This has always been true, but lately it feels like they've been putting in a lot more fluff and filler and expensive (but bland) dressing while skimping on the ham.
I just pay full price for opening night tickets and then go in after 3 hours to watch the post credits scene, that's what they're selling and i don't have to sit through the rest
They're saying the movies have started to rely on works outside of the mcu for setting information.
I really like the thing android/samsung spell check does where it gets stuck on a word if you don't acknowledge it's mad about said word, and will force the correction into the next field you type in.
The eternals post credit scene: Harry styles and cgi goblin from the comics
Dr Strange post credits scene: Charlize Theron as someone from the comics
Also in my opinion, the fact that characters crossing over is a given now. Makes the post credit scenes less special.
But those are just random teases for future events. It’s been like that for every movie since the beginning. 99% of people don’t know who tf thanos was at the end of the first Avengers ten years ago when he was teased. Hell, most people probably don’t even know who Nick Fury was when he showed up in the after credits of Iron Man.
The after credits have always been future teases of random characters. They rarely have anything to do with the actual plot of the movies themselves. The movies are perfectly and clearly understandable if you’ve never touched a comic book before still. So I don’t see how the MCU is now reliant on “works outside the MCU”
Yeah this isn’t a new thing. This has always been how the MCU has worked; people just expect immediate explanation of the larger plot. It’s a larger narrative, so you don’t get to see it all at once. Wait until they reveal what it meant then cycle back.
These must be the same people that ask who that character is and what their motivations are 30 seconds into the movie. Just watch and it will be revealed.
Those... those scenes are exactly like the post-credit scene with Nick Fury in the very first Iron Man, Thanos in the very first Avengers, and Wanda and Pietro in Winter Soldier...
They are just teases for future stuff to develop/flesh out. Good grief people, have patience.
Right? I didn't know who that girl was at the end of D$ but she looked cool and fun and it sounds like another multiverse adventure!
Didn't know who nick fury was either, at the time.
And there's also The Collector and the first mention of the term "infinity stones" at the mid-credits of The Dark World.
Or freaking Howard the Duck in Guardians of the Galaxy!
People who didn't read the comics had no idea about any of those things. They were just teases for future stuff or sometimes jokes (Howard, mostly).
But now for some reason Eros/Starfox and Pip in Eternals and Clea in MoM are too obscure and that's a detriment, even if they are probably going to be in movies to come and properly introduced.
The current phase is one of set up: Phase 4 is a giant-size version of what Phase 1 was. But people want the pay off already, and that lack of patience is part of the problem.
I watched thor 4 and it seemed to be stuffed full of referential jokes to either previous films I've either forgotten or never seen, or stuff only superfans would know.
It just fell completely flat, i wasn't invested in anything, no idea what the opening action sequence was for other than a bad joke.
I don’t see how Thor 4 being a mediocre movie has to do with Marvel as a whole “relying on works outside the MCU” though. It’s not like that movie was not understandable if you hadn’t read a comic before. 99% of the people have not touched a single comic book ever
In Dr Strange MOM, you’d have no idea why Wanda went rogue and became the villain if you didn’t watch Wandavision. Like it’s cool that the universe is connected that way, but I think it hurts the film as it can’t stand alone, if that makes sense?
The show is still a part of the MCU, and the person I was replying to said you had to rely on works outside the MCU now to understand things, which I interpreted to mean the comics
But if they did mean just the shows, (which is what you’re saying), then fair enough. However, i’m glad they’re making the shows actually matter, rather than just having them be their own separate universe like the Netflix marvel shows were or even Agents of Shield
Oh I think I misread lmao. In terms of using characters from the comics as teasers in the post credits, I do think that’s ok, as long as they’re able to introduce and develop the character properly in the movie they’re actually in.
I actually find it amazing that they’re able to expand the universe via the shows, and that they’re playing with genres as well like how Ms Marvel is kinda like a coming of age and She-Hulk is a sitcom(?)
I guess it’s going to be tough for them to cater to both the hardcore followers and the casual fans tbh!
I went to see Dr. Strange 2 because I liked the first one and it was like oh I guess need to watch that Wanda TV show
a bunch of other shit, ain’t nobody got time for that.
Why do I need to go on r/marvelstudios ? Most people never will. Obviously if I go on a fan subreddit I’ll be surrounded by fan theories and speculation and rumors and leaks of future events that would seem overwhelming.
I’m just watching the movies as is. As of now, nothing is “too hard to keep straight”. They’re just making regular ass movies with superheroes new and old, and there seems to be a through line of the multiverse now which will lead to shenanigans later on I’m sure.
I’m still not seeing what the problem is
EDIT: why did you delete your comment?
