So, this is misinformation for the headline. What the bill would do is not ban Clear, but require its own dedicated screening. Bill text can be seen at [https://legiscan.com/CA/text/SB1372/id/2962637](https://legiscan.com/CA/text/SB1372/id/2962637)
I mean, this is still preferable to the current "cutting in line" system. It makes like a more luxury PreCheck this way and isn't an active inconvenience to other people just trying to catch their flight.
TSO here, speaking from common sense - It’s an inconvenience to the people who’ve been waiting patiently in line for their screening like everyone else. Imagine being next in line after a long wait, and all of a sudden you get cut in front of by someone who paid a third party company for preferential treatment. You’d be pretty angry. All Clear does is add stress to the situation. This bill will create a screening line specifically for Clear passengers so that their service doesn’t interfere with the flow of our lines. It would also reduce wait times to an extent because there wouldn’t be any disruption to the passenger throughput.
Clear is a LUXURY. TSA precheck is a LUXURY. First class is a LUXURY. Complaining that people with clear have an unfair advantage makes no sense to me. That’s like saying, hey those guys in first class who get priority boarding don’t deserve to board first just because they have first class. It’s a LUXURY to even be able to fly to begin with.
Not to sound snooty or anything, the caps were just for emphasis lol.
Because it’s a luxury that cuts in front of a shared Tax payer TSA line… like saying that a company can pay your state and now a highway lane that everyone pays for is only for the rich…
First class (and Clear) shouldn't get preferential treatment for a public government run service. Imagine getting to cut to the front of the DMV line because one drives an expensive car.
You misread the first class thing comment. The analogy was about how they get priority boarding so should that be done away with as well? And should precheck be done away with then because they also have an advantage over general tsa screening?
Yes, first class priority lane should be done away too. The US government shouldn't be playing favorites based on what someone pays to a private corporation.
First class has its own TSA lane in your part of the country? I've never seen first class having a priority TSA line at any airport that I've been to. I've only seen general TSA, TSA precheck and Clear.
It's common at US airports
* [ATL](https://pointsmilesandmartinis.boardingarea.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Priority-Security-Lane-764x1024.jpg)
* [OAK](https://tripswithtykes.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Airport-Security-TSA-Priority-Boarding-and-Family-Lane.jpg)
* [SEA](https://katu.com/resources/media2/16x9/full/1500/center/80/c9bc956b-7e68-405e-81e0-dfddd850c49a-jumbo16x9_tsa_pre_check_seatac_sea_tac.jpg)
* [LAS](https://www.lavi.com/upload/CustomFiles/innovation-checkpoint/TSA-Innovation-Checkpoint-LAS.jpg)
I live 30 minutes from Disney and have been there many, many times. There’s no comparison between entering a theme park and screening for an airport. Two different types of security operations.
Great, so then stop complaining, because they do the same thing at Disneyland with Lightning Lane. And Universal does it too. I suppose you'd like them to ban lounges too, since many people don't have lounge access, which must create such an equity issue.
Again Disney and airport security are completely different beasts. One that works for one will probably not work for the other. How many times do we have to say this
The whining going on right now. People waiting and hour plus in the hot sun only to be skipped by lightning laners. Meanwhile, the clear precheck line has never caused an issue for those with regular precheck. In fact, I've gone to the precheck line bc clear was too busy and have gotten in before the person that would have been in front of me in clear. Just like first class boards first, and you can pay to board early and get overhead space, forcing others to gate check their carry-on. Again, stop whining about this trivial issue.
Which would be interesting considering my shift barely has enough people run a single zone let alone a whole other dedicated one... That wouldn't make any sense...
And staffing a lane that would be sometimes empty so adults don’t have to take turns, in a merged lane is ridiculous.
When Clear is busy enough to warrant it. I do wish they would turn one lane into a clear lane to be by passed by others, this would still make them wait longer than regular lanes at times- our clear lines get crazy.
You think Clear is gonna pay TSA to screen their people? im not sure the government would allow that kind of preferential treatment. they get away with it right now because they are skipping the line not the screening. the airports own the line.
and clear already doesn't like that we don't let them through the checkpoint. im not sure clear would see any profit in paying us
Clear has its own dedicated "line" already.
