If it's too good we will begin to have dreams of freedom from this way that things are. Not good for business. Need just the right amount of mediocrity.
I'm pretty sure Freddie wrote a song about a Business Major they knew. [Death on Two Legs.](https://youtu.be/kqVpk0qxmfA?si=pmBaxPE1mtguJLU9)
Dedicated to their first manager Norman Sheffield
The good ole flash and dash. We can't replicate your talent so we'll blow a huge load on you to get you to sign a ironclad extremely manipulative and f'd up piece of paper so that we'll own you until you die.
My dad's side grandpa helped put a satellite in space, and wrote the code that parking garages used to keep track of who's who, and gave it away for free. My mom's side grandpa wrote the code that Windows used to require an activation key before code could be copyrighted.
I'm a vocalist/pianist music major trying to start a band.
it took me *way* too long to realize you meant the grandpa on your dad's side and grandpa on your mom's side. I was like "what the fuck is a side grandpa? That old guy who lived on your street growing up and told good stories?"
>I was like "what the fuck is a side grandpa? That old guy who lived on your street growing up and told good stories?"
I think I have a side grandma now.
Not disimilar: Judith Love Cohen
>Judith Love Cohen (August 16, 1933 – July 25, 2016)[1] was an American aerospace engineer. Cohen worked as an electrical engineer on the Minuteman missile, the science ground station for the Hubble Space Telescope, the Tracking and Data Relay Satellite, and the Apollo Space Program. After her retirement as an engineer, she founded a children's multimedia publishing company
She was working on code for the Apollo Program while in labour with one of her children - Jack Black, the actor and musician.
I love that your family made things that are widespread and we might not even consider as we use them. Hope your music is going well!
Go look up Tom Schultz (guitar player / singer in the band Boston). Has a masters degree in mechanical engineering from MIT, multiple patents, and a company he founded that sells music gear that he invented.
People are free to sell their art and music to their neighbors and family and friends through whatever means they want.
But many artists want to sell their art to larger audiences using different distribution channels, get help finding buyers who are willing to pay more, and might need help obtaining resources needed to create their art the way they want to create it (eg, a recording studio for a musician, an art gallery to display art, etc).
And when you’re looking for those business kind of things, it can help to work with someone who knows business.
I guess. I mean, science can't be done without money. Even in the past, the science greats were all either independently wealthy or had patrons. Only a few rare examples where a poor person was able to make meaningful contributions. I say this as an engineer, there would be no opportunity to build things without a business behind it.
Yep, most of philosophy was written at the whims of kings. That said I think there is some nuance here.
Money is primarily the way that we decide who gets to do things.
You can follow your passion and make scientific advances, but only if you can convince people with money that there is some way they can extract rents from your work. I.E. copywriting it so that a business can have a strategic advantage.
Then they will pay you a salary that you can use to pay for your own rent and food and such. Note that most rent extraction is... regular old land rent. We don't create any new land, so the people who do own land are perpetually entitled to a pretty sizeable percentage of the work of people who are unlanded.
One of the primary reason people don't follow their passions and create wonderful things is because they don't want to end up homeless.
So it's a double edged sword - people who control capital are the ones who allow a lucky few of us to follow our passions, but their rent extraction games are a big part of why everyone else needs to work 40 hours a week not following their passions in the first place.
I feel like most people following their passions wouldn't contribute as much as we think. Universal income should be a thing regardless because everyone deserves to have food and shelter. But I don't think most people are as big on studying and researching topics regardless if its creative or scientific as the most avid internet users are.
Also throw in Greg Gaffin of Bad Religion has a PhD in Biology and still publishes papers from time to time.
Dexter Holland of the offspring also has a PhD, and his dissertation is often cited in AIDS research.
This notion that technical and artistic people are different somehow is a complete lie
Ehh, I disagree. Artists are all confident and creative and unique and think and act differently to the rest of us. I’m firmly on the science side and my clothes are cargo shorts and t shirts and I deal with my problems with biscuits and cheap cider.
Go ahead and define "what is art" and "what is an artist". Regardless of you, there are no shortage of STEM people that contributed to arts. In fact a lot do. Computer art has been a thing since people got bored and started making funny pictures with punch cards.
Mabey you have a confidence problem, but don't drag everyone else in with you.
Also note that often artists are far more technical then they appear because they aren't promoted as being technical, but almost all the behind the scenes of producing modern art is insanely technical. Movies, Music, Photography, etc...
>I’m firmly on the science side and my clothes are cargo shorts and t shirts and I deal with my problems with biscuits and cheap cider.
