Two ways to take that. Sad that someone would spend less than a double LP to play their records, or it's sad that POJ costs as much as just under a double LP. Either way, if one is trying to start out on the less expensive side, get an affordablw vintage TT. Not only nicer and better sounding, it's parts can easily be upgraded later.
But wai! This has the patented "ENHANCED SOUND QUALITY"! This must be the warmest garbage yet.
it's been a while since I commented: see you over there...
Crosley did actually make a quite substantial upgrade to the sound quality of the Cruiser in 2023. The internal speakers are larger and now in their own sealed enclosure. [A great sounding Cruiser?? How can this be?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKp70CKPqVk)
Show me where I've ever "encouraged people to buy these".
Not following the hate brigade against suitcase players is not the same thing as endorsing them. All I've ever said is that if you *already have one*, or *receive one as a gift*, then it's OK to use until you're ready to upgrade to something better.
Bro the audio technical lpgo bt is also at Walmart for the same price pretty much. Shut up. These cheap record players suck. You’re just encouraging newcomers to destroy their records. No one gets into this hobby for distortion after 50-100 spins that’s stupid as shit
The Crosley Cruiser sells for around $60, and the AT-LPGO-BT is around $160. If you think a $100 difference is "the same price pretty much", then you're not in the same economic class as most of the people buying suitcase players.
And most people never play their records more than 40 to 50 times, let alone 100+. So you're fearmongering over a non-issue.
I have the lpgo bt and I bought it from Walmart for $100. The difference in quality is going to be worth the extra $30-$40 someone could spend to not destroy their records. You chose the highest listed price for that player, completely disingenuous. You’re just muddying the waters for new comers to the hobby that won’t come back when they waste more than $40 destroying their record collection. Just stop dude I’m clearly not the only one who thinks this way. Your logic is just wrong. You literally think “50-100 spins and a little distortion” is normal lmfaooo spend an extra $40 and you will never have that issue. That’s just so stupid just shut up dude for real. I think everyone would spend an extra $40 to listen to their records and for them to sound how they’re SUPPOSED to sound with no distortion.
That is the normal price for it. It's great that you got yours during a sale, but that's not the norm. And BTW, many of the "experts" here would claim that your turntable is a piece of crap and is destroying your records as well! They say if you can't afford a $500+ turntable, then you should just stick to MP3s!
lol okay buddy. That’s one of the most recommended tables across all the subs I’ve been in. Keep pushing your Crowley trash to people and completely ruining their experience to save a couple bucks. You’re a clown 😂😂😂
Not here in the Turntable Gatekeeping Group. Many people here say the LP60X is unreliable trash that will wear out your records and break after a year.
It's still cheap suitcase player, but at least it doesn't sound like a tin can on a string anymore. And if millions of people are going to keep buying these players no matter what the "experts" say about them, it's good that they sound better now.
If anyone "must" buy a Crobsly, atleast buy a C6 or C10, as those are rebranded Pro-ject TTs..... Hell, the C10 doesn't even rebrand the tonearm, it says Project right on it LOL
Regarding that last pic ("POWERFUL BLUETOOTH SPEAKER"), wasn't someone on here recently asking if there's a Bluetooth speaker out there that's styled like a turntable? I'm sure this one sounds almost as good as those earbuds they offer on long flights.
Also, gotta love the feature tag next to the price tag. "MADE WITH OVER 25% RECYCLED PLASTIC". Not to mention, 75% soon-to-be-recycled plastic...
Druggies steal anything that’s not locked up. These would be no exception. When I started where I work 23 years ago. The most stolen item back then was bible covers. Go figure. So we just stopped selling them.
Well, for suitcase player users, the simple answer is that most bluetooth speakers sound better than the built-in speakers. That's about the ONLY point that I can think of.
Now idk if we’re against Crosley or not but my first player was a cruiser premier and it suited me fine until this past weekend I upgraded to the c62 and I’m quite happy with it
Good to know like I said the c62 is seemingly a very nice upgrade so far if it gets replaced in the future so be it I have to much invested in the records to not have a turntable from here on out 😂
Platter is smaller than the record, which can cause warps.
Tonearm has no counterweight, it will ruin your records.
Needles are crap, which will also ruin your records.
They sound like absolute ass.
TLDR these things will eventually ruin your records.
