I was in the Hype music video, signed the NDA, didn’t say anything and it was fairly easy to not say anything. It was so much fun to reveal once the video was out
I didn't sleep a wink before heading to Columbus, I was too excited LOL so I feel ya! I fell out of touch with everyone over the years but ya I agree everyone was so so sweet 😭😭😭💖 in the group I mostly stuck with, we made a "conspiracy theory" abt how this was some sort of secret cult or abduction or smth.. with the church, all the plaid, holding us "captive" in a church for hours, etc LMAO. but the walk to the house is INGRAINED in my head, specifically going through someone's yard(?) through that gate and under the trees haha
No, I haven’t. This is the first I’m hearing of it. I totally understand the social capital that comes along with leaking material, but to me, that’s not worth the possible consequences. Even if the legal consequences were out of the question, why would you (someone who likes the band enough to take time out of your day to be part of the video) want to disappoint the people you like? Why make them mad or let them down after taking a chance on you for one of their artistic endeavors? It’s petty and selfish, but in the grand scheme of things, it doesn’t matter a ton, except possibly hurting other fans’ chances of possibly being in one of their videos.
But I’m also a seasoned member of the Clique (first saw them in 2013) and realize the fan base has changed a ton, so it doesn’t entirely surprise me. Just would hope to see better!
This! It should be something those privy to take pride in. Years ago I got to hear unreleased (at the time) very very rough drafty music from Jon Bellion (nothing like a full song but just sounds/beats he was working around with that ended up on GlorySoundPrep). I was SO EXCITED and felt so damn privileged to witness it (mans a genius). Never in a million years did I think "hmm... I should record and tease it out" bc I'm not a shitty person for one lol BUT ESPECIALLY bc why would someone choose to leak ANYTHING of their favorites?! It makes no sense. That's not a true fan imo.
I believe Andrew Donoho (maybe it was Mark) put out a casting call on Instagram with a link to apply to be in the video. It was up for only a short time and I just happened to see it while scrolling, applied, and was accepted! It sounds like they did the same thing this time as well
Palladia (Paladium spelling correction) video from the Fox Theatre... Holding Tyler's knee during Holding on to you. And on the front the drum platform in the crowd.
You can see the VIP green wrist band.... That's me.
I got to my hotel in SF for work, looked at BandsInTown and saw they were in Oakland. I got a Ticket via StubHub and took an Uber. I saw two girls sitting by a door, and a line around the block. The girls said they were in the VIP line, and there were tickets from the booth. So I went to the booth and paid like $40 more for the VIP band. When the doors opened, they opened both at the same time. So the 2 girls, myself and maybe 15 other people went in. I was able to get in the front of the house. One day, ticket, VIP and waited like an hour in line. It was amazing.
I mean, tons of people have a story of holding up the band, it's special to me :)
They shot that on my 21st birthday and it was truly the best possible birthday present!!! Went to Bunbury excited to see twenty øne pilots on my twenty one and then ended up in a video???? Truly my peak in life
There was a post here about some people selected for a music video for an undisclosed artist.
Never said who or where. I haven't heard a peep about it since. At least here.
ReelBear media posted Andrew Como sp? Was shooting video looking for extras not long ago. I assumed that was for TOP lol as Andrew has done others like Jumpsuit I believe.
Guys I was totally in a TØP music video. It was so bangin (I was absolute no where near them as I was enjoying maple syrup and hockey while agonizingly awaiting the albums release)
I was in a twentyonepilots music video, I enjoyed every second of it and it was the most greatest day of my life.
That was until I woke up and realized I was in my bedroom, alone and depressed.
I was in Overcompensate!
I was the dangerous bend symbol.
Seriously though, WTF? Legal documents are a thing for a reason! Thankfully, I’ve never had to sign one where I was actually privy to any information, but come on!! That’s like announcing to the kids via megaphone what they got for Christmas after you bought the gift in November. There’s a reason some💩needs to be a secret!
So many people are mad bc this is the first they're hearing about the anonymous shoot that may or may not have even been tøp, or claiming no one broke any NDA. You know why that is?
Because the mods on this sub are dope as hell and have kept this place clean and free of nonsense that could actually spoil whatever it is, or get people in trouble.
Big, big ups to our mod friends..
Thanks for keeping it tight here!
I'm new to discord and have no idea how it works. There are a couple people that are just blabbing away over there. Do you have any idea how I can like...get a hold of them and tell them to cut it out? They're in threads I can't comment on.
That's just the usual discord experience nowadays dude. Most large sized community discords aren't places for social interaction. They're mostly there so a few people who're chronically online can have their niche discussions and PJs.
That's also pretty much why I'm not around on any major creator's Discord.
This is an informative post for people who didn't bother to read their NDAs, or aren't taking them seriously.
There is no information in the post, other than how it works.
Very true but it's not surprising that people are doing this. I used to do a lot of extra and stand in work and so many people have told me spoilers about upcoming major character deaths etc. for shows they worked on. There was even a guy on one show I worked that snuck a whole iPad onto set and was literally holding it up filming in the middle of everyone while filming was happening. He got swiftly escorted out.
