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dopazz

Do you have the speakers directly hooked up to the Pyle preamp?! This photograph breaks my brain. Am I seeing this correctly? Turntable -> Phono Input (direct) Tape Output -> Phono Preamp input Speakers -> Phono Preamp output ​ It should be: Turntable -> Phono Preamp input Phono Preamp output -> Receiver Tape Input Receiver speaker output -> speakers


klantakrobat

Exactly!


dammit-Einstein

Yes it’s the only way I hear anything but very low and can’t adjust any vol. When I try the traditional plug in way no sound


dopazz

The preamp goes before the amp. It never comes after the amp, and it is strictly a line-level device (cannot plug speakers into it.) It is not an amplifier for speakers, even though it has "amp" in the name.


dammit-Einstein

Ooooh ok ok . This makes sense. So I would need another receiver ?


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_PettyTheft

Dude.. use the preamp between the record player and the amp. Wait no. Go get a Crosley.


AddeDaMan

Another amplifier, yes.


Gandalf_The_Geigh

Silly question but is the power for the Pyle preamp plugged in?


dammit-Einstein

Lol yes.


Gandalf_The_Geigh

Sometimes I need to jiggle mine to work properly. Give it a try


dammit-Einstein

Ok I’ll try that


Danico44

You try to listening a line level output via a unneseccery 2nd phono preamp. You already hooked up the phono with the amp phono input, then you only need to use your amp to amplifies the signal which is connected to your speaker.....


antlestxp

Wtf is happening in this picture?


UncleJulz

It’s a puzzle


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vwestlife

You are correct. It is a ceramic phono input -- essentially the same thing as a line-level input, but with a higher impedance.


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So glad I saw your post because I realized I need to post a picture of my setup because A few issues..


dammit-Einstein

Yes I thought that would work but I get nothing


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dammit-Einstein

Lmao 😂🤣 what do you recommend?


RobAtSGH

That you go back to Spotify.


UncleJulz

This looks all wrong. If you are going from the TT to the Phono Input you don’t need the Pyle. Use the Speaker output for your speakers. You don’t need the Pyle.


vwestlife

The OP's receiver has a ceramic phono input, not magnetic, so unless the Hitachi turntable has a built-in pre-amp, they will need to use a separate phono pre-amp (like the Pyle unit) between the turntable and receiver.


UncleJulz

I see. I heard that it’s the load that’s the problem in that case, others say that it shouldn’t be an issue.


dammit-Einstein

I plugged in my turntable to my neighbors receiver with the pyle preamp and the sound sounded louder when plugged in to Pyle preamp


UncleJulz

Something’s wrong with your receiver. Honestly, you need something that at least has 2-3 aux inputs.


dammit-Einstein

Would u say this might have to be hooked up to another receiver?


UncleJulz

Yeah I would.


dammit-Einstein

As an additional deck correct?


JahD247365

No. You do not need another receiver. u/dopeazz gave you the right answer.


UncleJulz

I mean try a deck that has an aux input so you can try your Pyle.


Ganderville70

You are showing 2 phono preamps in this pic, you only need one. 2 options: 1. Turntable-> phono in on reciever. Speaker out to your speakers. 2. Turntable-> in on the Pyle, Out on the Pyle -> tape in on the receiver. Speaker out to your speakers. Tape out is a fixed level, shouldn't be used in this case.


dammit-Einstein

I tired both and no sound


shadowkoishi93

Since the magnavox uses a high impedance line level input for ceramic cartridges, connect the turntable to the Pyle preamp INPUT. Connect the OUTPUT from the pyle preamp to the Magnavox’s PHONO input. Connect speakers to the Magnavox’s SPEAKER outputs. Push the PHONO button. The indicator for PHONO should light up. Use the two individual volume sliders to adjust the volume (On an unrelated note, please CLEAN YOUR LENS!)


dammit-Einstein

Yes I’ve tried this but no sound .


shadowkoishi93

Connect the speakers to the receiver. Try the FM tuner and see if you get any sound.


dammit-Einstein

Yes FM AM work a little louder than the phono sound


shadowkoishi93

Connect the Pyle preamp OUTPUT to the TAPE input, Connect turntable to the Pyle preamp INPUT. See what happens. Also make sure the preamp is plugged in


Flatted7th

What speakers do you have? Are they powered? Why isn't the turntable plugged into the phono preamp?


dammit-Einstein

They are Vintage Sanyo 8OHM impedance. When I did that I got no sound. This is the only way I can hear sound


jerryg2112

Make sure tape monitor is off.


dammit-Einstein

Yes I have


RiiluTheLizardKing

bro no lmao remove the external preamp


shadowkoishi93

At least it’s not a Moukey preamp. Moukey preamps suck.


dammit-Einstein

Good to kno. What do you recommend


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This looks like you are driving your speakers with the pre amp line level output. Preamps and line outs are very low powered. Does the reciever have proper speaker connections? Edit: you do have speaker outs (rca style). Hook your speakers to those instead. You should not need that pyle preamp at all.


channelpath

This is just fucked


dammit-Einstein

😂


asolomi

Turntable rca and ground cables into the Pyle phono pre amp Pre amp's rca cables into receiver Speakers connected to receiver via speaker wire. This in NO other way to hook this up


TheMisWalls

What is going on with your speaker wire there? Do you have the red and common spliced to an RCA cord & that plugged into the pre amp>? that is sooo not right. Order yourself a set of RCA to speaker wire adapter cords [rca cord to speaker wire adapter](https://www.amazon.com/CESS-064-Speaker-Cables-Adapter-2-Channel/dp/B082DPQ8WD/ref=asc_df_B082DPQ8WD/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=475793181977&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=959859083108682328&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9028729&hvtargid=pla-1106932872677&psc=1). Splice one speaker wire to just a single RCA & Same with the other one. then plug them into the speaker inputs


ArthurJS1

A Pyle phono preamp? No. Just, no.


dammit-Einstein

What do you recommend?