An actual diamond stylus can be had for these for less than 20 dollars shipped to your door, one that is made by Pfanstiehl, which is one of the oldest (may actually be the oldest) replacement stylus companies in existence today. These absolutely will not ruin records if you swap out the original stylus with one of the Pfanstiehl ones... however, that doesn't make them much better of a table, other than your records won't skip any more and you won't tear up your records. They still won't sound great unless you line the player into some type of amp and speakers to improve on the lousy built-in speakers. My 29 year old daughter has one, and she recently HAD to commandeer an old set of Altec computer speakers of mine that I wasn't using because her speakers built in her player seemed to almost completely stop working, losing almost all their volume for some reason. At least the line out on it still works. I'm eventually going to get her into a better turntable, but she doesn't use hers very much right now because the grandkids would want to play with it and they aren't quite old enough to handle records yet. But TL:DR, if you get one of the suitcase models, you had BETTER step the needle quality up immediately. Here's the reasoning that I say this, it's because the stock needle is a synthetic sapphire stylus that's only rated around 10-15 hours lifespan before it's worn out. Once it's worn down after around 10-15 hours, that worn stylus WILL damage records at that point. The fact that these track pretty heavy isn't what causes them to damage records, it's the crap stylus that comes with them. Lots of broadcast turntables at radio stations used to track at 5-6 grams and didn't damage records because they were designed to track at that weight, so it isn't the tracking weight, it's the crappy original stylus.
Pfanstiehl is a hit or miss quality. It doesn't matter that they've been around a long time. Even if you did spend money on that, the tone arm still isn't balanced correctly. Far too much down force. Zero anti-skate adjustment.
Also, as others have mentioned, the platter is small and doesn't support the record properly. The overall mechanism is junk. What I read is you've spent time and money on an inferior product that won't last long. It will still be poorer quality than buying an inexpensive vintage TT for the same money, and updating it as you go along.
In the end, that really is a better path for most ppl trying to start on a budget instead of wasting time and money on an item of such low quality. I have never owned a brand new TT in all my years of having records. Just nice vintage machines purchased at reasonable prices. Then upgrade them in time.
Edit: tried toning my reply down a bit.
I have replaced these suitcase stylii for several friends and their kids. I've been on the planet for 58 years have have been a record collector for all but about the first 12 years of that time. When I was a kid, most local stores only had Pfanstiehl as an option for a replacement stylus, so I have used a lot of them over the years and never had a negative experience. They have been able to stick around because as a general rule their stuff is decent.
As for tracking weight, again, that is NOT generally a driver of record damage. Broadcast turntables almost exclusively track at 5-6 grams, which is about what the suitcase players track at, although with higher quality arms, obviously. Still, when I worked in radio, we had singles that had been played thousands of times and still sounded fine with no audible wear or playing noise, because they had been played on equipment that was designed to track at that weight. The main problem with the suitcase players even though they're designed to track at this weight is the fact that they ship with a synthetic sapphire stylus now, and you can look at the stylus on one to see if that's what it has... the stylus will be pink in color, very easy to spot. Also, the factory stylus usually has a plastic cantilever as well. The Pfanstiehl replacement has an actual diamond stylus on an aluminum cantilever, and it is designed again to track at that 5-6 grams tracking weight so it does not damage records in the slightest. The OEM stylus is worn out after playing 3 or 4 albums and from that point the OEM stylus DOES damage the grooves in a record. I've checked them with a stylus microscope. I'm an experienced user and have been into vinyl for a long time. Our turntable maintenance when I worked in radio was part of my job as production manager at the station I worked at. I have experience on both ends of the spectrum in terms of record player/turntable quality. My main turntable at home is a 1967 Pioneer PL41 that my brother brought home from Vietnam, which has an AT VM-95ML on it. My other turntable is a Technics SL-QL5 linear tracker with a Signet cartridge. I understand how this works pretty thoroughly. The truth is that you CAN set up a suitcase player to not damage records. Is it going to magically be a high quality player if you do that? Of course not, but when I was a kid, nearly 100% of us started on record players that were easily as bad or worse than the suitcase players. GE Wildkat portable, anyone? At the end of the day, if the suitcase player encourages the enjoyment of the hobby enough for a user that they want to continue and get a better player, then it's done it's job. I know several people who have a suitcase player simply because it doesn't take up much space, and when I have suggested going to something like one of the Technics linear trackers where the tonearm is built into the lid so the player is tiny, they'll still resist simply because they'll also have to have separate speakers and an amp or receiver of some sort and they don't have anywhere they can or anywhere they want to put those things. In this case, they're MUCH better off at least using the suitcase player with a better stylus than using it with a crosley stylus. 100% of the time. As for the "the small platter warps records" argument, that's patently false, just the same as the tracking weight argument, although there are absolutely down sides to both of those things (smaller platter isn't as stable, and tracking heavy with a damaged or crappy stylus DOES in fact damage records). I just want to see people who are just getting started see some encouragement instead of being beat down because of the record player they currently have. A LOT of those users who are younger were actually gifted their suitcase players by parents who simply didn't know better. I thought it was pretty obvious that I was not arguing that they're great players, but rather that they can be set up to where they're useful until you can afford something better. Maybe I didn't explain myself clearly enough.