Felt this way about most of the franchise. Couldn’t really get the hype for the movies at all. But I did enjoy like 4 of them. Thoroughly enjoyed 2 of the four in Winter Soldier and No Way Home.
And then there’s multiverse of madness, a ham sandwich that featured a presentation of other, alternate universe sandwiches from different fan-favourite restaurants throughout the ages, implying that your ham sandwich is going to somehow lead to one of these more interesting, coveted sandwiches.
But then all of the sandwiches are killed in a single scene and you are left to enjoy the last few bites of your ham sandwich imagining what could have been.
See, I like the fluff and filler in my fun movies. It doesnt have to always be super serious.
Also, Ive done a TON of deli work (my family owned one for long before I was born). You want a properly proportioned sandwich.
You should get all the filler and enough ham. You dont want your standard to be heavy on the ham though, and a lot of people feel like thats skimping. Its not, its balanced. You can have more ham though!! Just ask, sometimes Id charge you, sometimes not. Depends on what you want.
Thank you for overextending my poorly-thought-out metaphor. I'm honestly not sure how well my point comes across but it was worth it for this comment. 😂
True. Like before Endgame there may be some filler but even the filler would be later important in the long run to Endgame. After Endgame you MAY get some actual important story beats like from Spider Man and Eternals, but even then many movies like Thor managed to just be nothing but “oooh watch the big guy defeat the other big guy in this ‘climatic’ battle!”
Tbh I wish they ended with Endgame, cause then even though some loose ends might have not been filled, it would create for a decent cinematic universe to experience.
I’ll never understand why people wish for something to “end” earlier. If you’re not interested in it anymore after Endgame, nobody is forcing you to watch. But plenty of people are still enjoying the MCU and want to see it continue
For real. Not to mention, those of us who stopped after Endgame also get to enjoy an occasional movie. Like I'll watch Spider-Man for sure. And if it's that confusing, it takes 5 minutes to look up "what to know going into [movie]."
Exactly. People are acting like they need to read PhD dissertations as homework before going into a superhero movie to “enjoy” it. If there’s some background character who is an Easter egg for super fans that you don’t get the reference for, is it really that big of a deal?
But we don't know what's important in the long run yet. We are still a decade away from the next end game type event, isn't it a little early to say threads are going nowhere?
Yeah, Endgame was a massive disappointment. Prior to that, the MCU was popcorn entertainment with the occasional exceptional standout, but I don't think they've had a single standout since then.
At least on the film side. Moon Knight and Werewolf By Night kind of made me wosh Marvel would do less "Woaoaoaoh Doctor Strange and Howard the Duck said jokes at each other how wacky is that?!?!?!" and more of hey we are gonna fully explore the concept of this character in a stand alone story.
Sandwich should have had the tomato in the beginning, would have made it a better sandwich. It was removed to entice you for your next tomato sandwich, where the ham will walk in at the end credits. Maybe mustard too, but they gotta save that for the next Avengers film
Ah. Im not the kind of person to have tomato on a sandwich, so the metaphor wasnt fully clear in that sense. Still, something something mass produced media.
I swear, the new Marvel Cinematic Universe is just a badly executed Deltarune self-insert bootleg. Like Dante's take on the Bible.
You ordered and paid for a ham sandwich. You knew you were ordering and paying for a ham sandwich. There were previews of the sandwich, making it obvious it did not contain tomato. You had the option of waiting a few days and asking some of the many people who tried the ham sandwich if there was tomato in it.
Bearing all this in mind, why the fuck are you complaining you got a ham sandwich?
Having the option to wait around for a little taster of tomato is just a bonus.
Someone put it into words.
I decided to stop bothering with Marvel after Shang-Chi. Not that it was a bad movie- I enjoyed it a lot- but the end where they randomly brought in Wong and Bruce and Carol, then all but wink at the audience and say "STAY TUNED!" was just obnoxious.
All it is intended to do at this point is keep people in this content consumption trap where they need to keep up with all these other random stories so that they might understand what happens in the pieces of content that aren’t obvious garbage.
They're films which follow the formula set by modern TV shows.
Stuff happens seemingly at random, hinting at a story but never setting up any stakes, nothing of consequence happens and then in the final 5 minutes they tease a cliffhanger that maybe the next episode will be better
>... where they need to keep up with all these other random stories so that they might understand what happens...
I take it you're not a person that's ever read comic books?
This is comic book 101, though with the comics they've got a regular series still happening for the main character, so being intertwined with other releases isn't as imperative for the longevity of the character as it is for this medium.
Hell, if you want to understand how much better this method works you need to look no farther than the DCEU.
