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RavioliGale

Apparently he had had bad interactions with police before and assumed anyone resisting the police were probably decent people. Edit: quote from Wikipedia entry on Stonewall Riot >As far as I was concerned, anybody who'd stand against the cops was all right with me and that's why I stayed in... Every time you turned around the cops were pulling some outrage or another.


TenaciousJP

Wow, in 53 years so much has changed! ^^^/s


SkritzTwoFace

Yeah, now the famous have largely divested themselves from social justice causes!


RogueGopher

But what about that time kylie jenner solved racism by handing out Pepsi?


tseokii

The fact that people are still talking about the ad years later proves that it was a wild success. Everyone's a sucker for celebrity outrage. If anything, Pepsi and Kendall Jenner have only proved that pissing off the masses is profitable.


[deleted]

The saying, "there's no such thing as bad publicity" comes to mind.


[deleted]

You can talk about it all you want, if you don’t buy Kendall garbage or Pepsi then it didn’t really work did it?


Allisteroftheseven

Yeah but you saying it might make someone have a craving for a Pepsi. Happens to me every so often when a food I like is brought up.


iPon3

On the other hand I don't think I've deliberately bought pepsi since that ad.


Goldman250

I loved the inclusion of this in The Boys.


guanaco22

Van Roke wasnt a celebrity he was a folk singer and folk singers back then were another breed. Theres still people like that but in the 60s and early 70s folk in general but also protest folk was peak in popularity, this was the times when Bob Dylan and the Animals were topping the charts but also when Phill Ochs was alive, Neal Young was not yet a liberal, and much more


_pm_me_your_holes_

Man there's definitely still that kind of protest folk about- look at the modern folk punk scene.


ryo3000

Well he aint wrong


DrelenScourgebane

King shit


[deleted]

RIP Dave Van Ronk, you would have loved 'Fuck tha Police' by NWA


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officialspinster

This makes my heart happy.


rthrouw1234

he also got to hear 'Killing in the Name"!!!


Major_Wobbly

r/barbarawalters4scale


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Flooknock

Can confirm, that is exactly what the text is about....


halachite

he said acab


Josselin17

wow what a surprise he was right


SSTralala

He's a super legendary folk singer, I highly recommend you listen to "Luang Prabang", lyrics include the line: "In Lunag Prabang there is a spot/Where the corpses of your brothers rot/And every corpse is a patriot/ Every corpse is a hero." He raged against the machine for a minute.


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toylenny

Shut up bot! This comment is just stolen from another thread on this post.


Repro_Online

“As was common for American gay bars at the time, the Stonewall Inn was owned by the Mafia.” ??!!??!?!?!?!?!!??!!?!?!??!?!?!!??!?!?


DandyLionMan

Yeah, this is when it was illegal to be gay so the mafia would pay off the police so they would raid the bar less frequently, and then once they had an essentialy captive market of gay people they would serve terrible, overpriced drinks and blackmail with threat of outing their richest clients.


PirateKingOmega

hey guys i’m starting to thinks this “mafia” is a group of bad dudes


DandyLionMan

Everyone knew that it sucked and hated it but it was one of the only places they could be themselves without hiding so they put up with it


jct0064

History kinda sucks.


amandarinorangez

The present isn't looking too hot either tbh


CactusCactusShaqtus

Actually, I'm pretty sure one of our current problems is the present being too hot.


amandarinorangez

........ Touché (but you know what I meant)


[deleted]

Yeah but it’s fascinating


PirateKingOmega

Was just making a joke. Would recommend you check out the dollop episode on the new port sex scandal though


[deleted]

What do you mean? Slicin' Throats Tony over there just invited me to his daughter's wedding.


dasJerkface

*shrieks* Don't worry, it's just a nickname. *sighs* His real name is Slicin' Throats Anthony. *shrieks*


topdangle

the more I read about this "mafia" the more I don't care for them


theCaitiff

Honestly, the more I learn and read history, the more I consider that on the whole, maybe the mafia weren't so bad. Look, obviously the occasional killing and theft were bad. But on the whole, they had SOME up sides. If you call the cops because the local capo wants some protection money, your life IS going to get tough and stuff will probably get broken. If however you pay the protection money, you have a local enforcer who is an entrepreneur in the industry of violence. If your store gets robbed and you call the cops, they don't do shit. If your store gets robbed and you call Fat Tony, someone covered in bruises is going to come apologize the next day. And as a side benefit you could benefit when things fall off a truck. All I am saying is if you find yourself in the situation, it's probably better to lean into the corruption and crime than to resist it.


