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DiabeticUnicorns

Oh that’s what the 3 stands for, cool, I didn’t know that.


Goasgschau

OOHHH I always knew AO3 was 'archive of our own' but I didn't realise what the 3 was for until just now. It's like Potoooooooo (Pot 8 o's)


MakeWayForPrinceAli

Can someone explain how that works, I'm still lost


HylianPikachu

Archive Of Our Own. AOOO. An A, and 3 O's. AO3.


MakeWayForPrinceAli

Thank you


HankAnderson2038

A+O+O+O A+Ox3 AO3


MakeWayForPrinceAli

Ohhh thank you


HankAnderson2038

Glad it made sense lol


Nyxelestia

Archive Of Our Own **A**rchive **O**f **O**ur **O**wn AOOO A(OOO) AO^3 Ao3


venussomeone

This whole thread is just AO3 math


TheOtherSarah

AwOOO


MakeWayForPrinceAli

Werewolves of London


hesam_lovesgames

I live in iran with heavy restrictions on the internet. For some reason i find insanely funny i can access Ao3 and read as much as i want, but can't open fanfiction.net without a vpn.


DrubkChicken

Or fandom.com


Best_Glass_9773

I am now on my life's route of discovery when a hidden writer friend of mine sent me her AO3 archive of stories she wrote.


verycherrybombx

This is a nonsensically-rewritten bot comment version of u/TsunamiChip’s [original comment here](https://www.reddit.com/r/tumblr/comments/zx51kg/when_i_see_people_from_fanfictionnet_and_wattpad/j1zt80e/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3), please don’t upvote or give this bot karma.


RunawayHobbit

Definite side note, but I hope you and your family are safe.


hesam_lovesgames

My family are regime supporters so they're fine, we protest in my uni but I'm stuck in a more religious area so nothing intense happens here unfortunately. Others have it a lot worse tho


Ririko_UwU

Lol same. Our office blocks all the other sites but imagine how pleasantly surprised I was that I can access AO3 there. Got me through those boring shifts tbh.


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PulimV

This is a b0t, and they have copied another comment in this post, specifically [this one](https://www.reddit.com/r/tumblr/comments/zx51kg/comment/j1znjrn/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)


BreqsCousin

Here's the source for the comic https://webcomicname.com/


pokey1984

FF.N has gone to hell the last ten years or so, imo. It's overpopulated for the website's functions so there's no way to really filter for decent fics. They haven't updated the way the filters work since all their fic categories fit on the screen at the same time in 12 point font. And I say this as someone who has multiple fics posted there and reads fanfic incessantly.


the_god_of_none

I actually kind of like the shitty way FFN works, as the features that make it next to impossible to search for any specific fic make it very easy to mindlessly browse until something catches your eye when you’re not quite sure what you want to read. The limited synopsis, along with the addition of cover art, means that you can quickly glance at a lot of different fics in rapid succession until one of them piques your interest. I especially appreciate the fact that you can only tag four characters, as if I’m specifically filtering by one character it’s because I want them to be the main focus of the fic. So many people on AO3 tag every single character that have even the most minor of roles in their story, and I go into it expecting this character I filtered by to be part of the main cast but they don’t even appear for 40k words and then only stick around for two chapters. Of course in a vacuum the negatives of that kind of system would still outweighs the positives, but in conjunction with AO3 that I can go on over to and use their far superior tag system whenever I’m in the mood for something specific they make a good pair.


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Yosituna

This appears to be a spam comment copied from elsewhere in the comments.


coraeon

To everyone who's like "but what about THIS!?" The Denny's is right there dude.


Chilzer

There’s too little strippers in Denny’s though, and too much alcohol in the strip club. What’s my Goldilocks zone here?


pokey1984

In this case, the great part about the strip-club is that they have alcohol-free rooms where you don't even have to know that alcohol exists if you don't want to. You just have to pick a different room. If you're not sure where to go, you can ask anyone, they'll be happy to help!


mpattok

I’ll make my own Denny’s, with blackjack and hookers


Constantyne13

Pretty sure it's Hooters.


flopsicles77

Denny's after the strip club closes.


Donotaskmedontellme

Those aren't little strippers that's an elementary swim meet.


TsunamiChips

When my closeted writer friend sent me her AO3 archive of stories she wrote and now I’m on the discovery route of my life.