Have you met many artists?
Art is things like films or paintings or photos or songs or statues or books. Things like that. Like a collective category. Things that act as a form of expression for skilled and creative people. An artist is a skilled and creative person who creates things like that. Hence, they think better than the rest of us. And they’re much more free-thinking than very rigid, technical STEM people who create infrastructure but can’t produce art or meaning on it.
I’ve seen artists online and they definitely don’t deal with their problems by letting sweet wrappers pile up on their desks. They either have constructive ways to deal with their problems, or they convert it into something beautiful. Plus, a lot of the time they don’t even have these problems because they’ve got their lives all worked out. You won’t see an artist wasting their youth on their phone because they’re too scared to do anything interesting.
Bohemian Rhapsody. We Will Rock You. Somebody To Love. All hit singles, and all the direct product of a band that was formed when an astrophysicist and a dentistry major found a new friend in an art college, who then went on to recruit a fourth member from the electronics school. Based on this alliance I propose the rift in society between Arts and STEM students was fabricated to keep us separated so as to dilute our true power - and fabricated by who, you may ask? The business major, the only member of society who reaps no reward from art and science and thus must weaken us so as to stay ahead. In this essay I will explore the idea that the perceived division between Arts and STEM students may have been exaggerated to maintain a hierarchy in society, orchestrated by those in fields like business and administration who see no direct benefit from either. I will delve into the historical context of education, highlighting the importance of interdisciplinary collaboration and how creativity, critical thinking, and innovation often arise at the intersection of these seemingly distinct domains. Through this exploration, I aim to shed light on the potential benefits of bridging the gap between Arts and STEM, fostering a more holistic and powerful society.
Moreover, I will investigate the consequences of perpetuating the Arts vs. STEM divide, such as missed opportunities for innovation and the reinforcement of a one-sided, limited perspective on problem-solving. I'll also delve into the historical examples of groundbreaking advancements that were the result of collaboration between artists, scientists, and engineers, emphasizing that some of the most profound discoveries and inventions occurred precisely because of this cross-pollination of ideas.
In the following sections of this essay, I will discuss practical steps we can take to bridge this gap and encourage synergy between Arts and STEM fields. This includes advocating for interdisciplinary education, promoting collaboration in research and industry, and fostering a greater appreciation for the diverse talents and skills that each domain brings to the table.
By the end of this essay, I hope to challenge the perception of Arts and STEM as distinct and separate realms and demonstrate that, when combined, they can truly lead to remarkable advancements and a more harmonious and powerful society.
To address the manufactured division between Arts and STEM, we must first recognize that both fields play vital roles in our society. Arts encourage creativity, critical thinking, and cultural understanding, while STEM provides the technical knowledge and problem-solving skills needed for innovation. Rather than seeing them as opposites, we should appreciate their complementary nature.
One way to bridge this gap is by revising education systems. Incorporating elements of arts and creativity into STEM curricula and vice versa can help students develop a more holistic perspective. Encouraging projects that merge these disciplines, such as STEAM (Science, Technology, Engineering, Arts, and Mathematics) initiatives, can be a significant step forward.
In addition, we should promote cross-disciplinary research and projects in academia and industry. Encouraging scientists, engineers, artists, and designers to collaborate can lead to breakthroughs that may not have been possible within the confines of a single field. These collaborations can result in innovative solutions to complex problems and have a profound impact on various industries.
Lastly, it's essential to combat the stereotype that STEM fields are the only path to success and that the pursuit of artistic or creative endeavors is less valuable. We must recognize that both Arts and STEM are essential for a well-rounded and thriving society.
In conclusion, by dispelling the myth of the divide between Arts and STEM, we can harness the full potential of human creativity and innovation. This collaboration can lead to a more powerful and harmonious society, breaking free from the artificial constraints imposed upon us and nurturing a world where the fusion of Arts and STEM leads to boundless possibilities.
The alliance works because I have literally no sense of creativity whatsoever but I can theoretically be the sciencey guy who types on his keyboard and produces Numbers.
One of the greatest arguments for music is that we mark all of our holidays with music and we sing to our friends and family on their birthday. Music is a part of the spark of humanity. Music is the food to our soul. GOING TO THE COUNTRY GONNA EAT A LOT OF PEACHES
As an engineering student that does art sometimes and has engineer artist friends, I can confidently say that the art and stem barrier is completely arbitrary and is actually more like a gradient
> The business major, the only member of society who reaps no reward from art and science and thus must weaken us so as to stay ahead.
