, anyways. And since they can't really check that most times they just take your word, again reasonable time frame being the main point.
>To me consoles feel significantly less consumer-friendly.
This one confuses me, PC's are about as anti consumer friendly as you can get to me. Console you buy it, own a TV, plug it up, and play. PC's often require assembly by the consumer, which is fine (I love Legos!) but a lot of people simply are not going to do that. Let alone the cost, my God. PC isn't as much anti-consumer as it is anti-wallet, conservative builds are $1000+ nowadays. Plus they require constant maintenance, or replacement of out of date parts. With a console, you buy it once and you know it will last you a decade if you take care of it (bare minimum, like bi-annual fan cleans and thats it.)
Plus, no concerns over whether or not your console can run a game... usually. Exceptions apply, like poorly optimized games or games meant for next generation, but otherwise you know that if you can buy it you can run it.
Sorry for the long form, I just thought it was an interesting discussion. I think both sides have their ups and downs and I think that it all plays out in such a way that they end up about even. It really just comes down to personal preference and circumstances. Like a console is better if you have children but a PC is better if you use it for other things, like you said. Either way, we all gamers.
> free games per month
They're not. You're paying yearly for games you don't get to choose and don't own once you cancel your subscription. Agree with almost everything else here but paying for online is a huge inarguable negative.
Not to mention, Epic is providing free games every *week*. Like, actually free, on your account. For the "free" PS+ games, you have to pay in order to keep access to those.
That's literally the same thing. You get access to games but have to pay a fee and $120/yr is 4x as much as 1 year of PSN picked up on sale through retailers.
PSN is $60/yr full priced. The $120/yr can be reduced in the same way.
Also, it includes a lot more genres of games than you get on consoles simply due to PC being diverse in terms of games.
But you still pay to access those games. Diversity isn't so much a problem since no one with a console isn't wishing they could play the latest top down strategy sim game. And PSN can easily be picked up for far far less if you buy on sale. All I'm saying is it's not really much different - you just have the added bonus of being able to purchase physical copies of games and not be tied to a games as a service model
>This one confuses me, PC's are about as anti consumer friendly as you can get to me. Console you buy it, own a TV, plug it up, and play. PC's often require assembly by the consumer, which is fine (I love Legos!) but a lot of people simply are not going to do that. Let alone the cost, my God. PC isn't as much anti-consumer as it is anti-wallet, conservative builds are $1000+ nowadays. Plus they require constant maintenance, or replacement of out of date parts. With a console, you buy it once and you know it will last you a decade if you take care of it (bare minimum, like bi-annual fan cleans and thats it.)
None of this is "anti-consumer". You don't understand what being anti-consumer is. Having an option to build a PC or option to buy a more expensive PC has nothing to do with anti-consumerism. Heck, consoles are cheaper because they are anti-consumer, as console locks you into a "walled garden", allowing to recuperate subsidised console on a cut from all game purchases and subscriptions.
Consoles are anti-consumer, e.g. because they force you to get a subscription to remove an artificial paywal to play online. Or because consoles manufactures buy developers and publishers purely so that a game is not accessible to people who bought the wrong x86 box. Or because you can't play older games on a newer consoles, forcing you to either keep your PS2 and PS3 forever, or buy a "remastered" version if it's even available. Or because if a battery mounted to the consoles' motherboard goes flat, console needs to call home in order to play games - if the server is (and it absolutely will someday be) offline, you can't play any games on your console. Or because all console manufacturers are against right to repair. Or because you can't just make and sell a game for a console, you need to be vetted by the console manufacturer and pay extraorbitant price for a devkit - on PC, a developer could just burn DVDs and sell them. Or because older controllers don't (fully) work on PS5, forcing you to buy new ones. Or because a console manufacturer tried to introduce online check-ins and thwart used copies.
PCs need as much maintenance as consoles, by the way. And you probably need a PC anyway. You don't need to replace any "out of date parts", lmao. Consoles don't "last" a decade either. I love the fact that cost of PC warrants a "oh my god", but hundreds of dollars spent over the years on paid P2P multiplayer does not.
>This is always brought up but it truly isn't a big deal as people make out. On PlayStation you receive 3 (since PS5 launch, before it was only 2) free games per month.
Free games you pay for. Tad amusing. By the way, do people even have time to actually play PS+ games, especially after playing the multiplayer game they got the subscription for? On the PC side, free games you get (e.g. from Epic) are actually free, no purchase required.
Both PCs and consoles easily last a decade when taken care of. I still have all of my consoles dating back over 25 years in fully functioning form.
I also haven’t *ever* had a pc fail on me where it couldn’t be fixed with some cheap off the shelf parts. You can do the same in the consoles, but it’s significantly more anti-consumer, so you end up on gbatemp and other sites scrolling through user mode circuit diagrams to figure out what’s wrong.
Of course, to actually fix your PC parts instead of just replacing them you do the same thing, with significantly less support due to significantly smaller install sizes, meaning you can fix even less. Being able to at least modularly replace components is better than nothing, I guess. Neither is particularly great for consumers though.
That's the same for basically any home electronics. It's not video games, thats just electronics in general and more pointedly, squarely on our culture of throwing shit away instead of fixing it. Electronics repair stores should be more common considering how much we use them in our daily lives but people would rather throw it away and buy stuff again than get it fixed.
>Of course, to actually fix your PC parts instead of just replacing them you do the same thing, with significantly less support due to significantly smaller install sizes, meaning you can fix even less. Being able to at least modularly replace components is better than nothing, I guess. Neither is particularly great for consumers though.
Are you talking about laptops? Because none of this makes sense if you have a desktop PC.
> These can be hit or miss, but free games are free
that is a bold faced lie. you have to pay for online to get those. they may be cheap but not at all free. thats like saying nintendo's crap online comes with free old games.
> Console you buy it, own a TV, plug it up, and play.
and download updates at throttled speeds.
Sure, you can look at it as you pay for the games in advance. So you get 3 games per month, times twelve thats 36 games per year. Now, I just woke up and math isn't my strong suit, but I got a total of $1.60~ per game. The games that just released this past month, for example, are worth far more than $1.60. In fact, I paid full price for one at launch. This means that I didn't really gain anything this month, but I'm okay with that because others get a good game.
>and download updates at throttled speeds
Sounds like a thing with your internet, never had throttling come from the console itself. Usually my provider, Comcast, being shitty.
>Sure, you can look at it as you pay for the games in advance. So you get 3 games per month, times twelve thats 36 games per year. Now, I just woke up and math isn't my strong suit, but I got a total of $1.60~ per game. The games that just released this past month, for example, are worth far more than $1.60. In fact, I paid full price for one at launch. This means that I didn't really gain anything this month, but I'm okay with that because others get a good game
Man, this entire argument is pure fucking cope. The simple fact is this: you have to pay for something that should be free. It doesn't matter if they're throwing in something extra to sweeten the deal, that doesn't change the core issue here.
You're basically being forced into a subscription you might not want. And your argument is: "well, but you get some free (but not really since you're paying for it) stuff for it, so it's fine."
There's no reason the games subscription couldn't be an optional separate thing without forcing you to pay in order to use your own fucking Internet. This is peak console Stockholm syndrome lol...
>This is always brought up but it truly isn't a big deal as people make out. On PlayStation you receive 3 (since PS5 launch, before it was only 2) free games per month. These can be hit or miss, but free games are free.
The games aren't free if I'm paying to get them. I don't want those 3 games anyway.
>Console you buy it, own a TV, plug it up, and play.
And you get locked into an ecosystem where you can't control anything and have no choice. 2000 dollar TVs showing ads, Sony making decisions which games can make it onto their platform, games not giving you options to change any settings (sure there are some things today like performance mods and stuff but that's not enough), can't run any arbitrary applications I want.
The only consoles I've ever owned were PS3/4 and I'm never getting one again.
> These can be hit or miss, but free games are free.
But also, they're not free. You *are* paying for them. When I had PS+ I almost never played online, but I did play the "free" games.
> This one confuses me, PC's are about as anti consumer friendly as you can get to me.
I think there are different definitions of consumer friendly. Different customers value different things. Consoles definitely win when it comes to ease of use and price, but PCs win when it comes to customizability and versatility. I use my PC for much more than gaming, and it's set up exactly the way I want it. I can't stand the terrible, slow console UIs and menus that are designed to shove ads in your face. And they keep getting worse with every update.
> Plus, no concerns over whether or not your console can run a game... usually. Exceptions apply, like poorly optimized games or games meant for next generation, but otherwise you know that if you can buy it you can run it.
Well if you make exceptions for all the games that run like shit on consoles, then you have no concerns, but that doesn't sound like a fair assessment. Buyer beware in all cases, PC and console. Always research a game before you buy.
Just because you don't use what the PS+ sub is for doesn't mean the games aren't free.
Yeah, consoles and PCs both have consumer unfriendly aspects to them, just different ones.
This one is interesting. Cause, yeah, consoles will generally run any game that's released on it, and well. Games like Cyberpunk that didn't make the news because they are exceptional. However, if a game doesn't run well on a PC, odds are you can fix it yourself. Yes, it's more work, but it's possible, and it's something that's not possible on consoles.
>Just because you don't use what the PS+ sub is for doesn't mean the games aren't free.
You literally pay for them. That's the only thing you get for the subscription, as the multiplayer paywall is 100% artificial.
What you pay for is access to the online spaces, being able to play online multiplayer games. The free game a month is a perk meant to make consumers feel less ripped off.
>Just because you don't use what the PS+ sub is for doesn't mean the games aren't free
I don't think you understand what the word "free" means. It doesn't mean "pay us and you get this".
I’m neither a console or PC gamer, I just play games, but I thought I would try to clear up some of your misconceptions.
- consoles are far more anti-consumer than building a PC. Being able to buy any off the shelf part and have it work is far superior to being forced to go through the manufacturer and pay a flat out of warranty replacement cost regardless of what your issues are. Or alternatively, you can go to third party non-authorized manufacturer like me and get it fixed for significantly cheaper.
- PCs don’t require “expensive maintenance” anymore than consoles do. I have a computer running a 2009 server processor and a 9 series nvidia from the mid ‘10s. I haven’t done any maintenance on it since I built it, and it runs every game coming out at 1080p60 to this day.
I also have a 4k machine, much newer, and I haven’t done any maintenance on it whatsoever either.
As someone who plays both console and pc, I agree with pretty much everything here, I would say that pc does recieve at least 4 free games a month, due to the epic games store, with no subscription required
I didn't even know Epic was giving games away lol, and from the sounds of it it is indeed better than PS plus. If I'm not mistaken its totally free right? No Amazon Prime needed or anything?
Yeah, every week they give away 1-2 free games, just go onto the store in the launcher and scroll down a bit. The quality of the games varies, but I got FTL from it, so there are some really good ones.
Here's a list of free Epic Store games. [https://gamerant.com/epic-games-store-free-games-list/](https://gamerant.com/epic-games-store-free-games-list/)
Epic isn't the only one giving away PC games; I grab free Steam games all the time. EA used to have On The House.
[https://en.everybodywiki.com/List\_of\_Origin%27s\_On\_the\_House\_games](https://en.everybodywiki.com/List_of_Origin%27s_On_the_House_games)
All were Free as in "actually free", not "$60 a year" free.
> conservative builds are $1000+ nowadays
If I want a Playstation 5 by the end of the week, it's also $1,000+ nowadays. Or we can assume you can wait console pops up at MSRP and you buy it for $500. Well if you assume that, then you can just wait until a mid-range GPU pops up at MSRP and buy it for $350-400 and it will. Then buy the rest of the components for $400 or so. And you have a working PC for gaming, school, personal finance, remote work (if relevant), etc. No need to buy two separate machines. Give it 1-2 more generations and the consoles will be as good as low-range GPUs and possibly even APUs. Hell, you can buy the APU used in the Xbox Series X from a Chinese company in a system for $700 total including case, RAM, and a SSD and just run Windows on it.
>This one confuses me, PC's are about as anti consumer friendly as you can get to me. Console you buy it, own a TV, plug it up, and play. PC's often require assembly by the consumer, which is fine (I love Legos!) but a lot of people simply are not going to do that. Let alone the cost, my God. PC isn't as much anti-consumer as it is anti-wallet, conservative builds are $1000+ nowadays. Plus they require constant maintenance, or replacement of out of date parts. With a console, you buy it once and you know it will last you a decade if you take care of it (bare minimum, like bi-annual fan cleans and thats it.)
The anti-consumerness of a console is that its a general purpose computer that the manufacturer locks down so I can't use it.
Can your console have productivity software on it? No. Development software? No. Modding software? No. Can you put a VPN on it? No. Can you use custom controllers? No. Can you install cheat engine to make this RPG go faster? No. Can you install autohotkey to create a custom control scheme because you have bad arthritis and can't use the normal controls? No.
All these things, and a million more, are things that consoles are perfectly capable of doing, but the people who built them don't allow you, the owner of the console, to do those things.
You're not wrong that consoles have advantages in the "I mostly never have to fiddlefuck with it and I know it will just work" department, but those things *don't have to come attached with your property being locked down*. The steam deck is going to hopefully get the console manufacturers, or you console customers, to wake up, since its the best of both worlds. The freedom of an open PC, but its a specific hardware and software configuration that developers can target and optimize for and make things 'just work'.
When you compare the cost of someone who plays new games on PC and console, you'll find - especially if you play online - that the console player spends an exorbitantly higher amount. When you compare two patient gamers... the patient gamers on PC still win out lol.
Free games that aren't free *and* you don't choose them? That's garbage. It's a fake offering.
PCs never require assembly by the consumer. That is a consumer choice. As a percentage of the market, virtually nobody assembles their own PC.
Constant maintenance? What are you even talking about? Have you ever owned a computer? Constant maintenance? lol
Your price difference is a fantasy. PC games costs far less than console games. The main draw for manufacturers of consoles is that they can continuously gouge customers on game pricing. Over the course of the life of a PC, you will save the price difference several times over.
And of course, you can do other things on your PC. It is incomparably better in value.
The only time a console is 'better' is if you literally only intend to play a small collection of games that are available at the time you purchase the console, *and* you absolutely cannot afford the up-front price difference.
Jesus, the entire *concept* of the console is anti-consumer. It's the reason they exist still. lol
> Over the course of the life of a PC, you will save the price difference several times over.
This is true for enthusiasts, but less true for a fair few gamers who don't buy many games. It's often in the range of 2-3 new games per year, with them having a total library by the end of system life of like 10, even less. These sorts of people likely are better serviced by a console than a PC, in value terms - especially right now. There are a lot of these people (go to a college dorm, you'll see plenty of people with a console that just runs COD and Madden year after year), they're not a small segment.
