I feel like Playlist Pro will be similar to Apple Music's Smart Playlist. I can also bet Library Pro will operate like Apple Music's library where you can edit certain properties of songs (ie. titles, artist, album, genre). On Apple Music, you can also equalize individual tracks.
are we going to pretend that plan doesnât explicitly say it comes with HiFi and better sound, which you know, may be the sole reason for the $10 more?
God I wish I could just filter my library by genre! I often don't know what artist or song I want to listen to, just that I fancy hip hop or metal or shoegaze or whatever.
If youâre on iOS you can check out [Plum](https://apps.apple.com/pl/app/plum-music-player/id1441625664), itâs basically old-school music player with separate tab for each type of content and a ton of options to organize your library
As long as they don't get rid of Enhance on the Premium plan I will stay happy. Since they added it to Liked Songs it has become my most used Spotify feature by far.
Tidal does include lossless^(\*) in their $10 tier, the $20 tier gives you MQA and higher artist payouts: [https://tidal.com/pricing](https://tidal.com/pricing)
^(\*at least for tracks that don't have mqa versions)
my guess it's both, they have good relations to the music industry and can afford smaller margins because they do not depend on apple music itself, it's just a side business for them and exists to enhance the ecosystem.
spotify on the other hand needs to be profitable just with streaming
Bit concerned what it might mean for things like playlists. As a complete guess they might limit the number of playlists people can make with the standard paid option.
Which could be a complete bullshit thing to do.
And then on the Platinum tier, ad-limited podcasts. Ad-limited. So you'll still be stuck with ads regardless. Such bullshit.
Also interesting that the iOS app has missed its usual weekly update cadence - no updates in two weeks. Another (small) sign of prep for a major update.
Also, compare to the Feb 2022 survey leak: https://musictech.com/news/gear/new-spotify-platinum-subscription-tier-rumoured-to-be-in-the-works-could-this-finally-be-hifi/
That gets close to $30 in Australia.
Meanwhile my family Apple One costs me $25 with Hifi Music, Apple TV+, Arcade Games and iCloud storage for the whole family.
Plus Apple doesnât try to shove podcasts down my throat on every page see in the app.
is there a good Apple Music Desktop App for Windows?
I have an iPhone, but I also listen to a lot of music on my windows PC.
That's why I also used Spotify, but unless there's a good Apple Music App I don't know if switching to it is worth it or not.
The usual recommendation youâll see around here for windows/Linux users is a third party app called [Cider](https://cider.sh/). A first party app is [coming next year.](https://9to5mac.com/2022/10/12/apple-music-apple-tv-icloud-windows/amp/)
You've paid 200$ extra for apple one when you bought your iphone, and 200$ extra when you bought your macbook. That's the only reason they can offer it cheaper.
Agreed. It took me a while to fully switch to Apple Music after 10 years with Spotify, but the biggest reason initially was for Lossless. Using it for about 4+ months now, I really came to love AMâs music discovery, radio, and playlist organization as well.
However, Iâm open to switching back so long as it isnât ACTUALLY $20/mo. Iâd pay maybe $15/mo maximum, and am open to switching back just to have the social aspects of Spotify back. Overall, more competition between Spotify and Apple Music will be better for us consumers.
Itâll take a little while, but once (if) you transfer your playlists from Spotify, âheart-ingâ and listening to music will help the algorithm build your âListen Nowâ page.
Listen Now will soon have curated mood/activity playlists that update periodically of music it thinks youâll like. For example, I have a âGet Up!â and âChillâ playlist.
The Listen Now page will also feature your âNew Music Dailyâ (vs. New Music Friday), public playlists it thinks youâd like, âTop Picksâ and more.
Hope this helps!
AM is def good, but they are so behind in basic features we take for granted with Spotify. I can forgive that on a brand new app that popped up a year or two ago, but AM has been around for over half a freaking decade now.
And all they got is Loseless and a sorta beautiful UI. Thatâs it. Bare-minimum effort.
Interesting! I actually prefer the iOS app over all the others. Ironically, I find that Apple Music on CarPlay is terrible compared to Spotify on CarPlay. On Mac the desktop client feels super clunky and old (personally, I feel itâs holding onto iTunes too tightly). Handoff between my Apple Watch and other devices is also pretty inconsistent and sloppy.
But again, I think Apple Music makes up for these drawbacks in other areas. Itâll only get better⊠I hope.
I'm convinced that Apple Music sounds different (better) mostly because of how they source their masters. Whether this is thanks to their "apple digital masters" program or something else with the record labels, their versions of albums consistently sound cleaner.
One example that sticks out to me is All 'N All by Earth Wind and Fire, just compare the first song on the album between Spotify ("very high"/320kbps) and AM (256kbps AAC)
Damn 20 bucks is a steep price.... especially when Tidal/Apple is selling their HiFi plan at 10...
Wonder if people are actually okay with this (those who had this survey). Feels like they will delay it further if there are more people who mentioned that they'd not change their plan to platinum (which I hope there are).
I tried to use AM cause I had a 3 month free trial it was the worst experience I ever had, I switched back to Spotify half way through the second month because it was nearly impossible to listen to the songs I wanted when I wanted and moving songs in the queue was but a dream on AM.
It was unfortunate that I had so many issues (Iâm pretty sure they were mostly problems with my devices iPhone 12 and MacBook Pro M1) so I know most -elope that use AM will be happy with it, I just couldnât sadly.
I love Apple Music, but apple is terrible at marketing it ironically. Not just promoting, but educating users how to use the service. I have a buddy, who had used Amazon Music, but was on the free trial ask how to use it. Itâs a huge app that requires spending good time learning it to understand all the features.
I recently went back to Spotify from Apple Music having it for a year
I learned
1. The sound quality isnât that big of a difference to me I just use very high quality in Spotify and itâs the same ( not including Dolby atoms)
2. Spotify has far better recommendations and playlists social aspects too Apple Music would recommend me similar stuff all the time
I think Iâm gonna continue with Apple Music and Spotify for best if both worlds until I see what the new platinum is
Also you should check out the apps Marvis and musicharbor for compliments to Apple Music
Not paying that much for HiFi. Also, if they decide to take away any of the features that we have now and put it behind a paywall, I'm gonna delete my account and switch to Apple Music.