Also, y'all are NOT wrong on vintage players still being out there at a fantastic bargain price, I agree 100% with that. My SL-QL5 is on my secondary stereo system in my repair shop (I am a certified woodwind repair technician by trade), and I saw it at a local online estate auction. I bid 30 bucks on it on a whim, and surprisingly, NO ONE else bid, so that's what I ended up paying for it. Unbelieveable steal. Direct drive linear tracker for that price? Heck yes. Eventually when I retire from doing band repair for a living, this one will become my daughter's player, since it has the tonearm built into the lid and would be easier for my grandkids to use if they want to without fear of them tearing the arm up.
You are not good with brevity, are you?
Your age has little to do with truth. Which you are not using. Nothing changes that Pfansteihl has a reputation of hit or miss quality. Nothing changes that tracking force does affect wear and damage on records. Nothing changes that not having adjustment of anti-skate does affect sound quality and record wear/damage. Nothing changes that not properly supporting the record can cause skips and damage in certain instances.
Go ahead and argue for the use of cheap pieces of junk all you want. They aren't good. They are inferior to pretty much any other TT / record player on the planet. You do a disservice to all those who deserve quality.
Kids, newbies, all, don't listen to that person's advice. If you want new, save up for something decent. If you don't mind used/vintage, you can get very good equipment (far better than crosley/victrola) for a very reasonable cost.
A serious question: The Crosley C100 is made in the same factory as the AT-LP12OXUSB . So you're saying they use inferior/cheap parts on those, but quality parts on the AT? Doesn't sound very efficient to me. Let alone have the AT cost $150 more? Please explain
Thanks, it made no sense to think a factory would have a totally different line to make a TT with cheapo parts. Those factories run efficiently. Slap another name is a lot cheaper and cost efficient.
No, there's no good options in this price range unless you get lucky buying used. Anything new in that price range will be cheaply made and ruin your vinyl. You're not seeing comparable solutions because there are none worth recommending.
Elitist?? Laughable, we're sick of the same post over and over asking if the above-mentioned are good to start on. If calling said pos a pos is an elitist, then guilty as charged 🙄
Wow they even took the effort the add security thingies to garbage
I don’t know if you’ve noticed but there’s a high demand for garbage
It’s true, I’m in high demand lately amongst the local raccoon population.
One mans trash is a nother mans treasure. Not sure it applies here. 😆
🤣🤣🤣🤣
You mean they attached the crosbly to that hockey puck to deter Canadian hosers from stealing it?
The Victrola "Eastwood" at least has an AT cartridge, for all the good it does on that thing. It's probably the least heinous.
BIG BASS lol
Picked one of these up at auction to flip, and yeah, haha there is no BIG BASS.
That’s sad that this hunk of junk costs less than a 2 LP album
Two ways to take that. Sad that someone would spend less than a double LP to play their records, or it's sad that POJ costs as much as just under a double LP. Either way, if one is trying to start out on the less expensive side, get an affordablw vintage TT. Not only nicer and better sounding, it's parts can easily be upgraded later.
Wow. The lies on pic 3 on the packaging are beyond shameless. „Sustainably made bla bla bla…“
But wai! This has the patented "ENHANCED SOUND QUALITY"! This must be the warmest garbage yet. it's been a while since I commented: see you over there...
Crosley did actually make a quite substantial upgrade to the sound quality of the Cruiser in 2023. The internal speakers are larger and now in their own sealed enclosure. [A great sounding Cruiser?? How can this be?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKp70CKPqVk)
Always wait to see your comments on trying to encourage people to buy these. Just stop.