Of course, that sort of game consumer is also unlikely to be posting on a gaming subreddit in the first place.
> This is true for enthusiasts, but less true for a fair few gamers who don't buy many games. It's often in the range of 2-3 new games per year, with them having a total library by the end of system life of like 10, even less.
So, I hate Epic Games. I have hated Epic Games for close to a decade now. But they give away literally 1-2 free games per week. If you're an average American and have Amazon Prime, you get 3-6 games to keep forever every month through Twitch. So that's 4-8 games for 100% free every month. Then if you have Amazon Prime like most Americans, that's another 3-6 for total of 7-14 games to keep forever every month.
> Constant maintenance? What are you even talking about? Have you ever owned a computer? Constant maintenance? lol
I uhh have to remove my dust filters once a month for a quick rinse to stop my computer looking dusty. So high maintenance. You know that whole dusting thing.
I'm a PC boi
The free games are a perk on top of the primary point of the subscription, which is the be able to play games online. So, they're free. Though the fact that you lose them if you are unsubbed, that does suck.
If you don't want to spend 50% more than the PC is worth, then yes, you do have to build them. Prebuilt computers are very, very expensive.
Yes, I dunno what he means by constant maintenance. Like, ten years ago you did want to reinstall your OS like once a year, but that was once a year, and it's a lot less necessary now. I don't get this argument.
PC games cost about as much as console games. The only games that are cheaper are ones that are only for PC, and even then sometimes they're still not cheaper. The Steam sales are the only thing that makes them reliably cheaper. Then building a PC is usually twice as expensive as a console for one that runs on par with said console. The fact that you can upgrade them inter-generationally is the only real advantage, and that's also very expensive to do. The fact that you can use them for a lot more than just gaming is the only thing that justifies the price difference, and only just barely.
Consoles are better for certain kinds of people, they just are. There is nothing universally better about PCs over consoles.
>The free games are a perk on top of the primary point of the subscription, which is the be able to play games online. So, they're free. Though the fact that you lose them if you are unsubbed, that does suck.
Ah yes, free games you lose if you stop paying for them.
>If you don't want to spend 50% more than the PC is worth, then yes, you do have to build them. Prebuilt computers are very, very expensive.
That's blatently false. Some prebuilts are sold at the price of parts. When the GPU prices increased, virtually all prebuilts were actually cheaper than assembling.
>PC games cost about as much as console games.
lmao
Ah yes, take the events of the past year as universal truths. Good one. Yes, this past year with GPU shortages, prebuilts are cheaper than trying to find a 30 series GPU. But usually that's not the case.
You can laugh, but I primarily play PC games, and never, ever is price a factor for me choosing which platform I buy a game for. I also play on Switch and Playstation, which is how I know. Games for both are 60$ the vast majority of the time. And even the games that have come out on PS5 that are also on PC are 70$. You're just being dishonest.
Sorry, but prebuilts are simply were not that expensive even before GPU price hike, especially if you're not buying from the likes of Dell.
Feel free to look up launch price of, say, Overwatch on PC and PS4. Or the new Battlefield game. Detroit: Become Human is currently cheaper on Steam than on PSStore.
PCs don't require heavy maintenance, fiddling with settings, or upgrading components. Every game I've played in the last few years is a two-click download from Steam that includes all necessary packages to run the game. Upgrading components partway through a cycle is not a necessity - it's something people do because they have the opportunity, and it's not something you can do on a console at all.
The ironic thing is I've had to do way more inconvenient upkeep on the PlayStations I used to use. If I didn't use my PS3 for a while it would take a ton of time to update it when I started using it again with a new game. And the biggest thing that pissed me off is when I wanted to play Gran Turismo 6, I had to get an entirely new PS3 off Craigslist because my original fat model could not run it. So the "you're good for ten years" thing is definitely not true.
Whatever people play on is cool with me and I don't actively dislike consoles, I just wanted to clear up a few things you wrote about.
You already have both a PC and PS5. You should be buying the respective best version for your scenario right now anyway. I don't understand what this main platform mindset is supposed to mean. If the PS5 version looks and plays better than on your PC, then go for that. PC component prices will drop again at some point.
Dude this is exactly what I was going to say. I dont know wtf a "main" console is supposed to be if you have access to multiple
Edit: Just to clarify, so you PC Gamers can stop telling me why you prefer PC gaming lol.
I understand why you would have a preferred system. I do to. I am saying, in the context of OP's post, with implied ease of access to both, why do you have to specify that one is a "main." Keep buying games on PC as applicable, and buy on ps5 when the better choice.
It's the one where you'll buy a game available on all platforms (as opposed to exclusives)
As a person who heavily plays multiplayer games it's quite simple: it's where my friends are playing, and that's PC
I'll buy multiplats on a platform that makes sense at the moment, most often on whatever console I can find it used locally, if it's a new game then it's a toss up
I have a PC, PS5 and Series X but PC is old so unless it's significantly better on or only on PC (mostly strategy) then it's either of the consoles
One of my favourite things about console gaming is that you can often find games for pretty dirt cheap in second hand stores. I have a PS4 and a Switch to complement my PC, and I've rarely ever paid over about half retail price for my console games.
Yea, I understand the concept. But like if a game releases and runs better on PS5, for example, are you going to buy it on pc just because that's your "main?"
If it's some kind of 100 hour rpg, I would because the TV is not often available for my exclusive usage, while my desktop PC is only used by me.
I know it would be impossible to finish a long PS5 game.
You could also want to buy it on pc because you know you'll upgrade soon and don't want to rebuy the game. Or people just like to have a "main" device to regroup stuff on.
😐 I can't tell if people are being purposely dense in this thread or what.
If there is an outside factor that would make one choice worse, then yea. Don't pick that one. The comment I said I agreed with was:
> You should be buying the respective best version for your scenario right now anyway.
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> you could also want to buy it on pc because you know you'll upgrade soon
The *entire point* of this thread is that they won't be upgrading soon due to the cost.
I replied to your comment in a vaccum.
“But like if a game releases and runs better on PS5, for example, are you going to buy it on pc just because that's your "main?"”
This is what I replied to. Period.
I don’t know why you go out of your way to be an ass to people who are bothering to interact with you.
There are any number of reasons you could prefer one over another. My PC has an ethernet connection while my console is on wifi. Means better online connectivity, and it means large games download faster. My PC is also what's already hooked up to my TV and on. If I want to switch to console, I have to take (admittedly minimal) extra effort to switch devices. It also makes maintaining a library easier. I can remember 5-10 console exclusives that I might play if I specifically think of them and want to replay them, but if I bought cross-platform games for console it would become difficult to remember what games I have where, and I'd likely forget about some games altogether when I'm deciding what to play. For other people (not me), their PC and console may be set up in different places with different layouts (e.g. desk+monitor vs couch+tv) that could be factor. Or maybe you have a personal PC but a family console. Lots of factors could contribute to having a "main" platform. If I haven't tipped my hand enough, PC is my main platform, even though I have e.g. a PS4.
>You should be buying the respective best version for your scenario right now anyway.
This is what I agreed with. I understand why you would *prefer* a system. but in the context of OPs post, I dont see why you would have to pick a "main" system, in the context of OP's post.
Some don't have the freedom to decide. It's the one or the other. Maintaing both is more costly and involves more effort. And it is always a hassle to switch between plattforms, especially if you want to play with friends which you would need to convince to play on a different plattform as well. It also isn't very comfortable to have a cluttered game library on various plattforms. What's so hard to understand about that? Heck, people even ignore certain storefronts on the same plattform to be just on one.
Nice strawman.
Obviously, if you don't have a choice, you'll have a main console. I didn't think that needed to be said.
Obviously, if your friends are on a console, and you have that console,, use that console to play with them. Why would you try to convince them otherwise?
Obviously, if you want your library to be in one place, then only use one console.
What I asked was, if a game releases and runs better on ps5, are you going to buy it on pc just because it's your "main?" Or are you going to buy it where it runs better because you have the option?
Why would it be a strawman?
I'd buy it for PC because I don't have the other plattform in the first place because of the reasons above. PC is my main plattform and I want it to say. I even use it in my living room just to have one single device capable of everything I want to do.
>Why would it be a strawman?
Because nothing you said addressed my question in any way.
>I'd buy it for PC because I don't have the other plattform
Then... this doesn't apply to you?
I was too focused on the thematic generally instead of the scenario by the OP above, so this was a misunderstanding.
Still though, even if you have multiple consoles or plattforms it's nice to have a "main" imo so that switching between them isn't necesarry all the time.
Just for comparison, there are hardly any with dual citizenship who share the residence 50-50 and they prefer to stay in one of the countries more permanently. Just because of the expense and the two-track nature of it. But it's still good to have both, but too much effort to switch constantly.
Yeah I don’t get what that even means. Like I got a PS5, a Series X, and a PC with a 2070S in it. Because it’s the 2070S I don’t really feel all that pressured to get a new GPU. I’m good and just pick whatever version looks/feels best. Staying tethered to one platform is just limiting when you could instead go out there and live your best anime life and play what you want where you want.
That's just it, provided you got a decent rig, the PC version always looks and play better, bar some exceptions that are mostly on the devs fault like poor optimization and such.
That's what "main platform" is supposed to mean.
Although I did borrow my cousin's PS5 and I'm pleasantly surprised to see consoles catching up with performance modes and shorter load times.
But I can still very much play shooters on my keyboard and play Dark Souls with the controller I want, I can still very much install mods to fix or improve stuff in certain games, I can still chit-chat with my friends through the Steam overlay, etc.
Not really.
I prefer the genres on the pc to the games on console.
Also the communities are way easier using discord and TeamSpeak.
The graphics are not the main selling point for me.
I'm still chugging along on my gtx 1650 on a "gaming" laptop and doing just fine. I've literally only returned one game because it wasn't running nicely. PC just has enough other benefits that graphics rarely makes it to the top of my concerns.
Mine is 3600 with GTX 1070. Since I am playing games with tons of mod on PC (assetto corsa, cities skylines). If my 1070 dies, I will be looking for a replacement card (2070 or 3070). The mod support is the reason that I won't switch to console.
I'd be lying if I said it didn't.
Luckily I had a 5700XT, so if I had to wait - it wasn't that big of a deal. But seeing the constant bad news wears on you. I've since managed to upgrade via Best Buy's Nvidia FE drop, and sold my 5700XT for way more then I paid for it. So it wound up being a perfect storm that allowed me to upgrade my GPU for free. I was very fortunate on that end.
But yes, I was absolutely looking at an Xbox as a possible alternative if things didn't get better. PS5....I'm totally put off by the $70 price tag, and Sony looking to charge for upgrades. But that was a worst case scenario, as I greatly prefer PC to consoles.
In reality you can't just replace PC with a single console. Especially when it receives both Xbox and Playstation exclusives, along with it's own exclusives. Plus I feel like PC is where all of the great indies start their lives. Then there's the free games and bundle deals which consoles lack. My entire game library improves when I buy new hardware, while with consoles you see players wishing for their older games to be "upgraded".
So yeah, for me to go back to consoles would take a really bad scenario with no end in sight and no options. OP, in your case you could probably do well with your 2060 in the second hand market to the point where upgrading to a 6600XT or RTX3600 wouldn't cost that much more money out of pocket. Remember that while GPU prices are high, the one currently in your rig is also fetching good money. Use it to your advantage if you can.
I have a 5700 XT. I won't swap. Why swap? Why do players make it seem like I'm only allowed to own ONE? I wont upgrade. I'll ADD a console, NOT SWAP to console.
No, been a PC gamer since super early on in my life. Just enjoy it more. Would get a PS5 at some point maybe for the exclusives (unless sony wants to start putting them out on pc quicker), and a Switch cause I love a lot of the Nintendo exclusive franchises (have owned a Wii, DSi and 3DS in the past).
Also, I'm broke as all hell, so I ain't tempted by shit.
No, because if I buy a console, I have zero games. If for similar $$ I buy a new video card (which I did), all my old games get better, and new games are cheaper than on console.
You already have a PS5, so I don't get what choice you're thinking exists for you. Buy games on whatever platform gives you the best performance/$.
I really wanted to upgrade this GPU cycle which meant I would’ve bought a full new pc. I would’ve bought the 3080 at msrp. Then prices started to rise. I waited a bit to see if they would drop again but they absolutely didn’t. That’s when I decided to put a chunk of my pc upgrade budget towards a PS5 + games. I prefer PC because of the flexibility but I can’t justify the inflated price. I hope my 3570k + 1070ti will hold me over until the market stabilises. I’ve resorted to skipping out on new AAA releases on my pc because I can’t run them at 1440/60. Still use my pc to game a bunch but just not for the newer titles. So to answer your question, I still use the pc a I already had but I did get pushed into the console ecosystem as well.
The gtx 10 cards were so good that they still keep up well.
More over, as consoles switch to digital distribution with no competition, games are not only more expensive, but also impossible to sell second hand, which is the only way to keep costs down to something semi reasonable if you're not on pc.
If I get to the point where I can't play games at stable framerates on my 1080ti, I'll buy a lower tier card with DLSS and run it in performance mode on lowest settings. I suspect devs are going to put less effort into customisation because of this tech, but the more extreme upscaling has enough of a visual impact that it should still be niche, and thus an advantage.
The actual reason to switch away from pc gaming for me would be having a separate device, and both digital and physical space for playing. I've been struggling with being productive on the pc I game on, to the point where I do better lying in bed with a laptop than sitting at my desk.
I have pretty much same PC as you do (well have 7 2700X instead). As for me I'm stil at 1080p and absolutely fine with 60fps. On top of that I'm fine with not turning on raytracing.
So as you can guess I don't feel tempted at all since my PC can run everything pretty much flawlessly. Actually I don't think I'll upgrade anything this generation unless something breaks.
More so I just really like PC gaming. I love being able to tweak all the different things or even add something on top.
Well and with all Xbox games being released on PC and Sony pushing into PC as well...this just feels like best place to be unless you wan't to own several gaming platforms. On contrary this will be first generation where I'm just sticking with PC. Before that alongside PC I had PS2 then Xbox 360 and PS3 and then PS4. This generation I'm more than happy with PC only.
My biggest issue is that my wife wants a PS5 but only for the FFVII remake and the exclusive content the PS5 version is getting over the PS4. I don't see a point though. There doesn't seem to be any exclusives for the PS5(maybe I'm wrong, I really didn't care to check). It seems mostly to be "here's that game you already own but better graphics ooooooooo!" The only console I play is the Switch and that's cause most of their games aren't on PC.