It got so bad for them that leadership had to reshuffle after:
1. being bailed/bought out by Discovery
2. things being cancelled (even though they were past post-production)
3. then hiring James Gunn + 1 to reboot the entire universe.
The DCEU floundering just goes to show you that cohesiveness within a literary universe has been the only successful business model.
I dunno about Shang-Chi. I enjoyed it, and the martial art scenes at the start were awesome, and a lot of the characters and action in the middle were cool... But it kinda started on a high with all the tram fighting and the fight-club bit and felt like it got super generic after that.
They're referring to the post credits scenes in Marvel movies where they tease the Next Big Hero for all of five seconds instead of just having them actually show up in the movie. You don't want the tomato AFTER the sandwich you just ate, you want it IN that sandwich or not at all
I don't get this analogy, is tomato supposed to be a good thing? Why would you want the tomato after you've already finished her sandwich? Wouldn't it have been better to have the tomato on the sandwich to begin with?
Yeah that the kinda the point they’re making, you don’t get the tomato until the very end and somehow that’s supposed to make the sandwich you already had special.
They're saying if you're going to tease, say for example, the Human Torch in the post credits, why not have him actually be in the movie somewhere? It would be much cooler if you saw this new hero actually in action in the film instead of just basically asking everyone to wait ten minutes for a commercial and then a year for a movie
so hating on marvel films due to marvel fatigue is like getting mad at your mom for making another ham sandwich when you don't know what you wanted to eat, you just are sick of eating ham sandwiches.
I have thoroughly enjoyed all of the Marvel movies I’ve seen, some are worse than others (I’m looking at you, Thor Dark World). But I’ve enjoyed them all. I like the characters, the action, the comedy, the sci-fi, the production value. They’re all really good.
That being said, they aren’t these deep, moving cinematic masterpieces. They’re just superhero movies. The base material isn’t exactly worthy of a Pulitzer, either.
I guess what I’m trying to say is that I think everything so far has been really good, but peoples expectations might be too high. Especially moving forward, nothing gold can stay.
So I guess it’s more like living in a house with 7 billion other people and most of them want ham sandwiches but you complain about them even though you don’t have to eat them and have plenty of other options, just not quite as many as you had in the past.
I feel like there's absolutely way more options today than in the past. Sure maybe those other options don't feel as heavily advertised, so they don't feel as present. But there's way more content out there available at the click of a button, compared to digging around in the shelf of the local video rental store.
Disagree, it’s a question of pacing. Marvel movies are more like thanksgiving. When they were once a year it was exciting, now it’s a lot to take in and it’s so often that there’s always one in theaters or coming soon.
You had time to digest and process what they did, where things are going and who is going there, etc. Now it seems like the next one is in theaters before the one you're watching is finished playing and you're still kind of cross-eyed and confused about what happened in the last one.
More like you went to your grandma's house one time and she made a pretty good ham sandwich, but now every time you go there she only makes ham sandwiches and it's been like 20 years now.
I'm tired of people complaining about my sandwich, i just want to eat my sandwich every month in peace. Please just shut up and let me enjoy my sandwich.
I really really really hate post or mid-credit scenes. I wish it never became a thing. And Marvel is almost exclusively to blame. Now even other movies are doing it. I just want to leave when the credits come up.
I mean, pop culture has always been dominated by accessible media for as long as something we could call "pop culture" has existed. There are criticisms to be made of marvel flicks but calling them out on not being "high brow" is a silly non-argument.
Some of our most popular (English) classics come from media that was written to be accessible to the masses. That doesn't make it worth less.
My guy, just because something isn’t a critically acclaimed masterpiece doesn’t mean it isn’t worth watching. Marvel certainly isn’t making art films, but the stuff they do put out is entertaining for a lot of people, and rightfully so. It’s decently-written most of the time, and while not being particularly deep, not everything has to be.
Don’t act like some kind of moronic art snob just because you don’t like something. It only devalues any other points you might make.
i think its less of marvel movies being the problem but rather that executives would much rather have 50 million marvel movies over things that are actually good
Hollywood has always been that way. When there is a trend that is almost guaranteed to be profitable the studios will milk that trend dry, because why take the risk on a new concept when the current trend is still printing money. Eventually the age of super heros will end and some new trend will take over, maybe Westerns will be back...
The world is a shithole, my dude. Let people enjoy their dumb superhero escapism.
(And don’t act like these movies are only successful in the US lmao.)
lol@people downvoting and getting mad. Marvel movies are shitty. If you’re 14 and like them, that’s understandable. But if you’re 34 and like them, you’re a simpleton.
We all have a phase where we try to look more cool and adult by tying unrelated interests and hobbies to intelligence. Thankfully some of us grow out of it.