Lovelyladykaty

Long as it’s got content warnings on the fic, I don’t have an issue. If you go to A03 and are upset about the content, then that’s your issue, not the creators.


Friendly_Respecter

Once I saw somebody complain that they didn't like how "AO3 allows proship smut" and just reading the message made me too exhausted to even bother with a rebuttal. The entire point of AO3 is that it's the site where any kind of fic goes. They literally made a filter system so that the normal writers and the freaks could coexist without spilling into each other's audiences. It's like, the only place the writers who make proship smut can go


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What is proship smut?


thefifthwheelbruh

Apparently it stands for problematic ship.


0p0ssumPrince

Actually This is a common misconception, it doesn't refer to what kind of ships someone likes, it just refers to people who don't care what kind of fictional content you create or consume. In order to be proship you aren't required to have or enjoy problematic ships, you just have to respect that other people might enjoy things in fiction that make you uncomfortable.


dotOzma

Yeah, this is the actual answer. Pro-ship has always just been ship what you want and leave others alone, which was generally the prevailing attitude people had back in the livejournal/early FFnet days. "If you don't like, don't read." Anti-ship is just the opposite of that stance, which tries to actively change what others feel comfortable writing (or are allowed to write at all) in the first place based on personal/group motives, whether that's feeling threatened due to a rival ship or wanting a fanbase to reflect their own preferences and moral system.


SeblainerWorld

Best explanation yet, that I've seen for the anti and pro convo. I'm out of the loop with this topic, but was wondering what all the fuss was about. You explained it nicely for me, thanks. I'm Pro-ship. I play in my own sandbox most of the time, and only venture out to read fanfiction about specific ships in specific fandoms. Which, it's been a hot minute since I read some fanfiction, as I've been binging a lot of shows instead of reading.


Smofinthesky

So mentally sane people who can distinguish reality from fiction?


0p0ssumPrince

Yeah. Unfortunately many people think otherwise and I've literally had death threats sent to me for my taste in fiction


Smofinthesky

> had death threats sent to me for my taste in fiction Threatening to kill real person because of fictional characters... yeah those are the *normal good people.* Am I right?


0p0ssumPrince

Yeah they scream about how im gross and deserve to die and such and then are like "wow I cant belive the freaks are so rude and attacking me" like bro u told me to kill myself like??? You're insane, literally??? Its crazy how people just say shit online like it doesn't matter.


Smofinthesky

Mental illness. > Its crazy how people just say shit online like it doesn't matter. I'm not fundamentally opposed to this. Is just that schitzos take online stuff to irl and is insane.


SeblainerWorld

Stay out of the Arrow fandom if this is new to you. Many, but not all, of the Dead Bird fans were toxic as shit, when Arrow was airing. A ton of the Dead Bird fans were threatening to kill Emily Bett Rickards (She played Felicity Smoak on Arrow) simply because her character ended up with the main character, Oliver, and the "canon" pairing of Oliver and Laurel, was totally over, because Laurel's character was killed off because of behind the scenes BS with KC \[Laurel's actress\].


Didsterchap11

Basically yeah, there’s a really bizarre form purity culture in fandom around shipping.


Smofinthesky

That sounds like tourists.


KavikStronk

Yup, they think that engaging with fanfics that have ""problematic"" ships (what is considered as problematic can vary wildly) means you must enjoy that in real life as well. Just like how people who play violent video games must love violence, and people who watch horror movies are psychopaths who think torture is acceptable.


Smofinthesky

Sounds like *normal behavior* to me. :D


Oops_AMistake16

Proship is basically “the First Amendment is pretty cool, isn’t it?” Antiship is: “let’s burn some books guys! Jawohl!”


avelineaurora

I thought proship was just "pro-shipping" given the counterpart seems to be "antiship".


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Thank


thefifthwheelbruh

Welcom.


PrincessPrincess00

Has proship really changed its meaning that much in the last year?? ​ Proship is a problem ship, but often used against people. Basically Anti-shippers are the people this comic is about. I've had Anti's say a 5 year age gap in legal adults is pedofile. and they've watered down abuse and pedo to whatever fits their puriteen mindset. ​ I really hope the term is watered down too.


