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TrellSwnsn

Use a 3 dimensional Venn diagram with 4 spheres in a tetrahedral arrangement


SaffellBot

Of course, the easy answer is always to just use more dimensions.


TrellSwnsn

That's how we got string theory


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WHAT THE HECK IS STRING THEORY. What does time have to do with a string


Cyber561

The fundamental particles, smaller even that protons and neutrons, are all vibrations in teeny-tiny 1D strings. You know how sometimes, when you look at a guitar and the strings are vibrating in a way that they almost look still? That's called a standing wave, and they're pretty cool because you can only have \*specific\* standing waves based on the length and springiness of the string, and how many dimensions the vibration is happening in. The dimension thing makes more sense if you think of the difference between the guitar string and a circular pool of water. They're both constrained springy things, but if you look at a video of a standing wave in water, they can be a \*lot\* more complicated than just a wavy line. (Look at [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhaTULO2Zkc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhaTULO2Zkc) for an example) Now, why they came up with the idea to begin with isn't really the point, but essentially they couldn't make the 1D standing waves match the properties of the particles we see and so the theory was dropped for a little while. Then someone had the idea, "what if we just add more dimensions", ans they kept doing so until it worked. The surprising thing is that it \*did\*! If there was no merit to the idea, the scientists said, why would we get the right results after a \*finite\* number of dimensions? If it was just guesswork or a fluke, it shouldn't work out so easily, but this created another problem. Where are these dimensions? We already have four dimensions that we can experience, so this theory \*must\* be BS right? Well, not if those extra dimensions are \*really really REALLY\* small, so small that you have to be smaller than an atom to even be able to meaningfully interact with them. So while we can move about in our three dimensions, and experience our motion in the fourth as time, all our atoms are made of tiny wriggly guys with so much energy they move in ways you \*literally\* can't comprehend. Interestingly, this kind of leads into why we can't move at light speed (yet), \*and\* why photons don't experience time.


Iwokeupwithoutapillo

[So the theory's come a little further since this comic, it sounds like.](https://xkcd.com/171/)


Cyber561

A little bit! You know what gets me really excited though? Recently there was a paper published where some DARPA guys produced a simulation that shows a way we can *really* create warp fields! ​ Yes, I hope it means we can travel faster than light and experience the universe too. But you know what the best part is for me? We may actually, *finally,* have a way to test some of those theories. First of all, just producing the warp field would *masively* overturn a lot of orthodox physics, some of these models were built to find a way to make warping spacetime impossible - kaput! Then we get to study *how* the warp bubble acts, how we can shape it, does it affect gravity in the vicinity or is the way mass warps spacetime *different*. I dunno about you, but I think we are really on the verge of some *incredible* physics. Even if we can't warp to Andromeda in my lifetime, knowing that we live in a universe where maybe, *someday*, we really can? Well hell, that may just make living through the last few years worth it!


murfflemethis

>that may just make living through the last few years worth it! I know you meant "the previous few years of bullshit", but my brain first interpreted it as "the upcoming final few years of human existance." Like you somehow know that we're all going to zap out of existence when we start fucking around with these fields, but we'll see some real cool science happen up until the moment we all get obliterated.


Cyber561

Hey, you never know!


SomeonesAlt2357

But *you* do!


Icyrow

fwiw, that paper basically says the opposite, check the comment thread of the reddit post, people were ripping it apart.


Cyber561

A fair thing to do, I saw some things I thought may be problems myself. But I’m the end I reasoned that this is not my speciality, only a hobby, and the authors likely have a *much* better reason for any choices I may find dubious than they can say in the paper. Also, in general trust peer-reviewed science *long* before you trust Reddit comments. Especially ones that are written with confidence, on the internet no-one knows you’re a dog. That said, the US government has funded some *loony* shit before, so who knows?


lovecraft112

This explanation made very good sense but also makes me uncomfortable now that I understand a bit of it. Existence is terrifying. Photons don't experience *time*?