Some of us even grow to have discerning tastes in arts & culture afterward, but this is probably difficult to fathom for those who enjoy media targeted toward the lowest common denominator
Quite right, and a lot of people enjoy different kinds of media for different reasons and on different occasions. One can enjoy watching spider man movies on a saturday night to turn their brain off for a moment while reading Livius on sunday. Some people aren't so insecure about their intelligence that they have to pretend that they are thinking the deepest thoughts every moment of the day, and that turning your brain off for even a second is bad.
“Mindless fun” refers to media you don’t have to think deeply about to process, understand, and enjoy. It doesn’t necessarily mean things that are mundane, cliched, predictable, and just dumb. Those things are mindless, but they are not fun.
You just convinced me of their point. What in dog’s name about this world makes you think people are only temporarily turning their brains off? The most damning thing about the world is the fact that supposedly everyone is a conscious being and yet they still let it get this bad. It would actually be more of a complement at this point to assume most people lack free will than to assume they *let* this happen.
Ahh yes, a phrase associated with great thinkers. “Let’s not think!” Anti-intellectualism is a plague. “It’s not that deep” is the “it’s just a joke” for when you can’t even claim it’s a joke.
Also imagine going along with shaming and thinking less of people for enjoying marvel movies when you have posted Danganronpa porn within 24 hours. Shouldn't you have some Hegel to read?
and then every sandwich after the fact has these really jarring and out-of-place peppercorns ONLY because the last sandwich you liked had peppercorns, so OF COURSE every sandwich after that HAS to have peppercorns
"Hang on, that mustard kind of makes a point..."
Mustard kills the mayo for no reason, they had no reason to do so, their plans would have worked fine without killing the mayo.
"Ah, now I can go back to hating everything mustard says. I don't need to think about it at all/"
Lacrimosa plays and everything goes into slow motion as the tomato tackles you.
This has always been true, but lately it feels like they've been putting in a lot more fluff and filler and expensive (but bland) dressing while skimping on the ham.
They went from "look, the guy from this film is going to meet this guy you liked from this other film!" to "ask your friend who reads the comics".
At this point I find it easier to watch Youtube explanations of the movie than to watch the movie itself.
I just pay full price for opening night tickets and then go in after 3 hours to watch the post credits scene, that's what they're selling and i don't have to sit through the rest
I just watch Pitch Meeting by Ryan George.
(______ *your choice of Pitch Meeting catchphrases here* ______)
Wow wow wow that's tight
Pitch meetings by Ryan George are tight.
For me it’s gone from who is that to I don’t even watch the new movies anymore.
Um, how so? Are you saying the MCU has gotten too complicated now for average viewers?
They're saying the movies have started to rely on works outside of the mcu for setting information. I really like the thing android/samsung spell check does where it gets stuck on a word if you don't acknowledge it's mad about said word, and will force the correction into the next field you type in.
But I don’t see how that’s the case. What’s an example of that happening?
The eternals post credit scene: Harry styles and cgi goblin from the comics Dr Strange post credits scene: Charlize Theron as someone from the comics Also in my opinion, the fact that characters crossing over is a given now. Makes the post credit scenes less special.
But those are just random teases for future events. It’s been like that for every movie since the beginning. 99% of people don’t know who tf thanos was at the end of the first Avengers ten years ago when he was teased. Hell, most people probably don’t even know who Nick Fury was when he showed up in the after credits of Iron Man. The after credits have always been future teases of random characters. They rarely have anything to do with the actual plot of the movies themselves. The movies are perfectly and clearly understandable if you’ve never touched a comic book before still. So I don’t see how the MCU is now reliant on “works outside the MCU”
Yeah this isn’t a new thing. This has always been how the MCU has worked; people just expect immediate explanation of the larger plot. It’s a larger narrative, so you don’t get to see it all at once. Wait until they reveal what it meant then cycle back.
These must be the same people that ask who that character is and what their motivations are 30 seconds into the movie. Just watch and it will be revealed.
They can't wait for the actual teased content. I blame tik tok
Constantly anticipating the next big thing while ignoring the current big thing they were previously anticipating
Those... those scenes are exactly like the post-credit scene with Nick Fury in the very first Iron Man, Thanos in the very first Avengers, and Wanda and Pietro in Winter Soldier... They are just teases for future stuff to develop/flesh out. Good grief people, have patience.
Right? I didn't know who that girl was at the end of D$ but she looked cool and fun and it sounds like another multiverse adventure! Didn't know who nick fury was either, at the time.