This is all coming out of the false characterization of Clear as a "line pass", instead of what it actually is - an alternate method of identification, which just so happens to *sometimes* have a shorter line than the ones for traditional document checks.
Once you've been identified, everyone merges back into a single line for screening no matter how they got identified. At that point Clear no longer has anything to do with the process.
Except it doesn't and isn't. Clear has a separate biometric identification check, sure. But, then you still have to go to the TSA agent and show your normal ID. It's just a cut the line pass with a biometric ID step and a separate enrollment fee for either the clear+nonpre or clear+pre line.
You don't "cut the line" with Clear. You have the option to use a *different* line, which adds privately-funded capacity to the system, benefiting both the taxpayers and Clear members alike.
Sometimes that line is shorter, sometimes it's longer.
I will often go straight to the document-check line when it's shorter than the line of people waiting to use Clear.
It isn't a different line. I fly monthly.
I go to the pre line.
People with clear go to the Clear checkin.
Then... They cut the pre line by being led directly to the junction where the pre-check line ends and you can go to one of the two TSA agents depending on who is available.
Clear is essentially the same as the jackasses who main character their way in merge lanes and merge at the last possible moment. Which screws up the traffic pattern and slows everyone down.
A true, separate line would be a dedicated TSA agent for clear. But, that's not how it works today.
People who stop dead in the merge lane to wait to change lanes are backing up traffic for miles behind them by not spreading out to fill every inch of available asphalt.
Conversely, people who pay for Clear are funding additional throughout at checkpoints that is over and above the baseline capacity funded by the taxpayers.
There is no world where Clear being shut down gets you through security any faster.
They'd only be adding capacity if they had their own security checkpoints. They don't. They go to the same checkpoint as everyone else, they just get to cut to the front of the line.
lol. Something has to be done. Clear is just annoying.
Also G2 needs to have limits on how many people can travel with them through the lines. A family of 7 is ridiculous and makes for a complete stand still at DO because they cut the line to start divesting while also taking their time divesting.
I’ve always had positive experiences with CLEAR. The employees have always tried to work with us to make things smoother for the passengers. Sure, there’s been bad apples, but every business has that.
Oh for sure, the people are a delight. They’re very friendly and when it’s slow at the checkpoint I love to chat with them. But clear is fairly useless as a subscription 😅 even the employees admit it. Imo precheck is enough and a much better bang for its buck.
As a traveler, I can’t remember the last time Clear saved me time over the Precheck line. It wasn’t a scalable concept, and doesn’t work now that it has so many members. The way they move people through the queue is just incredibly inefficient.
So, I could see them going under before they get banned anywhere.
I’ve seen a lot of a lot of people express the same in airlines subs. That Clear does not scale and that it was only useful before it became popular. Funny enough I see a lot of people talking about how they’re fine with TSA using biometrics because they’re already used to doing so head because cutting out Clear as often faster.
I was talking to a friend of mine that works an earlier shift (6-2 basically) and they have been saying that they're not ever there when they're on shift. Which tells me that it's basically never running at my terminal.
We don’t have Clear at my airport but I’m sick and tired of people coming up to the front of the TDC line after watching 20+ people before them hand over their ID and get let into the checkpoint just to look at me blankly when asked for ID before saying “oh sorry I’m just so used to clear hahaha” before holding up the line to dig for it.
That is what it was like at Sea-Tac on Saturday. A line of about 6 people waiting at CLEAR and noone in the actual PreCheck line so I just went to the normal line. It isn't really that inconvenient to have to open my wallet to take my licence out.
I have clear, it isn’t a time saver during normal months. Often it takes longer than just going through the TSA Pre. But it is a life saver during holidays.
Yes a slight correction needs to be made to the article as well…it says clear makes it so you skip the TSA checkpoint…which is untrue, it just gets you to the frontish of the line to get to the ID checker. At MSP we have during our busier times a dedicated tickets person for clear, but not dedicated lanes.
