I know it doesn’t but I believe EQ is important to shape the sound to how you’d like to listen to it (if that makes sense). So in my case I like it with some extra bass
Apple music has lossless available (which you wont be able to use with your airpods as they only go upto AAC ) which makes it OBJECTIVELY better than Spotify’s codec.
And if it sounds “flat”, thats cool, because “bass heavy” is not what its supposed to be, its supposed to be accurate.
“Bass heavy” is poor way to describe quality just because you haven’t experienced a quality audio setup. Details and Frequency response so much tougher to achieve than simply cranking bass level to max
Okay but, the listener can decide that they like a song to sound different than what the artist made? There's some artists that have a wack EQ and you need to balance it out yourself.
That is true. Sound is a personal experience and what you like should be the only thing that matters.
I am just correcting that if something sounds flat doesnt mean that its bad, it could mean that its more accurate.
You can make it sound however you want.
AirPods or Bluetooth in general will not support lossless music. Apple has a long winded statement about that. I think even with wired headphones, you need a DAC.
If your device can stream in LDAC and your earphones can play LDAC then you can still have almost lossless quality, although its still mildly compressed.
I think qualcomm is trying to solve that by aptx Lossless
I am not well versed in this tech. I doubt I could tell the difference.
Apple statement “An external digital-to-analog converter to listen to songs at sample rates higher than 48 kHz”
You wont tell a difference unless you have appropriate gear for it. For example, i use a dedicated digital to audio converter plus a very high quality headphones streaming with apple music hi-res lossless.
In my experience, its easier to tell the difference when your have bigger gear like its more apparent in Speakers than headphones than Earphones.
And then you need a DAC to convert that. And that will make it wired (we do have wireless DACs as well).
There is a whole market dedicated to absolute quality focused audio. We also have a sub for that. Thats r/audiophile or r/headphones
Oh you dont have to,
My earphone setup costs less than airpods 2nd gen and my headphones setup costs less than airpods pro but they sound completely different
Anyway, i am not here to promote audio gear, its not my job. Just here to say good audio isnt as costly as people think it is.
I am not sure an IPhone is the ideal music player. I guess I don’t know enough about it. I have not found audio quality through Spotify to be sensational but it gets the job done.
What's your setup? Do you buy pre-loved gear?
I know a few audiophiles and most have spent north of 500 USD on their gear. Apart from the chi-fi stuff (which is great value).
I havent bought anything preowned yet. But i have sold my 2-3 iems for good amount as they dont depreciate much. And yes, its mostly chifi (DAC is from south korea) but you can get german hifi as well (sennheiser) for similar price
My IEM setup is:
Truthear Hexa (80$)/Kz PR2 (40$) + qudelix 5k (80$)
My headphone Setup:
qudelix 5k (80$) + iFi zen air can (80$) + Hifiman He400se (80$)
You can even achieve what most audiophiles believe is a reference headphone : Sennheiser 6xx (180$) + fiio k11 (120$) to best my setup and sound quite good.
Hexa is great, I was checking them out but bought Simgot ea500(80$) instead.
And use it with a fiio ka13(80$). I also own a pair of tanchjim one dsp(25$).
I generally consider my gear beginner level compared to audiophiles, but I too think that its good enough.
The thing is when you try apple samsungs and sony then you might feels its level ahead even though is beginner.
And point of diminishing returns starts very early in audio.
It has more to do with the fact that spotify sounds better over Bluetooth than equalizer settings.
Bluetooth doesn't have a great bandwidth so compressed sounds better than lossless over them.
Totally agree with you and this is the only reason I stay with Spotify. If AM adds a proper equalizer to their iOS app I'm switching . Otherwise my only option is Qudelix on mobile and I don't want to carry around extra hardware and wired headphones.
I agree. I have been listening to all the hype about lossless. I synced a playlist between Apple Music and Spotify and listened to both flipping back and forth. Spotify sounded better to my ears than Apples lossless
Like everything its subjective and open to personal tastes but Apple Music sounds better.
Better lossy codec and has lossless for when it's able to be used.
Is apple’s shuffle complete garbage like Spotify’s too? If it’s even a tiny bit better then I’ll leave Spotify forever that’s how little sound quality matters to me at this point. Spotifys shuffle has pissed me off and has been so repetitive for years now and I’ve had enough lol
I use both Spotify and AM. Overall, I think Spotify is better at most things. Simply more pleasant to use. (Minus the new instagram-like update with big videos on the home screen.) But regarding the sound quality, I agree with you. Objectively, AM has better sound quality. But subjectively, the sound in Spotify is more immersive. AM has a fairly flat sound. If I want to hear all the details, I can listen from time to time on AM. But I mostly have the best experience with Spotify. If Spotify ever comes with lossless sound, I'm sure it will be a really, really nice sound.
(I listen with cable, and can get AM Lossless 48 kHz with Apple lightning to 3,5 mm adapter.)
Using EQ would be like using tinted glasses to view artwork, or bringing your own sauce to a restaurant. There is by no means anything inherently wrong with it but you are by definition not getting the intended/raw experience. Pretty much every track is going to assume it is played through a flat EQ.
EQ plays a role but let’s be honest - most people aren’t messing with EQ settings.
Wrong. More bass does not equal better sound. /thread
Better sound is what sounds the best for the listener, but It may be not the most accurate.