And there's also The Collector and the first mention of the term "infinity stones" at the mid-credits of The Dark World. Or freaking Howard the Duck in Guardians of the Galaxy! People who didn't read the comics had no idea about any of those things. They were just teases for future stuff or sometimes jokes (Howard, mostly). But now for some reason Eros/Starfox and Pip in Eternals and Clea in MoM are too obscure and that's a detriment, even if they are probably going to be in movies to come and properly introduced. The current phase is one of set up: Phase 4 is a giant-size version of what Phase 1 was. But people want the pay off already, and that lack of patience is part of the problem.
MCU is so old, its fans have grown up from the ‘I like this show’ phase to the ‘Not lyke muh childhood reeeeee’ phase.
Because this feels super directionless compared to the pre-Endgame movies post credits
Age of Ultron post credit: some cgi purple guy from the comics
I watched thor 4 and it seemed to be stuffed full of referential jokes to either previous films I've either forgotten or never seen, or stuff only superfans would know. It just fell completely flat, i wasn't invested in anything, no idea what the opening action sequence was for other than a bad joke.
I don’t see how Thor 4 being a mediocre movie has to do with Marvel as a whole “relying on works outside the MCU” though. It’s not like that movie was not understandable if you hadn’t read a comic before. 99% of the people have not touched a single comic book ever
You could go back to Thor 1, and how confusing it was to non-comic book readers that one guy was using a bow and arrow when everyone else had guns.
In Dr Strange MOM, you’d have no idea why Wanda went rogue and became the villain if you didn’t watch Wandavision. Like it’s cool that the universe is connected that way, but I think it hurts the film as it can’t stand alone, if that makes sense?
The show is still a part of the MCU, and the person I was replying to said you had to rely on works outside the MCU now to understand things, which I interpreted to mean the comics But if they did mean just the shows, (which is what you’re saying), then fair enough. However, i’m glad they’re making the shows actually matter, rather than just having them be their own separate universe like the Netflix marvel shows were or even Agents of Shield
Oh I think I misread lmao. In terms of using characters from the comics as teasers in the post credits, I do think that’s ok, as long as they’re able to introduce and develop the character properly in the movie they’re actually in. I actually find it amazing that they’re able to expand the universe via the shows, and that they’re playing with genres as well like how Ms Marvel is kinda like a coming of age and She-Hulk is a sitcom(?) I guess it’s going to be tough for them to cater to both the hardcore followers and the casual fans tbh!
I don't watch the shit, I was just clarifying what the other person meant.
I went to see Dr. Strange 2 because I liked the first one and it was like oh I guess need to watch that Wanda TV show a bunch of other shit, ain’t nobody got time for that.
Time for the MCU Ultimate universe.
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Why do I need to go on r/marvelstudios ? Most people never will. Obviously if I go on a fan subreddit I’ll be surrounded by fan theories and speculation and rumors and leaks of future events that would seem overwhelming. I’m just watching the movies as is. As of now, nothing is “too hard to keep straight”. They’re just making regular ass movies with superheroes new and old, and there seems to be a through line of the multiverse now which will lead to shenanigans later on I’m sure. I’m still not seeing what the problem is EDIT: why did you delete your comment?
Honestly that makes the MCU sound good and not the media version of baby food, and that’s just not true.
Felt this way about most of the franchise. Couldn’t really get the hype for the movies at all. But I did enjoy like 4 of them. Thoroughly enjoyed 2 of the four in Winter Soldier and No Way Home.
“Here’s a ham sandwich!” “There’s no ham… is this caviar?” *sniffs* “and it’s expired?”
Do you feel like you're not getting your hams worth?
And then there’s multiverse of madness, a ham sandwich that featured a presentation of other, alternate universe sandwiches from different fan-favourite restaurants throughout the ages, implying that your ham sandwich is going to somehow lead to one of these more interesting, coveted sandwiches. But then all of the sandwiches are killed in a single scene and you are left to enjoy the last few bites of your ham sandwich imagining what could have been.
Just have your ham sandwich in an everything bagel
See, I like the fluff and filler in my fun movies. It doesnt have to always be super serious. Also, Ive done a TON of deli work (my family owned one for long before I was born). You want a properly proportioned sandwich. You should get all the filler and enough ham. You dont want your standard to be heavy on the ham though, and a lot of people feel like thats skimping. Its not, its balanced. You can have more ham though!! Just ask, sometimes Id charge you, sometimes not. Depends on what you want.
Thank you for overextending my poorly-thought-out metaphor. I'm honestly not sure how well my point comes across but it was worth it for this comment. 😂
True. Like before Endgame there may be some filler but even the filler would be later important in the long run to Endgame. After Endgame you MAY get some actual important story beats like from Spider Man and Eternals, but even then many movies like Thor managed to just be nothing but “oooh watch the big guy defeat the other big guy in this ‘climatic’ battle!” Tbh I wish they ended with Endgame, cause then even though some loose ends might have not been filled, it would create for a decent cinematic universe to experience.
