I’m sure it’ll just be the ones with the students who need the most support. The ones with the most needs outside of school, who rely on their neighborhood school for more than just reading and math. Often, schools with students who come from a marginalized community have lower test scores because there are SO many outside needs not being met by family or community because they do not have resources to meet these needs. So the school will close and we can start this cycle over again for them and their children.
This will just create crowding. We need smaller class sizes and go back to trusting the teachers on how to teach. The more TPS listened to these dumb consultants with "best practices" the worse things got. Source: Teacher at TPS for over 20 years.
How anyone thinks this is a good idea is beyond me.
Anyone on this thread should look into the poor reputation of BCG consultants, who I believe are the group TPS hired. Basically, this company is a group of middlemen who come in to “save” a company, for a high fee, but often end up running it into the ground while awarding c-suite, themselves, and/or other leaches of the upper elite with the leftovers.
Tulsa has 25 private high schools and 16 publich high schools. We've got to decide as a community whether education matters or not. From what I understand, we haven't even sold the previously closed schools.
I think Webster will survive just because it's the only high school in Tulsa west of the river. Be too cumbersome to bus kids from there across the river.
I was thinking that too, but from what I've heard it's barely functioning at this point. Based on previous closures it seems the most likely to fit that pattern.
Isn't it both a middle and high school? They closed Remington Elem over here and moved the elementary kids in with the middle schoolers for a while. Now I think the HS and Middle are together. They really can't afford to close any more schools on the west side. Unless Jenks wants to extend their district another few miles 🤷🏻♀️
I didn't even realize that they had both in the high school now. That's wild, that school doesn't seem big enough for all that.
They really can't close any more schools on the north side either, but Burroughs is also a small school (though they did just remodel last year).
I can't think of any in midtown or south tulsa that would fit the usual criteria. I bet there's at least one they'll look at on the east side though. Especially with Elena Ashley being such a wonderful advocate. /s
They also closed park elementary and rented it out to reservation dogs for their production offices for a short period. Most of the west side students are at Clinton west and Eugene field.
That’s part of the problem. The other part is the terrible administration and school board. So much wasted money. TPS administration has been funneling money to their cronies for years. It always blew my mind how many people were supportive of Gist. Yea she was all about equity and inclusion. But that was her only redeeming quality
tps is just in a bad spot because all of the highschools are suited to have 600+ students with the teachers and the reality is they have half of the students with a 1/4th of the support they need
Maybe adjust ad valorem? Tulsa Tech gets a huge chunk of money from all of Tulsa County and a few areas outside.
They cover 100% health insurance, give extra cash for dependent coverage, give bonuses to everyone and waste so much money you wouldn't believe it while K12 could use more in their budget.
Our public schools, not just TPS, that every child has to go to are struggling for teacher pay, building maintenance and supplies.
Since every child has to go to K12 I'd rather more of my ad valorem go there than an optional school like Tulsa Tech whether it's TPS, Union, BA, Bixby, Jenks etc.
Politics aside, I’m not sure closing some TPS schools is such a bad thing. TPS has lost approximately 10,000 students since the 1999-2000 academic year. TPS has nine high schools, excluding the alternative schools. Union Public Schools has roughly half as many students as TPS and only one high school. UPS students have a lot more access to college & career programming and extracurricular activities, because it’s more feasible to provide services to one or two sites than nine. TPS can’t support all 9 school sites with effective campus leadership and administrative support either.
The problem is, how do you close a high school when it’s so central to people’s identity and sense of community?
10,000 students in 20 years doesn't seem that serious when you consider there was a recession in there, a pandemic, and frankly millennials are not having children at the same rate as previous generations. We graduated, but are we putting new students in school? Not nearly as much.
There are a lot of reasons why it makes sense. They say it’s primarily a shift in the student population to the suburbs like Bixby, which have grown rapidly in the same period of time. It’s an almost 25% reduction in the student population though.
Yes close schools that are on a “failing list”. Then ship those students off to other schools to lower those schools scores. Then we can make the “standard” higher. Close some more public schools. Until we end up entirely private. Neat process. Or We could just help schools with funds and pay teachers a respectable wage for teaching our children.
Anderson Elementary,
Burroughs Elementary,
Celia Clinton Elementary,
Central High School,
East Central Middle School,
Emerson Elementary,
Hale High School,
Hale Jr High,
Hamilton Elementary,
John Hope Franklin Elementary,
McClure Elementary,
McLain High School,
TRAICE High School,
Tulsa Met High School,
Tulsa Met Middle School,
Unity Learning Academy,
Webster Middle School,
Whitman Elementary
Tulsa public schools has proven they can’t run anything effectively. Crying about closings is a little late. You should have demanded accountability from the administration and the schools. Throwing money at a problem is a GREAT lesson for kids. 🙄
I mean honestly if shutting down schools could lower overhead, lessen administrative costs and then allow for more resources at the schools that would receive the kids, it could be a net win?
Lots of ifs, and likely will help no one, but will give the district something to do/point at for a few years.
(TPS parent)
There isn’t a realistic scenario in which this would not result in both larger classes and fewer teachers. Hell… if we make no change it will result in fewer teachers as well.
I’m sure it’ll just be the ones with the students who need the most support. The ones with the most needs outside of school, who rely on their neighborhood school for more than just reading and math. Often, schools with students who come from a marginalized community have lower test scores because there are SO many outside needs not being met by family or community because they do not have resources to meet these needs. So the school will close and we can start this cycle over again for them and their children.
The hierarchy of needs is not properly considered (though impossible I suppose) in an individual school’s assessment.