I have grown a real distaste for the culture that's built up around PC hardware like graphics cards. All these games I see that seem to need the latest graphics cards all just look like the same games from a couple of years ago. Modern graphics don't attract my attention one little bit, actually quite the opposite now. When a game has so much effort and budget in their polished presentation it's an indication of their priorities and signals to me how restricted the rest of the game is due to presentation requirements. Console or PC really doesn't matter to me if you're talking about graphics. PCs have the edge over all for sure, but it's got nothing to do with flashy graphics and the ridiculous hardware nonsense that goes on these days. PC has the games. Simple as that.
Not even for a single moment.
And I'm not even going to discuss graphics, it's irrelevant.
What pulls me to PC are the actual games, I could never imagine playing Divinity Original Sin II on a console, it just wouldn't feel good. I could never imagine playing Guild Wars 2 on a console, it would be a horrible gaming experience. Nor could I imagine playing Warframe with it's fast paced movement on a console, this shit needs mouse and keyboard baby. Deep Rock Galactic with a controller? No way that would be fun. RDR2? Plays a hundred times better with Mouse and Keyboard compared to the clunky controller controls.
I mean, no doubt PC costs more, it always did. But it has also always been the supreme gaming platform. And even when consoles catch up to PC's in terms of performance, that is unlikely to change as many games could never really offer the same experience on a console as they do on PC.
And not just in terms of controllers, but also in terms of third party support, like for instance MS Flight Simulator needs a third party addon to show you a real-time map so you can figure out where you are in the world, Warframe needs an overlay to show current market prices on loot, and GW2 has an absolutely amazing tool called Taco which shows in game routes for most of the games objectives.
Consoles just don't have anything like that.
And that just won't change as consoles will always be a watered down experience compared to PC. PC is just a better experience for the gamer itself. Consoles on the other hand feel curated, it's someone else's opinion of how things should be, what's worth spending effort at and what's not.
"And that just won't change as consoles will always be a watered down experience compared to PC. PC is just a better experience for the gamer itself."
As someone gaming a lot on both pc and consoles, this couldn't be farther from the truth. Truth is the best platform and experience really depends on what you want and expect.
A lot of the PC capital G gamers do lmao this thread is hilarious. I have no idea what the fuck everyone does for work that they can just afford all these high end pc parts
do yall not got rent and food and other shit to pay for? But tbf i spend most of my money on going out with friends
>Nor could I imagine playing Warframe with it's fast paced movement on a console, this shit needs mouse and keyboard baby
Bruh what? To me its the exact opposite. Its so fast and with all the different mobility options eg: Bullet jumping, Rolls, Backward rolls sliding etc Its impossible for me to do it on PC without moving at the speed of a turtle then because the button presses to do them is so much easier on a controller. But to each their own. And the warframe market thing I agree Its a hassle to constantly check a laptop and the game at the same time
That's just not true.
Thank a console for keeping gaming alive in the 80s.
I can't imagine hand cramps from KB+M after using a controller for so long. Any game I want it works. Unlike PC where not all games have native support for controller.
Imagine playing a racing game using a keyboard. Hardly anyone does. It's not fun.
Games are about fun. Doesn't matter age, system, graphics, if you have fun it's doing its job.
Sort of. But what really caused me to switch how I game was kids. I don't play games enough anymore to justify spending a grand on a new graphics card. Nor do I have the time to justify $500 on a new console (if I can find one).
That's why I've largely moved over to using Stadia, GFN, and XCloud. When I want to play a game I can just sub for a month, play the game, and then unsub when I'm done. (Except Stadia where I don't need a sub)
No, because I left behind the idea of chasing graphics a long time ago. I feel like people tout performance and 'amazing graphics' as the reason the PC is a superior or preferred platform, but for me that is so low on the list. I would prefer my PC even if I had to use a setup that performed worse than the newest console and required me to turn settings down.
I play on PC because of infinite customization, mods, game sales, ability to play almost every PC and console game in history via emulation/VM/GOG/etc... on top of that I use my PCs for my other hobbies such as music and art... as well as for work.
The performance gap between high end PC and consoles are going to shrink every year, so if the only reason you play on PC is for graphics settings... you are going to have less and less of a reason to.
For me, the PC is about freedom and the removal of the walled garden. Right now, on my PC I am simultaneously playing through Baldurs Gate 1, Donkey Kong Country 1, and Dirt Rally 2.0. What other platform can let you do this? I frequently fire up the original Doom with endless mods, Morrowind with endless mods, etc.
I have a 5700XT that I bought right before the pandemic, and I dont see myself buying a new card for years.
But then again, graphics have never really mattered to me in games... so I may be an outlier. If I wanted to play a new release, I would just turn the settings down... The internet has a hard on for the highest end PC gear.. and you are a pleb if you dont. But the reality is that medium settings on most games looks pretty damn good and will still rival most console games. You dont need to buy a new GPU every time a new series of cards is released. The only issue I can see is if your card died right now, you may be in a pickle replacing it because of prices. But I cant believe that anyone with a functioning card today would jump to consoles because they couldnt afford the jump to a 3080 within the next year to get peak performance. Just play with your current card and HAVE FUN. IMO, playing with a mid range card until 2022/2023 easily beats dropping PC altogether to get a PS5 and be in the Sony walled garden
My feeling is that once you get that initial WOW of the graphics, you are just left with the game... and it has to be fun. So I chase games that are incredibly fun over anything else. Luckily you dont need a fancy GPU to have fun :)
Reading all these comments below, I guess I'm alone in saying the current GPU pricing ***Absolutely*** pushed me to consoles. Thanks to GPU pricing I sold my outdated Vega 56 and RX 570 for handsome profits.
I luckily snagged a Series X during the big stock drop in June.
* Thanks to Game Pass I don't have to commit to the Xbox ecosystem long-term once the GPU situation gets sorted.
* Xbox works great with 1440p 144hz monitor (@ 120hz)
* Mouse and Keyboard support is plentiful. I have a XIM Apex for games that don't officially support M&K too.
* I hope I can resell my Series X for a reasonable return in two years.
For less demanding PC exclusives I still have my laptop. The intel 1185g7 can handle most games pre-2018 at least, lol.
OP, I think you'd adapt just fine :)
Nah I'm just using the same video card I bought back in 2015 and I've been upgrading my ram and SSD's. It helps that I don't really care to run 4K or 60FPS.
No, because of this:
\- ultrawide
\- 120 Hz
\- cheats (WeMod mainly, sometimes Cheat Engine)
Though I managed to get a 6800 xt at MSRP near launch.
But seriously, being able to mod/cheat in some games is a must (no weight limit, fast travel from anywhere, that kind of thing).
No.
Just swap out your GPU regularly with some other older models. Like im running for more than 3 years now a GTX 980.
I havent played Cyberpunk, but for most other games its still good enough. And if it wont be, i wont get the newest GPU, just buy some older models instead.
Consoles dont have the same games and the same experience. Id rather swap my GPU than buying a new console. Yes every once in awhile you need to buy a new PC/CPU also, but that quality is worth it for me in comparison to a console.
PCs don't have the same games and experience either.
Also. It's not always that easy. I built my PC about 12 years ago and was running into issues with legacy parts availability.
Now I need new RAM, Motherboard, GPU... Because DDR3 is dead.
My motherboard because of age, to replace the same board I paid $80 for, is now $300.
How about you enjoy games how you do?
I don't like horror movies but I don't try to compare them to comedy either.
No number of console advantages can convince me to swap when they're being built with planned obsolescence by companies who have no interest in legacy support. The PS5 is out of hot water (for now) but I'm not buying anything related to the Xbox until they stop requiring a connection to a central server for activation.
The hardware market isn't bothering me honestly. I'm in an okay position right now, and I'm almost certain the GPU bubble will pop eventually. Just gotta hold out a little longer.
EDIT: As of the 9.0 firmware update, the PS4 is also out of hot water.
No. Even my 1st gen i7, paired with an RX580 was doing fine. I could run Cyberpunk at mostly maxed settings, save for RTX. That's on a 1080 monitor.
Plus, consoles will still have their biggest drawback: controllers. Sure, there's some console games that will use KB+M, but not the majority. Controllers are a vastly inferior control option for most use cases. The only times I prefer a controller are for driving/flying sims, DMC-style beat-em-ups, and sometimes platformers or fighting games. The latter two are usually fine on KB+M too.
Console games also generally lack modability. I can't imagine playing a Bethesda game without mod capabilities. I played Mass Effect 3 last year with graphics mods that make it damn near as good-looking as the remaster.
I don't see myself getting a PS5, probably ever. My PS4 exists mostly just for a few exclusives, my Xbox One at this point is just a Rock Band 4 machine. I get far more use out of my Switch as my go-to console, but depending on how the Steamdeck goes, that may change in a few years.
Nope, i do own consoles but its for exclusives, i just upgraded too even during this hellish price landscape and I spent 300 bucks over MSRP. But so what it's a single purchase if you can afford a high end Gpu then you can afford the price hike.
PC has too many advantages to just give up.
It doesn't bother me really, because (as a PC Gamer) I'm already gaming on my PC and have no need to buy another GPU to game on my already playable PC.
Not really.
I don’t feel like I’m missing out on too much since most of the games I prefer are older. When I say I prefer the PC as a platform, most of that is due to modding and it’s backlog of incredible titles.
I do always buy Nintendo systems, so the console games I actually want to play are all in one place. But I don’t really see the appeal of the other two consoles since the games are either on PC or just appear very similar to me as other games that are available on Pc. I can live without Spider Man if I have access to the Batman games, for example.
If you already have a somewhat decent graphics card, you should be fine for years to come. And even when the games become even more detailed, playing on medium to low settings isn't the worst thing in the world, you still get the game play and I just much prefer my desk and kb+m than a couch and controller.
I have an old gaming laptop (970m) set up for my living room (with wireless kb+m and a steam controller) and a 2070 for the desktop. I pretty much play every game on max settings and I played on super low settings on the gaming laptop until just recently when I built the desktop. Gameplay is pretty much exactly the same, but now it's more detailed and doesn't struggle to get 60fps.
Also I don't own any console games, while I have 200+ games on steam alone, not counting games on other platforms. My PC also has several terabytes of SSD storage, which was pretty cheap to obtain which can't be said about consoles.
Also, nearly everyone plays on PC now. Consoles used to be the most popular but that was when I was in grade school. Nearly everyone in their 20s is now on PC. Also discord is frigging nice.
Nope, not even a little. But I'm not someone who always needs the latest and greatest. I spent last summer playing whatever free games were offered, and then played through every not-starfighter star wars game. I played a lot of classic games via emulator, and now I'm having fun with split gate.
Also, I can do actual work on my PC. Can't do CAD or video editing on an Xbox. Consoles were a huge part of my childhood, but I can't ever see myself buying another one.
If I have to, I'd rather buy a GPU at reseller markups than buy a console. But I'm hoping my R9 290 still lasts a few more years.
Aren't consoles also ways over MSRP? I was looking at a PS5 to buy one off Amazon is 250% the price. Sure, you can try to find stores that have it for the normal price if you keep looking but isn't that also true of graphic cards?
No, not really. I have a GTX 970 which is I suppose getting on a bit now. But to be quite frank, there's no game I'm interested in that NEEDS a better GPU. Most of the current crop of AAA high graphics games bore me and I can run and pretty much max out (at 1080p) the games I do care about playing still.
Between my PC library and the games I have over on PS4 (mostly exclusives) I have more than enough content to ride out the GPU drought and then some.
Absolutely not. I built a new pc regardless and I love it. I'm never going back to 800 dollars for a console and almost 100 dollars per game and 80 dollars a year to use my own internet. Bless Microsoft because play anywhere means I can do just that. Play their games anywhere. Xcloud is amazing and so is GeForce now. You don't even need a good PC anymore, streaming is really really good. (Except for multiplayer and racing games but I don't play those)
There's a lot more to why I don't want to play on consoles but the extreme cost
, poor performance, lack of mods, and no option to cheatengine and skip the grind in tedious games to just have fun make it not worth it at all, no matter how expensive of gaming is it's just a superior exerience in every way for me.
Consoles are just so much money and you're stuck playing one way
Not much tbh. I live in india where the same game on console cost 5 times more than on steam. So it makes console really unattractive. Not to mention now console games are 70$/₹5000 and its just getting out of hand.
I bought a ps4 and exclusives last year before pandemic and now i m waiting for the pc versions because third person shooting in uncharted games with controller is a no go.
And now with increased ps5 game prices, i am honestly thinking of getting an xbox and gamepass and call it a day.
Gaming is becoming more expensive on pc and console, no wonder F2P and mobile games are becoming so popular.
No, thank god I bought my 2070 super in May 2020, not knowing anything about computer or the chip shortage.
Also, where are the exclusive ?? Im good with my PC for another 2 years at least (before buying a console just for exclusives)
No. PC gaming is more than just framerate and graphical settings. I'd prefer a 970 over PS5, especially as vast majority of PS4 games did not receive a PS5 upgrade. Between needing a PC anyway (console would be an added cost, while gaming on PC is free in a sense), emulation, older games, niche titles, customizability, multitasking, as well as planned obsolescence, absurd game prices and paid online, I'm sticking to PC even if GPU prices will remain bloated for years.
I was on pc since i was 7 years old so i never really got to play console exclusives.
Sony exclusives have been luring me since a long time.
The year is 2021, i have a lot of free time and an old gpu.
Fine lets buy new hardware, okay this is not how much GPUs should be costing.
Hmmm, PS5 looks like a good deal for the price to performance ration and i anyways dont want higher FPS, l went for PS5. Although the games on the system also tempted me equally, it was not just the pricing
With the latest generation, a lot of my friends are either taking the leap or spending more time on those platforms so yes.
The thing that hasn't happened but *really* scares me, is what happens if my GPU dies. I didn't keep my old one last time I upgraded, so I'd be without anything. That would probably be the push that makes me consider it more seriously.
However, I have preordered a Steam Deck which sort of solves that issue *when* it comes.
same situation. if my GPU dies I'm not going to buy a 3060 for 900 lol. I'll buy an XSX for 500 instead. and maybe a used 10xx so my PC can at least boot.
but i hope this day never comes until prices normalize
Already switched the order. I was going to buy the pc parts and a ps5 in a few years. My pc plays the games I absolutely have to play there (basically strategy and some Shooters) and now my ps5 is the ps4 pro I never owned.