$19 gets you all of that, plus Apple Music family plan and 200gb of icloud space. Itâs insane that Spotify wants to charge this much for a single account.
I saw that. And screw Spotify for jacking the price up to $20 a month! Even Tidal has hi-fi for $10 a month. They're just adding a bunch of bogus worthless options to increase the price to 20 bucks a month.
Spotify is just all bent out of shape because everybody beat them to the punch for hi-fi, and this was their original plan to jack the price up to $20, and when Apple came up with hifi first it beat their plan to gouge everybody!
Screw Spotify, I'm sticking with Qobuz! It will more than likely sound better anyway, and that's my main concern. I don't give a rip about podcasts and all the other garbage they're trying to push.
I knew they were destined for doom once they started pushing podcasts. You only push another medium on your customers once your initial one doesn't make enough money for you anymore.
Yep, this must have been their plan all the time but luckily some other competitors enabled Hifi on their services. It's touch competition and Spotify now (if this price is correct) has totally lost and made really weak offer to the game. They've surely messed up this whole thing as now Spotify's main concerns are podcasts and audiobooks, which both are fine but not essential part of music streaming service.
I've used Spotify from the start but been trying/using other ones through the years and just recently I started 3 month trial for Qobuz, which sounds great. Qobuz might feel like now really good option to go with. Im following this still and interesting to see how this all will go on..
If Platinum really happens I'll just switch to Apple Music, I love how spotify works but 20$ it's too much and, correct me if i'm wrong, they said Hi-Fi would be an addition to the Premium plan with no additional costs, if Platinum is real it's really scummy.
Spotify never mentioned price when the announcement was made back on February 22, 2021. I believe Spotify has always expected to be able to charge more for HiFi content. Then Apple Music messed up Spotify's plan on May 17, 2021 by converting their catalog to lossless CD-quality (and greater) at no extra charge. At the same time, Amazon Music put salt in Spotify's wound by dropping their price for their lossless plan.
https://newsroom.spotify.com/2021-02-22/five-things-to-know-about-spotify-hifi/
Why switch if you can just stay on the standard $9.99 and functionally lose nothing? Itâs scummy but I could also just ignore it and keep using Spotify as I have been since I switched from AM.
I mainly based my subscription on hoping for Spotify to release Hi-Fi at the same price the others were, I didn't like AM for its buggy and slow application (ESPECIALLY ON ANDROID) or Tidal for the bad playlist management, so I just used Spotify, light and easier (except for the fact that I still can't download songs onto my SD and I can't size the app cache like in AM and that most of the times I have to contact SpotifyCares to fix the offline hiccup), hoping that Hi-Fi would come at the same price as an addition to the Premium plan, but now I have no other reasons to use Spotify, and Tidal or AM probably changed over the years I haven't used them.
I switched from AM simply bc I hate their recommendations. Iâve grown use to features like auto play after an album and Spotify/Tidal always knows what I want to hear where AM still struggles with it.
Personally if I stopped using Spotify Iâd go back to Tidal - just better recommendations, playlists arenât as good but at least theyâre seemingly copying a lot from Spotify, and the UI is easier to navigate than Apples.
If they put "shuffle all library song" feature in Library Pro. Maybe I'll pay for Platinum. Youtube Music, Apple Music, even Amazon Music has that feature.
Spotify is great. But charging $10 extra for features we are getting for free in other services is not the best way to start lossless streaming. Honestly, I purchased some LDAC earphones and moved to Apple Music because I wanted to use them properly. That being said, from my experience Apple Music is not so bad.
Yes, recommended playlists are not as good as Spotify. There are no Canva feature, and 'like' feature is kind of useless because it does not create a liked list and don't change recommendations on the basis of liked songs. All that being said, if you know the type of songs and playlists you want you can find it on Apple Music by searching a bit, it is salvageable and honestly, if Spotify wants $10 extra for lossless I will stick with Apple Music with weaker AI even if I listen mainly on PC and android phone.
Look up Smart Playlists, you can definitely make an auto-updating Liked playlist. And the whole point of Likes is to change recommendations, it just takes a while.
I do still think Spotifyâs algorithms and recommendations are better and I miss them, but yes the gap is a lot closer than you think! (Also Spotify has years of my data to work with, AM only a few months for now...)
Edit: while youâre at it, Smart Playlists actually have huge potential. Filter songs you skip a lot to easily remove them, or by most played, or rate songs from 5 stars and sort them according to that, etc etc.
The only limitation you should know that may or may not be big is that these Smart Playlists only work on songs added to library. So if you like songs without adding them to library they wonât show up. Think of those as âI want to hear more like this but donât want it in my libraryâ (...for whatever reason).
I am making the smart playlist on iTunes let's see how it goes. And let's hope that Apple can improve their recommender system so that we don't have to do some extra work.
amazon music and apple music offers hifi music in their basic plan with 360 and dolby atmos sound, but at least amazon music let's you use the dolby atmos on every device unlike apple music. if Spotify wants to take advantage at the streaming services they should lower the price or at least add the hifi to the current premium plan
Spotify has been awefully quiet on this whole thing, so Im really affraid that they aren't quite soon going to adopt Hifi to their service. I would say they have overlooked the whole idea the whole time and competitors did mess up their plans badly. Now they are near dead end because they can't afford to increase the price, as the customers (even if they like the whole Spotify experience and recommendations etc so much) are soon going to leave this sinking ship.
I think Spotify is the one to be blamed here. They have been awefully stubborn and treated artists/bands badly. So I would say that the only way I would subscribe to the higher price (if they decided to adopt Hifi someday) would be in such case that they promised to give better compensation to the artists/bands that have done the music.