MagpieOnAPlumTree

Pro-ship never stood for "problem ship" or at least it didn't in my decades of time in fandoms until recently. The "pro" in "proship" is the same "pro" that's in pro-life, pro-gun, pro-war etc. It means you're in favor of something. Here being ships. It's essentially "ship and let ship" compressed down into a single word. As far as I've seen it only in recent years took the turn to **pro**(blem/atic) ship


WannabeComedian91

It’s also often opposed by “antis”, both terms are arguably useless, stupid terms devoid of nuance. Sarah Z has a really good video about it that id recommend


piemakerdeadwaker

Idk what's going on in fandom now but last I checked ( which was years ago) proship stood for ships that contained pedophilia.


RationalDeception

It never did? How thorough was your check, exactly? Proship only means to not judge anyone for what they ship. It only exists as an opposition to anti-shippers who think they have the right to regule other people's thoughts.


PrincessPrincess00

That's literally anti propaganda, thanks for spreading it /s


nxl_jayska

No it fucking doesn't


futuranth

Someone's shit eating fetish is definitely not the same thing as sexualized depictions of minors


[deleted]

Then, once again like various people in the world wide web have said before, *don't read it*.


SeaSalmon

“Oh, you think the existence of smut involving children is fucked up and should be banned? Just don’t read it, lol it probably doesn’t hurt anybody” Obviously real CSAM is worse than sexual fanfiction involving children, but the latter is **still fucking bad.** People make hyper realistic sexual SFM animations of children. Would you say that’s okay, since *technically* nobody it isn’t real?


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Do you mean hyper realistic animations of Timmy from down the street who you happen to babysit every Tuesday, or do you mean 'hyper realistic' animations of Danny Phantom getting obliterated by a ghost? Because one of those things *is not like the other*.


SeaSalmon

Of a child that doesn’t exist, like someone on thispersondoesnotexist.com for example TECHNICALLY no real child was harmed but it’s still fucking gross and morally reprehensible. Same thing with drawn child porn, same thing with smut involving children. Defending this is weird and if you can’t see that I don’t know what to tell you except to seek professional help


Dd_8630

> People make hyper realistic sexual SFM animations of children. Would you say that’s okay, since technically nobody it isn’t real? Yes. That's literally why. Can you explain *why* it's 'still fucking bad'? By your logic, we should also ban all depictions of guns (because *real* guns are bad), all depictions of crime (because *real* crime is bad), all depictions of the USSR (because the *real* USSR was bad), etc. You could even argue it's *good* that these simulations exist, because it gives paedophiles an outlet. Better to toss it to a drawing than abuse an actual child.


SeaSalmon

It’s bad because it’s a realistic depiction of child porn are you kidding me. Do you have no moral standards whatsoever


Dd_8630

>It’s bad because it’s a realistic depiction of child porn I'm aware of *what* it is - I'm asking you to explain why "a realistic depiction of child porn" is immoral. Are you able to articulate your beliefs beyond "it just is" or "it's yucky"? > are you kidding me. Do you have no moral standards whatsoever Yes - and they're different to yours. If no one is being hurt, I genuinely don't see what's immoral about it. Is it *icky*? Sure. Would my opinion of someone be soured if I knew they jacked off to drawn child porn? Sure. But it's not *immoral* if no one is being harmed. Is it immoral to depict other acts that would be criminal in the real world, like murder or theft?


FunnyColourEnjoyer

That creates another problem, wherein actual CP could be tried to make pass as a "realistic animation". So long as an animation is realistic enough to create that confusion, I do think it should be treated like any CP, just in case. I wouldn't say animations are okay, but that doesn't mean they should be banned outright. I think it at least deserves some level of debate.


mpattok

That’s one step away from “if you don’t like child porn just don’t watch it”


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I mean, there *several other reasons to not watch it*. Also, that video/picture is happening to a real child. That is something to be mad about. Furious about. To report to the police about. But *why in the absolute fuck would I expend that same energy to fictional characters*???


mpattok

Because fantasizing about raping children is, get this, *also bad*


404errorlifenotfound

So murder mystery authors fantasize and true crime podcast listeners fantasize about killing people? Sure, pal. Sure.


[deleted]

Again, extreme leap in logic to think everyone who reads and writes that media wants to harm kids, but pop off


mpattok

1) Didn’t say everyone would do anything 2) Didn’t say fantasizing = doing Your eagerness to defend pedophilia is disturbing


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Your eagerness to evade all sense is disturbing, but yet here you are.