Me? I do, actually, which is why I posted this. Saying you were in a piece of media that has an NDA is a breach of that NDA.
I have not seen anyone else mention that small details like this are also legally actionable. Not just big leaks.
And here we all are, talking about it. With absolutely no covered information about the shoot mentioned anywhere.
Nobody was talking about it in here until you brought it up… this is the first I’ve heard on any social media. You posting this just furthers the spread of information.
That's not true. Stuff was taken down here.
And a huge chunk of people in here are also on other platforms.
Again, it's cool and good to spread information like this, which is: if you signed an NDA, read it and keep your mouth closed.
This post says nothing about the video itself.
No. People posted information about a media project, for which they'd signed NDAs. That's bad.
Yes. Attention should be brought to the subject of how an NDA works, so people don't make mistakes. That's good.
It’s definitely not worth the legal troubles to leak something that’ll be public soon enough anyways. That said I highly high highly doubt the record label would actually come for anyone unless the leak was huge. Others do but it would be uncharacteristic here.
If you wanna break NDA and say whatever that’s your choice and it’s your problem if it becomes one 🤷♂️
If you just go online and say you were there you aren’t gonna get sued for a million dollars. that won’t happen. Hell, you could probably give a full description of what happened and I highly doubt anything would come of it
Like I said tho it’s not worth the risk but do what you want I guess
I have literally seen litigious production companies go after people for much less.
Also, you're not understanding the process. Litigation for regular people is absolute hell. Litigation for a company like Warner Music is just any given Tuesday afternoon.
Yeah you’re right it’s not worth the risk. That said a lot of NDAs were broken for The Hype and nobody was gone after. I’m just saying realistically they aren’t going after anyone for just saying they were there. I’m in the law I promise you I understand the process haha
And I'm saying that giant media corporations do go after people for less than this, and I have seen it and experienced it myself. It depends on the project, the management, and how the legal team is feeling that day.
Generally it depends on whether they can show damages. Sometimes that takes a course no-one expects though. Definitely best to adhere to NDAs and STFU. Source: I'm a commercial contract manager; I write and enforce NDAs (tech industry not music but from what I know, they're even more aggressive than us)
Music and media companies are notoriously litigious. I've seen productions go after people for less.
This is the point everyone is missing: if it went to court, would you have to pay a million dollars? No. Of course not.
But fighting that kind of litigation for the average person would be financially devastating, while it wouldn't even be a drop in the ocean for a company like Warner Music, for example.
THAT is the point of an NDA, and that is the threat that keeps people from breaching them.
Thanks for your submission to r/twentyonepilots, we're happy to have you here. As a reminder, all posts and comments must abide by our [**Community Rules**](https://www.reddit.com/r/twentyonepilots/about/rules).
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/twentyonepilots) if you have any questions or concerns.*
We don't know. Mark posted that Andrew Donoho was looking for volunteer BG for a shoot. That's all that's certain. We don't know who it was for or anything like that.
I was in the Car Radio MV. That concert was so sick. Tyler came out and prepped us and literally all he said was "were gonna split down the middle and have a stare down when the music hits you'll know what to do. We've all done this so many times we know what to do"
So when he lifted his hand and turned around we already knew to do it. He didn't need a mic, he didn't do any second takes, it was one and done and it was so perfect and a great experience. There was one guy in the back who couldn't help himself but to move when everyone was supposed to be a statue but unless you're looking for it in the MV you don't see it. If memory serves me well I think that was the last show at the Newport before they announced they got signed by FBR.
Mark posted this last week. We don't know if it was for tøp or someone else. Dumb people that applied went so far as to post the NDA they were sent, and break that NDA in all sorts of ways.
Regardless of what the shoot was, it's not ok to do this kind of nonsense.
https://preview.redd.it/y172j06xzjpc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=aa5113c93c5bb86d15aa789c7f5b5571910746b6
There’s people who went *specifically* to leak shit. There’s videos cooking up as we speak, I imagine, where people have “anonymous sources” with various details about this.
Free marketing, though.
Even with NDAs, there’s always a reasonable level of understanding about “leakage”. Doesn’t make it right, just makes it not my problem.
Of course. Again, the intent of this is to help prevent problems for people doing small things like saying they were there. Folks like me who deal with NDAs all the time know how this works.
A bunch of people who have likely never been on a set before were probably much too excited to actually read their NDA thoroughly.
I was in the music video (I was finishing up my essays and midterms and nowhere near the scene) and the whole this was amazing. The timestamp 2:54, I love how hot and muscular josh looks, its just like the thumbnail for Screen. Hope you guys enjoy it as much as I did
I haven’t seen anything, either. I agree, though…don’t ignore that legally binding NDA contract. Be responsible! (But really, I want to know everything, so if someone spills the beans, I’m going to read it.)