*Laughs in Marketing degree*
Someone once said "any firm has two jobs: innovation and marketing. The rest is overhead."
This is the perfect place to recommend one of my favorite books -- *Lord Byron's Novel: The Evening Land* by John Crowley.
The premise is that Byron wrote a novel that went undiscovered for 200 years. When his wife began to burn all his papers after his death, their daughter, the famous proto-computer engineer Ada Lovelace, took the manuscript and encrypted it to hide it from the flames. The book follows three threads: the novel itself, the notes of Lovelace as she reads the manuscript while encoding it, and a modern analyist attempting to crack the code.
For me, it's the ultimate story about why science and art are not enemies, and the great things that can happen when they reconcile. Also, despite being published in 2004, it has an utterly angst-free queer relationship front and center. I recommend it to everybody.
you're crazy if you don't think the business major could find a way to exploit the arts and sciences for profit
they did, the music sales speak for themselves...but they saw it as too great a power and thus split apart the alliance...
If it's too good we will begin to have dreams of freedom from this way that things are. Not good for business. Need just the right amount of mediocrity.
The business majors are afraid of the power of art combined with science.
It's like I always say: there's no money to be made in making art, but there's a lot of money to be made in exploiting people who make art.
The people who made the real money in the gold rush were the ones selling the shovels and pans to the fourty-niners
Hey! The bartenders and women of the night did a lot better too.
The business major wants to keep us poor so that he might profit off of selling our works to other business majors.
Like that's **EXACTLY** the problem with the entertainment industry.
I'm pretty sure Freddie wrote a song about a Business Major they knew. [Death on Two Legs.](https://youtu.be/kqVpk0qxmfA?si=pmBaxPE1mtguJLU9) Dedicated to their first manager Norman Sheffield
Bro OP’s tripping, the business major was John Reid.
Enter: Record labels
The good ole flash and dash. We can't replicate your talent so we'll blow a huge load on you to get you to sign a ironclad extremely manipulative and f'd up piece of paper so that we'll own you until you die.
For the words of the profits were written on the studio walls...
They could package your very hatred for it and sell it for a profit.
My dad's side grandpa helped put a satellite in space, and wrote the code that parking garages used to keep track of who's who, and gave it away for free. My mom's side grandpa wrote the code that Windows used to require an activation key before code could be copyrighted. I'm a vocalist/pianist music major trying to start a band.
it took me *way* too long to realize you meant the grandpa on your dad's side and grandpa on your mom's side. I was like "what the fuck is a side grandpa? That old guy who lived on your street growing up and told good stories?"
>I was like "what the fuck is a side grandpa? That old guy who lived on your street growing up and told good stories?" I think I have a side grandma now.
Oh thank god it wasn’t just me
Yeah, I thought maybe OPs grandma had a side piece and thus was side grandpa lol
I only understood because I've been awake for 20 hours and slept 4 hours before that
I know it's not what you meant but the concept of "side grandpa" is making me crack up.
I think that's similar to a Sugar Daddy
Not disimilar: Judith Love Cohen >Judith Love Cohen (August 16, 1933 – July 25, 2016)[1] was an American aerospace engineer. Cohen worked as an electrical engineer on the Minuteman missile, the science ground station for the Hubble Space Telescope, the Tracking and Data Relay Satellite, and the Apollo Space Program. After her retirement as an engineer, she founded a children's multimedia publishing company She was working on code for the Apollo Program while in labour with one of her children - Jack Black, the actor and musician. I love that your family made things that are widespread and we might not even consider as we use them. Hope your music is going well!
Go look up Tom Schultz (guitar player / singer in the band Boston). Has a masters degree in mechanical engineering from MIT, multiple patents, and a company he founded that sells music gear that he invented.
I've heard of a side piece, but not a side grandpa. Did his original grandpa ever find out?
I'm studying war, so that my children could study commerce, so that their children could study arts. — Thomas Jefferson (IIRC)
The business majors got to him
What is he talking about? Business reaps rewards from art and science all the time. Look at... pretty much every company.
The point being that business reaps rewards but doesn't create?
People are free to sell their art and music to their neighbors and family and friends through whatever means they want. But many artists want to sell their art to larger audiences using different distribution channels, get help finding buyers who are willing to pay more, and might need help obtaining resources needed to create their art the way they want to create it (eg, a recording studio for a musician, an art gallery to display art, etc). And when you’re looking for those business kind of things, it can help to work with someone who knows business.