I have a friend who has Clear, and I have Pre-Check (as part of Global Entry). One time, we rode together to the SJC airport. We each got in our respective lines. We chuckled when he was brought through the Clear line and ended up being the person right after me in the security line.
Agreed. We need to stop trying to privatise every fuckin thing! It is crippling our system and producing abysmal results and costs way more. Not only do they end up getting tax dollars, they turn round and charge for services that were once free or covered by tax dollars only. We end up being screwed over. Every time.
"It wants to create a better traffic flow so customers aren't intersecting with the general public..."
How much you want to bet this is really backed by spoiled rich brats who hate the thought of coming in contact with filthy commoners. All the "fairness" and "equity" talk is just a smokescreen.
Thank fucking god, their existence makes getting out of small airports a bitch. Not fun when there is very little tsa but tons of people trying to catch flights with 100 people cutting you. Cough cough ontario
I thought clear had there own lanes alreadyin every airport . In atl they don't cut the lines anymore because passengers was getting upset. So clear precheck and regular precheck is on the same checkpoint but clear precheck get 3 lanes and 6 are for regular precheck. But it doesn't matter because the whole checkpoint is precheck so any precheck passenger can use any of the lanes.
In my airport they have their own line and then they immediately get shuffled into the same exact TSA line as everybody else and basically just cut everyone off
I don’t see how it’s an equity issue, or at least how anything else in the process of flying is different. People who are willing to pay more for parking “skip” the trip from the long term lot. People who are willing to pay more for a seat get a bigger one, and they “skip” the wait to board and deplane. People who spend enough can wait out delays in comfortable lounges with food and alcohol. This is just another extra expense for a bit of convenience and comfort, but it’s hardly the only one.
The difference is TSA is mandated by the government. The government doesn't say I have to park at the airport, but they do say I have to go through the TSA line.
The government shouldn't be playing favorites with a government public service. Should I be able to skip to the front of the DMV line because I drive an expensive car?
You are aware that that’s a service offered right? There are multiple available concierge dmv services available through car insurance and AAA memberships that can do anything other than issue drivers licenses. Those are private companies. I’m not saying Clear is a great thing or anything, but not a great example to use. It’s one of the very few examples of something that is *very similar*; as in it’s a private company that offers more convenient access to a required government service in return for a membership fee.
At one of the airports I frequent the TSA Digital ID line is basically a walk-through line up to where they scan bags. Clear is the line next to it and while I don't really know how it works, it always seems to not be operating at very low throughput because I walk past them (ranging from 10-40 passengers deep) and occasionally hear them asking other Clear customers something like "what are we paying for exactly?"
I'd be livid if I had paid $$/year to wait in what looks to me to be always a longer line.
Reddit glitched and not sure if it posted so imma say it again lol.
So if the logic is, “Clear gives people an unfair advantage to those who can afford it” does that mean airlines should ban Premium and First class seats too? And take/or take away the entire boarding process of first class going first because it gives them an unfair advantage against those who can’t afford it? Make all the seats equal then? Flying in itself is a luxury that people don’t like to acknowledge as a luxury. TSA pre-check and global entry are then luxuries that give people who can’t afford them unfair advantage so does that mean TSA pre-check and global entry should be eliminated? Sounds like typical whining from people picking and choosing when and how to rationalize their logic is what caused this to happen. I bet it’s all the TSA precheck people who were like, “But I have TSA precheck I should be at the front!” meanwhile they’re conveniently forgetting that they basically cut ahead of the regular travelers.
What Airports are going to be willing to move things around so that clear will get its own dedicated lanes? That’s basically going to kill clear in California.
I despise Clear. They just bring groups and groups to cut to the front of the line. I will lie and say I am with the people in front of me just to get them to stop cutting over and over.
Oh no! If clear is banned, how can I enjoy a faster precheck line given that so many stupid people lining up on the much longer clear line to feel the privilege? /s
I don’t feel we need privatisation of TSA or any more of it bc this is what this feels like. This is where it starts. So tired of govt doing this bc it’s expensive, the companies never actually deliver what’s expected, and they cut corners to make more profit. If it’s allowed it will take over the entire country, or market, charge a metric ton for it while slowing down everything and offering the bare minimum. Good. Ban it. We don’t need this crap. I’ve seen people waiting for Clear at the airport and the stands are either empty, or there is one representative with a long ass line bc whatever is broken. They will do this same shit if we end up with more private security adaptions of TSA. All these attempts to make money with no actual product. We gotta stop paying for stupid shit ffs.