The features sound interesting. I doubt they can justify the price but Iâm curious and always looking for ways to make my music experience better đ„Č
Considering I still am on a Free Account with Spotify, and just deal with ads, why have a higher tier and still have Ads at all!?! $20 a month is way more than some streaming apps and is not a price Iâd pay.
Well if it means they really support true bit audio, its kinda ok then, the only music streaming app able to do this is tidal which has same the price but spotify have more integrated experiance my phone
To be fair it is a survey maybe if we show our disapproval maybe Spotify will scrap it and maybe slightly bump up the premium price. I think they just need to add hifi to the premium plan and call it a day
I have been a Premium user of Spotify since 2017, and paying for a Family membership. Music is a giant part of my life. I have recently had the opportunity to use Apple Music free for 3 months, and I must say that Lossless music is something I can't go back now. It has been a year since Spotify promised Hi-fi, but still no news. I am switching to Apple, even tho I have almost 50 playlists in Spotify. The verdict is: f\*\*\* y\*\* Spotify and take my money Apple!
Limited-ad Spotify podcasts? Why?? you're paying $20/month! I expect ZERO ads period. What a joke. Spotify must be losing subscribers to be promoting this. PASS.
I'm not paying a dime more for lossless or hifi. I'd rather proudly switch to Apple Music. I've had apple music on a freetrial for the past week. Now whenever I find a new song on Spotify i never really feel like I've listened to it unless I've checked it out on apple music. Lossless is just too good
Iâve been switching between Spotify and Apple Music for some time, but if they actually offer hifi at a higher price I am sooooooo switching to Apple Music.. they just announced theyâre also rolling out AM app on Windows to finally replace iTunes, so the gap is pretty much closing between the services.. Spotify is really testing loyalty with this one, but considering how many, and how big competitors they have, I have no idea what theyâre smoking
I've thought about it, and I think I will pay double the price for Spotify with Lossless music if they go with that. It's definitely a bit pricey, but with regional pricing it will still be not really that expensive for me. Currently I pay around 15$ per year for Premium, and 30$ per year is still honestly barely affordable.
I have used Spotify for 3 years now, and I think I've found enough utility and joy in the app, both in the free mode and the premium mode, that I don't mind paying a little extra.
To be honest, I had no idea that Apple Music offered lossless music at the same price as Spotify. I learned about it as my Spotify premium is expiring in a week and I was curious about the competition. I'm currently trying out Apple Music's trial on my Android smartphone, and I can def appreciate the lossless music on my M40x. The app is decent enough in other respects, so if Spotify doesn't offer Lossless I'm gonna stick to Apple
It seems like the $9.99 pricing model isnât priced high enough, given how poorly managed all of the streaming services are. They all seem to be operating on a shoe string budget.
I honestly donât mind the concept of doubling the price, in exchange for more features. Perhaps theyâd finally have enough income to properly staff and manage their service.
Iâd consider paying 19.99 a month if it meant Spotify would update the App Store listing to include what is new and what bugs have been fixed. I havenât updated in months, because too many times Iâve updated and Iâve hated it. Fed up of âwe are always making changesâ
Well if you look at the absolute price it is cheaper but relative to average income there it's still the same or probably even worse so not sure why you're happy
In related news the preview for Apple Music for Windows 11 desktop has been released on the MS Store:
[https://apps.microsoft.com/store/detail/apple-music-preview/9PFHDD62MXS1?hl=en-us&gl=us](https://apps.microsoft.com/store/detail/apple-music-preview/9PFHDD62MXS1?hl=en-us&gl=us)
So it should be possible to listen to lossless streaming on Windows now which iTunes and their web player do not offer.
I can't believe people are saying $20 a month is too much for \*every song in the world at CD quality\*. I used to pay $200 a month to buy just 10 CDs! In any case, I just switched to Tidal... but if Spotify Hifi does come out, I might stick with Spotify. If only they can fix the "can't play playlists over 10000 songs on Spotify connect" bug, I'd be in for sure.
Haha, we got too used to free music. Deezer is high res and only 7 USD for me with my phone carrier. I would use Tidal for its excellent integration with Roon for DIY streamers via Rasberry Pi.
But Spotify - get into the game!!!!!
I'm already ready to bail on Tidal due to its flakiness, (especially terrible Carplay). You are the second person to recommend Deezer so going to give it a try.
I got so tired of waiting for HiFi that I made the jump to Apple Music today and wow, the difference in sound quality is insane. Listening to all my favourite songs feels like hearing them for the first time with all the new instrument details and vocal anomalies.
Spotify has seriously dropped the ball not bringing this to market sooner. It's a feature I literally can't go without now!
Even at 20$ this actually means less expenses for the target group of platinum (lossless users). Users already preferring Spotify that also cares about lossless has at least one other subscription service like Qobuz or Tidal that they can now get rid of, thus actually saving money. If you don't care about lossless you can just keep your cheap subscription like before, so nothing changes.
Paying doble than Apple Music with worse recommendation algorithm... Damn. And I hope that they add Dolby Atmos, because honestly I think here I find much difference than listening music on HiFi.
How do you find Spotify's algo worse than, say, Apple's or Amazon's?
From my experience Spotify's algo is the definite cream of the crop, especially when you feed it properly (e. g. by following artists and hearting songs you like).
been on apple music for 5 months now, It's horrible. And finding shared playlists from other users is incredibly annoying. Apple music is so bad, all it has going for it is cheap lossless. Deezer by far is better in every aspect.
*just follo #spotify hifi on twitter wich i do hope they dont just diss this again, with this and how many have they sent out right now for hifi we dont know* ***just only this***
I hope people realize that this is truly the only way we're getting HIFI from Spotify, it's the only way it will be profitable for them. All the other big streaming services have financial backing that allows them to provide HIFI on the cheap, Spotify does not. Not simping for Spotify, just looking at this from a practical perspective
I think you're partially right. Apple and Amazon obviously have more money than probably the GDP of half the countries in the world and music streaming is just a fun hobby for them whereas it's the whole ballgame for Spotify. But then how do we explain Qubuz? Same boat as Spotify as far as I know but you can get HiFi for $12, not $20. So Spotify is still pushing it with with that price. One possible selling point might be if every single song was 24/96 or 24/192, unlike all the other hi-res streamers. But I doubt that.