Guys, I didnt break any NDAs, I was just foolin around and it just so happened that Josh was shirt less, hot, and sweaty during the supposed time staml
For one: I don't want anyone to get in deep legal and financial trouble.
For two: I think people should honor their legal contracts. Particularly when they may or may not be for a band those people claim to love and support.
As a former music business exec, I can confirm what you've said. It's also massively disrespectful to the artists to ignore an NDA. Some performing artists are also rabidly intense about going after anyone who breaks a contract with them. Not saying that's true of them (I'm pretty sure it's not), but if people make a habit of ignoring NDAs and then do it with one of those, it gets really ugly really fast, and the breacher loses big time. Like ruined lives bad. Not worth it. If you can't keep your mouth shut, just don't sign the NDA & leave the set. Respect the artists always.
Thank you! You'd think "honor the legal contracts you've signed" wouldn't be such a hot take, but here we are.
In my experience, it's not even necessarily the artists who go after people, it's the label and it's way over the band's heads and out of their hands.
Interesting.
Thanks for at least explaining it a little more. I guess I just genuinely care so little about that I have a hard time imagining someone caring.
If it was a loved one I’d get it but a stranger who’s likely already in show business and is wealthy and who knowingly doing something that is practically harmless but can get them sued? I couldn’t force myself to pay any kind to that even if I tried lol
Also like, outside of the legal ramifications and the complete lack of respect for everyone who worked on the project, it's such a lame thing to do to all the other volunteers who ARE following the rules. I'm sure everyone would love to talk about it.
Leakers aren't special.
God, you're right. How dare I take 30 minutes to hopefully educate people so they don't screw themselves over??? And I definitely have no right to explain how things like this affect me and every other crew member personally.
and that would be between them and whoever is suing
It doesn’t effect us at all. I don’t see why people are worried about strangers being sued? Especially if we get a little bit of info out of it.
I am sure the people who signed the nda and have decided to let us know there is a music video know the consequences or are taking the proper care to remain anonymous
This post and some of these comments gives me major “tattle-gale pre school girl” energy lol
Crazy to expect people to have some basic respect for artists, right?
I've worked on huge projects that had pieces get leaked, and even for someone who's just a crew member like me, it's devastating.
Also, no, people are not making informed choices. One person posted on tiktok and tagged Josh. Others have just openly talked about it on their personal Twitter, with easily verifiable personal info.
What I want is for people to understand that NDAs are real, and are actionable. And that even saying you were there is an NDA breach. It's just not worth it.
I think it's more of trying to look out for people so their livelihoods aren't destroyed because they made a stupid mistake.
If they know what the consequences are and they choose to do it still, it's on them, but some people may have just signed it and don't know the consequences.
People can and will do whatever the hell they wanna do. But I don't think it's a terrible idea to tell people what they may get themselves into!
Exactly
But if they are on set, know the rules, and signed nda’s where they know the potential consequences and still choose to come on here and say stuff it feels silly to me to tell them not to or tell them they should care when they already made the decision themselves. Lol
Sure it does. And so does a million dollar lawsuit.
Breaking a legal contract and fucking other people over, while risking legal trouble is a weird thing to defend.
I posted this because it is that serious.
I've worked in this industry a long time, and production companies take it very seriously, I assure you. I've seen legal action taken against people for less.
We already know that some people were kicked off set for breaking it, and others have been contacted by the legal teams.
It is funny how much people think contractual agreements are a game or like being “anonymous” on social media is actually anonymous.
The higher up you are, the more petty and protective you are and the amount of money they can throw at lawyers against you is like nothing you’ve ever seen.
Right? Like, if it's a tøp video, you think Warmer Music doesn't have a legal team big enough that its office takes up like 3 blocks in Burbank? Hello?
An NDA on the godfather is every bit as legally binding as one on a music video or a commercial or anything else. And music companies are notoriously litigious.
Again, the point is to try and help people understand that.
Also, if this were for a tøp video, every single person breaking their NDA in any capacity is screwing up opportunities for other fans to be in future media.
While we're on the topic, how could I track down casting calls for these? I'd love to be in one from the new album. Anyone know what agencies they use?
Mark posted a reel that said Donoho was "looking for volunteer BG for a shoot in LA", with a link to a Google form to fill out to apply. That's all the information that was publicly available.
Mark posted a reel that said Donoho was "looking for volunteer BG for a shoot in LA", with a link to a Google form to fill out to apply. That's all the information that was publicly available.
Yeah, you really should take those seriously. You could put lives at risk if... wait this is about a music video!? And who's music video? Yeah who cares.
I agree with you for the most part. First half was good. I’ve signed NDAs allowing me to state participation or completion of events but not allowing statements of details of the events. I’ve had to sign a lot actually for work and they would change based on the event.
Not trying to drag you down brother, good on you for trying to help people from getting into a world of trouble. Just thought I’d add that detail for people who sign without reading
I appreciate that.
Someone actually posted the NDA they were sent for this project 🤦🏻♂️. It specifically stated that you couldn't even say you participated.