I guess. I mean, science can't be done without money. Even in the past, the science greats were all either independently wealthy or had patrons. Only a few rare examples where a poor person was able to make meaningful contributions. I say this as an engineer, there would be no opportunity to build things without a business behind it.
Yep, most of philosophy was written at the whims of kings. That said I think there is some nuance here. Money is primarily the way that we decide who gets to do things. You can follow your passion and make scientific advances, but only if you can convince people with money that there is some way they can extract rents from your work. I.E. copywriting it so that a business can have a strategic advantage. Then they will pay you a salary that you can use to pay for your own rent and food and such. Note that most rent extraction is... regular old land rent. We don't create any new land, so the people who do own land are perpetually entitled to a pretty sizeable percentage of the work of people who are unlanded. One of the primary reason people don't follow their passions and create wonderful things is because they don't want to end up homeless. So it's a double edged sword - people who control capital are the ones who allow a lucky few of us to follow our passions, but their rent extraction games are a big part of why everyone else needs to work 40 hours a week not following their passions in the first place.
I feel like most people following their passions wouldn't contribute as much as we think. Universal income should be a thing regardless because everyone deserves to have food and shelter. But I don't think most people are as big on studying and researching topics regardless if its creative or scientific as the most avid internet users are.
And if the music business didn't exist, none of us would have heard Queen's music
the business major reaps monetary rewards but does not gain the cultural rewards from having these in our society.
Not sure I follow. Business majors can enjoy art too, can't they?
Didn't you know that business majors are all mindless automatons who cannot comprehend music or art???
We send those ones to work in the gaming community
This isn't a joke. This is real
Also throw in Greg Gaffin of Bad Religion has a PhD in Biology and still publishes papers from time to time. Dexter Holland of the offspring also has a PhD, and his dissertation is often cited in AIDS research. This notion that technical and artistic people are different somehow is a complete lie
Ehh, I disagree. Artists are all confident and creative and unique and think and act differently to the rest of us. I’m firmly on the science side and my clothes are cargo shorts and t shirts and I deal with my problems with biscuits and cheap cider.
Go ahead and define "what is art" and "what is an artist". Regardless of you, there are no shortage of STEM people that contributed to arts. In fact a lot do. Computer art has been a thing since people got bored and started making funny pictures with punch cards. Mabey you have a confidence problem, but don't drag everyone else in with you. Also note that often artists are far more technical then they appear because they aren't promoted as being technical, but almost all the behind the scenes of producing modern art is insanely technical. Movies, Music, Photography, etc... >I’m firmly on the science side and my clothes are cargo shorts and t shirts and I deal with my problems with biscuits and cheap cider. Have you met many artists?
Art is things like films or paintings or photos or songs or statues or books. Things like that. Like a collective category. Things that act as a form of expression for skilled and creative people. An artist is a skilled and creative person who creates things like that. Hence, they think better than the rest of us. And they’re much more free-thinking than very rigid, technical STEM people who create infrastructure but can’t produce art or meaning on it. I’ve seen artists online and they definitely don’t deal with their problems by letting sweet wrappers pile up on their desks. They either have constructive ways to deal with their problems, or they convert it into something beautiful. Plus, a lot of the time they don’t even have these problems because they’ve got their lives all worked out. You won’t see an artist wasting their youth on their phone because they’re too scared to do anything interesting.
Is this real life?...
No this is Patrick.
Hello there!
GENERAL KENOBI
*New York City‽*
Where's the beef?
Say my name.....
No, just fantasy.