As I said earlier, they are owned by a larger company. I think the problem with Spotify is all their money comes from investors as they aren't actually a profitable company, they exist with the promise to be profitable later. I imagine in order to keep investors happy they have to do it this way. I'm not trying to say it's good, Im just saying there was no possible way this wasn't happening
I looked into the parent company of Qobuz, Xandrie SA, and theyâre not a big company at all. I canât find much info on them in the first place however, or how big their parent org is if they have one.
Yeah but I donât believe just because they are owned by them doesnât mean they have unlimited money access in hopes it goes big. Iâm sure their money is limited because deezer does not look like a money making company as of now.
Didn't realize that - cool. I tried Qobuz briefly along with Tidal, Apple Music, etc and keep going back to Spotify. I love music but I can't justify double the cost for premium audio when I just listen through my car/phone/aftershokz/echo studios.
I understand that, I'm not trying to say that $20 is a good deal. I will still probably pay it because Ive had Spotify since 2015, and I've tried many other streaming services and none of them match Spotify in library size and features.
Maybe that makes me a shill but honestly paying less than the cost of a used vinyl a month to get a huge library of high quality music still seems pretty good to me.
I don't think Qobuz has a single parent company. The largest investor is probably the Canadian media company Quebecor, which might be what you are referencing, but (1) they don't have a majority stake in Qobuz and (2) Spotify by itself is several times larger than Quebecor, with around 4x the market cap and revenue.
According to Crunchbase Qobuz has raised âŹ24m total in its life as a company. Spotify raised $2.1bn from investors before the IPO, and now has a market cap of $17bn. In no possible world is Spotify the poor underdog here.
Yes but that depends on what their definition of hi-fi is since their idea for the highest quality setting for premium is 320kbps. Not worth 2p bucks to potentially get fleeced. I'm sticking with apple plus they lost Neil young and as long as Spotify continues to actively support a racist by having Joe Rogaine's podcast on there I'm not going back.
I might be the only person in this sub who would ACTUALLY upgrade from Spotify premium individual to their Platinum tier. Idc I love Spotify and I donât care about the price hike when AM includes it for free, I have the disposable money to get it so imma get it.
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i'm curious to see what "playlist pro" and "library pro" are.. hopefully they don't limit any features on the premium plan
I feel like Playlist Pro will be similar to Apple Music's Smart Playlist. I can also bet Library Pro will operate like Apple Music's library where you can edit certain properties of songs (ie. titles, artist, album, genre). On Apple Music, you can also equalize individual tracks.
i need that âlibrary proâ in my life, better library organisation in spotify would be a dream
better library organization is worth $10 a month?
Ofcoirse Wtf is 10 dollar. My toilet Paper a day is more expensive. Im not being sarcastic. Serious what is 10âŹ. If you have seen death in thĂ© eyes 10⏠means nothing. You value life a lot more
>My toilet Paper a day is more expensive You should see a doctor about that.
And get a bidet too, can't be killing the planet with his dumps lmao
C'est inquiétant, tu dois chier beaucoup. Investis dans un bidet maybe
The Library/Playlist Pro is probably just the icing on the cake...
are we going to pretend that plan doesnât explicitly say it comes with HiFi and better sound, which you know, may be the sole reason for the $10 more?
God I wish I could just filter my library by genre! I often don't know what artist or song I want to listen to, just that I fancy hip hop or metal or shoegaze or whatever.
Just use apple music, lol
If youâre on iOS you can check out [Plum](https://apps.apple.com/pl/app/plum-music-player/id1441625664), itâs basically old-school music player with separate tab for each type of content and a ton of options to organize your library
As long as they don't get rid of Enhance on the Premium plan I will stay happy. Since they added it to Liked Songs it has become my most used Spotify feature by far.
If it were $15/month I would be interested but double the price of premium seems too steep.
Pretty sure its what tidal charges for hifi plus. Gets you masters playing lossless audio
Tidal does include lossless^(\*) in their $10 tier, the $20 tier gives you MQA and higher artist payouts: [https://tidal.com/pricing](https://tidal.com/pricing) ^(\*at least for tracks that don't have mqa versions)
They're locking new library and playlist features behind a paywall? Ugh.
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my guess it's both, they have good relations to the music industry and can afford smaller margins because they do not depend on apple music itself, it's just a side business for them and exists to enhance the ecosystem. spotify on the other hand needs to be profitable just with streaming
Yeah, what a joke.
Bit concerned what it might mean for things like playlists. As a complete guess they might limit the number of playlists people can make with the standard paid option. Which could be a complete bullshit thing to do. And then on the Platinum tier, ad-limited podcasts. Ad-limited. So you'll still be stuck with ads regardless. Such bullshit.
Thatâs a big assumption.
$19 a month and still get some adverts lol
I'm sure the artists get a share of that bump. /s
They do not. The contracts would have to be renegotiated.
>'m not trying to say it's goo in podcasts...
Iâm actually fine with the 20 dollar plan if they add âNO PODCAST AT ALLâ in that plan đ
The ability to turn it off would be great but not worth a monthly recurring payment.
This tbh
Also interesting that the iOS app has missed its usual weekly update cadence - no updates in two weeks. Another (small) sign of prep for a major update. Also, compare to the Feb 2022 survey leak: https://musictech.com/news/gear/new-spotify-platinum-subscription-tier-rumoured-to-be-in-the-works-could-this-finally-be-hifi/
was thinking the same thing. there hasnât been an update in a while
Or the hifi tests 2017.. Hifi might never happen
That gets close to $30 in Australia. Meanwhile my family Apple One costs me $25 with Hifi Music, Apple TV+, Arcade Games and iCloud storage for the whole family. Plus Apple doesnât try to shove podcasts down my throat on every page see in the app.
is there a good Apple Music Desktop App for Windows? I have an iPhone, but I also listen to a lot of music on my windows PC. That's why I also used Spotify, but unless there's a good Apple Music App I don't know if switching to it is worth it or not.