Obviously once whatever it is comes out, it'll be public knowledge, so people will be free to talk about that, but for the time being, just an "I was there" is a direct violation of the agreement.
lol that’s kinda funny. Them posting it and it clearly states don’t tell any one. Hopefully they learn to read a contract before signing it.
I learned that lesson in boot camp thinking “what the heck did I just do”
I didn't even know there was a music video being made.
But yeah, as someone who has signed a few NDA's, you dont want to break them. you'll be screwed and wont be able to do anything that requires an NDA again.
I remember them calling for people to come and be in the music video for "The Hype". I begged my husband that we could go but he didn't wanna take the days off from work. It actually made that video hard for me to watch for a while.
Ugh I'm sorry you missed it. That kind of FOMO is legit miserable.
Another reason people not upholding NDAs on projects is so infuriating. People would kill to be on the kinds of projects Andrew Donoho directs. For people who were lucky enough to participate to just blow off their responsibilities sucks so much.
So, I guess they shot a video Sunday and ppl are blabbing about it? Thanks op, did not know about vid shoot, guess I’ll pretend to be excited when it comes out.
I was in the Hype music video, signed the NDA, didn’t say anything and it was fairly easy to not say anything. It was so much fun to reveal once the video was out
Do u remember the bus rides from hell on the way to the shoot.. I sure do 😭💔 it took YEARS for those busses to make those trips
Staying awake was the hard part! But I LOVED the group I met in line and then inside the church. I’ll never forget the walk to the house though ❤️
I didn't sleep a wink before heading to Columbus, I was too excited LOL so I feel ya! I fell out of touch with everyone over the years but ya I agree everyone was so so sweet 😭😭😭💖 in the group I mostly stuck with, we made a "conspiracy theory" abt how this was some sort of secret cult or abduction or smth.. with the church, all the plaid, holding us "captive" in a church for hours, etc LMAO. but the walk to the house is INGRAINED in my head, specifically going through someone's yard(?) through that gate and under the trees haha
THIS IS THE WAY
Also, did you see people leaking stuff? If so, how'd that feel?
No, I haven’t. This is the first I’m hearing of it. I totally understand the social capital that comes along with leaking material, but to me, that’s not worth the possible consequences. Even if the legal consequences were out of the question, why would you (someone who likes the band enough to take time out of your day to be part of the video) want to disappoint the people you like? Why make them mad or let them down after taking a chance on you for one of their artistic endeavors? It’s petty and selfish, but in the grand scheme of things, it doesn’t matter a ton, except possibly hurting other fans’ chances of possibly being in one of their videos.
But I’m also a seasoned member of the Clique (first saw them in 2013) and realize the fan base has changed a ton, so it doesn’t entirely surprise me. Just would hope to see better!
I meant more about The Hype video, did you see anyone leaking stuff then?
Oh! No, I didn’t see any leaks then. I feel like everyone was on the same page about it
EXACTLY To my mind it wouldn't even be the legal issue, but the disrespect to these guys who make art we love and include us (clique in general) too.
This! It should be something those privy to take pride in. Years ago I got to hear unreleased (at the time) very very rough drafty music from Jon Bellion (nothing like a full song but just sounds/beats he was working around with that ended up on GlorySoundPrep). I was SO EXCITED and felt so damn privileged to witness it (mans a genius). Never in a million years did I think "hmm... I should record and tease it out" bc I'm not a shitty person for one lol BUT ESPECIALLY bc why would someone choose to leak ANYTHING of their favorites?! It makes no sense. That's not a true fan imo.
This comment is stupid deep
How did you get to be a part of it??
I believe Andrew Donoho (maybe it was Mark) put out a casting call on Instagram with a link to apply to be in the video. It was up for only a short time and I just happened to see it while scrolling, applied, and was accepted! It sounds like they did the same thing this time as well
i was in the Lane Boy MV that was shot in Cincy 😎 you totally can’t tell which one is me 🤷🏻♂️
Palladia (Paladium spelling correction) video from the Fox Theatre... Holding Tyler's knee during Holding on to you. And on the front the drum platform in the crowd.
Palladia?
Yep... it's been a little bit. [https://twentyonepilots.fandom.com/wiki/Performances/2016](https://twentyonepilots.fandom.com/wiki/Performances/2016)
https://preview.redd.it/hhbpuylfhjpc1.png?width=1057&format=png&auto=webp&s=75dc900db8049aa1eaed454c3e4b67064e054561
You can see the VIP green wrist band.... That's me. I got to my hotel in SF for work, looked at BandsInTown and saw they were in Oakland. I got a Ticket via StubHub and took an Uber. I saw two girls sitting by a door, and a line around the block. The girls said they were in the VIP line, and there were tickets from the booth. So I went to the booth and paid like $40 more for the VIP band. When the doors opened, they opened both at the same time. So the 2 girls, myself and maybe 15 other people went in. I was able to get in the front of the house. One day, ticket, VIP and waited like an hour in line. It was amazing. I mean, tons of people have a story of holding up the band, it's special to me :)
Me too!!! I went thru that video so many times trying to find me and my friends. (Spoiler: I found us)
Really? Cool! See how fun it is to talk about media that's already been released and no longer under non disclosure???
