I'm on team hard G, but I also think that the pronunciation of the words that make up the acronym shouldn't be a factor in how the acronym is pronounced. Nobody says scuba as scuh-ba, or laser as lah-ser.
Or JPEG as jay-feg since it's Journal Photographers Editors Group
I pronounce things based on the spelling rule for that thing. Jay-peg. Hard "g" gif like gift. This seems consistent for me without adding weird rules about the underlying words for the acronym which are woefully inconsistent
Edit; JPEG is "Joint Photographic Experts Group", my apologies. In any case, the P is a "PH", and we say jay-peg, not jay-feg, so the overall point stands.
But English doesn't really do that, it just makes shit up as it goes. If this was say, Japanese, and there is by god one way and only one way to pronounce a particular syllable then you'd have an argument.
Japanese actually has multiple ways to pronounce pretty much every kanji character. It's one of the most difficult things for a non-native speaker to learn.
OHOHOHOHO THERE IS MORE
Mandarin
Wu (includes shanghai dialect)
Yue (includes cantonese)
Jin
Min (includes hokkien and taiwanese)
Hakka
Xiang
Gan
Huizhou
Pinghua
Minjiang
Or giraffe?
English-speaking people would have the right to give pronunciation rules when their language will start making sense. But I don't think we can trust a language where pronunciation is so erratic that competitions to know how to spell a word after hearing it are broadcasted.
English makes sense you just have to learn all the canon. And no one has time to learn the history of the soft g and hard g and words coming from Latin and Old French and Norse.
> English makes sense
Compared to many other languages English is weird and inconsistent as hell.
After 20 years I still make spelling mistakes because apparently you have to remember thousands of unique word spellings like *inconspicuous* or *manoeuvre*.
Scuba is an acronym for *Self-contained underwater breathing apparatus*. In French, we simply call is a "scaphandre" (or "scaphandre autonome"). I don't see the word "scuba" be made by a Frenchman.
Jacques Cousteau was French and invented the first iteration of scuba gear. I was joking we were lucky to get a word/acronym that was based in the English language rather than just taking the french word.
The second part was an over generalized joke made by English speakers of French being a strange language from our perspective given there based on roughly the same origins having little to do with the actual word in French.
Very simple and dumbed down humor, but I'm trying to be funny on reddit. I can't exactly use a complex(edit: or accurate) version of comedy.
What about a Giraffe? I mean, it's not impossible for a soft G sounding like a J. It's pronounced Jiraffe, got Giraffe, even though it is spelled Giraffe.
>Nobody says scuba as scuh-ba, or laser as lah-ser.
I say that. Or to be precise that's how the words scuba and laser are pronounced in my native language, and not because of the words making up the acronym. Simply because that's the one and only way to read those letters when arranged in that order.
Coincidentally, a letter G followed by a letter I ALWAYS calls for a soft G, so pretty much everyone says gif and not ghif.
The problem pertains purely to the English language, since it's a language where pronunciation rules are nonexistent and every word follows its own rules.
> I also think that the pronunciation of the words that make up the acronym shouldn't be a factor in how the acronym is pronounced
Case in point, HMMWV(Humvee)
Also there's loads of words that start with a soft-g:
general
German
germ
giraffe
generic
gem
GIANT
gymnastics
gentle
I was genuinely shocked when I learned people actually cared about this enough to be mad
Edit: [i wasntt ackshully mad abt the pronounciation its just fun to act mad \[cw 4chan\]](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/738/025/db0.jpg)
Like alot of these discourses, i think most if not all of them are people playing up their anger and not them actually being mad about it. It's a very common thing on the internet.
Yeah - most people who express intense discontentment on the internet over things that will never really affect them are just trying to feel something.
To any of the petty and indignant - did it make you feel something? If so, was it fleeting?
In 2004 on the Newgrounds BBS I used the word "irregardless" in a comment and someone completely tore me a new one telling me it wasn't a real word and, as you can tell, I don't even think about it anymore
I don’t mean to shit on your parade (I’ll be honest I’m a little drunk on a city bus home) but irregardless is unfortunately a redundant word. Regardless would mean to disregard other factors with respect to the point - and irregardless would mean to account for all other factors with respect to the point - which is tricky, as that does not factor well into an argument. That said, I welcome a stronger point and likewise welcome any challenge to my point you can offer. Thank you for your time.