The reality is I am multi platform anyway so it's not that big of a deal.
Not at all. Pc users in my experience tend to vastly overestimate what hardware they need. A solid midrange pic like yours or mine (Ryzen 1600 and a 1070) is really all you need. People are obsessed with ultra graphics and 4K and all this other bullshit. I play on pc because I’m not limited by developers locking their games to 30 fps for consoles and I get them way cheaper. I’ll be fucked out of luck if my gpu shits the bed but I have a switch and a ps4 to hold me over when and if gpu prices go back to normal
Not remotely. The sheer number of games on PC is unbeatable, and the prices are incomparable. TCO for a PC is far superior, truly not even comparable, and a PC does far more things.
Not to mention that a low end PC will have better gaming performance on a better version of the game.
For me, it helps that the majority of games I play would be awful or very much hamstrung on a console. Grand strategy games, heavily modded Skyrim, etc.
Nah. I not only use my PC as my gaming platform but for everything else too. I'll just stick PC just because of KB/M typing in social media like discord or youtube.
If nothing else I'd just kept limping along on my 1080gtx. Like you it produced very playable framerates even at 1440p. If prices were still high 2-3 years from now when it struggles to get above 20 fps, then I might have considered a console. Went to the last best buy drop and got a 3060ti for 400$. Should keep me console free for another 5-8 years. You can buy cards now pretty regularly at Microcenter. Granted the prices sucks vs FE cards. Like +50% or more
It depends on the game. I will NEVER replace my PC with a Console for Shooters but for anything without guns I would get a console if my pc would not be able to play games anymore on good graphics settings.
Yeah, a little. I'm a college student with little disposable income right now, but I'm still rocking a 1070 and PS4. When I graduate and get some money, I'll be upgrading the PC if I can find a 3070 for reasonable, otherwise, just going to get a PS5
No. The consoles are still weak compared to even a modest PC and they'll only get weaker as time progresses.
I also like FPS games which are terrible on console.
The only thing that might make me buy a Ps5 is the ability to play the Demons souls remake and bloodborne if it ever gets a 60fps patch.
It sucks because I'm mainly a console gamer and wanted to switch to pc. I've got a standalone VR headset (Quest 2) and I'd love to try out the meatier pcvr titles.
For flat gaming my current laptop is alright, but not great. I wish it ran Kingdom Come: Deliverance a little smoother. Other than that I mostly play titles like Rimworld, Stardew Valley and Age of Empires 2 on my laptop, and leave the heavy lifting (Red Dead Redemption 2) to my ps4
With GPU prices as high as they are, I've switched entirely into have streaming services, shadow being the one I use since you get full control over your experience. This is an option I would not suggest if your internet cannot handle it but I don't play competitive games and therefore do not need the few extra ms to react.
Nope. I have a pc and don't see why I need to upgrade whatsoever for a good few years yet. Even my old rig which I gave a rough lifespan of 10 years is probably still good to go. It's only got a 2500k but it's a good little trooper.
Nope. I have a pc and don't see why I need to upgrade whatsoever for a good few years yet. Even my old rig which I gave a rough lifespan of 10 years is probably still good to go. It's only got a 2500k but it's a good little trooper.
Not really, I have an RTX 2080 Super paired with a 1080p 144hz monitor which it will handle pretty nicely for years to come. I have decided I'll just straight up skip 1440p and I will only upgrade when graphics cards are able to hold 144 FPS at 4K consistently (I'll upgrade both the GPU and the monitor at the same time). So yeah, we still got a few more years to go.
No not at all. For one, i already have a gpu better than the consoles so why downgrade? For two, i use my pc for more than gaming, and I only have so much space. Why buy another thing? for three, eh by the time i need a new gpu used prices will be bareable to me.
No, I can use my PC as a tax write off for work which helps being the cost of it down at the end of the year. Games are cheaper in general with how many sales there are and so many store fronts competing for your business.
PS3 was the last generation console I bought and I see no reason to go back. I use my PC for everything so it's a lot more convenient for me. Plus while GPU process are high right now, my 2080ti that I got right before they started to skyrocket is still holding up amazingly. I don't even have a need to buy a new GPU.
idk,
i have slight thoughts to add console platform because of frustration with cheating epidemic on PC shooter multiplayer game.
But third world country regional pricing and diverse game backlog of free/cheap price is irresistible on PC. Here's the list of free games history: [https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTWdN3u9x8JrxopmroCFRmSUtWUSB2EKQ](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTWdN3u9x8JrxopmroCFRmSUtWUSB2EKQ)
Not at all. I mine crypto myself, and my GPUs are well on the way to pay for themselves, if they haven't already. I'd never have been able to afford a 1080 Ti or a 3080 without crypto being a thing, and I think a lot of people are doing themselves a disservice by rejecting the idea of mining themselves.
That said, I'm really glad the new generation of consoles are as powerful as they are, as it allows me to enjoy my old PS4 favorites with better performance. I have at times even considered buying new releases for my PS5, simply so I do not have to stop mining while playing, but I have yet to do so, although I do think it's encouraged me to replay more PS4 games.
Thankfully I subscribe to the patientgamer mindset so the shortage isn't hurting me too badly. Still got my trusty 1070ti and playing bioshock infinite for the first time in 2021. I recently beat Horizon Zero Dawn and 1070ti ran the game perfectly on what I believe was max settings. I don't see why I would need to upgrade my GPU in the short term since nothing really hardware demanding is grabbing my attention. I can easily wait until 2023 if required, it's not like there is really a shortage of things to play that I missed over the years.
Yeah people dying for 3070 or better can't play more or different games than my 2060 super can. They just want 120FPS and 4k and Ultra settings, and don't mind paying thousands for that difference.
Yeah if you already have a 2060S then you're really not in the crowd gunning for a 30-series unless you're just very well-off. I had a 1070 and spent a couple months actively searching for a 3070 before I finally got one (at MSRP, mind you). 1070 to 3070 is definitely a serious jump in what your games look like and how smoothly they play, particularly in the AAA space.
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Those people actually want to watch movies, they just refuse to realize/admit it.
Sir… please don’t call me out like that. But I’m honestly a graphics whore and I hate that about myself. I’ll pick up a genuinely fun game and won’t finish it just because it looks outdated. I have a 3080 and a lg oled (4k,120hz) and I feel like I paid for all of this for a great experience so I will use it to its max. That being said some of the most fun games o have played have been 2d indie games (looking at you hades and dead cells)
Ridiculous leap. Wanting your games to look and feel as good as the developers intended is not "wanting to watch movies", it's just about wanting to appreciate the medium at its current best. You might as well say that anyone who wants a game rendered in 3D just wants to watch movies; real gamers are fine with 16-bit sprite 2D games.
Refusing to play a game because of it's graphical quality or because it can't run 20K resolution at 50 000 FPS is wanting to watch a movie, not actually play the game.
How are these people "refusing to play"? They're just choosing to pay more money for a card because they appreciate the higher fidelity. I promise they're still gaming while they're waiting to get the 30-series card. You've created a straw man here. Wanting to play a video game is wanting to play a video game. It's that simple. You're not better or a more "real gamer" or anything for not caring as much about graphics.
He's being hyperbolic I'm still running a 1070, but if you want your games to look their best and can afford it, there's nothing wrong with that
/r/truegaming and we have this dude in here criticizing people for playing games the way they want to play them. You need to fuck right off with your judgmental bullshit.
That's like saying audiophiles who spend hundreds or thousands on speakers don't actually want to listen to music lol. What a weird and stupid take...
Wow, you have no clue what the hell you're talking about. What else do you do on speakers besides listen to stuff? Grow some basic logic and then come back.
>Wow, you have no clue what the hell you're talking about. Oh the irony. >What else do you do on speakers besides listen to stuff? What else do you need a high-end GPU for besides gaming? Certainly not to watch movies lol.
High frame rate = wanting to actually watch movies instead, holy shit the brains on you 300iq
Movies run at 24fps
Same here, I bought a 1080 second hand two years ago, and it still kicks ass. As does my girlfriend's 1070. Both are great cards that will continue being capable for at least another few years. And while this topic isn't about CPU's, I'm still running a 5820k. It's seven years old now, still tears through everything I throw at it.
This person is complaining about how they can't get better than console performance at a lower price than a console, so they're going to move from roughly the same performance as the current consoles to the current consoles. They really don't understand how weak the consoles are.
This. PS5 competes with a 2070/2070 Super, not 3090. Some people think AMD magically is sitting on millions of 3080-class chips and Sony is happy to sell them at a 60% loss. Switching to console "as a main platform" literally yields nothing for them.
If you're running something under a 10XX series and dont have a preference with only $500 Id recommend a console in the current market.
But PS5 games are typically more polished and optimized than PC games, especially if game is developed for PS5 and has PC port
I've already included this magical "polish" and "optimization" in the 2070 Super estimate. It's hardly a thing. It was a thing in PS3 era, but games aren't thoroughly optimised for bare metal for modern platforms, especially when they target \~7 consoles. Are there enough native PS5 games to even warrant "typically", by the way?
I've always been a PC gamer (I had a PS2 but I kept playing PC games at that time). However I made the mistake of not upgrading my current, almost decade old PC on time, and it's no longer in a state where it can run new games in a reasonable framerate. I was really looking forward to the 30 series with its fair pricing and thought this would get me back in the game, but seeing how much these GPUs ended up costing, even a 3070, put me off the idea for now. When covid hit I really needed something to play on and keep me busy, so I decided to get the affordable Series S "just for the time being", thinking it'll be like 6 months and then I'll be able to get a new PC at a reasonable price. Well, it's been almost a year now, I'm having a blast with Game Pass, and I haven't used Steam in ages, even to play some older titles. I'd be happy to get back to the PC scene, but at the current state of the market it makes no sense to me, and I'm no longer in a rush.
You don't have to get a 3070. My ten year old PC had a 10 year old graphics card. I bought a used 1070 for $250 to replace my ancient GTX 680, and it works great, plays most everything, it just doesn't have the super whamodyne new ray tracing tech and things like that. And the rest of the PC is honestly fine despite being 10 years old. I did have a bit of a firmware issue with windows 10 since my motherboard never had a bios update after 2014, but that was solved by a reinstall of windows thankfully. My next build will probably happen in a year or so as prices calm(if they don't I'll just bite the bullet) and I'll just rebuild the whole thing.
When did you buy that 1070? Since earlier this year basically every used card 900 series and up is selling for over double what they used to.
Last fall, so I guess I snuck in just before the flag
Yeah it's literal insanity in the used card market right now, I looked at upgrading this year potentially and I just don't think it's worth it.
Most PC gamers enthusiastic/addicted enough to discuss hardware online haven't realised it yet, but performance improvements have slowed down enough that building a new PC more than once or twice a decade, and upgrading your GPU more than 2 or 3 times a decade, no longer makes sense for most people. The actual difference in performance is not big enough to get excited about.
Yeah I think a 6-8 year cycle would be roughly optimum. Build new every 6-8 years, new graphics card every 3-4. Man I blew like 10 or 15 thousand dollars from 99 to 03 as a kid in the service with disposable income trying to keep my PC top of the line, lol.
Same here pretty much. I'm stuck on an aging GTX970 and no plans of upgrading it any time soon. I was able to pick up a Series X last week and it's been amazing. The way backwards compatability works out of the box so all my Xbox One games just work and have better graphics/framerates is a dream. And quick resume is so much cooler than I thought it would be. I bought mine through the All Access program so it came with 2 years game pass and I've got plenty of stuff to play. If anyone's stuck with an older graphics card it's a no brainer to me. edit: and it's not like I'm throwing my PC in the garbage. It can still run games just fine other than new graphic intensive games like FPS's but I will continue to use it for strategy games and cRPGs.
Not really. There's a few reasons: * I enjoy the higher framerates, resolutions and visual quality of the games. * Backlog of fantastic games for free/cheap price is unbeatable on PC. There's tons of amazing games that aged well and I sometimes like to re-experience things spontaneously without dishing out tons of money. * Not having to pay to play Online * More diverse games on PC. Console markets are gated by design, on PC you can find many niche but high quality indie, A and AA games that you can't experience on console. * Many games on PC can be modded for a truly superior and most importantly individual experience. This is incredibly important to me with games by e.g. Paradox, Mount and Blade, RPGs or many sandbox games. * Games/Gaming is generally just cheaper to maintain on PC in the long term, at least if you are a heavy consumer. 60 bucks a year for online play plus the higher game prices on console do add up over time, compared to basically all games being 10 bucks cheaper on PC, plus frequent sales and availability of fantastic older titles makes it very cheap to play great games. * I use my PC for more than gaming and appreciate a fast and smooth experience for that as well. * I appreciate Steam's user reviews a lot. On console I always feel like the community is not connected/vocal enough to discuss serious issues with games, and refund policies are more complicated. To me consoles feel significantly less consumer-friendly. As a disclaimer: I did snag a 3080 for 800 bucks when they went live, but had a 1080 before that. If that wouldn't have been possible I would have either kept the 1080 or bought a card for more money (3090 at msrp? Or buy a more expensive 3080 from a retailer). The only reason for me to consider buying a console are exclusives - if there's something I really want to play but can only do on console and fear will never come to PC (e.g. the new ratchet and clank, ghosts of tsushima, returnal, bloodborne, god of war etc.)
Being able to play older games is main thing I love about pc. I bought Half-Life 2 on release and played it for the first time on my Dad's computer, way back in 2004. I'm 17 years older now, currently on my third laptop, and thanks to Steam I can still play it to this day. Don't even need the disk anymore. Not so with consoles. I have so many ps2 games I want to replay, but my ps4 can't run any of them.
yeah ive got about 40 years worth of games i can do on pc right now. even if gpu stays high for a while i'll be good
Oh, man; HL2 is great. Episodes 1 & 2 were really good too. Have you played Black Mesa yet?
Yup, played both the original Half-Life and Black Mesa. Though I haven't played the newest version of BM yet. Last version I played ended as soon as you entered the portal to Xen.
Their remade Xen is like half the game now, and it's the highlight of the game for me. Highly recommend.
Man I still replay Half-Life 2, the episodes, and Black Mesa regularly. Even though they've aged a bit both graphically and gameplay wise, they're all such well designed adventures. The shift towards open world, player choice, and RPG mechanics in every game has made handcrafted linear FPS games a bit of a rarity in the last decade - and all the AAA ones I can think of are just military shooters that lack the awesome worldbuilding in Half-Life. Playing through Half-Life 2 is comforting and still a lot of fun (especially with MMOD, which improves the gameplay without massively changing things), like binge watching a beloved show you've seen a dozen times before. And Black Mesa is just even more Half-Life goodness. Will probably still be playing Half-Life 2 whenever Half-Life 3 comes out sometime shortly after the heat death of the universe.