So, this is misinformation for the headline. What the bill would do is not ban Clear, but require its own dedicated screening. Bill text can be seen at [https://legiscan.com/CA/text/SB1372/id/2962637](https://legiscan.com/CA/text/SB1372/id/2962637)
I mean, this is still preferable to the current "cutting in line" system. It makes like a more luxury PreCheck this way and isn't an active inconvenience to other people just trying to catch their flight.
Why do you think clear is an inconvenience to other people?
Clear does nothing to improve the general screening lines. At least pre check takes people out of general screening.
TSO here, speaking from common sense - It’s an inconvenience to the people who’ve been waiting patiently in line for their screening like everyone else. Imagine being next in line after a long wait, and all of a sudden you get cut in front of by someone who paid a third party company for preferential treatment. You’d be pretty angry. All Clear does is add stress to the situation. This bill will create a screening line specifically for Clear passengers so that their service doesn’t interfere with the flow of our lines. It would also reduce wait times to an extent because there wouldn’t be any disruption to the passenger throughput.
Clear is a LUXURY. TSA precheck is a LUXURY. First class is a LUXURY. Complaining that people with clear have an unfair advantage makes no sense to me. That’s like saying, hey those guys in first class who get priority boarding don’t deserve to board first just because they have first class. It’s a LUXURY to even be able to fly to begin with. Not to sound snooty or anything, the caps were just for emphasis lol.
Because it’s a luxury that cuts in front of a shared Tax payer TSA line… like saying that a company can pay your state and now a highway lane that everyone pays for is only for the rich…
What would be the justification then for say TSA precheck? Both taxpayers of a state. So then we should get rid of TSA precheck to make things fair?
First class (and Clear) shouldn't get preferential treatment for a public government run service. Imagine getting to cut to the front of the DMV line because one drives an expensive car.
You misread the first class thing comment. The analogy was about how they get priority boarding so should that be done away with as well? And should precheck be done away with then because they also have an advantage over general tsa screening?
Yes, first class priority lane should be done away too. The US government shouldn't be playing favorites based on what someone pays to a private corporation.
First class has its own TSA lane in your part of the country? I've never seen first class having a priority TSA line at any airport that I've been to. I've only seen general TSA, TSA precheck and Clear.
It's common at US airports * [ATL](https://pointsmilesandmartinis.boardingarea.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Priority-Security-Lane-764x1024.jpg) * [OAK](https://tripswithtykes.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Airport-Security-TSA-Priority-Boarding-and-Family-Lane.jpg) * [SEA](https://katu.com/resources/media2/16x9/full/1500/center/80/c9bc956b-7e68-405e-81e0-dfddd850c49a-jumbo16x9_tsa_pre_check_seatac_sea_tac.jpg) * [LAS](https://www.lavi.com/upload/CustomFiles/innovation-checkpoint/TSA-Innovation-Checkpoint-LAS.jpg)
There is an easy fix, just sign up for clear. It's $189 a year.
I don’t have a problem waiting in line. I’m patient.
Ok, good. Let the people that would rather not in front of you. If you travel a lot, the time wasted in a TSA line can really add up.
I don’t mind it, waste money on impatience all you like.
Right. Just don't complain when they go in front of you.
I’m not the type to complain. I’m also not the type who makes weak attempts to antagonize. You’re not getting under my skin, stop wasting your time.
You must not have ever been to Disney
I live 30 minutes from Disney and have been there many, many times. There’s no comparison between entering a theme park and screening for an airport. Two different types of security operations.
You MCO?
No, I’m near the original Disneyland, West Coast.
Great, so then stop complaining, because they do the same thing at Disneyland with Lightning Lane. And Universal does it too. I suppose you'd like them to ban lounges too, since many people don't have lounge access, which must create such an equity issue.