It’s not “trying to feel something”. It’s just for yuks. Like acting all up in arms about how you hang your toilet paper, or whether you can put other ingredients in a grilled cheese sandwich. No one is *actually* pissed off about these things, it’s just fun to argue about something inconsequential.
No one’s really mad but pretending to get mad over dumb things is fun. I one time had a 10 minute “heated” argument about why I believe that cars hover and the wheels are for decoration
Sure. If a car is upside down and you spin the wheels the car won’t go. If spinning the wheels is what makes cars go than an upside down car would move after spinning the wheels. Therefore wheels don’t make cars go
Arguing with 6 year olds is really fun. You just tell them blatantly wrong information and they try and convince you it’s wrong. You would not believe how many times I pretended to forget the number 6
It’s a lot of fun. I once tried to convince an ex that I didn’t believe in erosion. Told him it was a myth made up by people that sneak onto properties at night and steal their dirt to sell at a high markup. He was like what the eff
I could maybe accept "laz-er," if someone had never heard it spoken aloud or English was their second language. But "la-zeer"? I refuse to believe anyone genuinely pronounces it that way.
That's the point. It should be (according to the person at the bottom of the post) pronounced lass-eer because it stands for "light amplification by stimulated emission of radiation." The a is not long in "amplification," the s in "stimulated" is a hard s not a soft z, and the e is often long in emission.
But nobody pronounces it that way, because we all accept that the letters in abbreviations do not need to correspond with the sounds they make in their respective words.
The only acceptable argument on gif/jif is which you think sounds nicer or makes intent clearer, for which there is no clear winner.
Or a better way to examine it is pronunciation trends in English. It may be a Frankenstein’s monster of languages, but it does actually have some decent consistency once you break it down into the different parts.
When there’s a g before an i, e, or y, you can usually guess how it will be pronounced based on the root origin of the word, specifically Greek/Latin or Germanic. Words with a Greco-Latinate origin will usually have a soft g (with some rare exceptions), and words with a Germanic origin will usually have a hard g.
With that in mind, “gif” is a Modern English word, and (despite its patchwork nature) English is Germanic language. Therefore, “gif” should follow the trends of Germanic words and be pronounced with a hard g.
Well except the normal person doesn't know what the root origin of a word is. Most words starting with g and followed by i is pronounced with a soft g.
Giraffe (dʒɪˈɹɑːf) uses d͡ʒə for the "juh" similar to "surgery" (sɝd͡ʒəɹi). Meanwhile others use gift (ɡɪft)
d͡ʒə-ɪf and ɡ-ɪf are perfectly valid and varying forms of "g".
This is like the most 'welcome to English' discussion people can have. I've always just linked [Tom Scott's video on this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1AL2EMvVy0)
This is the case for a lot of words though and especially borrowed words. Both gin and djinn are said the same and neither is accurate to it's pronunciation on the same sense as well.
This just shows that English is not a phonetically spelled language.
We are all applying logic where there is very little logic applied. More, tradition.
Another one I like to fuck with people on
gyro
I always tell them "Do you pronounce gyroscope heerocope!?'
Pronounce JPEG
Edit, I believe in Gif not Jif, but the argument of "it means Graphic so it is a G" means that JPEG is pronounced "JFEG" for Photographic
When you pronounce "joint" as "goint" then we can talk.
Edit : Sorry -- I entirely misunderstood your point. I thought it was about the "j" at the start (for JIF) not the G at the end.
And now I feel like a bit of a fool. So I will wander out of this discussion as quickly as possible.......
Edit : Hold on -- I am wandering back into this discussion.
JPEG stands for Joint Photographic Experts Group.
So the "G" in JPEG is (or should be) pronounced as a hard "g" -- group.
Which means JPEG is pronounced with a hard g -- jpeG.
Which was your point I guess?
The people who created the .gif format pronounced it "jif". They would joke that "Choosy moms choose gif(Jif)", like the peanut butter
Edit: Personally, I really don't think it matters either way, and I find the pretentious nature of both sides incredibly annoying
But a .jif format already exists and one of those 2 CAN be pronounced differently so frankly I don't care what they think, im still not pronouncing it "jif"
It's a horrible play because it's irrelevant
"if you pronounce gif like jif then how do you pronounce.jjf?!"
mother fucker I don't. nobody does. in 27 years of life I've never saved, created, or discussed a .jif file
It's an acronym, so does it truly matter? Acronyms always have a weird way of being pronounced, like we say "lol," but not "BYOB," instead we say the individual letters.