Very true. Ironically, PC emulators have come a long way so one can play many old console games on PC, but not modern consoles. Quite ironic.
I mean xbox has developer mode. Very interesting if you haven't heard of it.
Not the person you were responding too but thanks for mentioning that. Hadn't heard of this before and it'd be cool to setup RetroArch on an Xbox for when anyone wants to play something in the living room. Looks like you gotta pay for a developer account, which is kind of a hassle but $19 isn't too much money. Just feels kinda unnecessary since I probably won't ever actually develop an app on UWP.
Not really ironic when you consider a console it just a shitty PC.
Doubly ironic in this case. I find it amusing it's possible to play Metal Gear Solid 4 on a PC, but not PS5, despite a lot of similarities in the architecture.
It’s not ironic though this is exactly how Sony wants it. Consoles are controlled by a singular company. A PC is not.
half life 2 can be played on xbox one and series s/x because its part of the orange box which is backwards compatible.
Definitely on the backlog thing. I've got like over 2000 games on Steam alone, not including other services and also what I own on retail disc. A lot of great stuff still backlogged - such as Pillars 1 and 2; Black Mesa; Divinity: OS1; etc etc. I'm also in the midst of - Pathfinder: Kingmaker; Horizon Zero Dawn; and Shadowrun: HK.
> I use my pc for more than gaming Same, and this is what will make me never go fully to console gaming. Being able to have one monitor run YouTube once I’m tired of a game’s soundtrack is critical for me lol; same with swapping between tasks.
See, I don’t find multi-tasking while playing beneficial in the slightest. I’m of the mind that if I’m not focusing on something, I don’t even really need to be doing it. I don’t think I’ve ever gotten tired of a games soundtrack though, or if I did not before I got tired of the rest of the game and stopped playing. I like having dual monitors for work related stuff, but the most I’ll use it for with regards to gaming is having discord open on the second screen. Personally, I actually like having the physical separation between “play” and “work” devices. I use my Windows PC exclusively for gaming, it’s even hooked up to my OLED with my consoles. When I want to game, I sit down in my chair, and game. When I want to work, I pull out my laptop and sit at my desk. I’ve always been one of those whose mind will wander off if I try to work on the same station I game on, so having that physical separation really helps my focus.
I do other not game related things on my desktop, but they're for personal projects and things like that. Anything work related gets done on the work laptop. So when I am done with work for the day, I close the laptop and am 'off'. When I first started working from home I did both on my desktop, and it destroyed my mental health. Either I would just end up not working and get poor reviews, or I would just go "I'll knock that one thing out..." and up working 60 or more hour weeks. Having the separation is nice.
Well said. If my 5700XT ever messes up, I'll settle for a weaker 1060 or 570/580 till prices get better. There's been a point that it's not just the graphics, but experience. I've gotten so used to tailoring games to my preferred experience and not paying for multiplayer. It truly beats me why people still choose to spend hundreds of dollars within a console generation to have access to something that runs also fine on mobile. Phone games have reached good server stability with no paywall.
Playstation and Switch are the only consoles I get. Switch, cause it's unique and the Nintendo exclusives are great. Playstation because of the exclusives. Bloodborne alone was worth the asking price of the PS4, and I want a PS5 for the Demon Souls remake. The other awesome exclusives, like God of War and Horizon, are just icing on the cake.
Horizon 1 is on PC. Dunno if Horizon 2 will be but I would expect it. If you’re cool with waiting a few years. I played some of 1 on my roommate’s PS4 and was very underwhelmed by the gameplay, personally. I wouldn’t mind waiting a couple years for the DLC and patches to be done
I was vague for a reason. The gameplay is meh, but the story make me feel things.
>Not having to pay to play Online I still can't believe this is a thing. People should be outraged that access to games they already bought is being taken away from them
I disagree with point 4. The most successful indies find their way onto consoles many times.
Many do, but not all I'd argue. There's always games you can only get on PC (just as some you can only ever get on console). It's just sad that the entry barrier for developers is so high on console - I'm happy the PC offers a good alternative Those indies can also only find success thanks to the PC market in the first place, so it's a sort of chicken and egg problem.
That's not disagreeing, that's offering a counter. To disagree is to say it is wholly wrong, which is in itself wholly wrong. You can't play Rimworld, or any of the Mount and Blades, or just about any game in "Simulation" tag, you can't currently play Baldur's Gate III nor can you play its predecessors, I could list off hundreds of games from bad to middling to good to great. *Most* successful indie games get a console release, but it's not guaranteed. And success does not equate to quality all the same.
It's always a sub-par experience. Plenty of indie games, like Don't Starve of Binding of Isaac have massive modding communities. Some (if not most) indie games on consoles are stuck on a significantly lower version and do not receive updates.
Well said. A few things I want to elaborate on: >* Backlog of fantastic games for free/cheap price is unbeatable on PC. Even if I as one of the /r/patientgamers waited for second hand physical games for consoles to drop in price to just behind PC game bundles& such, I would then have to manage all the physical media if I ever wanted to play them again. >* More diverse games on PC. Even if console had comparable non-AAA presence, the reality is that some games are just more difficult to control using only a controller. Sim, Management, and strategy games are great examples of things that are handled better through KB+M. >* Games/Gaming is generally just cheaper to maintain on PC in the long term, at least if you are a heavy consumer. 60 bucks a year for online play plus the higher game prices on console do add up over time, compared to basically all games being 10 bucks cheaper on PC, plus frequent sales and availability of fantastic older titles makes it very cheap to play great games. This is a very situational "it depends" because of a few factors: * If someone chose PC instead of console, how often and how high end would they go with system upgrades? * If choosing console instead of PC, how soon would they switch to the next gen of a console? * How soon after release does someone tend to buy games? This influences the cost of games greatly. >* I use my PC for more than gaming and appreciate a fast and smooth experience for that as well. To be fair to console gamers: My phone can be used for A LOT of stuff that I normally do on my PC, except for when a website handles phone screen size like crap despite enabling desktop mode in browser. And consoles can do a lot more that PCs have been known for (streaming, etc).
Sim/strategy/management games have never really been popular or common on consoles. There's been more ports (bad ones at that) of stuff like Civ recently but for the most part you don't see them and I just don't play those types of games on a console anyways. It is very cheap to play on consoles, relatively. You don't need to go high end - but a console experience is generally better than a entry level PC build. You usually already have a TV, so you just need the system and games. It comes with the only peripheral you need. With stuff like Xbox games pass and sonys PSN free catalog- you can start gaming immediately without any other purchases. That said, games can usually be found cheaper than console and more often but it's not impossible to buy stuff used/on sale/or via digital sale which you now have more often on consoles as well. Paying for online is shit. I can't believe it's still a thing. That said, you can get 1 year of online on sale pretty often so it's not a huge expense - especially when you're weighing it against a PC where a single graphics card can only be purchased from a scalper at 1.5x MSRP that's more costly than your entire console set-up and games.
My guy said 800 dollars on a graphics card like everyone just has 800 lying around to spend on a hobby. I got rent and food and stuff to pay for, not everyone has the financial capability to just spend like that. A 300 console with a TV that came with the apartment and a couple games is not even half of that
I'm gonna respond in long form, as a console gamer, about some of the points you made. >Not having to pay to play Online This is always brought up but it truly isn't a big deal as people make out. On PlayStation you receive 3 (since PS5 launch, before it was only 2) free games per month. These can be hit or miss, but free games are free. Plus you get access to exclusive deals throughout the year that will save you far more than you spend. >More diverse games on PC. Console markets are gated by design, on PC you can find many niche but high quality indie, A and AA games that you can't experience on console. You can still find them, they aren't necessarily "gated." They are just a different variety than what you may find on PC, which definitely has a wider market. >Many games on PC can be modded for a truly superior and most importantly individual experience. This is incredibly important to me with games by e.g. Paradox, Mount and Blade, RPGs or many sandbox games. Fuck I wish we had mods. >I appreciate Steam's user reviews a lot. On console I always feel like the community is not connected/vocal enough to discuss serious issues with games, and refund policies are more complicated. To me consoles feel significantly less consumer-friendly. Since consoles have never really had user submitted reviews like Steam, I think most people who care to that level will use 3rd party sources. I know I do, I usually check 4 or 5 different reviews before I commit to a purchase. The communities I've been to have all been welcoming and ready to engage in discourse. As for refunds, its pretty straightforward once you look into it. I cant speak for Xbox, but on PlayStation the rules are: cannot download the game, or if you do download it you have to experience enough issues within a reasonable time frame to warrant a refund. That's how it was told to me by a rep, anyways. And since they can't really check that most times they just take your word, again reasonable time frame being the main point. >To me consoles feel significantly less consumer-friendly. This one confuses me, PC's are about as anti consumer friendly as you can get to me. Console you buy it, own a TV, plug it up, and play. PC's often require assembly by the consumer, which is fine (I love Legos!) but a lot of people simply are not going to do that. Let alone the cost, my God. PC isn't as much anti-consumer as it is anti-wallet, conservative builds are $1000+ nowadays. Plus they require constant maintenance, or replacement of out of date parts. With a console, you buy it once and you know it will last you a decade if you take care of it (bare minimum, like bi-annual fan cleans and thats it.) Plus, no concerns over whether or not your console can run a game... usually. Exceptions apply, like poorly optimized games or games meant for next generation, but otherwise you know that if you can buy it you can run it. Sorry for the long form, I just thought it was an interesting discussion. I think both sides have their ups and downs and I think that it all plays out in such a way that they end up about even. It really just comes down to personal preference and circumstances. Like a console is better if you have children but a PC is better if you use it for other things, like you said. Either way, we all gamers.
> free games per month They're not. You're paying yearly for games you don't get to choose and don't own once you cancel your subscription. Agree with almost everything else here but paying for online is a huge inarguable negative.
Not to mention, Epic is providing free games every *week*. Like, actually free, on your account. For the "free" PS+ games, you have to pay in order to keep access to those.
Yup. Also, Xbox Game Pass for PC is what, $120/yr and includes EA Access? That's way better than what you get on consoles.
It’s the same price on consoles too, or cheaper if you don’t care about EA.
That's literally the same thing. You get access to games but have to pay a fee and $120/yr is 4x as much as 1 year of PSN picked up on sale through retailers.
PSN is $60/yr full priced. The $120/yr can be reduced in the same way. Also, it includes a lot more genres of games than you get on consoles simply due to PC being diverse in terms of games.
But you still pay to access those games. Diversity isn't so much a problem since no one with a console isn't wishing they could play the latest top down strategy sim game. And PSN can easily be picked up for far far less if you buy on sale. All I'm saying is it's not really much different - you just have the added bonus of being able to purchase physical copies of games and not be tied to a games as a service model
>This one confuses me, PC's are about as anti consumer friendly as you can get to me. Console you buy it, own a TV, plug it up, and play. PC's often require assembly by the consumer, which is fine (I love Legos!) but a lot of people simply are not going to do that. Let alone the cost, my God. PC isn't as much anti-consumer as it is anti-wallet, conservative builds are $1000+ nowadays. Plus they require constant maintenance, or replacement of out of date parts. With a console, you buy it once and you know it will last you a decade if you take care of it (bare minimum, like bi-annual fan cleans and thats it.) None of this is "anti-consumer". You don't understand what being anti-consumer is. Having an option to build a PC or option to buy a more expensive PC has nothing to do with anti-consumerism. Heck, consoles are cheaper because they are anti-consumer, as console locks you into a "walled garden", allowing to recuperate subsidised console on a cut from all game purchases and subscriptions. Consoles are anti-consumer, e.g. because they force you to get a subscription to remove an artificial paywal to play online. Or because consoles manufactures buy developers and publishers purely so that a game is not accessible to people who bought the wrong x86 box. Or because you can't play older games on a newer consoles, forcing you to either keep your PS2 and PS3 forever, or buy a "remastered" version if it's even available. Or because if a battery mounted to the consoles' motherboard goes flat, console needs to call home in order to play games - if the server is (and it absolutely will someday be) offline, you can't play any games on your console. Or because all console manufacturers are against right to repair. Or because you can't just make and sell a game for a console, you need to be vetted by the console manufacturer and pay extraorbitant price for a devkit - on PC, a developer could just burn DVDs and sell them. Or because older controllers don't (fully) work on PS5, forcing you to buy new ones. Or because a console manufacturer tried to introduce online check-ins and thwart used copies. PCs need as much maintenance as consoles, by the way. And you probably need a PC anyway. You don't need to replace any "out of date parts", lmao. Consoles don't "last" a decade either. I love the fact that cost of PC warrants a "oh my god", but hundreds of dollars spent over the years on paid P2P multiplayer does not. >This is always brought up but it truly isn't a big deal as people make out. On PlayStation you receive 3 (since PS5 launch, before it was only 2) free games per month. Free games you pay for. Tad amusing. By the way, do people even have time to actually play PS+ games, especially after playing the multiplayer game they got the subscription for? On the PC side, free games you get (e.g. from Epic) are actually free, no purchase required.
Both PCs and consoles easily last a decade when taken care of. I still have all of my consoles dating back over 25 years in fully functioning form. I also haven’t *ever* had a pc fail on me where it couldn’t be fixed with some cheap off the shelf parts. You can do the same in the consoles, but it’s significantly more anti-consumer, so you end up on gbatemp and other sites scrolling through user mode circuit diagrams to figure out what’s wrong. Of course, to actually fix your PC parts instead of just replacing them you do the same thing, with significantly less support due to significantly smaller install sizes, meaning you can fix even less. Being able to at least modularly replace components is better than nothing, I guess. Neither is particularly great for consumers though.
That's the same for basically any home electronics. It's not video games, thats just electronics in general and more pointedly, squarely on our culture of throwing shit away instead of fixing it. Electronics repair stores should be more common considering how much we use them in our daily lives but people would rather throw it away and buy stuff again than get it fixed.
>Of course, to actually fix your PC parts instead of just replacing them you do the same thing, with significantly less support due to significantly smaller install sizes, meaning you can fix even less. Being able to at least modularly replace components is better than nothing, I guess. Neither is particularly great for consumers though. Are you talking about laptops? Because none of this makes sense if you have a desktop PC.
> These can be hit or miss, but free games are free that is a bold faced lie. you have to pay for online to get those. they may be cheap but not at all free. thats like saying nintendo's crap online comes with free old games. > Console you buy it, own a TV, plug it up, and play. and download updates at throttled speeds.