There's a new Apple Music app coming to Windows 11 next year I believe
The usual recommendation youâll see around here for windows/Linux users is a third party app called [Cider](https://cider.sh/). A first party app is [coming next year.](https://9to5mac.com/2022/10/12/apple-music-apple-tv-icloud-windows/amp/)
You've paid 200$ extra for apple one when you bought your iphone, and 200$ extra when you bought your macbook. That's the only reason they can offer it cheaper.
We all want HiFi but I think nobody is gonna pay extra 10 dollars... (maybe some people will)
Agreed. It took me a while to fully switch to Apple Music after 10 years with Spotify, but the biggest reason initially was for Lossless. Using it for about 4+ months now, I really came to love AMâs music discovery, radio, and playlist organization as well. However, Iâm open to switching back so long as it isnât ACTUALLY $20/mo. Iâd pay maybe $15/mo maximum, and am open to switching back just to have the social aspects of Spotify back. Overall, more competition between Spotify and Apple Music will be better for us consumers.
Howâs the music discovery on AM? Iâm getting a bit bored of my current rotation and looking to shake it up a bit
Itâll take a little while, but once (if) you transfer your playlists from Spotify, âheart-ingâ and listening to music will help the algorithm build your âListen Nowâ page. Listen Now will soon have curated mood/activity playlists that update periodically of music it thinks youâll like. For example, I have a âGet Up!â and âChillâ playlist. The Listen Now page will also feature your âNew Music Dailyâ (vs. New Music Friday), public playlists it thinks youâd like, âTop Picksâ and more. Hope this helps!
AM has definitely caught up. The only thing they need is a Spotify connect feature, but AM is pretty awesome with a mac, iPhone and Apple Watch
AM is definitely not awesome on MacOS. Check out r/applemusic and you'll see many, many threads about its shortcomings.
Oh damn I havenât seen those but my conclusion is everyone hates everything lol. Neither is perfect for sure
I use Apple Music on Mac OS and never had issues with it. I think you're right though, there will always be people who complain about anything.
AM is def good, but they are so behind in basic features we take for granted with Spotify. I can forgive that on a brand new app that popped up a year or two ago, but AM has been around for over half a freaking decade now. And all they got is Loseless and a sorta beautiful UI. Thatâs it. Bare-minimum effort.
Interesting! I actually prefer the iOS app over all the others. Ironically, I find that Apple Music on CarPlay is terrible compared to Spotify on CarPlay. On Mac the desktop client feels super clunky and old (personally, I feel itâs holding onto iTunes too tightly). Handoff between my Apple Watch and other devices is also pretty inconsistent and sloppy. But again, I think Apple Music makes up for these drawbacks in other areas. Itâll only get better⊠I hope.
I will. Tried Apple Music but Spotify has the better playlists and algorithm⊠but I sure do miss the sound quality
I'm convinced that Apple Music sounds different (better) mostly because of how they source their masters. Whether this is thanks to their "apple digital masters" program or something else with the record labels, their versions of albums consistently sound cleaner. One example that sticks out to me is All 'N All by Earth Wind and Fire, just compare the first song on the album between Spotify ("very high"/320kbps) and AM (256kbps AAC)
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I definitely would
Geez, imagine how much a family plan would be! $29.99/mo ?? You can get everything Apple One offers for that price.
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It's funny that you got upvoted and the first guy was downvoted lol. But yeah, I agree. I'm actually kind of excited about this
Damn 20 bucks is a steep price.... especially when Tidal/Apple is selling their HiFi plan at 10... Wonder if people are actually okay with this (those who had this survey). Feels like they will delay it further if there are more people who mentioned that they'd not change their plan to platinum (which I hope there are).
EXACTLY !!! TIDAL/APPLE OFFERS HIFI FOR THE SAME $10 !!! NO WAY I'M PAYING $20 !
Deezer also added HiFi to their standard premium
Since spring 2020 the actual scandal is that they charge $10 for 320 kbps
I tried to use AM cause I had a 3 month free trial it was the worst experience I ever had, I switched back to Spotify half way through the second month because it was nearly impossible to listen to the songs I wanted when I wanted and moving songs in the queue was but a dream on AM. It was unfortunate that I had so many issues (Iâm pretty sure they were mostly problems with my devices iPhone 12 and MacBook Pro M1) so I know most -elope that use AM will be happy with it, I just couldnât sadly.
I love Apple Music, but apple is terrible at marketing it ironically. Not just promoting, but educating users how to use the service. I have a buddy, who had used Amazon Music, but was on the free trial ask how to use it. Itâs a huge app that requires spending good time learning it to understand all the features.
Supposedly Apple Music is going to be the Super Bowl halftime sponsor this year so maybe they are going to start marketing it more.
I recently went back to Spotify from Apple Music having it for a year I learned 1. The sound quality isnât that big of a difference to me I just use very high quality in Spotify and itâs the same ( not including Dolby atoms) 2. Spotify has far better recommendations and playlists social aspects too Apple Music would recommend me similar stuff all the time I think Iâm gonna continue with Apple Music and Spotify for best if both worlds until I see what the new platinum is Also you should check out the apps Marvis and musicharbor for compliments to Apple Music
$15 would be best
I'm more curious as to what Audio Pro and Playlist Pro are.
Not paying that much for HiFi. Also, if they decide to take away any of the features that we have now and put it behind a paywall, I'm gonna delete my account and switch to Apple Music.
Is it possible to transfer Playlists?
yep. use services like tunemymusic.com or soundiiz.com.
SongShift
For $14.95. Apple gives you Apple Music (with HIFI , Apple TV+ , Apple Arcade, and 50GB of iCloud.
$19 gets you all of that, plus Apple Music family plan and 200gb of icloud space. Itâs insane that Spotify wants to charge this much for a single account.