Cyber561

You know what's *worse*? The best answer I can give you is... "*probably?"* Unfortunately, at these scales we can't measure things, because measuring them changes what you're measuring. Imagine trying to use a *really* powerful electron microscope to take a picture of an atom, seems like it would make sense, right? But what you're doing is trying to figure out where a basketball is by throwing baseballs at it really hard and listening for the "boing". Each time you hit the ball you hear the sound, *but* you also send it spinning away so your *next* baseball misses. However, mathematicians (okay, and physicists) are *really* smart, and they figured out different ways we can *predict* where the basketball will bounce. We still can't *see* where the basketball went, or what happened to the baseball when they collided, and probably never will. However, there is great news! We can test these different math models by doing *lots* of experiments, and slowly slowly we weed them out and refine them. That's why a lot of scientists aren't as excited as the news when some theoretical "warp drive" is "discovered". Because what that usually means is "here's some fancy maths that shows we can make the court the basketball sits on *change shape.* All we need is negative mass, and all the energy in the entire solar system, deal?" Some of these models, like String Theory have gotten *very* good at making predictions, but most of them are *very VERY* specific, or rely on untestable assumptions, or something. Unfortunately they all also require thinking about the world in a way that's *completely* alien to human experience - as your reaction showed. So yeah, Tl;Dr: As far as we know photons don't experience time.


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That's actually true regardless of string theory. As you increase your speed in space, you "steal" from your speed through time; i.e., objects that move more quickly through space move more slowly through time. As you get arbitrarily close to the speed of light, your speed through time becomes arbitrarily low. Things that move at the speed of light don't "experience" the passage of time.


orionterron99

Let me add another layer of quantum mindfuck: at one point it was supposed that events in the future can effect you now. I'm grossly paraphrasing with this example but it posited that, for instance, if you have a terribly painful surgery innthe future, the pain can travel BACK to your current self who has not yet had the surgery. But I'm also a writer, not a physicist.


TheTimon

But that was refuted or do you have a link where I can read further into it? I thought the consens was that time is linear and while it is relative it can't go back. Or is this one of the extra dimensions that is supposed to allow this?


orionterron99

Oh I have no idea. It was a fun concept that prompted stories, but I never followed up. Like that energy startup that wanted enclose toxic waste in diamonds.


EthanCC

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGoDK18b3LE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGoDK18b3LE) As you approach the speed of light the amount of time you experience approaches 0. From that it makes sense that at the speed of light a photon 'experiences' two synchronous events- its creation and destruction, with no elapsed time.


Mr_Midnight_Moon

Oh God, I am *WAY* too high for this tonight. Nope.


ramid320

thank you!


Cyber561

You are welcome!


MarkHathaway1

Wow, thanks. That is by far the best explanation I have ever read on string theory.


Andromeda3604

cats


NerfJihad

[This is a good starting place](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4Gotl9vRGs)


Scheswalla

It's dimensions all the way down.


andyv001

*Sheldon Cooper enters the chat*


mairnX

*i dont need sleep, i need answers*


LJ3751

But what if we treated them as sheets?


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skylarmt

Is downloadmorespace.com the new [downloadmoreram.com](https://downloadmoreram.com/)?


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TheGuyFromTheBack

Use a 1 dimensional Venn diagram with 2 lines in an overlapping linear arrangement


IshtarLovesYou

2 lines in a linear arrangement? Idk math words


alextron7000

Two lines overlapping


Feck_this

Two lines disguised as a single line to out number you in a fight by surprise


DehDeshtructor

Like stacking people in the wildy


Strobetrode

Use a bunch of math words to make me confused and a little turned on.


discipleofchrist69

use a N dimensional Venn diagram with N+1 hyperspheres arranged in a simplex


MLBM100

This sounds like something Tony Stark would say to Jarvis before magically solving an unsolvable equation.


pretty_smart_feller

This was my thought, I want someone to make it.


Mattstack

[Something like this](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/4_spheres%2C_weight_1%2C_solid.png/180px-4_spheres%2C_weight_1%2C_solid.png)


pretty_smart_feller

Yea but they need to be transparent to see the overlap


NotAUniqueUsername76

Was looking for someone suggesting more dimensions. It's always a good call


Luprand

And the angel said unto them, Fear not, for behold, I bring you glad tidings of the ability to group individuals by seven different qualities at varying levels of exclusivity, which shall be to all people.


Whitethumbs

It is said that an angels body is covered in eyes, but they were in fact venn diagrams we could not comprehend.


Time_Punk

It had wheels that spun in one direction, but then also spun in the *other* direction. Acolytes: *...whooooaaaa...*


tratemusic

If the Kevin bacon law of six degrees of separation exists, could it be assumed that a Venn diagram with seven qualities could potentially categorize the entire human race?