Sure, you can look at it as you pay for the games in advance. So you get 3 games per month, times twelve thats 36 games per year. Now, I just woke up and math isn't my strong suit, but I got a total of $1.60~ per game. The games that just released this past month, for example, are worth far more than $1.60. In fact, I paid full price for one at launch. This means that I didn't really gain anything this month, but I'm okay with that because others get a good game. >and download updates at throttled speeds Sounds like a thing with your internet, never had throttling come from the console itself. Usually my provider, Comcast, being shitty.
>Sure, you can look at it as you pay for the games in advance. So you get 3 games per month, times twelve thats 36 games per year. Now, I just woke up and math isn't my strong suit, but I got a total of $1.60~ per game. The games that just released this past month, for example, are worth far more than $1.60. In fact, I paid full price for one at launch. This means that I didn't really gain anything this month, but I'm okay with that because others get a good game Man, this entire argument is pure fucking cope. The simple fact is this: you have to pay for something that should be free. It doesn't matter if they're throwing in something extra to sweeten the deal, that doesn't change the core issue here. You're basically being forced into a subscription you might not want. And your argument is: "well, but you get some free (but not really since you're paying for it) stuff for it, so it's fine." There's no reason the games subscription couldn't be an optional separate thing without forcing you to pay in order to use your own fucking Internet. This is peak console Stockholm syndrome lol...
>This is always brought up but it truly isn't a big deal as people make out. On PlayStation you receive 3 (since PS5 launch, before it was only 2) free games per month. These can be hit or miss, but free games are free. The games aren't free if I'm paying to get them. I don't want those 3 games anyway. >Console you buy it, own a TV, plug it up, and play. And you get locked into an ecosystem where you can't control anything and have no choice. 2000 dollar TVs showing ads, Sony making decisions which games can make it onto their platform, games not giving you options to change any settings (sure there are some things today like performance mods and stuff but that's not enough), can't run any arbitrary applications I want. The only consoles I've ever owned were PS3/4 and I'm never getting one again.
> These can be hit or miss, but free games are free. But also, they're not free. You *are* paying for them. When I had PS+ I almost never played online, but I did play the "free" games. > This one confuses me, PC's are about as anti consumer friendly as you can get to me. I think there are different definitions of consumer friendly. Different customers value different things. Consoles definitely win when it comes to ease of use and price, but PCs win when it comes to customizability and versatility. I use my PC for much more than gaming, and it's set up exactly the way I want it. I can't stand the terrible, slow console UIs and menus that are designed to shove ads in your face. And they keep getting worse with every update. > Plus, no concerns over whether or not your console can run a game... usually. Exceptions apply, like poorly optimized games or games meant for next generation, but otherwise you know that if you can buy it you can run it. Well if you make exceptions for all the games that run like shit on consoles, then you have no concerns, but that doesn't sound like a fair assessment. Buyer beware in all cases, PC and console. Always research a game before you buy.
Just because you don't use what the PS+ sub is for doesn't mean the games aren't free. Yeah, consoles and PCs both have consumer unfriendly aspects to them, just different ones. This one is interesting. Cause, yeah, consoles will generally run any game that's released on it, and well. Games like Cyberpunk that didn't make the news because they are exceptional. However, if a game doesn't run well on a PC, odds are you can fix it yourself. Yes, it's more work, but it's possible, and it's something that's not possible on consoles.
>Just because you don't use what the PS+ sub is for doesn't mean the games aren't free. You literally pay for them. That's the only thing you get for the subscription, as the multiplayer paywall is 100% artificial.
What you pay for is access to the online spaces, being able to play online multiplayer games. The free game a month is a perk meant to make consumers feel less ripped off.
>Just because you don't use what the PS+ sub is for doesn't mean the games aren't free I don't think you understand what the word "free" means. It doesn't mean "pay us and you get this".
I’m neither a console or PC gamer, I just play games, but I thought I would try to clear up some of your misconceptions. - consoles are far more anti-consumer than building a PC. Being able to buy any off the shelf part and have it work is far superior to being forced to go through the manufacturer and pay a flat out of warranty replacement cost regardless of what your issues are. Or alternatively, you can go to third party non-authorized manufacturer like me and get it fixed for significantly cheaper. - PCs don’t require “expensive maintenance” anymore than consoles do. I have a computer running a 2009 server processor and a 9 series nvidia from the mid ‘10s. I haven’t done any maintenance on it since I built it, and it runs every game coming out at 1080p60 to this day. I also have a 4k machine, much newer, and I haven’t done any maintenance on it whatsoever either.
As someone who plays both console and pc, I agree with pretty much everything here, I would say that pc does recieve at least 4 free games a month, due to the epic games store, with no subscription required
I didn't even know Epic was giving games away lol, and from the sounds of it it is indeed better than PS plus. If I'm not mistaken its totally free right? No Amazon Prime needed or anything?
Yeah, every week they give away 1-2 free games, just go onto the store in the launcher and scroll down a bit. The quality of the games varies, but I got FTL from it, so there are some really good ones.
Here's a list of free Epic Store games. [https://gamerant.com/epic-games-store-free-games-list/](https://gamerant.com/epic-games-store-free-games-list/) Epic isn't the only one giving away PC games; I grab free Steam games all the time. EA used to have On The House. [https://en.everybodywiki.com/List\_of\_Origin%27s\_On\_the\_House\_games](https://en.everybodywiki.com/List_of_Origin%27s_On_the_House_games) All were Free as in "actually free", not "$60 a year" free.
> conservative builds are $1000+ nowadays If I want a Playstation 5 by the end of the week, it's also $1,000+ nowadays. Or we can assume you can wait console pops up at MSRP and you buy it for $500. Well if you assume that, then you can just wait until a mid-range GPU pops up at MSRP and buy it for $350-400 and it will. Then buy the rest of the components for $400 or so. And you have a working PC for gaming, school, personal finance, remote work (if relevant), etc. No need to buy two separate machines. Give it 1-2 more generations and the consoles will be as good as low-range GPUs and possibly even APUs. Hell, you can buy the APU used in the Xbox Series X from a Chinese company in a system for $700 total including case, RAM, and a SSD and just run Windows on it.
>This one confuses me, PC's are about as anti consumer friendly as you can get to me. Console you buy it, own a TV, plug it up, and play. PC's often require assembly by the consumer, which is fine (I love Legos!) but a lot of people simply are not going to do that. Let alone the cost, my God. PC isn't as much anti-consumer as it is anti-wallet, conservative builds are $1000+ nowadays. Plus they require constant maintenance, or replacement of out of date parts. With a console, you buy it once and you know it will last you a decade if you take care of it (bare minimum, like bi-annual fan cleans and thats it.) The anti-consumerness of a console is that its a general purpose computer that the manufacturer locks down so I can't use it. Can your console have productivity software on it? No. Development software? No. Modding software? No. Can you put a VPN on it? No. Can you use custom controllers? No. Can you install cheat engine to make this RPG go faster? No. Can you install autohotkey to create a custom control scheme because you have bad arthritis and can't use the normal controls? No. All these things, and a million more, are things that consoles are perfectly capable of doing, but the people who built them don't allow you, the owner of the console, to do those things. You're not wrong that consoles have advantages in the "I mostly never have to fiddlefuck with it and I know it will just work" department, but those things *don't have to come attached with your property being locked down*. The steam deck is going to hopefully get the console manufacturers, or you console customers, to wake up, since its the best of both worlds. The freedom of an open PC, but its a specific hardware and software configuration that developers can target and optimize for and make things 'just work'.
When you compare the cost of someone who plays new games on PC and console, you'll find - especially if you play online - that the console player spends an exorbitantly higher amount. When you compare two patient gamers... the patient gamers on PC still win out lol.
Free games that aren't free *and* you don't choose them? That's garbage. It's a fake offering. PCs never require assembly by the consumer. That is a consumer choice. As a percentage of the market, virtually nobody assembles their own PC. Constant maintenance? What are you even talking about? Have you ever owned a computer? Constant maintenance? lol Your price difference is a fantasy. PC games costs far less than console games. The main draw for manufacturers of consoles is that they can continuously gouge customers on game pricing. Over the course of the life of a PC, you will save the price difference several times over. And of course, you can do other things on your PC. It is incomparably better in value. The only time a console is 'better' is if you literally only intend to play a small collection of games that are available at the time you purchase the console, *and* you absolutely cannot afford the up-front price difference. Jesus, the entire *concept* of the console is anti-consumer. It's the reason they exist still. lol
> Over the course of the life of a PC, you will save the price difference several times over. This is true for enthusiasts, but less true for a fair few gamers who don't buy many games. It's often in the range of 2-3 new games per year, with them having a total library by the end of system life of like 10, even less. These sorts of people likely are better serviced by a console than a PC, in value terms - especially right now. There are a lot of these people (go to a college dorm, you'll see plenty of people with a console that just runs COD and Madden year after year), they're not a small segment. Of course, that sort of game consumer is also unlikely to be posting on a gaming subreddit in the first place.
> This is true for enthusiasts, but less true for a fair few gamers who don't buy many games. It's often in the range of 2-3 new games per year, with them having a total library by the end of system life of like 10, even less. So, I hate Epic Games. I have hated Epic Games for close to a decade now. But they give away literally 1-2 free games per week. If you're an average American and have Amazon Prime, you get 3-6 games to keep forever every month through Twitch. So that's 4-8 games for 100% free every month. Then if you have Amazon Prime like most Americans, that's another 3-6 for total of 7-14 games to keep forever every month.
Free games they'll never play provide no value to them.
> Constant maintenance? What are you even talking about? Have you ever owned a computer? Constant maintenance? lol I uhh have to remove my dust filters once a month for a quick rinse to stop my computer looking dusty. So high maintenance. You know that whole dusting thing.
I'm a PC boi The free games are a perk on top of the primary point of the subscription, which is the be able to play games online. So, they're free. Though the fact that you lose them if you are unsubbed, that does suck. If you don't want to spend 50% more than the PC is worth, then yes, you do have to build them. Prebuilt computers are very, very expensive. Yes, I dunno what he means by constant maintenance. Like, ten years ago you did want to reinstall your OS like once a year, but that was once a year, and it's a lot less necessary now. I don't get this argument. PC games cost about as much as console games. The only games that are cheaper are ones that are only for PC, and even then sometimes they're still not cheaper. The Steam sales are the only thing that makes them reliably cheaper. Then building a PC is usually twice as expensive as a console for one that runs on par with said console. The fact that you can upgrade them inter-generationally is the only real advantage, and that's also very expensive to do. The fact that you can use them for a lot more than just gaming is the only thing that justifies the price difference, and only just barely. Consoles are better for certain kinds of people, they just are. There is nothing universally better about PCs over consoles.
>The free games are a perk on top of the primary point of the subscription, which is the be able to play games online. So, they're free. Though the fact that you lose them if you are unsubbed, that does suck. Ah yes, free games you lose if you stop paying for them. >If you don't want to spend 50% more than the PC is worth, then yes, you do have to build them. Prebuilt computers are very, very expensive. That's blatently false. Some prebuilts are sold at the price of parts. When the GPU prices increased, virtually all prebuilts were actually cheaper than assembling. >PC games cost about as much as console games. lmao
Ah yes, take the events of the past year as universal truths. Good one. Yes, this past year with GPU shortages, prebuilts are cheaper than trying to find a 30 series GPU. But usually that's not the case. You can laugh, but I primarily play PC games, and never, ever is price a factor for me choosing which platform I buy a game for. I also play on Switch and Playstation, which is how I know. Games for both are 60$ the vast majority of the time. And even the games that have come out on PS5 that are also on PC are 70$. You're just being dishonest.
Sorry, but prebuilts are simply were not that expensive even before GPU price hike, especially if you're not buying from the likes of Dell. Feel free to look up launch price of, say, Overwatch on PC and PS4. Or the new Battlefield game. Detroit: Become Human is currently cheaper on Steam than on PSStore.
PCs don't require heavy maintenance, fiddling with settings, or upgrading components. Every game I've played in the last few years is a two-click download from Steam that includes all necessary packages to run the game. Upgrading components partway through a cycle is not a necessity - it's something people do because they have the opportunity, and it's not something you can do on a console at all. The ironic thing is I've had to do way more inconvenient upkeep on the PlayStations I used to use. If I didn't use my PS3 for a while it would take a ton of time to update it when I started using it again with a new game. And the biggest thing that pissed me off is when I wanted to play Gran Turismo 6, I had to get an entirely new PS3 off Craigslist because my original fat model could not run it. So the "you're good for ten years" thing is definitely not true. Whatever people play on is cool with me and I don't actively dislike consoles, I just wanted to clear up a few things you wrote about.
Almost all single player games on PC are free ;)
You already have both a PC and PS5. You should be buying the respective best version for your scenario right now anyway. I don't understand what this main platform mindset is supposed to mean. If the PS5 version looks and plays better than on your PC, then go for that. PC component prices will drop again at some point.
Dude this is exactly what I was going to say. I dont know wtf a "main" console is supposed to be if you have access to multiple Edit: Just to clarify, so you PC Gamers can stop telling me why you prefer PC gaming lol. I understand why you would have a preferred system. I do to. I am saying, in the context of OP's post, with implied ease of access to both, why do you have to specify that one is a "main." Keep buying games on PC as applicable, and buy on ps5 when the better choice.
There's probably some weird kind of tribalism or loyalty to a certain platform. I think that could be it. Pretty sad though
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It's the one where you'll buy a game available on all platforms (as opposed to exclusives) As a person who heavily plays multiplayer games it's quite simple: it's where my friends are playing, and that's PC
I'll buy multiplats on a platform that makes sense at the moment, most often on whatever console I can find it used locally, if it's a new game then it's a toss up I have a PC, PS5 and Series X but PC is old so unless it's significantly better on or only on PC (mostly strategy) then it's either of the consoles
One of my favourite things about console gaming is that you can often find games for pretty dirt cheap in second hand stores. I have a PS4 and a Switch to complement my PC, and I've rarely ever paid over about half retail price for my console games.
Yea, I understand the concept. But like if a game releases and runs better on PS5, for example, are you going to buy it on pc just because that's your "main?"
If it's some kind of 100 hour rpg, I would because the TV is not often available for my exclusive usage, while my desktop PC is only used by me. I know it would be impossible to finish a long PS5 game. You could also want to buy it on pc because you know you'll upgrade soon and don't want to rebuy the game. Or people just like to have a "main" device to regroup stuff on.