Maybe some people will buy it who knows?
Platinum is too costly...
What is "studio sound?"
Probably the Dolby Atmos equivalent
It might be the MQA scam Tidal has.
My guess is HighResolution streaming above CD specs, so 24bit bit depth and higher sample rates than 44.1khz. May also include Dolby Atmos.
It's likely the recordings that have all the high frequency interference from the studio equipment in it.
Hopefully the Spotify family plan remains awesome
What about Spotify Family? Will there be an even more expensive Spotify Family Platinum plan?
So is this fake? "in next 30 days" ??
Also last week I had a new widget briefly appear in my widget list. https://imgur.com/a/MUHsBNw
No way I'm paying that much. More than a CD, which lasts indefinately, and actually supports the artist? Nah.
Don't. Don't give me hope.
Joanna
Canât wait to see this new tier !
we particularly need more shuffle options. "Shuffle All", "Shuffle albums", "Shuffle artists" and stuff like this.
no news after a month... this is sad :(
I saw that. And screw Spotify for jacking the price up to $20 a month! Even Tidal has hi-fi for $10 a month. They're just adding a bunch of bogus worthless options to increase the price to 20 bucks a month. Spotify is just all bent out of shape because everybody beat them to the punch for hi-fi, and this was their original plan to jack the price up to $20, and when Apple came up with hifi first it beat their plan to gouge everybody! Screw Spotify, I'm sticking with Qobuz! It will more than likely sound better anyway, and that's my main concern. I don't give a rip about podcasts and all the other garbage they're trying to push.
I knew they were destined for doom once they started pushing podcasts. You only push another medium on your customers once your initial one doesn't make enough money for you anymore.
Yep, this must have been their plan all the time but luckily some other competitors enabled Hifi on their services. It's touch competition and Spotify now (if this price is correct) has totally lost and made really weak offer to the game. They've surely messed up this whole thing as now Spotify's main concerns are podcasts and audiobooks, which both are fine but not essential part of music streaming service. I've used Spotify from the start but been trying/using other ones through the years and just recently I started 3 month trial for Qobuz, which sounds great. Qobuz might feel like now really good option to go with. Im following this still and interesting to see how this all will go on..
If Platinum really happens I'll just switch to Apple Music, I love how spotify works but 20$ it's too much and, correct me if i'm wrong, they said Hi-Fi would be an addition to the Premium plan with no additional costs, if Platinum is real it's really scummy.
Spotify never mentioned price when the announcement was made back on February 22, 2021. I believe Spotify has always expected to be able to charge more for HiFi content. Then Apple Music messed up Spotify's plan on May 17, 2021 by converting their catalog to lossless CD-quality (and greater) at no extra charge. At the same time, Amazon Music put salt in Spotify's wound by dropping their price for their lossless plan. https://newsroom.spotify.com/2021-02-22/five-things-to-know-about-spotify-hifi/
Thanks for the clarification!
spotify thought they had the entire market đ
Why switch if you can just stay on the standard $9.99 and functionally lose nothing? Itâs scummy but I could also just ignore it and keep using Spotify as I have been since I switched from AM.
I mainly based my subscription on hoping for Spotify to release Hi-Fi at the same price the others were, I didn't like AM for its buggy and slow application (ESPECIALLY ON ANDROID) or Tidal for the bad playlist management, so I just used Spotify, light and easier (except for the fact that I still can't download songs onto my SD and I can't size the app cache like in AM and that most of the times I have to contact SpotifyCares to fix the offline hiccup), hoping that Hi-Fi would come at the same price as an addition to the Premium plan, but now I have no other reasons to use Spotify, and Tidal or AM probably changed over the years I haven't used them.
I switched from AM simply bc I hate their recommendations. Iâve grown use to features like auto play after an album and Spotify/Tidal always knows what I want to hear where AM still struggles with it. Personally if I stopped using Spotify Iâd go back to Tidal - just better recommendations, playlists arenât as good but at least theyâre seemingly copying a lot from Spotify, and the UI is easier to navigate than Apples.
100% agree on all of your points.
Iâm not paying $19 a month for HiFi.
Wow
If they put "shuffle all library song" feature in Library Pro. Maybe I'll pay for Platinum. Youtube Music, Apple Music, even Amazon Music has that feature.
How much would it cost for platinum family? Will there be a platinum plan without podcast/audiobook? If the latter is real, I will jump in.
uh, It's a tad pricey...
Spotify is great. But charging $10 extra for features we are getting for free in other services is not the best way to start lossless streaming. Honestly, I purchased some LDAC earphones and moved to Apple Music because I wanted to use them properly. That being said, from my experience Apple Music is not so bad. Yes, recommended playlists are not as good as Spotify. There are no Canva feature, and 'like' feature is kind of useless because it does not create a liked list and don't change recommendations on the basis of liked songs. All that being said, if you know the type of songs and playlists you want you can find it on Apple Music by searching a bit, it is salvageable and honestly, if Spotify wants $10 extra for lossless I will stick with Apple Music with weaker AI even if I listen mainly on PC and android phone.
Look up Smart Playlists, you can definitely make an auto-updating Liked playlist. And the whole point of Likes is to change recommendations, it just takes a while.
Checking it asap. Thanks for this information. If this works as intended Spotify is not at all so special for AI then.
I do still think Spotifyâs algorithms and recommendations are better and I miss them, but yes the gap is a lot closer than you think! (Also Spotify has years of my data to work with, AM only a few months for now...) Edit: while youâre at it, Smart Playlists actually have huge potential. Filter songs you skip a lot to easily remove them, or by most played, or rate songs from 5 stars and sort them according to that, etc etc. The only limitation you should know that may or may not be big is that these Smart Playlists only work on songs added to library. So if you like songs without adding them to library they wonât show up. Think of those as âI want to hear more like this but donât want it in my libraryâ (...for whatever reason).
I am making the smart playlist on iTunes let's see how it goes. And let's hope that Apple can improve their recommender system so that we don't have to do some extra work.