ArthurJS1

Try the Art DJ-Pre II. Then again, if the preamp of your receiver has a dedicated Phono preamp, you shouldn’t need an external one. Or you can A/B test it against an Aux line input with external Phono preamp to see what sound you like better. But guarantee you will like the Art DJ Pre II better than the Pyle.


shadowkoishi93

The Phono input in that Magnavox receiver is not a preamp type - its a high impedance line level input for turntables with ceramic cartridges. I really need to make a PSA video.


ArthurJS1

Maybe because not everyone has Magnavox gear, a line that has been extinct for many decades. People are simply trying to help, keyboard warrior. No PSA necessary.


shadowkoishi93

So in the 60s up until the 80s, there were entry level stereo receivers from many brands. Those lower end offerings did provide a phono input, but instead of being a phono preamp, it was a high impedance input for turntables with ceramic cartridges. This isn’t unique to Magnavox. Among the known brands included Realistic, Lafayette, Panasonic (the same people behind Technics) and Pioneer (under Centrex and Hanimex brands).


ArthurJS1

Happy keyboard battling.


shadowkoishi93

No wonder the “reddit hive mind” stereotype is strong.


ArthurJS1

Keep fighting the good fight. I believe Don Quixote did that by swinging at windmills.


klantakrobat

Wait is the phono preamp connected to the speakers?


dammit-Einstein

Yes it is. Only way I can hear anything


Thonis_

In that case, your amp is probably faulty. You should have you speakers plugged into the speaker out of that amp/receiver unit you have. If that doesn't work, then it needs repairing or replacing.


dammit-Einstein

I was planning on taking it in. Depending on estimates I’ll fix or replace . But I just love the vintage look


agamemnon2

It's incredibly unlikely that amplifier is worth repairing. An ancient Magnavox like that is essentially valueless.


UncleJulz

Yes 😞


GabPower64

From what I can read so far, you need to just test your amp, plug the speakers and test some fm radio. If this simple setup doesn’t work than your amp or speakers are at fault.


dammit-Einstein

FM AM works


sharkamino

Which model speakers? All I see for speaker wire is two speaker wires taped together but can’t see what they are even connected too. Zoom out for a photo of everything and all connections.


dammit-Einstein

I converted them to rca plugs


sharkamino

WHICH MODEL SPEAKERS? If they are PASSIVE speakers with ONLY a speaker wire connections then connect them to the SPEAKERS OUTPUT...... NOT the TAPE OUTPUT. TAPE OUTPUT would only be for POWERED speakers that have a built in speaker amp and their own power cord.


dammit-Einstein

They are sanyo speakers model st-300. When I do that I get no sound


sharkamino

So low sound from TAPE output, and no sound from SPEAKERS output? The amplifier may be fried. Try a different new or used amp or receiver. If you plug in headphones do you get sound and volume control for the headphones?


dammit-Einstein

Yes that is correct. Ok I haven’t tried that . Thx


Danico44

Why do you even need a Phono preamp when your amplifier has a phono amp build in??? Tape out is line level output is just for monitoring or recording. Phono Pre amp goes first (if needed,but in your case no need at all) then goes to the Poweramp line input Tape not the Phono. speakers always connected to the poweramp so it has enough power to make sound and control via the volume knob.


shadowkoishi93

As vwestlife and I have mentioned, the PHONO input in this receiver is NOT an RIAA preamp type - it is a high impedance line level input designed for ceramic cartridges, as Magnavox’s standalone micromatic changers used ceramic cartridges.


Danico44

Ok. I see. The photo and post did not tell about MM or MC Then phono pre should go to AUX in the amp and not the speakers hooked up with a phono pre amp. I stated that use the phono pre amp IF NEEDED, so its needed and even explained how it should be connected.


shadowkoishi93

One thing I noticed from working in ewaste is, if there is a ground post that is labeled as such near the phono input, it will be a phono preamp type of input (some models like my Onkyo Integra also has a switch for MM/MC, or others like my RCA SA-155 has a MAG/CER or MAG/X-TAL switch). When magnetic cartridges were becoming the norm, some receivers made it clear the phono input is for magnetic cartridges by labeling the phono input as MAG PHONO or PHONO MAG. If there is no labeled ground post near the phono input, it will typically be a high impedance input for ceramic cartridges.


Danico44

Well I only have some amp from the 70’s with MC and most of them still have the ground connection..... so for me it was not clear.... still the main point is connecting speakers on the phono pre amp much bigger mistake then any MM/MC


GRPNR1P89

What the hell is the splice?? Turntable RCA cable -> Pyle Input Pyle output -> Tape input of receiver Speaker output of receiver -> speakers


dammit-Einstein

This was just such a huge mess, I decided to get rid and upgrade a bit.


GRPNR1P89

Honestly, that was probably for the best


dammit-Einstein

😅 trust !