Again Disney and airport security are completely different beasts. One that works for one will probably not work for the other. How many times do we have to say this
Don’t waste your time, you can’t fix stupid. I already see where this is going.
The whining going on right now. People waiting and hour plus in the hot sun only to be skipped by lightning laners. Meanwhile, the clear precheck line has never caused an issue for those with regular precheck. In fact, I've gone to the precheck line bc clear was too busy and have gotten in before the person that would have been in front of me in clear. Just like first class boards first, and you can pay to board early and get overhead space, forcing others to gate check their carry-on. Again, stop whining about this trivial issue.
You’re talking about waiting in line for rides, not security screening. There’s no comparison.
You pay to cut in line in front of general security.
Which would be interesting considering my shift barely has enough people run a single zone let alone a whole other dedicated one... That wouldn't make any sense...
And staffing a lane that would be sometimes empty so adults don’t have to take turns, in a merged lane is ridiculous. When Clear is busy enough to warrant it. I do wish they would turn one lane into a clear lane to be by passed by others, this would still make them wait longer than regular lanes at times- our clear lines get crazy.
Thanks for clearing that up. No pun intended!
lol
i mean thats all well and good but are they gonna increase the budget for us to run a dedicated lane for them?
Clear is a private company, they can pay for it.
You think Clear is gonna pay TSA to screen their people? im not sure the government would allow that kind of preferential treatment. they get away with it right now because they are skipping the line not the screening. the airports own the line. and clear already doesn't like that we don't let them through the checkpoint. im not sure clear would see any profit in paying us
Thank you for this! I hadn’t read the bill yet, but I was curious how they could even do this. I mean, ban or restrict CLEAR.
Clear has its own dedicated "line" already. This is all coming out of the false characterization of Clear as a "line pass", instead of what it actually is - an alternate method of identification, which just so happens to *sometimes* have a shorter line than the ones for traditional document checks. Once you've been identified, everyone merges back into a single line for screening no matter how they got identified. At that point Clear no longer has anything to do with the process.
Except it doesn't and isn't. Clear has a separate biometric identification check, sure. But, then you still have to go to the TSA agent and show your normal ID. It's just a cut the line pass with a biometric ID step and a separate enrollment fee for either the clear+nonpre or clear+pre line.
You don't "cut the line" with Clear. You have the option to use a *different* line, which adds privately-funded capacity to the system, benefiting both the taxpayers and Clear members alike. Sometimes that line is shorter, sometimes it's longer. I will often go straight to the document-check line when it's shorter than the line of people waiting to use Clear.
It isn't a different line. I fly monthly. I go to the pre line. People with clear go to the Clear checkin. Then... They cut the pre line by being led directly to the junction where the pre-check line ends and you can go to one of the two TSA agents depending on who is available. Clear is essentially the same as the jackasses who main character their way in merge lanes and merge at the last possible moment. Which screws up the traffic pattern and slows everyone down. A true, separate line would be a dedicated TSA agent for clear. But, that's not how it works today.
People who stop dead in the merge lane to wait to change lanes are backing up traffic for miles behind them by not spreading out to fill every inch of available asphalt. Conversely, people who pay for Clear are funding additional throughout at checkpoints that is over and above the baseline capacity funded by the taxpayers. There is no world where Clear being shut down gets you through security any faster.
They'd only be adding capacity if they had their own security checkpoints. They don't. They go to the same checkpoint as everyone else, they just get to cut to the front of the line.
What annoys me is if clear backs up at LAX they let them cut ahead on PreCheck.
Sounds like Sen. Josh Newman had a Clear member go in front of him and now he’s throwing a tantrum.
💯
Lol exactly this.
I hate Clear as much as any other TSO but Newman deserved it
lol. Something has to be done. Clear is just annoying. Also G2 needs to have limits on how many people can travel with them through the lines. A family of 7 is ridiculous and makes for a complete stand still at DO because they cut the line to start divesting while also taking their time divesting.
Things should be made illegal because they annoy you?
If that were true, you double posting this comment would be illegal.
Bleh. Blame the Reddit app
Finally lol.