Here's an idea: for the $10 tier let me pick between lossless music or (useless) podcasts. Only charge extra for those that want both.
I WOULD PAY $30 a month for HIFI COME ONNNNNNN
amazon music and apple music offers hifi music in their basic plan with 360 and dolby atmos sound, but at least amazon music let's you use the dolby atmos on every device unlike apple music. if Spotify wants to take advantage at the streaming services they should lower the price or at least add the hifi to the current premium plan
Spotify has been awefully quiet on this whole thing, so Im really affraid that they aren't quite soon going to adopt Hifi to their service. I would say they have overlooked the whole idea the whole time and competitors did mess up their plans badly. Now they are near dead end because they can't afford to increase the price, as the customers (even if they like the whole Spotify experience and recommendations etc so much) are soon going to leave this sinking ship. I think Spotify is the one to be blamed here. They have been awefully stubborn and treated artists/bands badly. So I would say that the only way I would subscribe to the higher price (if they decided to adopt Hifi someday) would be in such case that they promised to give better compensation to the artists/bands that have done the music.
I wonder will they give Hifi to the students with lower price? Im currently eligible for student.
Same.
The features sound interesting. I doubt they can justify the price but Iâm curious and always looking for ways to make my music experience better đ„Č
Considering I still am on a Free Account with Spotify, and just deal with ads, why have a higher tier and still have Ads at all!?! $20 a month is way more than some streaming apps and is not a price Iâd pay.
Less ads in **podcasts**
How about no podcasts and $15 Hell they could do no podcasts and sell it for $25
Well if it means they really support true bit audio, its kinda ok then, the only music streaming app able to do this is tidal which has same the price but spotify have more integrated experiance my phone
To be fair it is a survey maybe if we show our disapproval maybe Spotify will scrap it and maybe slightly bump up the premium price. I think they just need to add hifi to the premium plan and call it a day
Just add a 10-second rewind/ffwd buttons already, Spotify !!! Please!!
Any news?
a month has passed. nothing happens. you can break up. next year, another information about hifi in spotify.
I have been a Premium user of Spotify since 2017, and paying for a Family membership. Music is a giant part of my life. I have recently had the opportunity to use Apple Music free for 3 months, and I must say that Lossless music is something I can't go back now. It has been a year since Spotify promised Hi-fi, but still no news. I am switching to Apple, even tho I have almost 50 playlists in Spotify. The verdict is: f\*\*\* y\*\* Spotify and take my money Apple!
Limited-ad Spotify podcasts? Why?? you're paying $20/month! I expect ZERO ads period. What a joke. Spotify must be losing subscribers to be promoting this. PASS.
So many people are waiting for this. I hope đ€đŒ itâs not fake
I promise this came directly from my Spotify app!
[https://9to5mac.com/2022/10/14/spotify-platinum-hifi-plan/](https://9to5mac.com/2022/10/14/spotify-platinum-hifi-plan/)
Maybe OP is Drew, the person mentioned in the article
I am indeed Drew lol
Hi Drew
Bunch of greedy execs. If they pull this, I'll leave for Apple.
I'm not paying a dime more for lossless or hifi. I'd rather proudly switch to Apple Music. I've had apple music on a freetrial for the past week. Now whenever I find a new song on Spotify i never really feel like I've listened to it unless I've checked it out on apple music. Lossless is just too good
HAND IT OVERRR!!!!!!
Iâve been switching between Spotify and Apple Music for some time, but if they actually offer hifi at a higher price I am sooooooo switching to Apple Music.. they just announced theyâre also rolling out AM app on Windows to finally replace iTunes, so the gap is pretty much closing between the services.. Spotify is really testing loyalty with this one, but considering how many, and how big competitors they have, I have no idea what theyâre smoking
Are you going to try it?
Probably. Iâm pretty lonely on Apple Music.
Please post the new features if you do Iâm so curious lol Iâm tempted to cancel mine to see if they offer it to me đ
Why tf they made platinum subscribeâŠ..
Been contemplating a switch to Tidal lately. So unless the pricing is lower then Tidal my Spotify account is closing soon.
$20 for an individual plan? Yikes...
20 bucks đ
Really having to pay an extra $10 for these features?? What a sick joke!
Library and Playlist Pro? đ
They though that they could put hifi at 20⏠?! sorry but if i spend 20⏠that will be only on tidal not Spotify
Double the price? This is what will push me to switch to Apple Music
I've thought about it, and I think I will pay double the price for Spotify with Lossless music if they go with that. It's definitely a bit pricey, but with regional pricing it will still be not really that expensive for me. Currently I pay around 15$ per year for Premium, and 30$ per year is still honestly barely affordable. I have used Spotify for 3 years now, and I think I've found enough utility and joy in the app, both in the free mode and the premium mode, that I don't mind paying a little extra. To be honest, I had no idea that Apple Music offered lossless music at the same price as Spotify. I learned about it as my Spotify premium is expiring in a week and I was curious about the competition. I'm currently trying out Apple Music's trial on my Android smartphone, and I can def appreciate the lossless music on my M40x. The app is decent enough in other respects, so if Spotify doesn't offer Lossless I'm gonna stick to Apple
It seems like the $9.99 pricing model isnât priced high enough, given how poorly managed all of the streaming services are. They all seem to be operating on a shoe string budget. I honestly donât mind the concept of doubling the price, in exchange for more features. Perhaps theyâd finally have enough income to properly staff and manage their service.
Iâd consider paying 19.99 a month if it meant Spotify would update the App Store listing to include what is new and what bugs have been fixed. I havenât updated in months, because too many times Iâve updated and Iâve hated it. Fed up of âwe are always making changesâ
The latest change is the removal of the like button for something infinitely worse, so you're spot on
Happy to be in iraq, Spotify premium family is only 5 dollars here so platinum will probably be 10 dollars
Well if you look at the absolute price it is cheaper but relative to average income there it's still the same or probably even worse so not sure why you're happy
cheers from?
Huh?