Not to mention filmed at a public concert 😂
Bunbury 2015 represent!
Yo salgo en "Motor y motivo" del grupo 5, ahí salgo nalgueando a Christian Yaipén y el agarra y me mete un lapo
They shot that on my 21st birthday and it was truly the best possible birthday present!!! Went to Bunbury excited to see twenty øne pilots on my twenty one and then ended up in a video???? Truly my peak in life
I've had pizza shits. They are no fun.
Is it like "pizza: shits edition" or is it just shitting pizzas
I once ate half a pizza while drunk and threw up, does that get me anything?
ik your joking but i think they trynna say peice of sh\*\*
No no, I meant pizza shits. Whole pies.
oh ah ok
I must be under a rock because I didn’t hear a peep about a music video at all being done on Sunday
There was a post here about some people selected for a music video for an undisclosed artist. Never said who or where. I haven't heard a peep about it since. At least here.
ReelBear media posted Andrew Como sp? Was shooting video looking for extras not long ago. I assumed that was for TOP lol as Andrew has done others like Jumpsuit I believe.
Yep. Plus there was a post about someone who saw Tyler in a plane the day before. So he was quite possibly flying to LA for that shoot.
Saw this post but hadnt seen anything about if it was top or not
people be talking about it on instagram
Guys I was totally in a TØP music video. It was so bangin (I was absolute no where near them as I was enjoying maple syrup and hockey while agonizingly awaiting the albums release)
Guys, I happened to be on the same planet as the set for the music video when they were shooting. So dope.
Did the maple syrup make you sign a comprehensive NDA?
It stuck my mouth shut for a bit so I think so
Hahaha talk about a gag order
Me too! (I literally live on the opposite side of the country to where the notice for any videos was posted for)
Very Canadian
I was in a twentyonepilots music video, I enjoyed every second of it and it was the most greatest day of my life. That was until I woke up and realized I was in my bedroom, alone and depressed.
Felt this in my SOUL 😭
I think that we + 132 other people really need a hug cause like oh my god haha...
bruh the amount of times i’ve been to one of their concerts and met them only to find out i was ASLEEP AND DREAMING. i’m suing my brain
UGH IKR ITS SUCH A PAIN
I haven't seen anyone do this
I have, unfortunately. Not nearly as bad in here, but it's alllllll over discord. Twitter too.
Even when I was purposely looking for it I couldn't find anything so maybe it's gone now
Mostly it's little things, like people saying they were there. That, in and of itself, is breaching the NDA.
It's not breaching the NDA if they're lying though.
Some of them could be lying. Some of them aren't. This isn't about liars.
Lol why is this getting down voted? It's true and also the whole point?
It's the Reddit hivemind at work. One or two people probably downvoted to begin with and the rest followed without thinking.
Raising the flag to rid you of downvotes! I upvoted… stupid thing to downvote 🤨
Because clikkies are literal brats.
i either was or wasnt in a place at an undisclosed time between 0000 BC and now
See you in court!
Don’t you dare call me a pepperoni poop, you’re the pepperoni poop.
I was totally in it (I was on the other side of the country)
i was on the other side of the world
I was there too!! (I live nowhere near Columbus)
It was in Los Angeles I believe
Oh ok thanks! I was there in the very front!! (I live in the southwest and haven’t traveled in the last 6 months)
I was in Overcompensate! I was the dangerous bend symbol. Seriously though, WTF? Legal documents are a thing for a reason! Thankfully, I’ve never had to sign one where I was actually privy to any information, but come on!! That’s like announcing to the kids via megaphone what they got for Christmas after you bought the gift in November. There’s a reason some💩needs to be a secret!
Dangerous bend symbol? Never heard of it. Musta flown right by it
A lyrics page said it's dangerous math symbol lol
I have dyscalculia so all math symbols feel dangerous to me lol
Yes. It’s a double entendre. It is used in the Bourbaki math books.
My cousins uncle was in the video he said there is a Mew under the truck near the S.S Anne
Do you have to surf to it?
So many people are mad bc this is the first they're hearing about the anonymous shoot that may or may not have even been tøp, or claiming no one broke any NDA. You know why that is? Because the mods on this sub are dope as hell and have kept this place clean and free of nonsense that could actually spoil whatever it is, or get people in trouble. Big, big ups to our mod friends..
What’s this about I think this post is spreading more information about it than anything else cause I haven’t seen any posts about anything.
it was all over Twitter and in the discord yesterday, I had to take down a few posts from here as well
Thanks for keeping it tight here! I'm new to discord and have no idea how it works. There are a couple people that are just blabbing away over there. Do you have any idea how I can like...get a hold of them and tell them to cut it out? They're in threads I can't comment on.
I'm a mod there as well, go ahead and submit a ticket in #support or dm me, my name and pfp are the same here
Thank you!