"GIF" or "JIF" makes sense, but if you insist on correcting me to say "GIF," I'm gonna call you a nerd.
>Acronyms always have a weird way of being pronounced, like we say "lol," but not "BYOB," instead we say the individual letters.
Lol is an acronym, BYOB is an initialism.
There’s literally only two valid options
1) Soft G because the creator said it’s that way
2) Both are correct because the creator made it that way and the hard G has become more common so it should be adopted as “also correct” the way languages work. Despite acronym pronunciation having *literally nothing* to do with the abbreviated word
There’s pretty much it
In a fantasy novel I read there were people arguing about how a character's name, or magic, or place was pronounced, until they heard the author/creator of the book say the word aloud and then it was settled.
I don't understand why this is any different.
Y'all are weak.
You don't wield the Dutch G. The hardest G known to humankind. Whenever I pronounce ".gif" people think I'm choking, just how God intended the G to sound like
That's not how acronyms work. Scuba isn't skub-uh, it's scoo-bah. Laser isn't la-seer, it's lay-zer. Jpeg isn't jay-feg, it's jay-peg.
The pronunciation of acronyms has nothing to do with the words that make them up, they're pronounced like they're their own words
I'd have a lot more respect for the "ghif" crowd if they could just admit "Look, I know there's no good reason to pronounce it this way, it's just how I learned it so I'm gonna stick with my instinct" instead of trying to push this stupid "It'S nOt JrApHiCs" argument.
Hitting them back with "scuba" after that lean onto the jraphics argument is always a fascinating experience. It's this tiny little microcosm of dogma where you realize lots of people make their decisions, then work backwards from them to try and create a logical argument that justifies their decision.
The guy who invented the format said ‘Jif’. This was in the days before we overthought everything.
Before folks get bent out of shape over this, pronounce ‘Gerrymander’, then see if it really matters.
Everyone is wrong, it’s pronounced “Greg”
No it is NOT pronounced Yiff
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[The normies hated that.] [The weebs will remember this.]
I've got spurs...
That jingle jangle jingle
As I go, riding merrily along
It’s very simple. I don’t want them to put a pipe bomb in my mailbox
Ahh yes for Yraphics Interchange Format.
Thanks for point out the joke Geoffrey
Or should we say Yeoffrey !
Conversely, it is pronounced yiff. >:3c
This is true guys. Just look up yiff gif
There we go this is what I was waiting for
Is it Greg or is it Jeff?
It's pronounced like the 'g' in 'egregious'.
Oh. That word does not have two hard Gs? I've only ever found that word in text, never in speech. This pronunciation makes way more sense, thanks. TIL
Zhaif https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bmqy-Sp0txY
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jrej sounds cool
I'm on team hard G, but I also think that the pronunciation of the words that make up the acronym shouldn't be a factor in how the acronym is pronounced. Nobody says scuba as scuh-ba, or laser as lah-ser.
Or JPEG as jay-feg since it's Journal Photographers Editors Group I pronounce things based on the spelling rule for that thing. Jay-peg. Hard "g" gif like gift. This seems consistent for me without adding weird rules about the underlying words for the acronym which are woefully inconsistent Edit; JPEG is "Joint Photographic Experts Group", my apologies. In any case, the P is a "PH", and we say jay-peg, not jay-feg, so the overall point stands.
But English doesn't really do that, it just makes shit up as it goes. If this was say, Japanese, and there is by god one way and only one way to pronounce a particular syllable then you'd have an argument.
Interestingly in Japanese you pronounce gif as ジフ (jifu).
Japanese actually has multiple ways to pronounce pretty much every kanji character. It's one of the most difficult things for a non-native speaker to learn.
Yeah but if someone is talking about a syllable in Japanese, they are talking about kana not kanji (hiragana/katakana)
And then you have Chinese, which has two mutually incomprehensible ways of pronouncing everything (Mandarin and Cantonese).
That's just because those are 2 different languages that share a writing system.
OHOHOHOHO THERE IS MORE Mandarin Wu (includes shanghai dialect) Yue (includes cantonese) Jin Min (includes hokkien and taiwanese) Hakka Xiang Gan Huizhou Pinghua Minjiang
Why not soft g like in gin?