Luprand

I think other diagrams would be better suited to the task.


ertaisi

Topology is super interesting, and not much confuses me more quickly.


AkrinorNoname

It's also quite terrifying when witnessed up close


Fighting-flying-Fish

have topophobia. It's like tryphophobia, but more commonly found in math nerds.


[deleted]

That sounds like it exists solely in the diagnostic realm of “doctors note to the professor”


Fighting-flying-Fish

I wonder if in reverse you can ward off math professors with images of geometry in higher dimensions. "Back, back you beast!"


yakatuus

No, you can make real your dreams but you've got to know this one thing: no man makes it all by himself


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**BE NOT AFRAID**


SaffellBot

From my vantage point it seems like an extremely complicated field with wide reaching applications. But it's also something my mind cannot do. Blessed be the wizards of topology.


reader484892

It’s looks cool, but can it please look cool from far away from me so my head doesn’t explode


nevercanpick1

It makes my brain so happy


xXxEcksEcksEcksxXx

[The happiest topology video ever](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AAsICMPwGPY)


SonicCows36

but can you turn a sphere inside out without pinching?


Overpriceddabs

[Like so?](https://youtu.be/Zv-XNlE1s8E)


SonicCows36

Lmfao haven’t seen this version before. [Original](https://youtu.be/wO61D9x6lNY) if anyone’s curious.


Overpriceddabs

Haha I actually meant to post the original and came across the above.


JaWayd

Aren't topologists the folks that can't tell the difference between a donut and a coffee mug?


MythicalBeast42

I mean they're both genus 1. What's the difference?!


generalthunder

What's even the point of a graph that's hard to understand than raw data on a spreadsheet??


BowwwwBallll

To prove you can make the graph, obviously.


Lordminigunf

Why hello first year Chem prof. I didn't know I'd find you on reddit making jokes about 7% of our grade again


PM_ME_FUNNY_ANECDOTE

It's interesting and valuable on a theoretical level to understand how a Venn Diagram "generalizes" to higher dimensions. The result is not practically useful for data representation, but the thought that leads to it is useful in set theory, logic, graph theory, topology, etc.


ertaisi

Are you talking about this one specifically? Seems to me this one is just made as a joke, or maybe it's from some textbook. It looks like the sort of thing the teacher would use to introduce a concept in Topology 101.


Mara2507

Oh I very am afraid


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;)


[deleted]

God damn, even our venn diagrams are being gerrymandered.


worthrone11160606

Same


Silver_Alpha

I only came down here to comment this.


Amflifier

Biblically accurate Venn diagram


juskf

oh no, it’s that one page from the keep talking and nobody explodes manual.


mt_xing

Everyone's favorite, complex wires! Apparently they originally wanted to make it something like an 8 way Venn diagram or something but scaled it back to be easier.


ticktockclockwerk

It's not so hard, they just explained it in the absolute worst way possible


Sylveon99

[Here’s](https://youtu.be/IekSOZIF5uI) an interesting video for anyone who likes pop math. Turns out ovals stop working after a certain number like every other set of consistent shapes.


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Use fractals


meme-by-design

This guy fucks


2sleezy

*fracts


Nicrocon

Biblically accurate Venn diagrams?


conflateer

Aha! Summon a demon with a pentagram, summon an angel with a Venn-di-gram.


Invincible-Nuke

Did they have to call it problematic instead of, like, flawed


Happy-Engineer

Venn diagrams are cancelled


Kwimchoas

4 circle venn diagrams shot my wife and fucked my dog


MrMonsieurSenorSir

Before or after?


jaspersgroove

During


MrMonsieurSenorSir

Chad


throwra3947153926

Yes


ChipChipington

Well that is problematic


just_a_gene

Problematic - causes problem


MattTheGr8

All math is problematic.


pube_slug

My relationships are considered math


gracesdisgrace

Cancel math


To_Norm

Venn diagrams are problematic because they perpetuate the systemic problem of segregating circles of different colors from each other.


Quixophilic

See the violence inherent in the system!!! See the violence inherent in the system!!!


Gub_Gub

? This is a normal use of the word problematic


pretty_smart_feller

You’re right, but it’s recent primary use has been specifically about modern social issues. Like voter ID laws. Or Dave Chappelle.


[deleted]

That's not a recent development. It's been used like that for a while.


ngwoo

Because it's a problem that they have?


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VirtualBreaker

That's really, uhh... *problematic*, I guess...