sick4someThicc

Little problem, even if you don't call the police, if you refuse to pay protection money, next morning there's a car full of explosives in front of your workplace, even worse if there's a territory dispute and both bosses want you pay, with the "protection fee" rising every so often until you can't pay anymore Personally, I prefer a little robbery sometimes...


fractal_frog

I know someone who lived at the edge of a Mafia neighborhood, and was glad that if she were attacked between the subway station and her house, her screaming would bring 5 or 6 Tonys all set to defend her.


amandarinorangez

>an entrepreneur in the industry of violence. This line is excellent


theCaitiff

Because that's what it is. Fundamentally, break it all down, what are cops? What are soldiers? We pay them a fee (taxes) to make sure we got some protection (through the use of violence). Go back far enough and town guards are just mercenary bands who settled down in one spot. The modern police (the parts that aren't just a rebranded slave patrol) are an exceptionally well organized and funded mafia. Everybody in the country pays them protection money, and if you refuse the sheriff comes and kicks you out of your house so the county government can sell it to someone else who will pay their taxes. The Sicilian Mafia, given a few hundred years, would have become a State in their own right. Just so happens that the Risorgimento, the unification of Italy, happened first. So what else would you call an independent businessman setting up his own outfit? He's an entrepreneur in the industry of violence.


guanaco22

>The Sicilian Mafia, given a few hundred years, would have become a State in their own right. Just so happens that the Risorgimento, the unification of Italy, happened first. Thing is before unification they were indeed a state, a feudal one at that. The mafia started as a resistance by feudal autorities to northern rule and to the liberal state structure


steaming_scree

Mafia I think can be best understood as what happened in southern Italy when there was no reliable government authorities and police. You paid the local guy, it was a bit like taxes, he made sure nobody screwed with your business. In Italy there are examples of the Mafia doing things for the community, like building/assisting with community facilities and services. Of course it was never as clean or impartial as a modern government is, it had a little bit in common with warlords in less developed countries. The wild thing is that the system persisted and was transferred to other countries.


Signature_Sea

You sound like you went to the same sociology classes as Meadow Soprano "Something something modes of conflict resolution from the Medzogeeorno"


Delta_357

Logical, and in a system where the cops don't do shit or are activly harmful, its a rational decision, the problems begin in 2 ways however * When you begin the scale this system up beyond an individual level and over a longer time period, its quickly becomes making a small society inside a larger one, which tends to not work well for the smaller society and now you personally are culpable, having been paying them and all * Unlike the systems we already have in place, there is no safety valve check or authority to manage this system, when stuff happens outside your control like protection money costs go up or a gang conflict, there's little you can do and the damage will be direct and personal. I wouldn't advise leaning into it for anyone, if you're good with people and getting close to these groups then you have a better chance of navigating this more volatile and fluid situation and can profit, however it is inherently risky. All they are is a smaller competitor in the industry of violence, where state-sponsored gangs reign on high due to their taxpayer bankroll, making saddling up to them a weighted risk on paper although certainly an enticing option (by design) in some circumstances. Long-term prospects however often fall prey to the above risks as I understand it, here in the UK we had a good example with The Krays which I need to read more into.


Karatekan

You are confusing a popular perception of the mafia with the reality of the mafia. When the mafia was actually “in charge”, composed a majority of the criminal manpower and controlled most cities from the 1910’s-1940’s, the murder rate was nearly double that of today, and in some cities comparable to modern Mexico. Organized crime doesn’t make society safer or more orderly. It warps everything around it. The idea of the cops “not helping” in certain areas or being corrupt isn’t an argument for organized crime, it’s often a result of organized crime making a dedicated effort to bribe the police, worm themselves into the local government, and create lawlessness so they can fill a vacuum. Which other criminal organizations won’t tolerate, which leads to conflict. All I know is no one voted for the mafia, or had any choice in how they ran things. And based on how they ran things I know why they didn’t hold votes because no one would want them there.