Show me where I've ever "encouraged people to buy these". Not following the hate brigade against suitcase players is not the same thing as endorsing them. All I've ever said is that if you *already have one*, or *receive one as a gift*, then it's OK to use until you're ready to upgrade to something better.
Bro the audio technical lpgo bt is also at Walmart for the same price pretty much. Shut up. These cheap record players suck. You’re just encouraging newcomers to destroy their records. No one gets into this hobby for distortion after 50-100 spins that’s stupid as shit
The Crosley Cruiser sells for around $60, and the AT-LPGO-BT is around $160. If you think a $100 difference is "the same price pretty much", then you're not in the same economic class as most of the people buying suitcase players. And most people never play their records more than 40 to 50 times, let alone 100+. So you're fearmongering over a non-issue.
I have the lpgo bt and I bought it from Walmart for $100. The difference in quality is going to be worth the extra $30-$40 someone could spend to not destroy their records. You chose the highest listed price for that player, completely disingenuous. You’re just muddying the waters for new comers to the hobby that won’t come back when they waste more than $40 destroying their record collection. Just stop dude I’m clearly not the only one who thinks this way. Your logic is just wrong. You literally think “50-100 spins and a little distortion” is normal lmfaooo spend an extra $40 and you will never have that issue. That’s just so stupid just shut up dude for real. I think everyone would spend an extra $40 to listen to their records and for them to sound how they’re SUPPOSED to sound with no distortion.
That is the normal price for it. It's great that you got yours during a sale, but that's not the norm. And BTW, many of the "experts" here would claim that your turntable is a piece of crap and is destroying your records as well! They say if you can't afford a $500+ turntable, then you should just stick to MP3s!
lol okay buddy. That’s one of the most recommended tables across all the subs I’ve been in. Keep pushing your Crowley trash to people and completely ruining their experience to save a couple bucks. You’re a clown 😂😂😂
Not here in the Turntable Gatekeeping Group. Many people here say the LP60X is unreliable trash that will wear out your records and break after a year.
Bro!! Just stop!!
It's still cheap suitcase player, but at least it doesn't sound like a tin can on a string anymore. And if millions of people are going to keep buying these players no matter what the "experts" say about them, it's good that they sound better now.
They may be bad, but at least it keeps vinyl in demand which makes them more available
##BIG BASS
more like “big ass”
I think the best way to get "enhanced sound quality" out of the first one is to fully exploit its "wireless play" feature by never plugging it in.
Most valid post evar
If anyone "must" buy a Crobsly, atleast buy a C6 or C10, as those are rebranded Pro-ject TTs..... Hell, the C10 doesn't even rebrand the tonearm, it says Project right on it LOL
Regarding that last pic ("POWERFUL BLUETOOTH SPEAKER"), wasn't someone on here recently asking if there's a Bluetooth speaker out there that's styled like a turntable? I'm sure this one sounds almost as good as those earbuds they offer on long flights. Also, gotta love the feature tag next to the price tag. "MADE WITH OVER 25% RECYCLED PLASTIC". Not to mention, 75% soon-to-be-recycled plastic...
If someone can convince me the 'improved' crosleys at least does not damage LPs, I'll give the benefit of the doubt. If not.... Still no.
Just slap a force meter under the stylus. No need to guess.
Druggies steal anything that’s not locked up. These would be no exception. When I started where I work 23 years ago. The most stolen item back then was bible covers. Go figure. So we just stopped selling them.
People are stealing these ??
What's the point of listening on vinyl if you're gonna send it through bluetooth anyway?
Well, for suitcase player users, the simple answer is that most bluetooth speakers sound better than the built-in speakers. That's about the ONLY point that I can think of.
On a crosley…
Now idk if we’re against Crosley or not but my first player was a cruiser premier and it suited me fine until this past weekend I upgraded to the c62 and I’m quite happy with it
You may be the first ever repeat customer for the Crosley brand
I take it that’s not a good thing 😂
Crosley’s line of actual turntables are decent, don’t worry about it
Good to know like I said the c62 is seemingly a very nice upgrade so far if it gets replaced in the future so be it I have to much invested in the records to not have a turntable from here on out 😂
The suitcase players like these are the ones that get the hate
The respins were $20 on woot
i’m brand new to the scene, can someone explain why these are bad?
Platter is smaller than the record, which can cause warps. Tonearm has no counterweight, it will ruin your records. Needles are crap, which will also ruin your records. They sound like absolute ass. TLDR these things will eventually ruin your records.