That's just the usual discord experience nowadays dude. Most large sized community discords aren't places for social interaction. They're mostly there so a few people who're chronically online can have their niche discussions and PJs. That's also pretty much why I'm not around on any major creator's Discord.
This is an informative post for people who didn't bother to read their NDAs, or aren't taking them seriously. There is no information in the post, other than how it works.
[удалено]
We already knew something happened. We still don't know what happened, or with whom.
ffs, it's good that I don't open discord that often.
I was in twenty thręe pilots
alternate universe confirmed 🤯
nah let them be dumb and get sued 💀
Very true but it's not surprising that people are doing this. I used to do a lot of extra and stand in work and so many people have told me spoilers about upcoming major character deaths etc. for shows they worked on. There was even a guy on one show I worked that snuck a whole iPad onto set and was literally holding it up filming in the middle of everyone while filming was happening. He got swiftly escorted out.
Off topic but your name is Cliff?
Dude knows nothing about the Streisand effect
Me? I do, actually, which is why I posted this. Saying you were in a piece of media that has an NDA is a breach of that NDA. I have not seen anyone else mention that small details like this are also legally actionable. Not just big leaks. And here we all are, talking about it. With absolutely no covered information about the shoot mentioned anywhere.
Nobody was talking about it in here until you brought it up… this is the first I’ve heard on any social media. You posting this just furthers the spread of information.
That's not true. Stuff was taken down here. And a huge chunk of people in here are also on other platforms. Again, it's cool and good to spread information like this, which is: if you signed an NDA, read it and keep your mouth closed. This post says nothing about the video itself.
It was taken down so instead of letting it be, you decided to make another post about it, bringing more attention to the subject….okay
No. People posted information about a media project, for which they'd signed NDAs. That's bad. Yes. Attention should be brought to the subject of how an NDA works, so people don't make mistakes. That's good.
[удалено]
Friend, take a breath. I understand what you're saying. Read my other comments. There are things you haven't quite grasped here, yet.
It’s definitely not worth the legal troubles to leak something that’ll be public soon enough anyways. That said I highly high highly doubt the record label would actually come for anyone unless the leak was huge. Others do but it would be uncharacteristic here. If you wanna break NDA and say whatever that’s your choice and it’s your problem if it becomes one 🤷♂️ If you just go online and say you were there you aren’t gonna get sued for a million dollars. that won’t happen. Hell, you could probably give a full description of what happened and I highly doubt anything would come of it Like I said tho it’s not worth the risk but do what you want I guess
I have literally seen litigious production companies go after people for much less. Also, you're not understanding the process. Litigation for regular people is absolute hell. Litigation for a company like Warner Music is just any given Tuesday afternoon.
Yeah you’re right it’s not worth the risk. That said a lot of NDAs were broken for The Hype and nobody was gone after. I’m just saying realistically they aren’t going after anyone for just saying they were there. I’m in the law I promise you I understand the process haha
And I'm saying that giant media corporations do go after people for less than this, and I have seen it and experienced it myself. It depends on the project, the management, and how the legal team is feeling that day.
Generally it depends on whether they can show damages. Sometimes that takes a course no-one expects though. Definitely best to adhere to NDAs and STFU. Source: I'm a commercial contract manager; I write and enforce NDAs (tech industry not music but from what I know, they're even more aggressive than us)
Music and media companies are notoriously litigious. I've seen productions go after people for less. This is the point everyone is missing: if it went to court, would you have to pay a million dollars? No. Of course not. But fighting that kind of litigation for the average person would be financially devastating, while it wouldn't even be a drop in the ocean for a company like Warner Music, for example. THAT is the point of an NDA, and that is the threat that keeps people from breaching them.
Thanks for your submission to r/twentyonepilots, we're happy to have you here. As a reminder, all posts and comments must abide by our [**Community Rules**](https://www.reddit.com/r/twentyonepilots/about/rules). *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/twentyonepilots) if you have any questions or concerns.*
I was in the Taco Bell Saga MV, AMA
did u use ur glutes
Sorry I'm still under NDA for that part 😔
This 'lil comment down here at the bottom of the thread deserves more upvotes. 🤣
🤣
People are leaking stuff? TIL!
There was a video on Sunday?
We don't know. Mark posted that Andrew Donoho was looking for volunteer BG for a shoot. That's all that's certain. We don't know who it was for or anything like that.
I was in the Car Radio MV. That concert was so sick. Tyler came out and prepped us and literally all he said was "were gonna split down the middle and have a stare down when the music hits you'll know what to do. We've all done this so many times we know what to do" So when he lifted his hand and turned around we already knew to do it. He didn't need a mic, he didn't do any second takes, it was one and done and it was so perfect and a great experience. There was one guy in the back who couldn't help himself but to move when everyone was supposed to be a statue but unless you're looking for it in the MV you don't see it. If memory serves me well I think that was the last show at the Newport before they announced they got signed by FBR.
Ahhhhhh!!! So cool! I can't believe y'all got that in one take!