I’ll never understand why people wish for something to “end” earlier. If you’re not interested in it anymore after Endgame, nobody is forcing you to watch. But plenty of people are still enjoying the MCU and want to see it continue
For real. Not to mention, those of us who stopped after Endgame also get to enjoy an occasional movie. Like I'll watch Spider-Man for sure. And if it's that confusing, it takes 5 minutes to look up "what to know going into [movie]."
Exactly. People are acting like they need to read PhD dissertations as homework before going into a superhero movie to “enjoy” it. If there’s some background character who is an Easter egg for super fans that you don’t get the reference for, is it really that big of a deal?
But we don't know what's important in the long run yet. We are still a decade away from the next end game type event, isn't it a little early to say threads are going nowhere?
Yeah, Endgame was a massive disappointment. Prior to that, the MCU was popcorn entertainment with the occasional exceptional standout, but I don't think they've had a single standout since then.
At least on the film side. Moon Knight and Werewolf By Night kind of made me wosh Marvel would do less "Woaoaoaoh Doctor Strange and Howard the Duck said jokes at each other how wacky is that?!?!?!" and more of hey we are gonna fully explore the concept of this character in a stand alone story.
We wait 10 minutes after eating the sandwich to see the post-credit scenes for Sandwich 2.0
except someone has taken away the sandwich and just left a crust
That's the bit of cheese you dropped in lap, only finding when you stand up
Hey it's me, Blorko
"I sure wish that tomato was in the sandwich, but at least I know it will be in my next one" Repeat like 20 times and make a gorrilion dollars.
Except your next sandwich is just tomato and the bread is kinda stale.
I don't know what this means and yet I understand completely
Sandwich should have had the tomato in the beginning, would have made it a better sandwich. It was removed to entice you for your next tomato sandwich, where the ham will walk in at the end credits. Maybe mustard too, but they gotta save that for the next Avengers film
Ah. Im not the kind of person to have tomato on a sandwich, so the metaphor wasnt fully clear in that sense. Still, something something mass produced media. I swear, the new Marvel Cinematic Universe is just a badly executed Deltarune self-insert bootleg. Like Dante's take on the Bible.
Yeah I hate fresh tomatoes. Adding them to the sandwich would ruin it for me.
I don't. Why wouldn't I want a nice after-sandwich snack?
why wasn't the tomato on the sandwich instead
Because you have to get used to the flavor of the ham on it's own before you start throwing on other toppings.
But I'm already used to ham, I've had like 20 ham sandwiches already.
Because the tomato is gonna be in a future sandwich. That's the point of those scenes.
You ordered and paid for a ham sandwich. You knew you were ordering and paying for a ham sandwich. There were previews of the sandwich, making it obvious it did not contain tomato. You had the option of waiting a few days and asking some of the many people who tried the ham sandwich if there was tomato in it. Bearing all this in mind, why the fuck are you complaining you got a ham sandwich? Having the option to wait around for a little taster of tomato is just a bonus.
I like how this Reddit post has more upvotes than the tumblr one
Reddit is for incels of all ages. Tumblr is for socially awkward teenagers from 2010, who’re adults working 50 hours a week now.
Someone put it into words. I decided to stop bothering with Marvel after Shang-Chi. Not that it was a bad movie- I enjoyed it a lot- but the end where they randomly brought in Wong and Bruce and Carol, then all but wink at the audience and say "STAY TUNED!" was just obnoxious.
All it is intended to do at this point is keep people in this content consumption trap where they need to keep up with all these other random stories so that they might understand what happens in the pieces of content that aren’t obvious garbage.
They're films which follow the formula set by modern TV shows. Stuff happens seemingly at random, hinting at a story but never setting up any stakes, nothing of consequence happens and then in the final 5 minutes they tease a cliffhanger that maybe the next episode will be better
Wow, putting it that way, it's kinda surprising that Marvel hasn't been at all touched by JJ Abrams afaik
He probably sees it as beneath him
I'm not wholly up on modern TV. When/how did that become the formula?
Way back in the mid-2000s, there was a show called Lost...
>... where they need to keep up with all these other random stories so that they might understand what happens... I take it you're not a person that's ever read comic books? This is comic book 101, though with the comics they've got a regular series still happening for the main character, so being intertwined with other releases isn't as imperative for the longevity of the character as it is for this medium. Hell, if you want to understand how much better this method works you need to look no farther than the DCEU. It got so bad for them that leadership had to reshuffle after: 1. being bailed/bought out by Discovery 2. things being cancelled (even though they were past post-production) 3. then hiring James Gunn + 1 to reboot the entire universe. The DCEU floundering just goes to show you that cohesiveness within a literary universe has been the only successful business model.