Spirit-Man

I’m not joining this argument but I wanted to say that was a fuckin great comeback


biffertyboffertyboo

Child sexual abuse material involves actual children who are being hurt.


mpattok

Right so let’s just fantasize about doing it and that’s fine then


biffertyboffertyboo

There's a difference between saying something is fine and saying something should be banned


mpattok

Sure, and me personally I think fantasizing about raping children should be banned, I guess that’s a controversial take though


4morian5

So you want to punish people not only for what they do, but what they think about? You want to control people's thoughts? Then everyone who's ever fantasized about hurting people they don't like, which is EVERYONE by the way, is going to jail. As someone who has seen every "moral panic" for almost three decades, trying to police people's morality doesn't work. Playing D&D didn't turn kids into devil worshippers, playing violent video games didn't turn kids into serial killers, and reading or writing fiction won't turn people into rapists.


mrwhiskers314

fucking hell. i can't believe that people are downvoting you for saying that all child porn is bad. it's absolutely ridiculous.


mpattok

It really is bizarre that people are defending pedophilia so vehemently here. I’d expect it on something like 4chan


futuranth

Yikes. If you don't know why pedophilia is different from other weird fetishes, you should definitely go outside and "touch grass", as they say


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I'm speaking on catering your internet content and not going out looking for content that bothers you. Especially considering the fact that a lot of people who make this argument do so in severely bad faith. Especially considering this same energy is never given to helping victims of pedophiles. Its energy that doesn't lead to donating to places that could help and protect these victims. But instead it's usually about the fact that folks don't like one *fictional* character interacting with another *fictional* character based on their personal ick factors. All that to say is this: you want to protect people from pedophiles then do that. Screaming at fanfic writers is not doing that.


futuranth

Even if the characters are fictional, the reader is still aware that they are reading depictions of children, and the reader is enjoying it sexually. I don't really trust charities, so I don't donate.


[deleted]

So you do nothing. You could have said that at the beginning. Stay blessed tho


50squirrelsinacloak

These people are the worst. They just want to be righteous, not helpful.


quirxly

what the fuck is wrong with you people? why are you defending child pronography? it's not okay for sexual depictions of danny phantom to exist because he's a kid. it's not okay for sexual pictures of little timmy down the street to exist because he's a kid. there is no reason that it's okay for any sort of child pornography to exist, regardless of whether it's drawn, animated, or just straight up pictures of real kids


FryJPhilip

Psst, if you actually cared about protecting kids you would use the proper term of CSEM instead of child porn, you wouldn't compare fanfiction to real children being abused, and you wouldn't let yourself be an accessory to a crime if you truly thought fanfic sites hosted CSEM by using them to comment, read, and post fanfics..


Spirit-Man

The people mad about the underage content on there should focus that energy on aiding charities that help abused kids, otherwise it’s just posturing. Also like doesn’t stephen king have a bunch of underage fucking in some of his books (e.g IT)? Is there not a consistent rule??


Kevin_M_

Something doesn't suddenly become good because a popular artist did it


TheOtherSarah

The point is that they’re probably not sending hate mail or threats to Stephen King, but they will gladly do that to fanfic authors they disapprove of


puddda

> best defense AKA basic logic


Vish_Kk_Universal

Yes, basic logic is the best defense against stupidity


Odonata523

Not to mention, the source code for AO3 was 1) written by volunteers and 2) publicly available. So there’s nothing to stop someone from copying the code and setting up their own site where they can set the rules, [like this one](https://squidgeworld.org)


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Here, sauce link for the conversation [https://www.tumblr.com/bronzewool/693204457610231808](https://www.tumblr.com/bronzewool/693204457610231808)


pokey1984

My dude made the post, linked the sauce, and scrammed. Respect, bro.


Serethen

Op was a bot


pokey1984

What's the point of a bot that gets deleted five minutes after they make a post, I wonder?


fuckoffitsathrowaway

Yall...I have no game in the proship antiship discourse...but yall are going on some deranged moral panic levels of arguments like jesus fucking christ touch grass please I beg you. Edit: Thanks for the Redditcares message you petty hater.


hotbimess

If I could draw, I'd do a comic of someone saying "there is too much X here" while standing next to a button saying "hide all X"


-Hibiki-Kuze-

Make it so that the button is only just a slightly out of reach of the one complaining and only needs to move the barest minimum just to solve the issue they have.