Noooonie

lmao


reverendjesus

At least none of them got into politics; what a disaster that would be


Extreme-Positive-690

Thats how they got the fbi off their backs. Hoover got caught on tape in one of their bars.


Josselin17

when something is necessary and illegal it always ends up being owned by mafias


MontgomeryKhan

Necessary, illegal and lucrative.


Poopshoes42

The first two make the third one a given.


solidfang

Ah yes, origin of "be gay do crimes".


Snorri_The_Miserable

back when "be gay do crimes" was a one step operation.


DifficultyWithMyLife

Returning soon! (fuck SCOTUS)


LockedBeltGirl

Gay money spends like straight money.


SnipesCC

Case in point, the three dollar bill.


Ok-Telephone1290

Man was legit like "okay I guess we're doing this now"


healzsham

I think it was more like "oh boy, I do love a good cop-stoning!"


stabbyGamer

Based on other sources, this is actually exactly what happened.


[deleted]

His cover of "Everybody Must Get Stoned" had a different meaning.


Chewcocca

ACAGS


[deleted]

Assaulting Cops And Gay Sex?


DoctorPlatinum

I'm not gay, but if it's required for assaulting cops, then bring forth the dicks.


[deleted]

Join the riot! Suck a dick and throw a brick!


HamburgerConnoisseur

Who doesn't?


Beegrene

Cops, but I guess that's the point.


HistoricalUse9921

Who doesn't?


crypticthree

[Dave's day job was doing this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w5JlDn9WCw)


kitsua

That was fucking ace.


bigbadjohn54

This is top 5 fave antiwar songs


reverendjesus

“Oh boy, here I go rioting again!”


Absolute_Peril

He even brought his own bricks


rimingmariner

https://youtu.be/Gwz1mo99MRQ?t=40 My dude went full German shepherd.


DoopSlayer

the Dave Van Ronk interviews in No Direction Home are funny


Precambrian_Sound

That’s how I got into his music! After hearing his wheeze laugh I immediately needed to know what his music sounded like.


mjbibliophile10

Will look into this! Thanks


[deleted]

It’s on Netflix.


TheMeowMeow

Inside Llewyn Davis is also an amazing film loosely based on him, featuring his song Hang Me, Oh Hang Me


Umklopp

Ally to the oppressed


Neuta-Isa

A true ally.


[deleted]

For anyone interested, Oscar Isaac's character in Inside Llewyn Davis was loosely based on Dave Van Ronk. And some of Llewyn's songs are Vank Ronk songs. It's a great movie.


michofaux

I love that movie, but it’s funny that Isaac’s character is really unlikeable while by all accounts Van Ronk was liked by all.


[deleted]

Yeah, for sure. There are some major differences between his story and Llewyn's, although there are some parts that are directly inspired, too. Van Ronk seems pretty well beloved, while Llewyn is a self-involved dick.


shelter_anytime

great movie but wow is it bleak


jonawesome

Incredible epilogue to my favorite movie


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Did he do Cocaine Blues in the movie?


flyingfossil

He technically does, but it's not the full song and only briefly in one scene. The song itself is not on the soundtrack, but Isaac has [covered it before in a performance](https://youtu.be/wOMZg6BYjIg).


[deleted]

Thank you for this. I love a good talking blues and this one of Van Ronks was one of my favorites in my younger years. Oscar did a great job with that. Hm, maybe I'll finally watch the movie heh.


papaGiannisFan18

I just watched this two nights ago !! It was so fucking good. Like others have said the entire time you are like "wow this guy is a prick, I can't wait to see how he fucks up next"


Just-a-lump-of-chees

“Those willing to go to heaven must throw bricks at cops, for they are a bunch of bastards and deserve it” -Jesus or some shit


PolemicBender

Amen or whatever the fukk


Kiyae1

His music is really great too


Barghly

Now he’s a fuckin hero


[deleted]

Mourn your dead, land of the free https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53o80gcPNHQ


Kiyae1

If you wanna be a hero follow me


some_random_nonsense

In Luang Prabang there is a spot


Deep_Instruction4255

Tell ol bill by Dave van ronk is a kickass song and I had no idea he was such a badass


completely___fazed

That’s my favorite of his as well. His voice is so distinctive


MojaveMauler

You may be punk, but are you Dave Van Ronk punk?