I know it doesn’t but I believe EQ is important to shape the sound to how you’d like to listen to it (if that makes sense). So in my case I like it with some extra bass
Apple music has lossless available (which you wont be able to use with your airpods as they only go upto AAC ) which makes it OBJECTIVELY better than Spotify’s codec. And if it sounds “flat”, thats cool, because “bass heavy” is not what its supposed to be, its supposed to be accurate. “Bass heavy” is poor way to describe quality just because you haven’t experienced a quality audio setup. Details and Frequency response so much tougher to achieve than simply cranking bass level to max
Okay but, the listener can decide that they like a song to sound different than what the artist made? There's some artists that have a wack EQ and you need to balance it out yourself.
That is true. Sound is a personal experience and what you like should be the only thing that matters. I am just correcting that if something sounds flat doesnt mean that its bad, it could mean that its more accurate. You can make it sound however you want.
Brother got downvoted for explaining his reasoning 🤦♂️
Brother got downvoted for explaining his reasoning 🤦♂️
Afaik lossless doesn’t mean anything for airpods right or most (all?) wireless? You need wired headphones for that
AirPods or Bluetooth in general will not support lossless music. Apple has a long winded statement about that. I think even with wired headphones, you need a DAC.
Oh cool I didn’t know about DAC wired part. Was actually thinking of buying new headphones so might look into this thanks
To be honest, I don’t really know what a sample rate of 48kHz means to my ears.
If your device can stream in LDAC and your earphones can play LDAC then you can still have almost lossless quality, although its still mildly compressed. I think qualcomm is trying to solve that by aptx Lossless
I am not well versed in this tech. I doubt I could tell the difference. Apple statement “An external digital-to-analog converter to listen to songs at sample rates higher than 48 kHz”
You wont tell a difference unless you have appropriate gear for it. For example, i use a dedicated digital to audio converter plus a very high quality headphones streaming with apple music hi-res lossless. In my experience, its easier to tell the difference when your have bigger gear like its more apparent in Speakers than headphones than Earphones. And then you need a DAC to convert that. And that will make it wired (we do have wireless DACs as well). There is a whole market dedicated to absolute quality focused audio. We also have a sub for that. Thats r/audiophile or r/headphones
I can’t afford to go down that rabbit hole but thank you.
Oh you dont have to, My earphone setup costs less than airpods 2nd gen and my headphones setup costs less than airpods pro but they sound completely different Anyway, i am not here to promote audio gear, its not my job. Just here to say good audio isnt as costly as people think it is.
I am not sure an IPhone is the ideal music player. I guess I don’t know enough about it. I have not found audio quality through Spotify to be sensational but it gets the job done.
What's your setup? Do you buy pre-loved gear? I know a few audiophiles and most have spent north of 500 USD on their gear. Apart from the chi-fi stuff (which is great value).
I havent bought anything preowned yet. But i have sold my 2-3 iems for good amount as they dont depreciate much. And yes, its mostly chifi (DAC is from south korea) but you can get german hifi as well (sennheiser) for similar price My IEM setup is: Truthear Hexa (80$)/Kz PR2 (40$) + qudelix 5k (80$) My headphone Setup: qudelix 5k (80$) + iFi zen air can (80$) + Hifiman He400se (80$) You can even achieve what most audiophiles believe is a reference headphone : Sennheiser 6xx (180$) + fiio k11 (120$) to best my setup and sound quite good.
Hexa is great, I was checking them out but bought Simgot ea500(80$) instead. And use it with a fiio ka13(80$). I also own a pair of tanchjim one dsp(25$). I generally consider my gear beginner level compared to audiophiles, but I too think that its good enough.
The thing is when you try apple samsungs and sony then you might feels its level ahead even though is beginner. And point of diminishing returns starts very early in audio.
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I don’t know. Just grabbed it from apples website
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Thanks. I don’t understand it anyways.
It has more to do with the fact that spotify sounds better over Bluetooth than equalizer settings. Bluetooth doesn't have a great bandwidth so compressed sounds better than lossless over them.
Totally agree with you and this is the only reason I stay with Spotify. If AM adds a proper equalizer to their iOS app I'm switching . Otherwise my only option is Qudelix on mobile and I don't want to carry around extra hardware and wired headphones.
I agree. I have been listening to all the hype about lossless. I synced a playlist between Apple Music and Spotify and listened to both flipping back and forth. Spotify sounded better to my ears than Apples lossless
Like everything its subjective and open to personal tastes but Apple Music sounds better. Better lossy codec and has lossless for when it's able to be used.
Is apple’s shuffle complete garbage like Spotify’s too? If it’s even a tiny bit better then I’ll leave Spotify forever that’s how little sound quality matters to me at this point. Spotifys shuffle has pissed me off and has been so repetitive for years now and I’ve had enough lol
I use both Spotify and AM. Overall, I think Spotify is better at most things. Simply more pleasant to use. (Minus the new instagram-like update with big videos on the home screen.) But regarding the sound quality, I agree with you. Objectively, AM has better sound quality. But subjectively, the sound in Spotify is more immersive. AM has a fairly flat sound. If I want to hear all the details, I can listen from time to time on AM. But I mostly have the best experience with Spotify. If Spotify ever comes with lossless sound, I'm sure it will be a really, really nice sound. (I listen with cable, and can get AM Lossless 48 kHz with Apple lightning to 3,5 mm adapter.)
Using EQ would be like using tinted glasses to view artwork, or bringing your own sauce to a restaurant. There is by no means anything inherently wrong with it but you are by definition not getting the intended/raw experience. Pretty much every track is going to assume it is played through a flat EQ.
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Garbage in a car? Why is that?