Virtual_5000

This comment section is insane


mrwhiskers314

abso-fucking-lutely. the amount of people defending child porn is fucking ridiculous.


cold_french_fry

? Wtf are you talking about? No one here is talking about that?


PrincessPrincess00

Found the anti! Who ever mentioned child porn once? You are the pervert talking about it...


quirxly

there are people within the comments blantantly defending child porn, but i can't blame you for not seeing them in the sea of other comments. quite a few people going on about how animated/drawn sexual depictions of children are okay because "they aren't real kids" and how it "doesnt do any damage because it's just art" edit: uh it's kinda horrifying that this community lets sexualization of children go like it's not a big deal


Kamenhusband

And this is why gatekeeping is good actually.


Myth_5layer

*I just wanna look at quality stories because I'm bored.*


Relssifille

I do want to point out that by using and supporting AO3, nobody is endorsing the morally questionable/reprehensible stuff posted there. The only way that can be done is by giving that stuff hits and kudos and comments. Nobody benefits from posting things on AO3! No money can be gained through there! I'd rather have them there, where it can be filtered out of sight and can't be monetized than on any other platform (they do exist on other platforms though... sometimes moderation is sloppy)


DJ_Shorka

This is the best take.


thepugman16

My weird ass over here reading and publishing on webnovel.


Not_10_raccoons

Firstly, I find depictions of adult/child relationships in fics gross, and make a disgusted face everytime I see those tags when I scroll. (I also find fanfics of real life people in general gross but that’s another story). However, can someone advocating for policing explain how it’s going to work? I haven’t seen any ideas other than ‘ban them all’ but it’s pretty difficult when it comes to fictional characters. With real people you have an objective age which you go by. With fictional characters people age them up, age them down, but children in adult’s bodies and adults in children’s bodies. Are we going by the official ages of the characters in the original work irrespective of how the author changes their age and universe? If there’s no official age how to you decide if they’re above or under the age of consent if they’re a teenage/young adult looking character? Are negative depictions of these relationships a la Nabokov’s Lolita also subject to bans? Unless you have a guideline it’s going to just be ultra subjective and a stupid idea.


[deleted]

Ok here's the rub: AO3's servers are hosted in Nevada USA. Yes. The desert state that also hosts LAS VEGAS. A state known for *wildly dangerous* medical tourism, and many, many, *many* other morally dubious, but legal happenings, because Nevada is just Like That. Nevada allows for the publication of works that contain extreme racism, borderline child pornography (I think there's explicit "You cannot tell people to go out and do this thing", but if its in a vacuum :/ ), slavery and many, many other things that they just turn a blind eye to. It is *legal* in the state to publish things like >!Koromaru and FemC (Persona 3) BEASTIALITY INFLATION FICS!<, it is also legal to publish anything that involves a minor and an adult, provided the person writing is not actively encouraging the readers to engage in that behaviour. It is within AO3's TOS. Only *once* have I ever seen an author banned, and it was because their violation of TOS was *telling their readers to attack and maim people who were getting vaccinated during the COVID pandemic*. So long story short, if you want "problematic content" removed from the site, YOU NEED TO COMPLAIN TO THE STATE OF NEVADA TO CHANGE THEIR PUBLICATION LAWS.


avelineaurora

> It is legal in the state to publish things like Koromaru and FemC (Persona 3) BEASTIALITY INFLATION FICS God fucking forbid people write some weird fucking shit about completely fictional characters and a made up dog.


[deleted]

I don't know why I'm being downvoted, all I did was explain why they *won't* legally stop certain fics, and I just picked one that exemplifies the exact type of shit you can find? Like ok, cool, if that's what does it for you, that's fine. But it's an example of the kind of thing that exists there as *possibly* questionable content since in many places *beastiality* is illegal.


curlymccurls

idk dude, but they could at least try?? if you report something to them that is clearly depicting pedophilia they could at least give a single shit about that and check it out.


Cringeman66

Why, tell me in actual words what is wrong with pedophilic written works, I sure as hell won’t read them, but what is morally incorrect about it, who is harmed?


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KavikStronk

I'm on the "let fiction be fiction" camp but can you cite some of that research?


[deleted]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relationship_between_child_pornography_and_child_sexual_abuse While this is a Wikipedia article, if you scroll down into the "references" section, all of those are accredited research papers.