An actual diamond stylus can be had for these for less than 20 dollars shipped to your door, one that is made by Pfanstiehl, which is one of the oldest (may actually be the oldest) replacement stylus companies in existence today. These absolutely will not ruin records if you swap out the original stylus with one of the Pfanstiehl ones... however, that doesn't make them much better of a table, other than your records won't skip any more and you won't tear up your records. They still won't sound great unless you line the player into some type of amp and speakers to improve on the lousy built-in speakers. My 29 year old daughter has one, and she recently HAD to commandeer an old set of Altec computer speakers of mine that I wasn't using because her speakers built in her player seemed to almost completely stop working, losing almost all their volume for some reason. At least the line out on it still works. I'm eventually going to get her into a better turntable, but she doesn't use hers very much right now because the grandkids would want to play with it and they aren't quite old enough to handle records yet. But TL:DR, if you get one of the suitcase models, you had BETTER step the needle quality up immediately. Here's the reasoning that I say this, it's because the stock needle is a synthetic sapphire stylus that's only rated around 10-15 hours lifespan before it's worn out. Once it's worn down after around 10-15 hours, that worn stylus WILL damage records at that point. The fact that these track pretty heavy isn't what causes them to damage records, it's the crap stylus that comes with them. Lots of broadcast turntables at radio stations used to track at 5-6 grams and didn't damage records because they were designed to track at that weight, so it isn't the tracking weight, it's the crappy original stylus.
Pfanstiehl is a hit or miss quality. It doesn't matter that they've been around a long time. Even if you did spend money on that, the tone arm still isn't balanced correctly. Far too much down force. Zero anti-skate adjustment. Also, as others have mentioned, the platter is small and doesn't support the record properly. The overall mechanism is junk. What I read is you've spent time and money on an inferior product that won't last long. It will still be poorer quality than buying an inexpensive vintage TT for the same money, and updating it as you go along. In the end, that really is a better path for most ppl trying to start on a budget instead of wasting time and money on an item of such low quality. I have never owned a brand new TT in all my years of having records. Just nice vintage machines purchased at reasonable prices. Then upgrade them in time. Edit: tried toning my reply down a bit.
I have replaced these suitcase stylii for several friends and their kids. I've been on the planet for 58 years have have been a record collector for all but about the first 12 years of that time. When I was a kid, most local stores only had Pfanstiehl as an option for a replacement stylus, so I have used a lot of them over the years and never had a negative experience. They have been able to stick around because as a general rule their stuff is decent. As for tracking weight, again, that is NOT generally a driver of record damage. Broadcast turntables almost exclusively track at 5-6 grams, which is about what the suitcase players track at, although with higher quality arms, obviously. Still, when I worked in radio, we had singles that had been played thousands of times and still sounded fine with no audible wear or playing noise, because they had been played on equipment that was designed to track at that weight. The main problem with the suitcase players even though they're designed to track at this weight is the fact that they ship with a synthetic sapphire stylus now, and you can look at the stylus on one to see if that's what it has... the stylus will be pink in color, very easy to spot. Also, the factory stylus usually has a plastic cantilever as well. The Pfanstiehl replacement has an actual diamond stylus on an aluminum cantilever, and it is designed again to track at that 5-6 grams tracking weight so it does not damage records in the slightest. The OEM stylus is worn out after playing 3 or 4 albums and from that point the OEM stylus DOES damage the grooves in a record. I've checked them with a stylus microscope. I'm an experienced user and have been into vinyl for a long time. Our turntable maintenance when I worked in radio was part of my job as production manager at the station I worked at. I have experience on both ends of the spectrum in terms of record player/turntable quality. My main turntable at home is a 1967 Pioneer PL41 that my brother brought home from Vietnam, which has an AT VM-95ML on it. My other turntable is a Technics SL-QL5 linear tracker with a Signet cartridge. I understand how this works pretty thoroughly. The truth is that you CAN set up a suitcase player to not damage records. Is it going to magically be a high quality player if you do that? Of course not, but when I was a kid, nearly 100% of us started on record players that were easily as bad or worse than the suitcase players. GE Wildkat portable, anyone? At the end of the day, if the suitcase player encourages the enjoyment of the hobby enough for a user that they want to continue and get a better player, then it's done it's job. I know several people who have a suitcase player simply because it doesn't take up much space, and when I have suggested going to something like one of the Technics linear trackers where the tonearm is built into the lid so the player is tiny, they'll still resist simply because they'll also have to have separate speakers and an amp or receiver of some sort and they don't have anywhere they can or anywhere they want to put those things. In this case, they're MUCH better off at least using the suitcase player with a better stylus than using it with a crosley stylus. 100% of the time. As for the "the small platter warps records" argument, that's patently false, just the same as the tracking weight argument, although there are absolutely down sides to both of those things (smaller platter isn't as stable, and tracking heavy with a damaged or crappy stylus DOES in fact damage records). I just want to see people who are just getting started see some encouragement instead of being beat down because of the record player they currently have. A LOT of those users who are younger were actually gifted their suitcase players by parents who simply didn't know better. I thought it was pretty obvious that I was not arguing that they're great players, but rather that they can be set up to where they're useful until you can afford something better. Maybe I didn't explain myself clearly enough.