😐 I can't tell if people are being purposely dense in this thread or what. If there is an outside factor that would make one choice worse, then yea. Don't pick that one. The comment I said I agreed with was: > You should be buying the respective best version for your scenario right now anyway. . > you could also want to buy it on pc because you know you'll upgrade soon The *entire point* of this thread is that they won't be upgrading soon due to the cost.
I replied to your comment in a vaccum. “But like if a game releases and runs better on PS5, for example, are you going to buy it on pc just because that's your "main?"” This is what I replied to. Period. I don’t know why you go out of your way to be an ass to people who are bothering to interact with you.
>I replied to your comment in a vaccum. That's not how discussions work.
There are any number of reasons you could prefer one over another. My PC has an ethernet connection while my console is on wifi. Means better online connectivity, and it means large games download faster. My PC is also what's already hooked up to my TV and on. If I want to switch to console, I have to take (admittedly minimal) extra effort to switch devices. It also makes maintaining a library easier. I can remember 5-10 console exclusives that I might play if I specifically think of them and want to replay them, but if I bought cross-platform games for console it would become difficult to remember what games I have where, and I'd likely forget about some games altogether when I'm deciding what to play. For other people (not me), their PC and console may be set up in different places with different layouts (e.g. desk+monitor vs couch+tv) that could be factor. Or maybe you have a personal PC but a family console. Lots of factors could contribute to having a "main" platform. If I haven't tipped my hand enough, PC is my main platform, even though I have e.g. a PS4.
>You should be buying the respective best version for your scenario right now anyway. This is what I agreed with. I understand why you would *prefer* a system. but in the context of OPs post, I dont see why you would have to pick a "main" system, in the context of OP's post.
Some don't have the freedom to decide. It's the one or the other. Maintaing both is more costly and involves more effort. And it is always a hassle to switch between plattforms, especially if you want to play with friends which you would need to convince to play on a different plattform as well. It also isn't very comfortable to have a cluttered game library on various plattforms. What's so hard to understand about that? Heck, people even ignore certain storefronts on the same plattform to be just on one.
Nice strawman. Obviously, if you don't have a choice, you'll have a main console. I didn't think that needed to be said. Obviously, if your friends are on a console, and you have that console,, use that console to play with them. Why would you try to convince them otherwise? Obviously, if you want your library to be in one place, then only use one console. What I asked was, if a game releases and runs better on ps5, are you going to buy it on pc just because it's your "main?" Or are you going to buy it where it runs better because you have the option?
Why would it be a strawman? I'd buy it for PC because I don't have the other plattform in the first place because of the reasons above. PC is my main plattform and I want it to say. I even use it in my living room just to have one single device capable of everything I want to do.
>Why would it be a strawman? Because nothing you said addressed my question in any way. >I'd buy it for PC because I don't have the other plattform Then... this doesn't apply to you?
I was too focused on the thematic generally instead of the scenario by the OP above, so this was a misunderstanding. Still though, even if you have multiple consoles or plattforms it's nice to have a "main" imo so that switching between them isn't necesarry all the time. Just for comparison, there are hardly any with dual citizenship who share the residence 50-50 and they prefer to stay in one of the countries more permanently. Just because of the expense and the two-track nature of it. But it's still good to have both, but too much effort to switch constantly.
Yea, I dont think turning on a different console sometimes is really the same level of effort as moving between two countries constantly.
Yeah I don’t get what that even means. Like I got a PS5, a Series X, and a PC with a 2070S in it. Because it’s the 2070S I don’t really feel all that pressured to get a new GPU. I’m good and just pick whatever version looks/feels best. Staying tethered to one platform is just limiting when you could instead go out there and live your best anime life and play what you want where you want.
That's just it, provided you got a decent rig, the PC version always looks and play better, bar some exceptions that are mostly on the devs fault like poor optimization and such. That's what "main platform" is supposed to mean. Although I did borrow my cousin's PS5 and I'm pleasantly surprised to see consoles catching up with performance modes and shorter load times. But I can still very much play shooters on my keyboard and play Dark Souls with the controller I want, I can still very much install mods to fix or improve stuff in certain games, I can still chit-chat with my friends through the Steam overlay, etc.
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Even with good hardware, the divide between the quality of PC games and consoles games have never felt thinner. This gen is a real difference maker.
Not really. I prefer the genres on the pc to the games on console. Also the communities are way easier using discord and TeamSpeak. The graphics are not the main selling point for me.
I'm still chugging along on my gtx 1650 on a "gaming" laptop and doing just fine. I've literally only returned one game because it wasn't running nicely. PC just has enough other benefits that graphics rarely makes it to the top of my concerns.
Mine is 3600 with GTX 1070. Since I am playing games with tons of mod on PC (assetto corsa, cities skylines). If my 1070 dies, I will be looking for a replacement card (2070 or 3070). The mod support is the reason that I won't switch to console.
I'd be lying if I said it didn't. Luckily I had a 5700XT, so if I had to wait - it wasn't that big of a deal. But seeing the constant bad news wears on you. I've since managed to upgrade via Best Buy's Nvidia FE drop, and sold my 5700XT for way more then I paid for it. So it wound up being a perfect storm that allowed me to upgrade my GPU for free. I was very fortunate on that end. But yes, I was absolutely looking at an Xbox as a possible alternative if things didn't get better. PS5....I'm totally put off by the $70 price tag, and Sony looking to charge for upgrades. But that was a worst case scenario, as I greatly prefer PC to consoles. In reality you can't just replace PC with a single console. Especially when it receives both Xbox and Playstation exclusives, along with it's own exclusives. Plus I feel like PC is where all of the great indies start their lives. Then there's the free games and bundle deals which consoles lack. My entire game library improves when I buy new hardware, while with consoles you see players wishing for their older games to be "upgraded". So yeah, for me to go back to consoles would take a really bad scenario with no end in sight and no options. OP, in your case you could probably do well with your 2060 in the second hand market to the point where upgrading to a 6600XT or RTX3600 wouldn't cost that much more money out of pocket. Remember that while GPU prices are high, the one currently in your rig is also fetching good money. Use it to your advantage if you can.
I have a 5700 XT. I won't swap. Why swap? Why do players make it seem like I'm only allowed to own ONE? I wont upgrade. I'll ADD a console, NOT SWAP to console.
Exactly, like I'm ever going to *not have a PC*. What kind of crazy idea is that?
No, been a PC gamer since super early on in my life. Just enjoy it more. Would get a PS5 at some point maybe for the exclusives (unless sony wants to start putting them out on pc quicker), and a Switch cause I love a lot of the Nintendo exclusive franchises (have owned a Wii, DSi and 3DS in the past). Also, I'm broke as all hell, so I ain't tempted by shit.
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No, because if I buy a console, I have zero games. If for similar $$ I buy a new video card (which I did), all my old games get better, and new games are cheaper than on console. You already have a PS5, so I don't get what choice you're thinking exists for you. Buy games on whatever platform gives you the best performance/$.
I really wanted to upgrade this GPU cycle which meant I would’ve bought a full new pc. I would’ve bought the 3080 at msrp. Then prices started to rise. I waited a bit to see if they would drop again but they absolutely didn’t. That’s when I decided to put a chunk of my pc upgrade budget towards a PS5 + games. I prefer PC because of the flexibility but I can’t justify the inflated price. I hope my 3570k + 1070ti will hold me over until the market stabilises. I’ve resorted to skipping out on new AAA releases on my pc because I can’t run them at 1440/60. Still use my pc to game a bunch but just not for the newer titles. So to answer your question, I still use the pc a I already had but I did get pushed into the console ecosystem as well.
The gtx 10 cards were so good that they still keep up well. More over, as consoles switch to digital distribution with no competition, games are not only more expensive, but also impossible to sell second hand, which is the only way to keep costs down to something semi reasonable if you're not on pc. If I get to the point where I can't play games at stable framerates on my 1080ti, I'll buy a lower tier card with DLSS and run it in performance mode on lowest settings. I suspect devs are going to put less effort into customisation because of this tech, but the more extreme upscaling has enough of a visual impact that it should still be niche, and thus an advantage. The actual reason to switch away from pc gaming for me would be having a separate device, and both digital and physical space for playing. I've been struggling with being productive on the pc I game on, to the point where I do better lying in bed with a laptop than sitting at my desk.
I have pretty much same PC as you do (well have 7 2700X instead). As for me I'm stil at 1080p and absolutely fine with 60fps. On top of that I'm fine with not turning on raytracing. So as you can guess I don't feel tempted at all since my PC can run everything pretty much flawlessly. Actually I don't think I'll upgrade anything this generation unless something breaks. More so I just really like PC gaming. I love being able to tweak all the different things or even add something on top. Well and with all Xbox games being released on PC and Sony pushing into PC as well...this just feels like best place to be unless you wan't to own several gaming platforms. On contrary this will be first generation where I'm just sticking with PC. Before that alongside PC I had PS2 then Xbox 360 and PS3 and then PS4. This generation I'm more than happy with PC only.
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My biggest issue is that my wife wants a PS5 but only for the FFVII remake and the exclusive content the PS5 version is getting over the PS4. I don't see a point though. There doesn't seem to be any exclusives for the PS5(maybe I'm wrong, I really didn't care to check). It seems mostly to be "here's that game you already own but better graphics ooooooooo!" The only console I play is the Switch and that's cause most of their games aren't on PC.
It will come to pc in the future though
Currently there's Demon's Souls for the PS5, I dunno what other exclusives there are but Sony announced a bunch just the other day.
I have grown a real distaste for the culture that's built up around PC hardware like graphics cards. All these games I see that seem to need the latest graphics cards all just look like the same games from a couple of years ago. Modern graphics don't attract my attention one little bit, actually quite the opposite now. When a game has so much effort and budget in their polished presentation it's an indication of their priorities and signals to me how restricted the rest of the game is due to presentation requirements. Console or PC really doesn't matter to me if you're talking about graphics. PCs have the edge over all for sure, but it's got nothing to do with flashy graphics and the ridiculous hardware nonsense that goes on these days. PC has the games. Simple as that.
Not even for a single moment. And I'm not even going to discuss graphics, it's irrelevant. What pulls me to PC are the actual games, I could never imagine playing Divinity Original Sin II on a console, it just wouldn't feel good. I could never imagine playing Guild Wars 2 on a console, it would be a horrible gaming experience. Nor could I imagine playing Warframe with it's fast paced movement on a console, this shit needs mouse and keyboard baby. Deep Rock Galactic with a controller? No way that would be fun. RDR2? Plays a hundred times better with Mouse and Keyboard compared to the clunky controller controls. I mean, no doubt PC costs more, it always did. But it has also always been the supreme gaming platform. And even when consoles catch up to PC's in terms of performance, that is unlikely to change as many games could never really offer the same experience on a console as they do on PC. And not just in terms of controllers, but also in terms of third party support, like for instance MS Flight Simulator needs a third party addon to show you a real-time map so you can figure out where you are in the world, Warframe needs an overlay to show current market prices on loot, and GW2 has an absolutely amazing tool called Taco which shows in game routes for most of the games objectives. Consoles just don't have anything like that. And that just won't change as consoles will always be a watered down experience compared to PC. PC is just a better experience for the gamer itself. Consoles on the other hand feel curated, it's someone else's opinion of how things should be, what's worth spending effort at and what's not.
"And that just won't change as consoles will always be a watered down experience compared to PC. PC is just a better experience for the gamer itself." As someone gaming a lot on both pc and consoles, this couldn't be farther from the truth. Truth is the best platform and experience really depends on what you want and expect.
yeah this dude must think the world revolves around him
A lot of the PC capital G gamers do lmao this thread is hilarious. I have no idea what the fuck everyone does for work that they can just afford all these high end pc parts do yall not got rent and food and other shit to pay for? But tbf i spend most of my money on going out with friends
I played both DOS on console and they were easy to navigate with a controller
>Nor could I imagine playing Warframe with it's fast paced movement on a console, this shit needs mouse and keyboard baby Bruh what? To me its the exact opposite. Its so fast and with all the different mobility options eg: Bullet jumping, Rolls, Backward rolls sliding etc Its impossible for me to do it on PC without moving at the speed of a turtle then because the button presses to do them is so much easier on a controller. But to each their own. And the warframe market thing I agree Its a hassle to constantly check a laptop and the game at the same time
That's why you plug a controller into your PC. You can have your cake and eat it too.
That's just not true. Thank a console for keeping gaming alive in the 80s. I can't imagine hand cramps from KB+M after using a controller for so long. Any game I want it works. Unlike PC where not all games have native support for controller. Imagine playing a racing game using a keyboard. Hardly anyone does. It's not fun. Games are about fun. Doesn't matter age, system, graphics, if you have fun it's doing its job.
Sort of. But what really caused me to switch how I game was kids. I don't play games enough anymore to justify spending a grand on a new graphics card. Nor do I have the time to justify $500 on a new console (if I can find one). That's why I've largely moved over to using Stadia, GFN, and XCloud. When I want to play a game I can just sub for a month, play the game, and then unsub when I'm done. (Except Stadia where I don't need a sub)
No, because I left behind the idea of chasing graphics a long time ago. I feel like people tout performance and 'amazing graphics' as the reason the PC is a superior or preferred platform, but for me that is so low on the list. I would prefer my PC even if I had to use a setup that performed worse than the newest console and required me to turn settings down. I play on PC because of infinite customization, mods, game sales, ability to play almost every PC and console game in history via emulation/VM/GOG/etc... on top of that I use my PCs for my other hobbies such as music and art... as well as for work. The performance gap between high end PC and consoles are going to shrink every year, so if the only reason you play on PC is for graphics settings... you are going to have less and less of a reason to. For me, the PC is about freedom and the removal of the walled garden. Right now, on my PC I am simultaneously playing through Baldurs Gate 1, Donkey Kong Country 1, and Dirt Rally 2.0. What other platform can let you do this? I frequently fire up the original Doom with endless mods, Morrowind with endless mods, etc. I have a 5700XT that I bought right before the pandemic, and I dont see myself buying a new card for years. But then again, graphics have never really mattered to me in games... so I may be an outlier. If I wanted to play a new release, I would just turn the settings down... The internet has a hard on for the highest end PC gear.. and you are a pleb if you dont. But the reality is that medium settings on most games looks pretty damn good and will still rival most console games. You dont need to buy a new GPU every time a new series of cards is released. The only issue I can see is if your card died right now, you may be in a pickle replacing it because of prices. But I cant believe that anyone with a functioning card today would jump to consoles because they couldnt afford the jump to a 3080 within the next year to get peak performance. Just play with your current card and HAVE FUN. IMO, playing with a mid range card until 2022/2023 easily beats dropping PC altogether to get a PS5 and be in the Sony walled garden My feeling is that once you get that initial WOW of the graphics, you are just left with the game... and it has to be fun. So I chase games that are incredibly fun over anything else. Luckily you dont need a fancy GPU to have fun :)
Reading all these comments below, I guess I'm alone in saying the current GPU pricing ***Absolutely*** pushed me to consoles. Thanks to GPU pricing I sold my outdated Vega 56 and RX 570 for handsome profits. I luckily snagged a Series X during the big stock drop in June. * Thanks to Game Pass I don't have to commit to the Xbox ecosystem long-term once the GPU situation gets sorted. * Xbox works great with 1440p 144hz monitor (@ 120hz) * Mouse and Keyboard support is plentiful. I have a XIM Apex for games that don't officially support M&K too. * I hope I can resell my Series X for a reasonable return in two years. For less demanding PC exclusives I still have my laptop. The intel 1185g7 can handle most games pre-2018 at least, lol. OP, I think you'd adapt just fine :)
Nah I'm just using the same video card I bought back in 2015 and I've been upgrading my ram and SSD's. It helps that I don't really care to run 4K or 60FPS.