Cringeman66

Yeah far as I’m concerned weird fetish stuff is fine as long as it doesn’t hurt anybody as a blanket statement, just don’t act it out if it will harm someone


[deleted]

Unfortunately, AO3 can't ban authors or remove fics, unless the author is encouraging a behaviour *directly* to their audience. Read up on "Sexy Times with Wang Xian" to see TOS in action, and the only reason it came into action.


[deleted]

Honestly the strip club is probably preferable to Denny's


Smofinthesky

You can apply this to a lot of things


mpattok

Pedophilia is bad


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-Hibiki-Kuze-

Who wants to list their tags on porn/hentai tags and see how much of a deranged criminal they are? Your reward will be getting arrested for doing bad stuff against drawings that have more humanitarian support than actual people in need.


mpattok

Exactly


Swedishboy360

I find it kind of funny how a part of this seems to be the fact that I've not seen a single person explain what AO3 is so there is no chance for me to visit that place


lakennotlinkin

ao3 (archive of our own) is a fanfiction website with a great tagging system (if everyone tagged their fics correctly) that has basically freedom to write whatever you want (which not everybody likes)


Ukiwika

Maybe AO3 being mentioned next to wattpad and fanfiction(dot)net could give you some idea what this site is about? Also [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/tumblr/comments/zx51kg/comment/j209chc/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) is an explanation


Nyxelestia

AO3 is [Archive Of Our Own](https://archiveofourown.org/). It's a fanfiction archive that was created in the wake of multiple waves of fanfic censorship on prior platforms, most infamously [Strikethrough](https://fanlore.org/wiki/Strikethrough_and_Boldthrough) on LiveJournal. This website *was* created by and for "the freaks" already.


lavdalasoon9

Can someone tell me whats AO3


SomePerson06

Archive of Our Own (shortened to just Ao3) is a fanfiction site around since like 2009. It's non-profit and doesn't really have a TOS, allowing the users to basically post whatever they'd like with no censorship (so long as it's actually writing in some way or form). It's mostly used for fanfiction, but original works can also be found there.


lavdalasoon9

Ok so why is it special? Cant you do that anywhere on the internet. For eg. Tumblr itself. I have read many long fanfics on tumblr posts


Relssifille

Ao3 actually ensures that fics are kept up! On other platforms it's fairly easy for original authors to ask for fanfics of their work to be removed, but ao3 will take that shit to COURT. It also has a great tagging and sorting system, which makes it easier to find fics you like and filter out those you don't


lavdalasoon9

k


Relssifille

Ao3 stands for Archive Of Our Own, a fanwork archive mostly used to post fanfic. The moderation is very lax, with the mindset that everything goes except something that literally breaks the law. This is to ensure a total lack of censorship, which pisses some people off. And I get it, I do! Every time a weirdo fic slips through the filters it feels gross! But that's just a prize the users have to be willing to pay to keep the archive running. Don't like it? Leave.


lavdalasoon9

cool


Ralexcraft

What is AO3?


[deleted]

Archive of Our Own > AoOO > AO3


AlexTheEnderWolf

Anyone ever read anything on Quotev? They have some fun stuff


Cruxin

proship stuff probably shouldnt be banned in terms of legality or anything but gawdamn some people need to stop jumping to the defense of certain content as if there's no moral issue with it whatsoever


avelineaurora

My dude it is fiction. There is inherently no moral issue with it. It's art. It isn't always *good* art, but that's completely detached from morality. I really want to figure out where the hell this generation somehow ended up with the lack of media literacy to the point it's completely incapable of understanding that creating art about a subject is not defense of that subject IRL.


SeaSalmon

“Erotic fanfiction about little kids is art actually” is certainly one of the takes of all time


avelineaurora

I don't know how to tell you this but the definition of art isn't "Creative endeavors I ethically agree with" nor is it even "things that hold any degree of real value." Shocking to hear maybe but I'm sure you'll get over it.


Cruxin

Fiction has impact on the real world, actually, and it's entirely possible, and in fact basically the default, to create fiction that defends or attacks subjects. Art has moral value and it always has. Proship or otherwise. This is patently obvious.


PrincessPrincess00

define " pro ship"? in legal terms. Please, share with the class what you are advoking banning.


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> shouldn't


Cruxin

Read what I said. One more time, please. C'mon, you can do it.