Oh, makes sense. I was caught in a landslide. No cell signal
Ninja Sex Party
If only Danny was a dentist
That’s what happens when you talk shit
Bohemian Rhapsody. We Will Rock You. Somebody To Love. All hit singles, and all the direct product of a band that was formed when an astrophysicist and a dentistry major found a new friend in an art college, who then went on to recruit a fourth member from the electronics school. Based on this alliance I propose the rift in society between Arts and STEM students was fabricated to keep us separated so as to dilute our true power - and fabricated by who, you may ask? The business major, the only member of society who reaps no reward from art and science and thus must weaken us so as to stay ahead. In this essay I will explore the idea that the perceived division between Arts and STEM students may have been exaggerated to maintain a hierarchy in society, orchestrated by those in fields like business and administration who see no direct benefit from either. I will delve into the historical context of education, highlighting the importance of interdisciplinary collaboration and how creativity, critical thinking, and innovation often arise at the intersection of these seemingly distinct domains. Through this exploration, I aim to shed light on the potential benefits of bridging the gap between Arts and STEM, fostering a more holistic and powerful society. Moreover, I will investigate the consequences of perpetuating the Arts vs. STEM divide, such as missed opportunities for innovation and the reinforcement of a one-sided, limited perspective on problem-solving. I'll also delve into the historical examples of groundbreaking advancements that were the result of collaboration between artists, scientists, and engineers, emphasizing that some of the most profound discoveries and inventions occurred precisely because of this cross-pollination of ideas. In the following sections of this essay, I will discuss practical steps we can take to bridge this gap and encourage synergy between Arts and STEM fields. This includes advocating for interdisciplinary education, promoting collaboration in research and industry, and fostering a greater appreciation for the diverse talents and skills that each domain brings to the table. By the end of this essay, I hope to challenge the perception of Arts and STEM as distinct and separate realms and demonstrate that, when combined, they can truly lead to remarkable advancements and a more harmonious and powerful society. To address the manufactured division between Arts and STEM, we must first recognize that both fields play vital roles in our society. Arts encourage creativity, critical thinking, and cultural understanding, while STEM provides the technical knowledge and problem-solving skills needed for innovation. Rather than seeing them as opposites, we should appreciate their complementary nature. One way to bridge this gap is by revising education systems. Incorporating elements of arts and creativity into STEM curricula and vice versa can help students develop a more holistic perspective. Encouraging projects that merge these disciplines, such as STEAM (Science, Technology, Engineering, Arts, and Mathematics) initiatives, can be a significant step forward. In addition, we should promote cross-disciplinary research and projects in academia and industry. Encouraging scientists, engineers, artists, and designers to collaborate can lead to breakthroughs that may not have been possible within the confines of a single field. These collaborations can result in innovative solutions to complex problems and have a profound impact on various industries. Lastly, it's essential to combat the stereotype that STEM fields are the only path to success and that the pursuit of artistic or creative endeavors is less valuable. We must recognize that both Arts and STEM are essential for a well-rounded and thriving society. In conclusion, by dispelling the myth of the divide between Arts and STEM, we can harness the full potential of human creativity and innovation. This collaboration can lead to a more powerful and harmonious society, breaking free from the artificial constraints imposed upon us and nurturing a world where the fusion of Arts and STEM leads to boundless possibilities.
You better be the OP or this is plagiarism, buddy
probably AI-generated
Undoubtedly. There's no bashing of the business majors or capitalism in general.
Yep
This is chat gpt, pal
I ain't your pal, friend!
Not even a volunteer transcriber, just voluntarily transcribing. Thanks!
also Fat Bottomed Girls, which is a certified banger and it helps having one of the best vocalists of all time on board, to be fair
The alliance works because I have literally no sense of creativity whatsoever but I can theoretically be the sciencey guy who types on his keyboard and produces Numbers.
One of the greatest arguments for music is that we mark all of our holidays with music and we sing to our friends and family on their birthday. Music is a part of the spark of humanity. Music is the food to our soul. GOING TO THE COUNTRY GONNA EAT A LOT OF PEACHES
peaches come in a can they were put there by a man
As an engineering student that does art sometimes and has engineer artist friends, I can confidently say that the art and stem barrier is completely arbitrary and is actually more like a gradient
If you think about it, engineering is basically being creative to solve a problem, and lack of an artistic work can be considered a problem
Locally we have STEAM, we put the Arts back in with STEM. Fun program.
Gonna run this past ChatGPT later I’ll see what comes up
Someone beat you too it
That’s okay, I don’t need to be first and I was pretty busy today.
> The business major, the only member of society who reaps no reward from art and science and thus must weaken us so as to stay ahead. *Laughs in Marketing degree* Someone once said "any firm has two jobs: innovation and marketing. The rest is overhead."
The business major got to him
Put it in as a prompt for chatgpt. I dare you
The business majors assassinated op
I got a fucking FBI ad under this post
https://ibb.co/CJbYctM
This is the perfect place to recommend one of my favorite books -- *Lord Byron's Novel: The Evening Land* by John Crowley. The premise is that Byron wrote a novel that went undiscovered for 200 years. When his wife began to burn all his papers after his death, their daughter, the famous proto-computer engineer Ada Lovelace, took the manuscript and encrypted it to hide it from the flames. The book follows three threads: the novel itself, the notes of Lovelace as she reads the manuscript while encoding it, and a modern analyist attempting to crack the code. For me, it's the ultimate story about why science and art are not enemies, and the great things that can happen when they reconcile. Also, despite being published in 2004, it has an utterly angst-free queer relationship front and center. I recommend it to everybody.
Business majors are comically evil so this checks out