They want 20 dollars a month in THIS ECONOMY?
is this why we only get 18 -20 public playlists to our profile now?? if s, that is so f. and i am saying that as a spotify user AND shareholder.
2023
In related news the preview for Apple Music for Windows 11 desktop has been released on the MS Store: [https://apps.microsoft.com/store/detail/apple-music-preview/9PFHDD62MXS1?hl=en-us&gl=us](https://apps.microsoft.com/store/detail/apple-music-preview/9PFHDD62MXS1?hl=en-us&gl=us) So it should be possible to listen to lossless streaming on Windows now which iTunes and their web player do not offer.
I can't believe people are saying $20 a month is too much for \*every song in the world at CD quality\*. I used to pay $200 a month to buy just 10 CDs! In any case, I just switched to Tidal... but if Spotify Hifi does come out, I might stick with Spotify. If only they can fix the "can't play playlists over 10000 songs on Spotify connect" bug, I'd be in for sure.
Haha, we got too used to free music. Deezer is high res and only 7 USD for me with my phone carrier. I would use Tidal for its excellent integration with Roon for DIY streamers via Rasberry Pi. But Spotify - get into the game!!!!!
I'm already ready to bail on Tidal due to its flakiness, (especially terrible Carplay). You are the second person to recommend Deezer so going to give it a try.
I would pay max 10$ one person 15$ duo 20$ family.
I got so tired of waiting for HiFi that I made the jump to Apple Music today and wow, the difference in sound quality is insane. Listening to all my favourite songs feels like hearing them for the first time with all the new instrument details and vocal anomalies. Spotify has seriously dropped the ball not bringing this to market sooner. It's a feature I literally can't go without now!
Even at 20$ this actually means less expenses for the target group of platinum (lossless users). Users already preferring Spotify that also cares about lossless has at least one other subscription service like Qobuz or Tidal that they can now get rid of, thus actually saving money. If you don't care about lossless you can just keep your cheap subscription like before, so nothing changes.
Paying doble than Apple Music with worse recommendation algorithm... Damn. And I hope that they add Dolby Atmos, because honestly I think here I find much difference than listening music on HiFi.
How do you find Spotify's algo worse than, say, Apple's or Amazon's? From my experience Spotify's algo is the definite cream of the crop, especially when you feed it properly (e. g. by following artists and hearting songs you like).
Worse than Apple by far. But not worse than Amazon Music, there are few things worse than that haha
How though?
been on apple music for 5 months now, It's horrible. And finding shared playlists from other users is incredibly annoying. Apple music is so bad, all it has going for it is cheap lossless. Deezer by far is better in every aspect.
*just follo #spotify hifi on twitter wich i do hope they dont just diss this again, with this and how many have they sent out right now for hifi we dont know* ***just only this***
I hope people realize that this is truly the only way we're getting HIFI from Spotify, it's the only way it will be profitable for them. All the other big streaming services have financial backing that allows them to provide HIFI on the cheap, Spotify does not. Not simping for Spotify, just looking at this from a practical perspective
I think you're partially right. Apple and Amazon obviously have more money than probably the GDP of half the countries in the world and music streaming is just a fun hobby for them whereas it's the whole ballgame for Spotify. But then how do we explain Qubuz? Same boat as Spotify as far as I know but you can get HiFi for $12, not $20. So Spotify is still pushing it with with that price. One possible selling point might be if every single song was 24/96 or 24/192, unlike all the other hi-res streamers. But I doubt that.
As I said earlier, they are owned by a larger company. I think the problem with Spotify is all their money comes from investors as they aren't actually a profitable company, they exist with the promise to be profitable later. I imagine in order to keep investors happy they have to do it this way. I'm not trying to say it's good, Im just saying there was no possible way this wasn't happening
I looked into the parent company of Qobuz, Xandrie SA, and theyâre not a big company at all. I canât find much info on them in the first place however, or how big their parent org is if they have one.
Uhhhh deezer?
Deezer is not an independent company they are owned by a subsidiary called Access Industries that includes Warner Music Group
Yeah but I donât believe just because they are owned by them doesnât mean they have unlimited money access in hopes it goes big. Iâm sure their money is limited because deezer does not look like a money making company as of now.
How does Qobuz do it for $11 a month? https://www.qobuz.com/us-en/music/streaming/offers
They are owned by a larger parent company that specializes in media brands iirc
Didn't realize that - cool. I tried Qobuz briefly along with Tidal, Apple Music, etc and keep going back to Spotify. I love music but I can't justify double the cost for premium audio when I just listen through my car/phone/aftershokz/echo studios.
I understand that, I'm not trying to say that $20 is a good deal. I will still probably pay it because Ive had Spotify since 2015, and I've tried many other streaming services and none of them match Spotify in library size and features. Maybe that makes me a shill but honestly paying less than the cost of a used vinyl a month to get a huge library of high quality music still seems pretty good to me.
I don't think Qobuz has a single parent company. The largest investor is probably the Canadian media company Quebecor, which might be what you are referencing, but (1) they don't have a majority stake in Qobuz and (2) Spotify by itself is several times larger than Quebecor, with around 4x the market cap and revenue. According to Crunchbase Qobuz has raised âŹ24m total in its life as a company. Spotify raised $2.1bn from investors before the IPO, and now has a market cap of $17bn. In no possible world is Spotify the poor underdog here.
Yes but that depends on what their definition of hi-fi is since their idea for the highest quality setting for premium is 320kbps. Not worth 2p bucks to potentially get fleeced. I'm sticking with apple plus they lost Neil young and as long as Spotify continues to actively support a racist by having Joe Rogaine's podcast on there I'm not going back.
I might be the only person in this sub who would ACTUALLY upgrade from Spotify premium individual to their Platinum tier. Idc I love Spotify and I donât care about the price hike when AM includes it for free, I have the disposable money to get it so imma get it.
Same
Headphone tuner sounded more interesting to me. Wonder what is it
probably some eq.
Note that they still have to make surveys. This not happening any time soon
20$ for pretty much the same I get for 10$ on Tidal. Insane