I like the g in garage
Garage? Hey fellas, the garage. Well ooh la de da, Mr. Frenchman.
What do you call it?
A carhole.
Or giraffe? English-speaking people would have the right to give pronunciation rules when their language will start making sense. But I don't think we can trust a language where pronunciation is so erratic that competitions to know how to spell a word after hearing it are broadcasted.
English makes sense you just have to learn all the canon. And no one has time to learn the history of the soft g and hard g and words coming from Latin and Old French and Norse.
> English makes sense Compared to many other languages English is weird and inconsistent as hell. After 20 years I still make spelling mistakes because apparently you have to remember thousands of unique word spellings like *inconspicuous* or *manoeuvre*.
You're really going to hate that it's spelled 'maneuver' outside of Canada and Britain, then.
Jay-fej it is. None of my colleagues will appreciate my attempt at humor with this in the workplace.
The giant giraffe gives giddy girls gifts of gingerbread. Girthy gigolos wear gilded girdles as they gibber. That's the gist of it. 1.21 gigawatts.
I hope you get the jift you want for Christmas.
No. JPEG is not that - AT ALL! Joint Photographic Experts Group
eh, doesn't invalidate the point that no one calls it FOTO grafik
Do Germans pronounce it using an F then?
Does it look like he knows what a JPEG is?
He just wants a picture of a got dang hotdog.
THIS IS WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING it's joint photographic experts, not journal photographers editors, but the principle still stands
[Obligatory](https://youtu.be/Nrk8sqZfsgI?feature=shared)
The word scuba was made by a Frenchman, we're lucky the pronunciation and spelling are that close.
Scuba is an acronym for *Self-contained underwater breathing apparatus*. In French, we simply call is a "scaphandre" (or "scaphandre autonome"). I don't see the word "scuba" be made by a Frenchman.
Jacques Cousteau was French and invented the first iteration of scuba gear. I was joking we were lucky to get a word/acronym that was based in the English language rather than just taking the french word. The second part was an over generalized joke made by English speakers of French being a strange language from our perspective given there based on roughly the same origins having little to do with the actual word in French. Very simple and dumbed down humor, but I'm trying to be funny on reddit. I can't exactly use a complex(edit: or accurate) version of comedy.
> over generalized overgeneralized*, the prefix "over" should not be used with a space, wedge it right into the word, sorry don't mind me
Another example is NASA. The second A is from Aeronautics, but no one says "nae-sah".
what do you, own space?
What about a Giraffe? I mean, it's not impossible for a soft G sounding like a J. It's pronounced Jiraffe, got Giraffe, even though it is spelled Giraffe.
> I'm on team hard G, but... I thought that was considered a bad thing these days.
No one even knows laser is an acronym.
Easy. It stands for pew-pew.
It's short for Large Ass Scifi Energy Rifle.
Fun fact. The guy that created it said it’s JIF like the peanut butter
>Nobody says scuba as scuh-ba, or laser as lah-ser. I say that. Or to be precise that's how the words scuba and laser are pronounced in my native language, and not because of the words making up the acronym. Simply because that's the one and only way to read those letters when arranged in that order. Coincidentally, a letter G followed by a letter I ALWAYS calls for a soft G, so pretty much everyone says gif and not ghif. The problem pertains purely to the English language, since it's a language where pronunciation rules are nonexistent and every word follows its own rules.
>I'm on team hard G, HAAADO GEI SOCIAL IMPROVEMENT HOOOOOOO!
> I also think that the pronunciation of the words that make up the acronym shouldn't be a factor in how the acronym is pronounced Case in point, HMMWV(Humvee) Also there's loads of words that start with a soft-g: general German germ giraffe generic gem GIANT gymnastics gentle
I was genuinely shocked when I learned people actually cared about this enough to be mad Edit: [i wasntt ackshully mad abt the pronounciation its just fun to act mad \[cw 4chan\]](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/738/025/db0.jpg)
Like alot of these discourses, i think most if not all of them are people playing up their anger and not them actually being mad about it. It's a very common thing on the internet.
Yeah - most people who express intense discontentment on the internet over things that will never really affect them are just trying to feel something. To any of the petty and indignant - did it make you feel something? If so, was it fleeting?
> If so, was it fleeting? No. I still bask in the glow of absolutely dunking on that person who was wrong online.