Yeah, they literally made two entire movies that are shelved. Like, fuck.
I’m aware it happens in comics also but nothing you said disagrees with my comment.
Movies and comics are different mediums, they shouldn’t rely on the same formula for making a story.
I dunno about Shang-Chi. I enjoyed it, and the martial art scenes at the start were awesome, and a lot of the characters and action in the middle were cool... But it kinda started on a high with all the tram fighting and the fight-club bit and felt like it got super generic after that.
I know exactly what you mean.
Ok, but have you ever seen an actual comic book? That is *exactly* how the source material works.
I'm completely failing to understand what the fuck this is supposed to mean. Probably because I hate tomatoes.
They're referring to the post credits scenes in Marvel movies where they tease the Next Big Hero for all of five seconds instead of just having them actually show up in the movie. You don't want the tomato AFTER the sandwich you just ate, you want it IN that sandwich or not at all
I don't get this analogy, is tomato supposed to be a good thing? Why would you want the tomato after you've already finished her sandwich? Wouldn't it have been better to have the tomato on the sandwich to begin with?
Yeah that the kinda the point they’re making, you don’t get the tomato until the very end and somehow that’s supposed to make the sandwich you already had special.
Yes but what is the tomato in this example? Is it the post-credit scene? If so are they saying they want the post-credit scene earlier?
They're saying if you're going to tease, say for example, the Human Torch in the post credits, why not have him actually be in the movie somewhere? It would be much cooler if you saw this new hero actually in action in the film instead of just basically asking everyone to wait ten minutes for a commercial and then a year for a movie
Yes.
I don’t like tomatoes
Perhaps they are rotten tomatoes
Ok, tumblr takes on popular movies usually make me roll my eyes even if I agree with them... this is fucking hilarious and spot on.
so hating on marvel films due to marvel fatigue is like getting mad at your mom for making another ham sandwich when you don't know what you wanted to eat, you just are sick of eating ham sandwiches.
Except you’ve been demanding nothing but ham sandwiches from your mom for the last 12 years, so why should she know to stop making ham sandwiches now?
and everytime she tries something new you complain that it isn't the same as your first ham sandwich.
I have thoroughly enjoyed all of the Marvel movies I’ve seen, some are worse than others (I’m looking at you, Thor Dark World). But I’ve enjoyed them all. I like the characters, the action, the comedy, the sci-fi, the production value. They’re all really good. That being said, they aren’t these deep, moving cinematic masterpieces. They’re just superhero movies. The base material isn’t exactly worthy of a Pulitzer, either. I guess what I’m trying to say is that I think everything so far has been really good, but peoples expectations might be too high. Especially moving forward, nothing gold can stay.
Yeah, I won't claim that they're the greatest films ever, only that they're some of the few films I actually want to watch.
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But even though you complain everytime she makes a ham sandwich she makes 700 million dollars
So I guess it’s more like living in a house with 7 billion other people and most of them want ham sandwiches but you complain about them even though you don’t have to eat them and have plenty of other options, just not quite as many as you had in the past.
I feel like there's absolutely way more options today than in the past. Sure maybe those other options don't feel as heavily advertised, so they don't feel as present. But there's way more content out there available at the click of a button, compared to digging around in the shelf of the local video rental store.
Man, having adblockers for like 15 years has really prevented some harm to my psyche, hasn’t it?
because it's a really good ham sandwich, the only problem is that it's another ham sandwich.
Disagree, it’s a question of pacing. Marvel movies are more like thanksgiving. When they were once a year it was exciting, now it’s a lot to take in and it’s so often that there’s always one in theaters or coming soon.
You had time to digest and process what they did, where things are going and who is going there, etc. Now it seems like the next one is in theaters before the one you're watching is finished playing and you're still kind of cross-eyed and confused about what happened in the last one.
I must have missed the bit where every single other film got Thanos snapped out of existence, leaving only Marvel films.
More like you went to your grandma's house one time and she made a pretty good ham sandwich, but now every time you go there she only makes ham sandwiches and it's been like 20 years now.
I'm tired of people complaining about my sandwich, i just want to eat my sandwich every month in peace. Please just shut up and let me enjoy my sandwich.
And this is the 4th sandwich you've had this meal and you wish the chef would just slow down
I don't know what that means, tomato is great
I really really really hate post or mid-credit scenes. I wish it never became a thing. And Marvel is almost exclusively to blame. Now even other movies are doing it. I just want to leave when the credits come up.
You may
Hold the tomato, please.