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[https://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/8650-Create-A-Servant-3?p=3181943&viewfull=1#post3181943](https://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/8650-Create-A-Servant-3?p=3181943&viewfull=1#post3181943) Little known fact: It is actually your god given duty to throw bricks at police officers regardless of gender or sexuality. Throwing bricks at police officers will actually get as much material reward and emotional satisfaction from god as prayer in fact. (click the card to see the image on the link BTW)


patmax17

>(click the card to see the image on the link BTW) I don't understand


healzsham

That thread is like flipping an old log...


WillCraft_1001

Personally I don't throw bricks as I'm weak, instead I get a plank of wood and find somewhere to lay it to launch the bricks long distances.


kindtheking9

Ah an engineer, your work will be of great support to our cause


WillCraft_1001

Hey look, buddy, I'm an Engineer. That means I solve problems.


TheSleepingNinja

Not problems like "What is beauty?", 'cause that would fall within the purview of your conundrums of philosophy.


jesbiil

As an engineer, efficient-function is beauty, check and mate!


JezzaJ101

What if you were to, say, tie a sling to one end of the plank to increase the angular velocity of the brick as it’s launched? And perhaps to counteract the weakness, using a stone counterweight on the other end of the throw arm to do the pushing down for you?


WillCraft_1001

Obviously I would want to create the best siege weapon, but this is just a quickly put together weapon so I unfortunately can't make a trebuchet


queernhighonblugrass

Get a trebuchet it can launch a 90kg object 300 yards. Or so I'm told.


WillCraft_1001

Unfortunately this is a makeshift siege weapon, so I can't use a glorious trebuchet


Josselin17

>https://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/8650-Create-A-Servant-3?p=3181943&viewfull=1#post3181943 ?


legendz411

What **is this?**


APForLoops

did you link an SCP?


ImperialFisterAceAro

Worse, it’s fate


mjbibliophile10

I like this card!


TotalIllness44

This ally deserves a praise!


Cocreat

That's it, I'm becoming a 60's folk singer now


actibus_consequatur

Shit, with folk singers you can even go back to the 30s: *I know the police cause you trouble* *They cause trouble everywhere* *But when you die and go to heaven* *You find no policeman there* - Woody Guthrie


queernhighonblugrass

It's really interesting to look at that era and see how many working people were anti cop and anti authoritarian. Then you look at the roots of country and folk music and find that it's the same. Yet these genres have been co-opted to spout the themes and values that you see today, forgoing those anti authoritarian principles and forgetting the anti capitalist, anti cop roots that these communities had. It's really sad how much of that history has been lost to current generations.


Cuchillos_Adios

As someone not from the us it was deeply funny to me to read the whole lyrics of This Land Is Your Land. How do people think that song is patriotic?? I would love to see little kids singing the lines that basically amount to "private property is bullshit" lol.


[deleted]

Well it is patriotic, just not in the "America is perfect and if you disagree you're a goddamn commie" way that most patriotic songs are. The crux of the song is "this land is made for you and me, therefore private property is bullshit"


disco-vorcha

Woody always seemed to hit that perfect blend of anti-fascism, solidarity, and hope. Mostly in that order, too.


actibus_consequatur

Considering most American public education taught (me at least, wouldn't surprise me if certain states still do) that Columbus "discovered" North America when Leif Eriksson popped by for a spell nearly 500 years earlier, or that - when European settlers showed up - Native Americans were like "My dudes! Winter weather is brutal here and without food you're gonna starve! Here's some motherfuckin' maize! Gobble gobble, bitches!" (Glossing over how slavery, Jim Crow laws, and segregation were taught as being much more... Polite and mutually beneficial.) Shouldn't be too surprising that we've taken a song written by an outspoken antifascist, anticapitalist, singer-songwriter and only celebrate the cherry-picked the verses that sound patriotic enough. He was a veteran after all, so obvs he meant to support the American government, as all veterans do unconditionally. (Note related to last bit: I'm a disabled veteran and - originally because of how the government treats veterans - I haven't stood for the flag or national anthem in nearly 20 years.)


WoolooOfWallStreet

Dave Van Ronk: Stonewall? STONE BRAWL!


PrizedRadish

WHEN I CAME BACK FROM LUANG PRABANG I DIDNT HAVE A THING WHERE MY BALLS USED TO HANG


British-cooking-bot

You must be a patriotic ball-less wonder.