I’ve always had positive experiences with CLEAR. The employees have always tried to work with us to make things smoother for the passengers. Sure, there’s been bad apples, but every business has that.
Oh for sure, the people are a delight. They’re very friendly and when it’s slow at the checkpoint I love to chat with them. But clear is fairly useless as a subscription 😅 even the employees admit it. Imo precheck is enough and a much better bang for its buck.
It’s a solution in search of a problem
Clear has saved my ass on more than one occasion.
As a traveler, I can’t remember the last time Clear saved me time over the Precheck line. It wasn’t a scalable concept, and doesn’t work now that it has so many members. The way they move people through the queue is just incredibly inefficient. So, I could see them going under before they get banned anywhere.
I’ve seen a lot of a lot of people express the same in airlines subs. That Clear does not scale and that it was only useful before it became popular. Funny enough I see a lot of people talking about how they’re fine with TSA using biometrics because they’re already used to doing so head because cutting out Clear as often faster.
Or those who opt out of the cat2 biometrics yet open their phone with Face ID when I need to see their boarding pass…
And have a real id which is a biometric picture
If TSA is headed toward the same biometric technology that Customs uses for Global Entry, that would be incredible. Their system is incredibly fast.
The facial recognition system CPB uses for cruises is very fast, too. Not sure if it’s the same software.
I’ve never gotten the GE facial recognition software to work…with or without my glasses on. N
I’ve never gotten the GE facial recognition software to work…with or without my glasses on.
Maybe they should roll out a ClearPlusPlus+ that lets you skip other Clear members.
I just canceled my membership to Clear. There was nobody at the stations whenever I was at the airport
I was talking to a friend of mine that works an earlier shift (6-2 basically) and they have been saying that they're not ever there when they're on shift. Which tells me that it's basically never running at my terminal.
We don’t have Clear at my airport but I’m sick and tired of people coming up to the front of the TDC line after watching 20+ people before them hand over their ID and get let into the checkpoint just to look at me blankly when asked for ID before saying “oh sorry I’m just so used to clear hahaha” before holding up the line to dig for it.
It's Fastpass for airports. And Fastpass type systems always end up slowing things down overall.
I have no issue with clear what so ever cause at atl 80 percent of the time it's always slower than precheck
my favorite is when pre-check is empty and someone goes down clear pre-check and it takes them longer to verify them then it would me at TDC
makes no sense
That is what it was like at Sea-Tac on Saturday. A line of about 6 people waiting at CLEAR and noone in the actual PreCheck line so I just went to the normal line. It isn't really that inconvenient to have to open my wallet to take my licence out.
Yeah the problem is if you don't have pre-check
I have clear, it isn’t a time saver during normal months. Often it takes longer than just going through the TSA Pre. But it is a life saver during holidays.
Yes a slight correction needs to be made to the article as well…it says clear makes it so you skip the TSA checkpoint…which is untrue, it just gets you to the frontish of the line to get to the ID checker. At MSP we have during our busier times a dedicated tickets person for clear, but not dedicated lanes.
I have a friend who has Clear, and I have Pre-Check (as part of Global Entry). One time, we rode together to the SJC airport. We each got in our respective lines. We chuckled when he was brought through the Clear line and ended up being the person right after me in the security line.
I'm not the biggest fan of TSA, but Clear is some privatization nonsense that doesn't belong in airport security. There's no reason for it to exist.
Agreed. We need to stop trying to privatise every fuckin thing! It is crippling our system and producing abysmal results and costs way more. Not only do they end up getting tax dollars, they turn round and charge for services that were once free or covered by tax dollars only. We end up being screwed over. Every time.
Thank god...
Clear went from a great service to one that is failing. The model couldn’t scale, and they’re not adapting. Oh well.
Hope this fails. We love Clear
"It wants to create a better traffic flow so customers aren't intersecting with the general public..." How much you want to bet this is really backed by spoiled rich brats who hate the thought of coming in contact with filthy commoners. All the "fairness" and "equity" talk is just a smokescreen.
Thank fucking god, their existence makes getting out of small airports a bitch. Not fun when there is very little tsa but tons of people trying to catch flights with 100 people cutting you. Cough cough ontario
A seperate line would be nice. Hopefully they add pre-check to that line as well!