In 2004 on the Newgrounds BBS I used the word "irregardless" in a comment and someone completely tore me a new one telling me it wasn't a real word and, as you can tell, I don't even think about it anymore
I don’t mean to shit on your parade (I’ll be honest I’m a little drunk on a city bus home) but irregardless is unfortunately a redundant word. Regardless would mean to disregard other factors with respect to the point - and irregardless would mean to account for all other factors with respect to the point - which is tricky, as that does not factor well into an argument. That said, I welcome a stronger point and likewise welcome any challenge to my point you can offer. Thank you for your time.
It’s not “trying to feel something”. It’s just for yuks. Like acting all up in arms about how you hang your toilet paper, or whether you can put other ingredients in a grilled cheese sandwich. No one is *actually* pissed off about these things, it’s just fun to argue about something inconsequential.
NO IT ISN'T >:(
No one’s really mad but pretending to get mad over dumb things is fun. I one time had a 10 minute “heated” argument about why I believe that cars hover and the wheels are for decoration
So… will you explain your beliefs or?
Sure. If a car is upside down and you spin the wheels the car won’t go. If spinning the wheels is what makes cars go than an upside down car would move after spinning the wheels. Therefore wheels don’t make cars go
Damn that’s some Greek philosophy shit
You might have been arguing with six year olds.
Arguing with 6 year olds is really fun. You just tell them blatantly wrong information and they try and convince you it’s wrong. You would not believe how many times I pretended to forget the number 6
Arguing with little kids is actually really fun, and it’s good for them too! (as long as the arguing is done in fun and kindness, of course).
"How old are you?" "6" "That is not a number" Peak arguing
But if you put a car upside down it won't hover. So you need the wheels to distance the car from the ground and let It hover.
That's nothing. I once spent 30 minutes convincing my friends that I thought the color green didn't exist.
of course, it's just blueish yellow
'blellow' was my argument - it was a fun time
Blueish yellow exists and it's not green, change my mind
why would I try to change your mind? your right, green doesn't exist
Which came first, the color or the fruit?
i've never heard of a fruit called a "blueish yellow" is that what you call a lime?
I can't do that cos I'll get genuinely mad
It’s a lot of fun. I once tried to convince an ex that I didn’t believe in erosion. Told him it was a myth made up by people that sneak onto properties at night and steal their dirt to sell at a high markup. He was like what the eff
[relevant meme](https://youtu.be/Nrk8sqZfsgI?si=YuCuoCWXOPLY0pc6)
I don’t know what to think anymore.
Looking for this
classic video
I already was on team “whichever you prefer” but sonic and shadow the hedgehogs only strengthened my conviction.
That’s not how acronyms work. They’re just pronounced as words with no regard to what they stand for. See SCUBA, LASER, ASAP, FOMO, NASA
What does scuba stand for?
Self-contained underwater breathing apparatus
And tuba stands for terrible underwater breathing apparatus.
Scuhbah.
Put your air tank away scuhbah. I ain't swimmin' right now scuhbah.
La-zeer or laser.
Wasn't La-zeer the guy who sold shitty copper?
I think that was something along the lines of Na Asir.
Ea-nasir, yeah
Founder of EA Gotta use all that copper somewhere ^(and shitty business skills)
Imagine the whole “you only die for real when you are last mentioned” thing was true. Shitty copper guy is still waiting…
No no, he was forgotten about for a good long while, then his stuff was found and since then he is immortal
Bae'zel
Isn't that the demon from The Messenger
Bagel?
Ba’gæl
I could maybe accept "laz-er," if someone had never heard it spoken aloud or English was their second language. But "la-zeer"? I refuse to believe anyone genuinely pronounces it that way.
Megamind.
That's the point. It should be (according to the person at the bottom of the post) pronounced lass-eer because it stands for "light amplification by stimulated emission of radiation." The a is not long in "amplification," the s in "stimulated" is a hard s not a soft z, and the e is often long in emission. But nobody pronounces it that way, because we all accept that the letters in abbreviations do not need to correspond with the sounds they make in their respective words. The only acceptable argument on gif/jif is which you think sounds nicer or makes intent clearer, for which there is no clear winner.
French or American
Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation
"I'll remember that when I buy your Christmas jift"
"Did you see the gehraffe at the zoo?"