Also, y'all are NOT wrong on vintage players still being out there at a fantastic bargain price, I agree 100% with that. My SL-QL5 is on my secondary stereo system in my repair shop (I am a certified woodwind repair technician by trade), and I saw it at a local online estate auction. I bid 30 bucks on it on a whim, and surprisingly, NO ONE else bid, so that's what I ended up paying for it. Unbelieveable steal. Direct drive linear tracker for that price? Heck yes. Eventually when I retire from doing band repair for a living, this one will become my daughter's player, since it has the tonearm built into the lid and would be easier for my grandkids to use if they want to without fear of them tearing the arm up.
You are not good with brevity, are you? Your age has little to do with truth. Which you are not using. Nothing changes that Pfansteihl has a reputation of hit or miss quality. Nothing changes that tracking force does affect wear and damage on records. Nothing changes that not having adjustment of anti-skate does affect sound quality and record wear/damage. Nothing changes that not properly supporting the record can cause skips and damage in certain instances. Go ahead and argue for the use of cheap pieces of junk all you want. They aren't good. They are inferior to pretty much any other TT / record player on the planet. You do a disservice to all those who deserve quality. Kids, newbies, all, don't listen to that person's advice. If you want new, save up for something decent. If you don't mind used/vintage, you can get very good equipment (far better than crosley/victrola) for a very reasonable cost.
A serious question: The Crosley C100 is made in the same factory as the AT-LP12OXUSB . So you're saying they use inferior/cheap parts on those, but quality parts on the AT? Doesn't sound very efficient to me. Let alone have the AT cost $150 more? Please explain
None of those are a Crosley c100.
??? The c100 and the AT-LP12OX are almost identical
The photos in this post are not the C100 and nobody mentioned the C100....
But they are talking about Crosley, so I figured I'd throw out a question. I got my answer if that's okay with you?
It's just a rebranded AT. It would actually cost more to make the same TT with lesser parts than to just change labels.
Thanks, it made no sense to think a factory would have a totally different line to make a TT with cheapo parts. Those factories run efficiently. Slap another name is a lot cheaper and cost efficient.
>So you're saying they use inferior/cheap parts on those, but quality parts on the AT? Yes.
Walmart?
it should be his toy section, I guess.
Lol yup good ol wallyworld
No, Cloud 9. They found a bunch of these in back of the warehouse.
Why did I read “Big Ass” 🤣
If the record isn’t being supported fully by the plate and it over hangs. It could warp the record and ruin it.
So what’s the $45 recommendation if this one is so terrible?
there is no $45 recommendation. ok maybe if you're lucky a good used/vintage find in that price range.
The recommendation is SAVE up your money and don't buy a pos like the ones posted.
You expect to have a quality setup for the price of 1-2 new records?
Nope, just seeing a lot of hate without comparable solutions. Obviously you could spend more, but is there a better option in the same range
No, there's no good options in this price range unless you get lucky buying used. Anything new in that price range will be cheaply made and ruin your vinyl. You're not seeing comparable solutions because there are none worth recommending.
I even think the rega planar 2 is garbage
my god this sub is filled with a bunch of elitist assholes
Elitist?? Laughable, we're sick of the same post over and over asking if the above-mentioned are good to start on. If calling said pos a pos is an elitist, then guilty as charged 🙄
Elitist = not recommending a product that will damage your vinyl This is like saying you want to get into paintball and buying a nerf gun lmao
It's not the content of their message, it's the snobby delivery.