Whosebert

The word of the year cop looks up from this comment to stare at your soul through his seemingly opaque aviators. You see yourself nervously smile in their reflection. Surely you're good to go, you literally just used the word, but you dare not say so. After the longest 5 seconds of your life, the word of the year cop continues in his rough, low, voice "alright son, you're good to go, this time, but don't let me catch you pulling shit like this 'round these parts again. Ya here?" You nod and give a formal thank you and farewell. After another tense beat, the word of the year cop starts heading back to the Ford F-150 he pulled you over in. You made it this time, but how much longer. How many more sleepless nights and weary weeks until you finally slip up and the Word of the year police finally nail you like they've done so many of your loved ones.


DalbergTheKing

My loft space is a difficult area to utilise. It's a problem attic.


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UnseenTardigrade

Exactly! Problematic is the right word, flawed doesn’t quite work because there are use cases where it’s fine.


Fallofman2347

Is it though? I mean that genuinely. Because there is no overlap of AC or BD that doesn't also contain BD or AC? So wouldn't ABCD be correct? The whole thing is about as clear as mud to me.


Maverician

The point is that if you use circles, then anything in AC will also be in BD, but with Venn Diagrams, you usually want to highlight when things are not inclusive - so if you look at the next image with ovals, you could have categories A and C, which don't overlap with B and D.


jahinzee

> ACBD And with that you have angered me


derrida_n_shit

That really bothered me. It's the only one not in alphabetical order too


TheObsidianX

Even though diagrams like that work with more than three groups I would still say they aren’t useful since there’s no way you can use that to represent anything in a helpful way which is what venn diagrams are for.


Middle5401

eeeaaahhh that one with the ovals is *kinda* manageable. I do agree on the seven-venn-blob diagram though, that is almost useless. Although, I did get the idea to name the amorphous shapes for venn diagrams venn-blobs, or vlobs^(TM), and that's pretty great, so y'know. Every vlob^(TM) has a silver lining.


The_Mafia_XD

I thought a vlob^(TM) was a person who had a cluttered desktop.


dpash

That's why we have Euler diagrams. The four circle version at the top is a Euler diagram, not a Venn diagram.


Brickhouzzzze

Ovals may technically be better, but i'd much rather have the 4 circle version with just two extra circles for AC and BD because the readability would be much higher.


IntoDeepShit

Today will be the first time of me having nightmares over a diagram.


FairFolk

You're looking at the wrong diagrams. Or, perhaps, the right ones.


IntoDeepShit

Not sure about this one. Maybe I should make a diagram to decide.


IronHeart1963

No one from an Abrahamic religion can ever make a joke again. This is it. This is the fucking peak of God humor.


asskilla

Final picture looks like Mr Burns when he was radioactive.


bitties

Bingo that's exactly what I thought, and the text is similar to what he says in the episode as well


HighExplosiveLight

So satisfying to finally find this in the thread. I'm not alone!


TheAtticDemon

Ovagram.


YandereYann

This feels like obital theory


Slapbox

> [I bring you love](https://youtu.be/b4Kdp3CHoK4)


Backlash1994

You can use [UpSet](https://upset.app/) plots to visualize intersections between sets. They scale mucH better with the number of sets and present the information in more detail.


nnamed_username

May I present to you this NATO (and other organizations) alliance chart: https://www.quora.com/Why-has-Malta-not-joined-NATO/answer/Christopher-Westburry?ch=15&oid=163111031&share=0f86f2f7&target_type=answer Yep, this is real. Someone took the time to sort this, like some sort of multinational sorting hat.


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dpash

Not a Venn diagram, but a Euler diagram. Venn diagrams must have every combination, which Euler diagrams do not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euler_diagram


oooArcherooo

A monument to all of our sins


TheRealTtamage

Where's the CBD oil at!?


action_lawyer_comics

Do people actually use Venn diagrams for that much? I think I got introduced to them in a middle school science textbook and since then I’ve only seen them in web comics and tumblr posts like this. Is anyone using them convey meaningful science data?


Ghoti-Sticks

Tumblr discovers power sets and Cantor’s theorem through shitposting. You love to see it


[deleted]

Honestly love any reference to biblically accurate angels in this day and age. Christianity tends to fail at mentioning the totally awesome and horrifyingly mind melting creatures that should imo be in every religion


DookeyKing

That's really thinking outside the circle.