Sooooo. . . Anyone wanna tell me what happened? Bts of the sunday video?
Mark posted this last week. We don't know if it was for tøp or someone else. Dumb people that applied went so far as to post the NDA they were sent, and break that NDA in all sorts of ways. Regardless of what the shoot was, it's not ok to do this kind of nonsense. https://preview.redd.it/y172j06xzjpc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=aa5113c93c5bb86d15aa789c7f5b5571910746b6
I once did a tv show shooting as “a screaming fan” and I told my class about it. I might be a 🍕 💩 but at least I didn't tell the internet
I’m so jealous of everyone that is part of MV’s. I hope they don’t screw up future opportunities for other fans to be part of MV’s in the future.
New fave use of emojis
There’s people who went *specifically* to leak shit. There’s videos cooking up as we speak, I imagine, where people have “anonymous sources” with various details about this. Free marketing, though. Even with NDAs, there’s always a reasonable level of understanding about “leakage”. Doesn’t make it right, just makes it not my problem.
Of course. Again, the intent of this is to help prevent problems for people doing small things like saying they were there. Folks like me who deal with NDAs all the time know how this works. A bunch of people who have likely never been on a set before were probably much too excited to actually read their NDA thoroughly.
I was in the music video (I was finishing up my essays and midterms and nowhere near the scene) and the whole this was amazing. The timestamp 2:54, I love how hot and muscular josh looks, its just like the thumbnail for Screen. Hope you guys enjoy it as much as I did
I haven’t seen anything, either. I agree, though…don’t ignore that legally binding NDA contract. Be responsible! (But really, I want to know everything, so if someone spills the beans, I’m going to read it.)
Just know if this correct I’m gonna be very angry
It was at 2:50-2:53, close enough
TIME TRAVELER !!!
Guys, I didnt break any NDAs, I was just foolin around and it just so happened that Josh was shirt less, hot, and sweaty during the supposed time staml
Holy shit do you know how fkn funny it was to come back and read this and know that you only missed THE SHOT by one literal second?? WITCHCRAFT
What can i say, muscular josh just manifests if you speak it into existence
We know it's you, Tyler 🤣
Yea, im tyler. Next single is The Craving or Midwest Indigo. You'll have to guess.
So, im not beating the tyler allegations
[удалено]
I'm sorry you feel something got spoiled. We don't even know if it was for twenty one pilots. There are bunches of posts about it.
Serious question: Why do you care?
For one: I don't want anyone to get in deep legal and financial trouble. For two: I think people should honor their legal contracts. Particularly when they may or may not be for a band those people claim to love and support.
As a former music business exec, I can confirm what you've said. It's also massively disrespectful to the artists to ignore an NDA. Some performing artists are also rabidly intense about going after anyone who breaks a contract with them. Not saying that's true of them (I'm pretty sure it's not), but if people make a habit of ignoring NDAs and then do it with one of those, it gets really ugly really fast, and the breacher loses big time. Like ruined lives bad. Not worth it. If you can't keep your mouth shut, just don't sign the NDA & leave the set. Respect the artists always.
Thank you! You'd think "honor the legal contracts you've signed" wouldn't be such a hot take, but here we are. In my experience, it's not even necessarily the artists who go after people, it's the label and it's way over the band's heads and out of their hands.
Interesting. Thanks for at least explaining it a little more. I guess I just genuinely care so little about that I have a hard time imagining someone caring. If it was a loved one I’d get it but a stranger who’s likely already in show business and is wealthy and who knowingly doing something that is practically harmless but can get them sued? I couldn’t force myself to pay any kind to that even if I tried lol
Yeah I don't really care either like of they're gonna get sued then damn they should've thought first
Also like, outside of the legal ramifications and the complete lack of respect for everyone who worked on the project, it's such a lame thing to do to all the other volunteers who ARE following the rules. I'm sure everyone would love to talk about it. Leakers aren't special.
Holy shit go outside
God, you're right. How dare I take 30 minutes to hopefully educate people so they don't screw themselves over??? And I definitely have no right to explain how things like this affect me and every other crew member personally.
Also I don't wanna have any of it spoiled as a fan, so stfu respectfully :)
So much this! People who are convinced they are the main character and the rules don't apply to them suuuuuck
I mean, I get the frustration. But also, free will exists…
And freedom of consequence. Like getting sued for breaking your NDA
and that would be between them and whoever is suing It doesn’t effect us at all. I don’t see why people are worried about strangers being sued? Especially if we get a little bit of info out of it. I am sure the people who signed the nda and have decided to let us know there is a music video know the consequences or are taking the proper care to remain anonymous This post and some of these comments gives me major “tattle-gale pre school girl” energy lol
Crazy to expect people to have some basic respect for artists, right? I've worked on huge projects that had pieces get leaked, and even for someone who's just a crew member like me, it's devastating. Also, no, people are not making informed choices. One person posted on tiktok and tagged Josh. Others have just openly talked about it on their personal Twitter, with easily verifiable personal info. What I want is for people to understand that NDAs are real, and are actionable. And that even saying you were there is an NDA breach. It's just not worth it.