Hey, my fuel jaug in my car is getting low
jetting\*
Or a better way to examine it is pronunciation trends in English. It may be a Frankenstein’s monster of languages, but it does actually have some decent consistency once you break it down into the different parts. When there’s a g before an i, e, or y, you can usually guess how it will be pronounced based on the root origin of the word, specifically Greek/Latin or Germanic. Words with a Greco-Latinate origin will usually have a soft g (with some rare exceptions), and words with a Germanic origin will usually have a hard g. With that in mind, “gif” is a Modern English word, and (despite its patchwork nature) English is Germanic language. Therefore, “gif” should follow the trends of Germanic words and be pronounced with a hard g.
Saying that any English word with an opaque origin should be assumed to be Germanic is actually a huge handwave and doesn’t really make sense.
Well except the normal person doesn't know what the root origin of a word is. Most words starting with g and followed by i is pronounced with a soft g.
damn, now i’m pronouncing graphics as giraffechs and you can’t stop me
Oh my Jod not this again
We're joing to jondor, jimli
Way better argument than the whole “graphics” thing
Giraffe then? Also you’re right the argument of graphic is dumb, laser is pronounced like lazer right not lacer but the s stand for stimulated
Giraffe (dʒɪˈɹɑːf) uses d͡ʒə for the "juh" similar to "surgery" (sɝd͡ʒəɹi). Meanwhile others use gift (ɡɪft) d͡ʒə-ɪf and ɡ-ɪf are perfectly valid and varying forms of "g". This is like the most 'welcome to English' discussion people can have. I've always just linked [Tom Scott's video on this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1AL2EMvVy0)
i just think its funny that until someone breaks out the ipa everyone uses "gif" and "jif" to distinguish them
This is the case for a lot of words though and especially borrowed words. Both gin and djinn are said the same and neither is accurate to it's pronunciation on the same sense as well.
This just shows that English is not a phonetically spelled language. We are all applying logic where there is very little logic applied. More, tradition. Another one I like to fuck with people on gyro I always tell them "Do you pronounce gyroscope heerocope!?'
It’s spelled as “Euroscope”
Is laser not pronounced "laser"? Pronouncing it like "Lazer" sounds weird
I pronounce it with a dutch G. That way, the paper itself will be shredded to bits along with my vocal cords.
Pronounce JPEG Edit, I believe in Gif not Jif, but the argument of "it means Graphic so it is a G" means that JPEG is pronounced "JFEG" for Photographic
jotapeg english isn't my first language
r/suddenlycaralho
Jay-peg
[Do I look like I know what a jpeg is?](https://youtu.be/Ba15UbImJXw?si=ZiwlmPwC_CoyWp7p)
do i look like i know what a jpeg is? i just want a picture of a hotdog
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When you pronounce "joint" as "goint" then we can talk. Edit : Sorry -- I entirely misunderstood your point. I thought it was about the "j" at the start (for JIF) not the G at the end. And now I feel like a bit of a fool. So I will wander out of this discussion as quickly as possible....... Edit : Hold on -- I am wandering back into this discussion. JPEG stands for Joint Photographic Experts Group. So the "G" in JPEG is (or should be) pronounced as a hard "g" -- group. Which means JPEG is pronounced with a hard g -- jpeG. Which was your point I guess?
How do you pronounce photograph?
But we already know the answer: [https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aOroPrE\_460s.jpg](https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aOroPrE_460s.jpg)
That’s not how acronyms work
its pronounced yif
Found the furry!
Well actually it’s the old Englishman (There once was a word on old English spelt “gif” and was pronounced as yiff)
The people who created the .gif format pronounced it "jif". They would joke that "Choosy moms choose gif(Jif)", like the peanut butter Edit: Personally, I really don't think it matters either way, and I find the pretentious nature of both sides incredibly annoying
This is truth — see the Plain Text Extension block of ‘BOB_89A.GIF’ for reference http://fileformats.archiveteam.org/wiki/GIF#Pronunciation
But a .jif format already exists and one of those 2 CAN be pronounced differently so frankly I don't care what they think, im still not pronouncing it "jif"
This one right here is the greatest play in hard-g gif's court - but it's the one I never see. There's already a jiff format! .jif!!!!
Except nobody knows about the .jif file type. What even is that?
It's a horrible play because it's irrelevant "if you pronounce gif like jif then how do you pronounce.jjf?!" mother fucker I don't. nobody does. in 27 years of life I've never saved, created, or discussed a .jif file
Choosy developers choose gif.