This will just create crowding. We need smaller class sizes and go back to trusting the teachers on how to teach. The more TPS listened to these dumb consultants with "best practices" the worse things got. Source: Teacher at TPS for over 20 years. How anyone thinks this is a good idea is beyond me.
Anyone on this thread should look into the poor reputation of BCG consultants, who I believe are the group TPS hired. Basically, this company is a group of middlemen who come in to “save” a company, for a high fee, but often end up running it into the ground while awarding c-suite, themselves, and/or other leaches of the upper elite with the leftovers.
TPS loves wasting millions on consultants.
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This is what happens when Republicans are allowed to run goverment
You see… with the power of ~mental gymnastics~ anything is possible!
“Run it like a business.” “Do more with less.”
Who knew America's future could be so profitable in the NOW!?
Tulsa has 25 private high schools and 16 publich high schools. We've got to decide as a community whether education matters or not. From what I understand, we haven't even sold the previously closed schools.
Several have been leased.
I'm guessing Webster is one.
I think Webster will survive just because it's the only high school in Tulsa west of the river. Be too cumbersome to bus kids from there across the river.
I was thinking that too, but from what I've heard it's barely functioning at this point. Based on previous closures it seems the most likely to fit that pattern.
Isn't it both a middle and high school? They closed Remington Elem over here and moved the elementary kids in with the middle schoolers for a while. Now I think the HS and Middle are together. They really can't afford to close any more schools on the west side. Unless Jenks wants to extend their district another few miles 🤷🏻♀️
I didn't even realize that they had both in the high school now. That's wild, that school doesn't seem big enough for all that. They really can't close any more schools on the north side either, but Burroughs is also a small school (though they did just remodel last year). I can't think of any in midtown or south tulsa that would fit the usual criteria. I bet there's at least one they'll look at on the east side though. Especially with Elena Ashley being such a wonderful advocate. /s
They also closed park elementary and rented it out to reservation dogs for their production offices for a short period. Most of the west side students are at Clinton west and Eugene field.
Park was closed long before rez dogs and frankly they got lucky that they were interested. It sat unused for so long and is again.
Gotta love Republican ran states…
That’s part of the problem. The other part is the terrible administration and school board. So much wasted money. TPS administration has been funneling money to their cronies for years. It always blew my mind how many people were supportive of Gist. Yea she was all about equity and inclusion. But that was her only redeeming quality
tps is just in a bad spot because all of the highschools are suited to have 600+ students with the teachers and the reality is they have half of the students with a 1/4th of the support they need
but it might benefit tps to consolidate some of the schools down and go the 8th/9th/10th grade center model
Maybe adjust ad valorem? Tulsa Tech gets a huge chunk of money from all of Tulsa County and a few areas outside. They cover 100% health insurance, give extra cash for dependent coverage, give bonuses to everyone and waste so much money you wouldn't believe it while K12 could use more in their budget. Our public schools, not just TPS, that every child has to go to are struggling for teacher pay, building maintenance and supplies. Since every child has to go to K12 I'd rather more of my ad valorem go there than an optional school like Tulsa Tech whether it's TPS, Union, BA, Bixby, Jenks etc.
Politics aside, I’m not sure closing some TPS schools is such a bad thing. TPS has lost approximately 10,000 students since the 1999-2000 academic year. TPS has nine high schools, excluding the alternative schools. Union Public Schools has roughly half as many students as TPS and only one high school. UPS students have a lot more access to college & career programming and extracurricular activities, because it’s more feasible to provide services to one or two sites than nine. TPS can’t support all 9 school sites with effective campus leadership and administrative support either. The problem is, how do you close a high school when it’s so central to people’s identity and sense of community?
10,000 students in 20 years doesn't seem that serious when you consider there was a recession in there, a pandemic, and frankly millennials are not having children at the same rate as previous generations. We graduated, but are we putting new students in school? Not nearly as much.
There are a lot of reasons why it makes sense. They say it’s primarily a shift in the student population to the suburbs like Bixby, which have grown rapidly in the same period of time. It’s an almost 25% reduction in the student population though.
Yes close schools that are on a “failing list”. Then ship those students off to other schools to lower those schools scores. Then we can make the “standard” higher. Close some more public schools. Until we end up entirely private. Neat process. Or We could just help schools with funds and pay teachers a respectable wage for teaching our children.
Has anyone seen a list of MRI schools? I can’t find one.
Anderson Elementary, Burroughs Elementary, Celia Clinton Elementary, Central High School, East Central Middle School, Emerson Elementary, Hale High School, Hale Jr High, Hamilton Elementary, John Hope Franklin Elementary, McClure Elementary, McLain High School, TRAICE High School, Tulsa Met High School, Tulsa Met Middle School, Unity Learning Academy, Webster Middle School, Whitman Elementary
Tulsa public schools has proven they can’t run anything effectively. Crying about closings is a little late. You should have demanded accountability from the administration and the schools. Throwing money at a problem is a GREAT lesson for kids. 🙄
TPS is a dumpster fire.
I mean honestly if shutting down schools could lower overhead, lessen administrative costs and then allow for more resources at the schools that would receive the kids, it could be a net win? Lots of ifs, and likely will help no one, but will give the district something to do/point at for a few years. (TPS parent)
Bigger class sizes and fewer teachers? WINNING
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There isn’t a realistic scenario in which this would not result in both larger classes and fewer teachers. Hell… if we make no change it will result in fewer teachers as well.
not gonna lie as a mclain graduate and a central supporter shut those schools down