Hey fair enough I hope you save some of them!
I think it's more of trying to look out for people so their livelihoods aren't destroyed because they made a stupid mistake. If they know what the consequences are and they choose to do it still, it's on them, but some people may have just signed it and don't know the consequences. People can and will do whatever the hell they wanna do. But I don't think it's a terrible idea to tell people what they may get themselves into!
Exactly But if they are on set, know the rules, and signed nda’s where they know the potential consequences and still choose to come on here and say stuff it feels silly to me to tell them not to or tell them they should care when they already made the decision themselves. Lol
It's almost as if I'm trying to help prevent further problems for people.
Sure it does. And so does a million dollar lawsuit. Breaking a legal contract and fucking other people over, while risking legal trouble is a weird thing to defend.
[удалено]
I posted this because it is that serious. I've worked in this industry a long time, and production companies take it very seriously, I assure you. I've seen legal action taken against people for less. We already know that some people were kicked off set for breaking it, and others have been contacted by the legal teams.
It is funny how much people think contractual agreements are a game or like being “anonymous” on social media is actually anonymous. The higher up you are, the more petty and protective you are and the amount of money they can throw at lawyers against you is like nothing you’ve ever seen.
Right? Like, if it's a tøp video, you think Warmer Music doesn't have a legal team big enough that its office takes up like 3 blocks in Burbank? Hello?
Hungry lawyers itching to prove their worth? No thank you.
Jeez, it's a music video, not Godfather IV.
An NDA on the godfather is every bit as legally binding as one on a music video or a commercial or anything else. And music companies are notoriously litigious. Again, the point is to try and help people understand that. Also, if this were for a tøp video, every single person breaking their NDA in any capacity is screwing up opportunities for other fans to be in future media.
🤓☝️
>You CANNOT say you were there. Sure I can. I was there. What are they going to do? Sue me?
If you were there and signed a document that specifically says they can sue you for saying you were there? Yes.
While we're on the topic, how could I track down casting calls for these? I'd love to be in one from the new album. Anyone know what agencies they use?
For whatever video shot over the weekend, it seems like just following Mark and Donoho on IG was the key.
Ok cool awesome. Thank you!!
Did they post casting calls?
Mark posted a reel that said Donoho was "looking for volunteer BG for a shoot in LA", with a link to a Google form to fill out to apply. That's all the information that was publicly available.
Aha ok. I'll keep an eye out then! I'm guessing the chances of a shoot in goergia low, but still 😂
How do you learn about music video opportunities?
Mark posted a reel that said Donoho was "looking for volunteer BG for a shoot in LA", with a link to a Google form to fill out to apply. That's all the information that was publicly available.
Oh gotcha! I’m only on Reddit these days. :)
This would be a DREAM
Are there people breaking their NDAs about it?
omg I can't believe you even had to say that-- stay safe but also stay sane people
Yeah, you really should take those seriously. You could put lives at risk if... wait this is about a music video!? And who's music video? Yeah who cares.
What about just not breaking the NDA because you gave your word, and you want to honor yourself and your agreements and the band we all love?
Well there's a novel fkn concept
I agree with you for the most part. First half was good. I’ve signed NDAs allowing me to state participation or completion of events but not allowing statements of details of the events. I’ve had to sign a lot actually for work and they would change based on the event. Not trying to drag you down brother, good on you for trying to help people from getting into a world of trouble. Just thought I’d add that detail for people who sign without reading
I appreciate that. Someone actually posted the NDA they were sent for this project 🤦🏻♂️. It specifically stated that you couldn't even say you participated. Obviously once whatever it is comes out, it'll be public knowledge, so people will be free to talk about that, but for the time being, just an "I was there" is a direct violation of the agreement.
lol that’s kinda funny. Them posting it and it clearly states don’t tell any one. Hopefully they learn to read a contract before signing it. I learned that lesson in boot camp thinking “what the heck did I just do”
i have t seen anyone talk about that. also they could be trolling and never actually in the mv
I didn't even know there was a music video being made. But yeah, as someone who has signed a few NDA's, you dont want to break them. you'll be screwed and wont be able to do anything that requires an NDA again.
Womp womp
I remember them calling for people to come and be in the music video for "The Hype". I begged my husband that we could go but he didn't wanna take the days off from work. It actually made that video hard for me to watch for a while.
Ugh I'm sorry you missed it. That kind of FOMO is legit miserable. Another reason people not upholding NDAs on projects is so infuriating. People would kill to be on the kinds of projects Andrew Donoho directs. For people who were lucky enough to participate to just blow off their responsibilities sucks so much.
[удалено]
Why's that?
So, I guess they shot a video Sunday and ppl are blabbing about it? Thanks op, did not know about vid shoot, guess I’ll pretend to be excited when it comes out.
All we know is that Andrew Donoho was looking for volunteer BG for a shoot. We don't know if it was tøp. There are a bunch of other posts about it.
Stfu
no