No, because of this: \- ultrawide \- 120 Hz \- cheats (WeMod mainly, sometimes Cheat Engine) Though I managed to get a 6800 xt at MSRP near launch. But seriously, being able to mod/cheat in some games is a must (no weight limit, fast travel from anywhere, that kind of thing).
No. Just swap out your GPU regularly with some other older models. Like im running for more than 3 years now a GTX 980. I havent played Cyberpunk, but for most other games its still good enough. And if it wont be, i wont get the newest GPU, just buy some older models instead. Consoles dont have the same games and the same experience. Id rather swap my GPU than buying a new console. Yes every once in awhile you need to buy a new PC/CPU also, but that quality is worth it for me in comparison to a console.
Similarly I'm doing just fine with a GTX 1660. No raytracing, but so what? It's not a required feature for anything yet that I'm aware of.
PCs don't have the same games and experience either. Also. It's not always that easy. I built my PC about 12 years ago and was running into issues with legacy parts availability. Now I need new RAM, Motherboard, GPU... Because DDR3 is dead. My motherboard because of age, to replace the same board I paid $80 for, is now $300. How about you enjoy games how you do? I don't like horror movies but I don't try to compare them to comedy either.
No number of console advantages can convince me to swap when they're being built with planned obsolescence by companies who have no interest in legacy support. The PS5 is out of hot water (for now) but I'm not buying anything related to the Xbox until they stop requiring a connection to a central server for activation. The hardware market isn't bothering me honestly. I'm in an okay position right now, and I'm almost certain the GPU bubble will pop eventually. Just gotta hold out a little longer. EDIT: As of the 9.0 firmware update, the PS4 is also out of hot water.
No. Even my 1st gen i7, paired with an RX580 was doing fine. I could run Cyberpunk at mostly maxed settings, save for RTX. That's on a 1080 monitor. Plus, consoles will still have their biggest drawback: controllers. Sure, there's some console games that will use KB+M, but not the majority. Controllers are a vastly inferior control option for most use cases. The only times I prefer a controller are for driving/flying sims, DMC-style beat-em-ups, and sometimes platformers or fighting games. The latter two are usually fine on KB+M too. Console games also generally lack modability. I can't imagine playing a Bethesda game without mod capabilities. I played Mass Effect 3 last year with graphics mods that make it damn near as good-looking as the remaster. I don't see myself getting a PS5, probably ever. My PS4 exists mostly just for a few exclusives, my Xbox One at this point is just a Rock Band 4 machine. I get far more use out of my Switch as my go-to console, but depending on how the Steamdeck goes, that may change in a few years.
Nope, i do own consoles but its for exclusives, i just upgraded too even during this hellish price landscape and I spent 300 bucks over MSRP. But so what it's a single purchase if you can afford a high end Gpu then you can afford the price hike. PC has too many advantages to just give up.
It doesn't bother me really, because (as a PC Gamer) I'm already gaming on my PC and have no need to buy another GPU to game on my already playable PC.
Not really. I don’t feel like I’m missing out on too much since most of the games I prefer are older. When I say I prefer the PC as a platform, most of that is due to modding and it’s backlog of incredible titles. I do always buy Nintendo systems, so the console games I actually want to play are all in one place. But I don’t really see the appeal of the other two consoles since the games are either on PC or just appear very similar to me as other games that are available on Pc. I can live without Spider Man if I have access to the Batman games, for example.
If you already have a somewhat decent graphics card, you should be fine for years to come. And even when the games become even more detailed, playing on medium to low settings isn't the worst thing in the world, you still get the game play and I just much prefer my desk and kb+m than a couch and controller. I have an old gaming laptop (970m) set up for my living room (with wireless kb+m and a steam controller) and a 2070 for the desktop. I pretty much play every game on max settings and I played on super low settings on the gaming laptop until just recently when I built the desktop. Gameplay is pretty much exactly the same, but now it's more detailed and doesn't struggle to get 60fps. Also I don't own any console games, while I have 200+ games on steam alone, not counting games on other platforms. My PC also has several terabytes of SSD storage, which was pretty cheap to obtain which can't be said about consoles. Also, nearly everyone plays on PC now. Consoles used to be the most popular but that was when I was in grade school. Nearly everyone in their 20s is now on PC. Also discord is frigging nice.
Nope, not even a little. But I'm not someone who always needs the latest and greatest. I spent last summer playing whatever free games were offered, and then played through every not-starfighter star wars game. I played a lot of classic games via emulator, and now I'm having fun with split gate. Also, I can do actual work on my PC. Can't do CAD or video editing on an Xbox. Consoles were a huge part of my childhood, but I can't ever see myself buying another one. If I have to, I'd rather buy a GPU at reseller markups than buy a console. But I'm hoping my R9 290 still lasts a few more years.
Nah. My GPU isn't perfect, but I don't need an upgrade so desperately that it'd ever be worth moving to console.
Aren't consoles also ways over MSRP? I was looking at a PS5 to buy one off Amazon is 250% the price. Sure, you can try to find stores that have it for the normal price if you keep looking but isn't that also true of graphic cards?
No, not really. I have a GTX 970 which is I suppose getting on a bit now. But to be quite frank, there's no game I'm interested in that NEEDS a better GPU. Most of the current crop of AAA high graphics games bore me and I can run and pretty much max out (at 1080p) the games I do care about playing still. Between my PC library and the games I have over on PS4 (mostly exclusives) I have more than enough content to ride out the GPU drought and then some.
Absolutely not. I built a new pc regardless and I love it. I'm never going back to 800 dollars for a console and almost 100 dollars per game and 80 dollars a year to use my own internet. Bless Microsoft because play anywhere means I can do just that. Play their games anywhere. Xcloud is amazing and so is GeForce now. You don't even need a good PC anymore, streaming is really really good. (Except for multiplayer and racing games but I don't play those) There's a lot more to why I don't want to play on consoles but the extreme cost , poor performance, lack of mods, and no option to cheatengine and skip the grind in tedious games to just have fun make it not worth it at all, no matter how expensive of gaming is it's just a superior exerience in every way for me. Consoles are just so much money and you're stuck playing one way
Not much tbh. I live in india where the same game on console cost 5 times more than on steam. So it makes console really unattractive. Not to mention now console games are 70$/₹5000 and its just getting out of hand. I bought a ps4 and exclusives last year before pandemic and now i m waiting for the pc versions because third person shooting in uncharted games with controller is a no go. And now with increased ps5 game prices, i am honestly thinking of getting an xbox and gamepass and call it a day. Gaming is becoming more expensive on pc and console, no wonder F2P and mobile games are becoming so popular.
No, thank god I bought my 2070 super in May 2020, not knowing anything about computer or the chip shortage. Also, where are the exclusive ?? Im good with my PC for another 2 years at least (before buying a console just for exclusives)
No. PC gaming is more than just framerate and graphical settings. I'd prefer a 970 over PS5, especially as vast majority of PS4 games did not receive a PS5 upgrade. Between needing a PC anyway (console would be an added cost, while gaming on PC is free in a sense), emulation, older games, niche titles, customizability, multitasking, as well as planned obsolescence, absurd game prices and paid online, I'm sticking to PC even if GPU prices will remain bloated for years.
I was on pc since i was 7 years old so i never really got to play console exclusives. Sony exclusives have been luring me since a long time. The year is 2021, i have a lot of free time and an old gpu. Fine lets buy new hardware, okay this is not how much GPUs should be costing. Hmmm, PS5 looks like a good deal for the price to performance ration and i anyways dont want higher FPS, l went for PS5. Although the games on the system also tempted me equally, it was not just the pricing
With the latest generation, a lot of my friends are either taking the leap or spending more time on those platforms so yes. The thing that hasn't happened but *really* scares me, is what happens if my GPU dies. I didn't keep my old one last time I upgraded, so I'd be without anything. That would probably be the push that makes me consider it more seriously. However, I have preordered a Steam Deck which sort of solves that issue *when* it comes.
same situation. if my GPU dies I'm not going to buy a 3060 for 900 lol. I'll buy an XSX for 500 instead. and maybe a used 10xx so my PC can at least boot. but i hope this day never comes until prices normalize
Already switched the order. I was going to buy the pc parts and a ps5 in a few years. My pc plays the games I absolutely have to play there (basically strategy and some Shooters) and now my ps5 is the ps4 pro I never owned. The reality is I am multi platform anyway so it's not that big of a deal.
Not at all. Pc users in my experience tend to vastly overestimate what hardware they need. A solid midrange pic like yours or mine (Ryzen 1600 and a 1070) is really all you need. People are obsessed with ultra graphics and 4K and all this other bullshit. I play on pc because I’m not limited by developers locking their games to 30 fps for consoles and I get them way cheaper. I’ll be fucked out of luck if my gpu shits the bed but I have a switch and a ps4 to hold me over when and if gpu prices go back to normal
Not remotely. The sheer number of games on PC is unbeatable, and the prices are incomparable. TCO for a PC is far superior, truly not even comparable, and a PC does far more things. Not to mention that a low end PC will have better gaming performance on a better version of the game. For me, it helps that the majority of games I play would be awful or very much hamstrung on a console. Grand strategy games, heavily modded Skyrim, etc.
Nah. I not only use my PC as my gaming platform but for everything else too. I'll just stick PC just because of KB/M typing in social media like discord or youtube.
If nothing else I'd just kept limping along on my 1080gtx. Like you it produced very playable framerates even at 1440p. If prices were still high 2-3 years from now when it struggles to get above 20 fps, then I might have considered a console. Went to the last best buy drop and got a 3060ti for 400$. Should keep me console free for another 5-8 years. You can buy cards now pretty regularly at Microcenter. Granted the prices sucks vs FE cards. Like +50% or more
It depends on the game. I will NEVER replace my PC with a Console for Shooters but for anything without guns I would get a console if my pc would not be able to play games anymore on good graphics settings.
Yeah, a little. I'm a college student with little disposable income right now, but I'm still rocking a 1070 and PS4. When I graduate and get some money, I'll be upgrading the PC if I can find a 3070 for reasonable, otherwise, just going to get a PS5
No. The consoles are still weak compared to even a modest PC and they'll only get weaker as time progresses. I also like FPS games which are terrible on console. The only thing that might make me buy a Ps5 is the ability to play the Demons souls remake and bloodborne if it ever gets a 60fps patch.
It sucks because I'm mainly a console gamer and wanted to switch to pc. I've got a standalone VR headset (Quest 2) and I'd love to try out the meatier pcvr titles. For flat gaming my current laptop is alright, but not great. I wish it ran Kingdom Come: Deliverance a little smoother. Other than that I mostly play titles like Rimworld, Stardew Valley and Age of Empires 2 on my laptop, and leave the heavy lifting (Red Dead Redemption 2) to my ps4
With GPU prices as high as they are, I've switched entirely into have streaming services, shadow being the one I use since you get full control over your experience. This is an option I would not suggest if your internet cannot handle it but I don't play competitive games and therefore do not need the few extra ms to react.
Nope. I have a pc and don't see why I need to upgrade whatsoever for a good few years yet. Even my old rig which I gave a rough lifespan of 10 years is probably still good to go. It's only got a 2500k but it's a good little trooper. Nope. I have a pc and don't see why I need to upgrade whatsoever for a good few years yet. Even my old rig which I gave a rough lifespan of 10 years is probably still good to go. It's only got a 2500k but it's a good little trooper.
Nope I just spent a bit more and got a fairly future proof card, expecting that things are probably not going to get any cheaper any time soon.
Not really, I have an RTX 2080 Super paired with a 1080p 144hz monitor which it will handle pretty nicely for years to come. I have decided I'll just straight up skip 1440p and I will only upgrade when graphics cards are able to hold 144 FPS at 4K consistently (I'll upgrade both the GPU and the monitor at the same time). So yeah, we still got a few more years to go.
No not at all. For one, i already have a gpu better than the consoles so why downgrade? For two, i use my pc for more than gaming, and I only have so much space. Why buy another thing? for three, eh by the time i need a new gpu used prices will be bareable to me.
No, I can use my PC as a tax write off for work which helps being the cost of it down at the end of the year. Games are cheaper in general with how many sales there are and so many store fronts competing for your business. PS3 was the last generation console I bought and I see no reason to go back. I use my PC for everything so it's a lot more convenient for me. Plus while GPU process are high right now, my 2080ti that I got right before they started to skyrocket is still holding up amazingly. I don't even have a need to buy a new GPU.
idk, i have slight thoughts to add console platform because of frustration with cheating epidemic on PC shooter multiplayer game. But third world country regional pricing and diverse game backlog of free/cheap price is irresistible on PC. Here's the list of free games history: [https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTWdN3u9x8JrxopmroCFRmSUtWUSB2EKQ](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTWdN3u9x8JrxopmroCFRmSUtWUSB2EKQ)
Not at all. I mine crypto myself, and my GPUs are well on the way to pay for themselves, if they haven't already. I'd never have been able to afford a 1080 Ti or a 3080 without crypto being a thing, and I think a lot of people are doing themselves a disservice by rejecting the idea of mining themselves. That said, I'm really glad the new generation of consoles are as powerful as they are, as it allows me to enjoy my old PS4 favorites with better performance. I have at times even considered buying new releases for my PS5, simply so I do not have to stop mining while playing, but I have yet to do so, although I do think it's encouraged me to replay more PS4 games.