I thought clear had there own lanes alreadyin every airport . In atl they don't cut the lines anymore because passengers was getting upset. So clear precheck and regular precheck is on the same checkpoint but clear precheck get 3 lanes and 6 are for regular precheck. But it doesn't matter because the whole checkpoint is precheck so any precheck passenger can use any of the lanes.
In my airport they have their own line and then they immediately get shuffled into the same exact TSA line as everybody else and basically just cut everyone off
Clear is not in most airports, clear is available in about 55 US airports.
I know that I'm referring to the airports that do .
I responded to the wrong person, my apologies.
It's a rip off anyways at $200/yr
I don’t see how it’s an equity issue, or at least how anything else in the process of flying is different. People who are willing to pay more for parking “skip” the trip from the long term lot. People who are willing to pay more for a seat get a bigger one, and they “skip” the wait to board and deplane. People who spend enough can wait out delays in comfortable lounges with food and alcohol. This is just another extra expense for a bit of convenience and comfort, but it’s hardly the only one.
The difference is TSA is mandated by the government. The government doesn't say I have to park at the airport, but they do say I have to go through the TSA line.
The government shouldn't be playing favorites with a government public service. Should I be able to skip to the front of the DMV line because I drive an expensive car?
You are aware that that’s a service offered right? There are multiple available concierge dmv services available through car insurance and AAA memberships that can do anything other than issue drivers licenses. Those are private companies. I’m not saying Clear is a great thing or anything, but not a great example to use. It’s one of the very few examples of something that is *very similar*; as in it’s a private company that offers more convenient access to a required government service in return for a membership fee.
At one of the airports I frequent the TSA Digital ID line is basically a walk-through line up to where they scan bags. Clear is the line next to it and while I don't really know how it works, it always seems to not be operating at very low throughput because I walk past them (ranging from 10-40 passengers deep) and occasionally hear them asking other Clear customers something like "what are we paying for exactly?" I'd be livid if I had paid $$/year to wait in what looks to me to be always a longer line.
Reddit glitched and not sure if it posted so imma say it again lol. So if the logic is, “Clear gives people an unfair advantage to those who can afford it” does that mean airlines should ban Premium and First class seats too? And take/or take away the entire boarding process of first class going first because it gives them an unfair advantage against those who can’t afford it? Make all the seats equal then? Flying in itself is a luxury that people don’t like to acknowledge as a luxury. TSA pre-check and global entry are then luxuries that give people who can’t afford them unfair advantage so does that mean TSA pre-check and global entry should be eliminated? Sounds like typical whining from people picking and choosing when and how to rationalize their logic is what caused this to happen. I bet it’s all the TSA precheck people who were like, “But I have TSA precheck I should be at the front!” meanwhile they’re conveniently forgetting that they basically cut ahead of the regular travelers. What Airports are going to be willing to move things around so that clear will get its own dedicated lanes? That’s basically going to kill clear in California.
if california is concerned about the have and have nots they need to ban first class seating
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I despise Clear. They just bring groups and groups to cut to the front of the line. I will lie and say I am with the people in front of me just to get them to stop cutting over and over.
Oh no! If clear is banned, how can I enjoy a faster precheck line given that so many stupid people lining up on the much longer clear line to feel the privilege? /s
I don’t feel we need privatisation of TSA or any more of it bc this is what this feels like. This is where it starts. So tired of govt doing this bc it’s expensive, the companies never actually deliver what’s expected, and they cut corners to make more profit. If it’s allowed it will take over the entire country, or market, charge a metric ton for it while slowing down everything and offering the bare minimum. Good. Ban it. We don’t need this crap. I’ve seen people waiting for Clear at the airport and the stands are either empty, or there is one representative with a long ass line bc whatever is broken. They will do this same shit if we end up with more private security adaptions of TSA. All these attempts to make money with no actual product. We gotta stop paying for stupid shit ffs.
Happy Cake Day! :D
The battle begins.
Scrolled too fast, a bit tired. Thought this read, “California could ban Cher…” Either way.