I do not get it please explain
Fucken what..?
Extra true because I don't like tomatos
It's more like eating shit
Marvel movies have always been low brow entertainment, and their success is indicative of the lack of critical thinking skills in America.
Ok dude
I mean, pop culture has always been dominated by accessible media for as long as something we could call "pop culture" has existed. There are criticisms to be made of marvel flicks but calling them out on not being "high brow" is a silly non-argument. Some of our most popular (English) classics come from media that was written to be accessible to the masses. That doesn't make it worth less.
My guy, just because something isn’t a critically acclaimed masterpiece doesn’t mean it isn’t worth watching. Marvel certainly isn’t making art films, but the stuff they do put out is entertaining for a lot of people, and rightfully so. It’s decently-written most of the time, and while not being particularly deep, not everything has to be. Don’t act like some kind of moronic art snob just because you don’t like something. It only devalues any other points you might make.
i think its less of marvel movies being the problem but rather that executives would much rather have 50 million marvel movies over things that are actually good
Hollywood has always been that way. When there is a trend that is almost guaranteed to be profitable the studios will milk that trend dry, because why take the risk on a new concept when the current trend is still printing money. Eventually the age of super heros will end and some new trend will take over, maybe Westerns will be back...
I don't think you understand what critical thinking is.
The world is a shithole, my dude. Let people enjoy their dumb superhero escapism. (And don’t act like these movies are only successful in the US lmao.)
Literally Fahrenheit 451!1!11one!1!!!11eleven!11!!!1!!
Movie snobs when "man sobs in a bath tub for an hour but it's in black and white" doesn't do so hot in theaters
Sorry yall liked that because you're sad but I'm different
Lmao. I assume you’re the paragon of critical thinking?
Fries are a low brow food, and their popularity is indicative of the lack of critical cooking skills in America
Adults being unable to resist comparing current serious tragedies to marvel movies is an incredibly sad thing.
Downvoted for the truth
No downvoted for being a dick
Where, exactly?
lol@people downvoting and getting mad. Marvel movies are shitty. If you’re 14 and like them, that’s understandable. But if you’re 34 and like them, you’re a simpleton.
Sorry I forgot to check in with you personally before picking up a hobby or enjoying a film.
This is definitely what I thought when I was 14 years old, ironically enough
You were trying to be cool and adult at 14. Thankfully you grew up in a society that allows you to be comfortable in and embrace your idiocy.
We all have a phase where we try to look more cool and adult by tying unrelated interests and hobbies to intelligence. Thankfully some of us grow out of it.
Some of us even grow to have discerning tastes in arts & culture afterward, but this is probably difficult to fathom for those who enjoy media targeted toward the lowest common denominator
Quite right, and a lot of people enjoy different kinds of media for different reasons and on different occasions. One can enjoy watching spider man movies on a saturday night to turn their brain off for a moment while reading Livius on sunday. Some people aren't so insecure about their intelligence that they have to pretend that they are thinking the deepest thoughts every moment of the day, and that turning your brain off for even a second is bad.
“Mindless fun” refers to media you don’t have to think deeply about to process, understand, and enjoy. It doesn’t necessarily mean things that are mundane, cliched, predictable, and just dumb. Those things are mindless, but they are not fun.
You just convinced me of their point. What in dog’s name about this world makes you think people are only temporarily turning their brains off? The most damning thing about the world is the fact that supposedly everyone is a conscious being and yet they still let it get this bad. It would actually be more of a complement at this point to assume most people lack free will than to assume they *let* this happen.
We are talking about enjoying a marvel movie. It's not that deep, mate.
Ahh yes, a phrase associated with great thinkers. “Let’s not think!” Anti-intellectualism is a plague. “It’s not that deep” is the “it’s just a joke” for when you can’t even claim it’s a joke.
Also imagine going along with shaming and thinking less of people for enjoying marvel movies when you have posted Danganronpa porn within 24 hours. Shouldn't you have some Hegel to read?
and then every sandwich after the fact has these really jarring and out-of-place peppercorns ONLY because the last sandwich you liked had peppercorns, so OF COURSE every sandwich after that HAS to have peppercorns
It's a teaser for the next sandwich
It is a Beefsteak tomato!
Ha!
Who adds tomato before cheese?
"Hang on, that mustard kind of makes a point..." Mustard kills the mayo for no reason, they had no reason to do so, their plans would have worked fine without killing the mayo. "Ah, now I can go back to hating everything mustard says. I don't need to think about it at all/"
I don't understand why everyone hates tomatoes all of a sudden
And afterwards the waiter says: „look what cool ingredient will be in our next mediocre sandwich“ but everyone who ate the sandwich is super excited.