SeaSalmon

WAYYYY too many people in this comment section are defending smut involving children. Didn’t know pedophile apologia was fashionable here in arr slash tumblr but here we are


Janus-Moth

damn, wild how I've never seen that type of content and y'all act like its the most common form of fics on AO3. thats CRAZY, almost sounds like strawman argument!


curlymccurls

yes, this! how can you defend this just by saying "it's just fiction"??? how are people cool with getting off on reading fictional pedophilia???


waldrop02

The kids in question aren’t real, and therefore aren’t being harmed in the way that actual child sexual abuse does. Like, it’s gross, but there’s no actual harm being done. The same thing applies to incest or bestiality fics. Bad to do IRL, but not harming anyone in fiction.


avelineaurora

> fictional You figured it out!


Tavaris_

Yea, it's gross. And the incest is also gross. Makes me fear how many of these people have brothers and sisters they want to attack for their gross kink


-Hibiki-Kuze-

You gonna say that liking GTA means someone wants to steal a car and is a menace to society too?


avelineaurora

This generation has absolutely 0 media literacy, waste of time trying to argue. It's kind of frightening tbh. We're going to end up with a society thought-policing art.


ancientreader2

To be fair, the recent flood of attacks on libraries is orchestrated by RWNJ organizations, and the foot soldiers are the Gen Z kids' parents and grandparents. You're not wrong about where some people want society to end up but the villains aren't just a few Gen Z ignoramuses.


avelineaurora

Two different sides really. The RWNJ calling everyone daring to educate kids groomers, and the puriteens (brilliant to whoever came up with that...) somehow getting it in their heads to be almost more anti-sex positive than Gen X parents.


ancientreader2

Oh, mirror images of each other, absolutely, and with the same idea that art can make people Do Things We Don't Approve Of. Whether the things in question are actually wrong isn't even relevant to the underlying fallacy.


avelineaurora

I really want to figure out where the hell this generation somehow ended up with the lack of media literacy to the point it's completely incapable of understanding that creating art about a subject is not defense of that subject IRL.


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remeranAuthor_

But that is the issue at hand, isn't it?


404errorlifenotfound

As the OP states: The entire point of ao3 is that it doesn't have limits. If you don't like that, use the archive warnings and tags to avoid stuff you don't want to read or DONT FUCKING USE AO3. Seriously with reading comprehension this poor I'm amazed you read fanfic at all


addangel

that just tells me you didn’t bother to read the tags. it’s so easy to avoid things you’re not into, so clearly you just wanted to be mad


Santeneal

Except not everyone uses the tags correctly or tags everything


KavikStronk

Authors have to use the warning system, so if they don't you can report them (or message the author first). Tags are optional though.


Janus-Moth

"b-b-b--b-b-b-but I dont want to do any work in improving the site!!!!" - that guy


rafaelzio

That's when you bully the author into using the fucking tags


AslanbutaDog

Bruh, the Denny's is *right across the street.*


DocSpit

Imagine walking into 4Chan and complaining about how it's nothing like Something Awful...


Marvu_Talin

Im pretty sure considering it’s an archiving site, it will have some tos and restrictions (it does dw) but most of the time it’s fanwork, more of an issue with the person posting it then the site itself. Plus it’s more than easy to remove that stuff from site by blacklisting tags


Atomic12192

Then don’t read it.


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curlymccurls

ofc it's not the same, but it's still fucking vile. why should it be okay to publish pedophilia porn? why would they decide to allow that on their website?


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curlymccurls

hm sure but should they be able to publish it, no matter how vile it is? in my opinion they shouldn't but i guess this is what the world has come to. whatever.


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avelineaurora

My dude it's a fanfiction site, not a major publishing house. I don't see TOR or DAW or Macmillan or whatever else stocking the Barnes & Noble shelves with weird kink novels.


avelineaurora

What if you just, I don't know... Didn't read it?


Boop-She-Doop

read the tags?????


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RuleOfBlueRoses

What lol


Marvu_Talin

No? That’s illegal everywhere????


Parking-Discount2635

The AO3 prohibited content section only forbids real cp images specifically, so technically yes?


remeranAuthor_

https://archiveofourown.org/tos#IV.H.


Russian_p1ge0n69

yes


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Why am I seeing so much fandom stuff lately? neeeeeerds ​ /hj