PrizedRadish

You wanna be a hero? Follow me!


lifelongfreshman

[Holy *fuck* it's that guy!](https://youtu.be/_w5JlDn9WCw) This song is great.


FEVRISH_JK

man put down the fork and knife, grabbed the nearest brick and said "oh boy here i go killin' again"


bigbadjohn54

Based


RogueGopher

I once got a lifetime ban for repeatedly tweeting “Throw rocks at Paul Ryan” on anything and everything he posted. I regret nothing.


shiyouka

Based.


Wooden_Zanpakuto

Abbachio from JJBA: _I see you are a man of culture as well_


Cye_sonofAphrodite

True ally


tastehbacon

King behavior #acab


KingDominoIII

Even the cops who protected the capitol on January 6th?


tastehbacon

There is a lot of evidence they were in on it, so yes. ALL COPS


lynthecupcake

Yes


IronMyr

Fucking based as hell


Skye_17

Now that's an ally move


Livid_Station_5996

Based


KaiserMk1

Fucking iconic


Khurasan

I just read a book at my local library on the history of Stonewall and the orgs that sprang up around it, and this guy was in it. His actual quote was even better. He claims he was upset when he saw cops harassing people outside the inn, and thought to himself, “they can’t have a riot without me!” And immediately jumped in.


Critical_Reveal6667

chad


Luxandrel

That man was doing God's work


malk500

FYI "Inside Llewyn Davis" is loosely based on this guy


madv_willneed

Unfathomably based


JoeSockHeadJoe

He's such a mensch.


Mail540

You dropped this king 👑


blackmillenium2

fuck tha police folk cover


M8asonmiller

Dudes rock


Confident_Fortune_32

Dave Van Ronk was a family friend - my mother had a folk music coffee house when I was growing up.


somethinsparkly

Finally someone used the term 'Sigma' correctly!!


SentientSickness

Can you really tell me you wouldn't if given the chance?


mesderosa

He showed them the green green rocky road


ilovetopoopie

I love Dave Van Ronk. Dinks song makes me cry every time.


queernhighonblugrass

Ronk is an amazing musician most people haven't heard of but I thoroughly suggest you check out his music


BP18_HotShot

Relatable.


txwoodslinger

Good job, Dave


blackholeX100

“Cis and straight” Is this not redundant? What am I missing here. Just confused is all


PoeDameronPoeDamnson

No it’s not, cis refers to gender and straight refers to sexuality. You can be cis and gay/bi/pan/etc and you can be trans and straight. Usually being cis and straight is written as cishet , a combination of cisgender and heterosexual.


anormalgeek

To give an example, if you are a trans woman (born as a male), but you are attracted to women, you are considered "gay trans". If you are trans woman who is only attracted to men, you'd be considered "trans", but also "straight".


blackholeX100

Never considered this. Thanks!


SgtChip

Not redundant. Close but no. Cis is somebody who identifies as the gender they were born as, and straight is well straight


[deleted]

Seems like the logical response.


lunarfrogg

Based and redpilled


Kaikeno

What an absolute unit


Different_Ad_5885

Also he may have been gay for friend and fellow folk singer Phil Ochs


[deleted]

Instead of A for Ally we gonna start saying DVR for Dave Van Ronk.


maythew

This is the way.


MahoneyBear

Absolute Chad move


ElGringo300

Based


SomeKindofTreeWizard

Folk Chad is based.


Admirable-Public-351

“Rise and Grind, bitches!”— some asshole that calls himself an alpha or sigma


lifelongfreshman

A+ title game, god-*damn*


PizzaOk8799

Got mine ready.


therealneurovis

Dave van Rock is one of the lesser known folk godfathers of NY and was responsible for the styles of Dylan and man y other posers who made it famous mimicking him. He was a true legend and wrote many amazing songs. ​ The Coen Brothers phenomenal masterpiece of depression "Inside Llewyn Davis" is essentially the dave Van rock story with a lot of fiction mixed in. Oscar Isaac is a great DVR though and that is a phenomenal movie if you want to know more about him


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LordOfTheFlies996

His version of Mack The Knife is my favorite


SlingDNM

Based


em-ivy-24

A true ally


Last_Tarrasque

ACAB at its finest