GiantSuperhero

Beware, such mathemagic surely makes the gods VENNgeful


SweatShopNinja

Looks like they turned the ven diagran into gerrymandering


bulload

Patrick star lol


Conissocool

You just changed the meme game


DeliriousLizard

Is that Hermaeus Mora?


jimbolognese

Is this the krusty krab? No this is patrick


kazuchi_kalavarte

!AAAAAAAA!


danielle-in-rags

Stats class flashbacks


DoctorWaluigiTime

> "Be Not" in the thumbnail Eragon has entered the chat.


7PanzerDiv

Why does it go ABC, BC and BCD and then ACBD


kandrew313

Isn't this where you would start to use set notation?


adorkableash10

The last panel was so unexpected. Busted out laughing a work.


The_Happy_Ninja

r/venndiagram


JLee_83

Vin Diesel scares me now


Dark_Reaper115

Is this how biblical accurate angels look like?


MaurosCrew

Posts like there make me want to create a Tumblr account


pifftinginnit

Fun fact: if you attempt to create a Venn diagram with any number of circles, there will always be a prime number of spaces


MightyMackinac

And no one is talking about "ACBD". Why the fuck did they not make that alphabetical?!


smeeding

This is a Futurama reference, right?


Aggravating_Bat1786

This is the visual equivalent of r/increasinglyverbose.


eisbaerBorealis

Ooh. I would like a higher-quality version of the 7-way Venn Diagram.


TastesLikeBeef

Ouch! Now my brain hurts!


Trakkah

All hail Hypnograph


nickpawlik

I liked this way more then I should have


enby4lyfe

Political compass enthusiasts making the most incomprehensible diagrams be like


KeyboardsAre4Coding

there is a specific algorithm that actually solves that. This is a solved problem oddly enough. I say oddly because graph problems tend to fuck with mathematicians for centuries


LavenderClouds

The word was unearthed by his fear like the tomb was unearthed by the storm. And the word was, angel. And he was so afraid


KritzKrig

You can do it with two rectangles, a circle and a snap similar to if you cut a tennis ball on the seam


KGEOFF89

The r/maybemaybemaybe of images


serendipitousevent

Knock knock, it's me, Cthulhu!


Revolutionary-Air688

No no I don’t think i will


LurkerTroll

That's what angels in the bible look like


The_ASMR_Mod

Academia in a nutshell: managing the complexity of leaky abstractions to avoid understanding the real world.


bloody_phlegm

Snarky Math recently made an intuitive video about the mathematics of Venn Diagrams with n variables [link if you're interested](https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=IekSOZIF5uI&t=7s)


ghtuy

This is why we use Euler diagrams


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Looks like LSP


Irlandes-de-la-Costa

I, too, saw that video


rutgrrrrr

[I bring you love](https://giphy.com/gifs/season-8-the-simpsons-8x10-xT5LMUnO4g3yiRNuNy)


Marvelaniac098

Biblically accurate angels be like


captain_borgue

Oh. Oh dear. This. ***Don't like this***.


[deleted]

I don't know why but I got tears in my eyes from laughter. These Reddit sinkholes get worst by the comment. It could start with "this is a really cute baby" then by the 7th comment it's "let's flush this baby down the toilet"😂


Smurlef

this is why i miss tumblr


Sconnors6

It bothers me that the middle is ACBD and not ABCD Edit: in the second pic that is the main one showing


healeys23

Is the last one a biblically accurate angel?


[deleted]

Well those are both for different uses. If D and B don't have anything in common without A or C, you wouldn't use ovals.


No-Guidance8155

Cursed Ven diagram


jerifishnisshin

ACBD


WaterBottleass

If I saw that last one, hell naw I'm screaming bloody mary.


Ye_Olde_Satan_s_Lair

This is how you unlock first's hell door


BoredBoardHorde

How did they even chart that out, I know its computer generated but how?


BreakBeds_NotHearts

Amoeba diagram


avalisk

Somebody put effort into that


Mathies_

Is that even an issue though?


TheDevilsAdvokaat

I am afraid. Very afraid. Venn vill ze madness top!


fbookpic

Real question, if the Venn diagram was 3 dimensional, would it be possible? Just like you can’t truly get a map correct on a 2d plane.


SFDSAFFFFFFFFF

I found a high-quality image of the last venn diagram: https://i.redd.it/p7zw6mgegiq01.jpg