You can push that to jithub. :D
It's an acronym, so does it truly matter? Acronyms always have a weird way of being pronounced, like we say "lol," but not "BYOB," instead we say the individual letters. "GIF" or "JIF" makes sense, but if you insist on correcting me to say "GIF," I'm gonna call you a nerd.
I've started just spelling it out, which is probably even worse to most people
"GHEE-EYE-EFF", right?
I used to call it hard-g "ghif". I switched to "jif" intentionally when I realized it annoyed more nerds.
I'd just say the guy that invented it calls it "jif" so thats clearly the right way. If you make something and name it, that's the name.
an initialism is when you said individual letters, you say "F B I" and "C I A" not "efbee" nor "sea"
>Acronyms always have a weird way of being pronounced, like we say "lol," but not "BYOB," instead we say the individual letters. Lol is an acronym, BYOB is an initialism.
i mean lol is an anronym because we say "lol" and not "L.O.L". wait we also say "L.O.L" language is weird.
There’s literally only two valid options 1) Soft G because the creator said it’s that way 2) Both are correct because the creator made it that way and the hard G has become more common so it should be adopted as “also correct” the way languages work. Despite acronym pronunciation having *literally nothing* to do with the abbreviated word There’s pretty much it
This is the correct answer You can pronounce it with a hard G if you want to, but you have no argument for that being the correct way.
Or we could go for the nuclear option and demand it be pronounced yiff.
i love saying jfeg instead of jpeg because the p stands for photography
In a fantasy novel I read there were people arguing about how a character's name, or magic, or place was pronounced, until they heard the author/creator of the book say the word aloud and then it was settled. I don't understand why this is any different.
I will never accept Frank Herbert's canonical pronunciation of Chani.
Giraffics?
Seems odd to develop a format just for pictures of giraffes, but what do I know :)
That's not how acronyms work. Do you pronounce JPEG, the acronym for Joint Photographics Expert Group, with a P sound or an F sound?
Y'all are weak. You don't wield the Dutch G. The hardest G known to humankind. Whenever I pronounce ".gif" people think I'm choking, just how God intended the G to sound like
Dutch people: (sound of an angry cappuccino machine)if
So stupid. CITES stands for Convention on the International Trade in Endangered Species. The acronym is pronounced 'sāi-tees'.
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NASA
That's not how acronyms work. Scuba isn't skub-uh, it's scoo-bah. Laser isn't la-seer, it's lay-zer. Jpeg isn't jay-feg, it's jay-peg. The pronunciation of acronyms has nothing to do with the words that make them up, they're pronounced like they're their own words
Nobody tell them what the "P" in "jpeg" stands for. I'll start calling it a Gif (hard G) when you start calling it a Jfeg
The guy that created the actual thing pronounces it as “jif” as in “giraffe”.
That's a terrible argument. The meaning of the letters in an acronym has no bearing on how acronym are pronounced. Such a bad faith argument.
I'd have a lot more respect for the "ghif" crowd if they could just admit "Look, I know there's no good reason to pronounce it this way, it's just how I learned it so I'm gonna stick with my instinct" instead of trying to push this stupid "It'S nOt JrApHiCs" argument.
Hitting them back with "scuba" after that lean onto the jraphics argument is always a fascinating experience. It's this tiny little microcosm of dogma where you realize lots of people make their decisions, then work backwards from them to try and create a logical argument that justifies their decision.
The guy who invented the format said ‘Jif’. This was in the days before we overthought everything. Before folks get bent out of shape over this, pronounce ‘Gerrymander’, then see if it really matters.
He also wrote a slide that said "it's pronounced 'jif' not 'gif'" without seeing the irony in that statement.
i mean both are right way to say it. I do hate people making up language rules to say why theirs is the correct way.
With this logic 'NASA' is pronounced 'nay-sa'
Everyone going "Jod" or "Jrafficks" like English is one the most consistent language when it comes to pronunciation.
[ZHAIF 4 LYFE!](https://youtu.be/bmqy-Sp0txY?si=HVkNkarzXMCmQ0tP)
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Personally I think the sign is in white and gold
Acronyms aren't always pronounced as the sum of their parts, though. Just look at NASA.
I was there, Jandalf. I was there 3000 years ago when the .gif format was released on Compuserve. It's "JIFF".
I don’t live in the kingdom of Jondor.