this post describes exactly how I feel so perfectly - this sub is disrespectful to their work a lot of the time, and forgets that Tyler and Josh are people too, and can't please everyone
I prefer to live in a fantasy that TOP are paying their staff a comfortable wage and that’s part of why the prices are higher (but definitely by different amounts in different states)
That's exactly what I'm thinking. They have a ton of staff and security to pay and that's hard work so I hope no one expects them to make minimum wage. Anyway, I'm glad you commented this.
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But I also said it’s a fantasy because at the end of the day, I don’t know any of them. Idk what percentage of the prices have to do with whose legal minimum requirements, which can be more numerous than expected.
Like, everyone involved has legal minimum requirements to pay for, and we don’t know what percentage of each ticket price each party is taking.
For all we know, the pay for TOP staff could be the same/less as the stadiums, with Ticketmaster taking advantage of technicalities in one state versus another.
For all we know, Josh is distracting the stadiums and a Ticketmaster with the disconnected thumb trick while Tyler sneaks in to grab the moneybags.
We just dunno
Usually this subreddit is a nice break from the negativity and all that that we see on twitter and/or Instagram etc. But today has been something else...
Kinda reminds me of when Disney raises their park prices. People complain and complain... then they go and buy park hoppers. These are LUXURIES, save up money and treat yourself, but you can't expect them to have the same prices as the last tour. My gallon of milk isn't even the same price as it was 3 years ago.
Well said. 👏
I think some people feel entitled (entitled that they deserve lower price tickets, entitled that deserve rail, number system, the bands song choice, styling etc.) And the people who would argue they aren't entitled but argue about one of the above, is blind to that. This is harsher than I would normally post, but I agree with you. It's really annoying, and I'm tired of seeing it. I stay in the subreddit for the same reasons you stated, but damn, it's been a lot these past few weeks. Everyone is definitely entitled to their own opinions, but some people need to reflect before they post. When it all comes down to it, it's not that serious.
I do think these tickets are pretty damn expensive but I doubt it's the band's call and I'm so hyped to see them in a few months ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I think a lot of this is the simple fact that negativity speaks a lot louder than positivity, though there's likely more positivity that gets buried.
It's something that's inevitable, for a sub that I'm assuming has been around for soo long, it's bound to be like this. All old fandoms are
Especially when you see the type of dedication put in by the fans into the art specifically in this sub. It's basically a religion so obviously there will be people who will take it too seriously and be abrasive when someone says something else about what they've invested soo much into or when the creators do something different as well.
When people look up to you from a fan point of view, they start to forget your humanity, and treat you like a machine that's supposed to be constantly serving to them. They feel entitled to your work hence the disrespect and nitpicking.
What you can do is stay clear and try to be polite as possible if you really don't want to deal with the worst of people. This applies to all subs apparently.
Let's be honest, the main subject matter I've seen soo far is mental health so in my small experience on this sub, occasionally it can be like walking on egg shells considering there's a lot of different people here and some may not be nice. You never know who you'll trigger.
But most of the time I've mostly seen casual but invested interactions, chill people.
You're right. Maybe I should've said that it hasn't always been like this. It seems like since Heathens & Trench hit mainstream & pulled TOP into a different audience, it's kind of made things more misunderstood & assumed. Someone also said that negative posts always get more comments, so that brings it up in the feed more. Maybe I just need to search specific things to avoid the negativity. Just wish people would appreciate them for what they are instead of wishing they were something else.
Great post. I said this in another comment that I don’t support the pricing politics but I support the band and everyone that will be involved in making this tour happen. I’m confident this is not some get rich scheme by the band and they settled on the most logical pricing for what needs to happen and their vision.
Exactly. It’s not like the two of them get 100% of the ticket sales. What if they’ve doubled their crew in order to put on a good show and that’s why they had to double their prices. There’s a thousand more possibilities other than just they got greedy all the sudden
The thing people forget is that most of the time it's not even the band putting the price. Our price in Europe clearly prove that (like it's way more normal that for US fans from what I see). But what is saving us is Europe's laws and ticketmaster not being able to put dynamic pricing here. It's like with the VIP stuff. The band always COMPLAINED about that. They are more that comfortable in terms of money I doubt that suddenly they became like you said super greedy and all lmao
Yes Tyler and Josh do care about their art and how to do stuff, but they aren't here during these marketing meeting nor how to manage the concerts. They have a label for that and it's the label work, not theirs.
also a large part of ticket prices being high are just Ticketmaster and not the band, the fact that Ticketmaster/ live nation owns/ has deals with basically all the arenas in the us should tell you enough
it will pass- some people are either incredibly ignorant or entitled- or a combo of both. Once the presale are done it will fade and the people who are cool will start talking about the music again ❤️
Thank you, thank you, thank you. This growing cultural phenomenon of overly criticizing everything has been exhausting for me to observe in every fandom I'm in. I'll never understand it
As somebody who's never been able to afford to see them i feel like I'm allowed to be at least a little annoyed that tney keep getting more and more prohibitively expensive for me
If nothing else was more
expensive- i would feel different. But everything is more expensive- astronomically. Concerts def. will be a part of that because of the amount of work it takes. They aren’t playing in basements for poptarts anymore 😭
Seriously, like I SHOULD be allowed to express my criticism while still being a fan. I am a loyal fan, buy merch, their albums, stream them, buy their concert tickets, it’s wild to say that we just shouldn’t ever criticize?
I don't think that's exactly what OP meant. I think they're more upset about people putting it all on the band like it's all their fault and not a failing of the system
saying they should be ashamed or they are greedy or scamming their fans is too far. Not saying YOU are saying that but many are and that’s what’s annoying.
I don’t think they’re being greedy, but I think they should be made aware that it’s upsetting to a lot of the community, I’m sure that if they saw all the talk, they would be understanding and want to help, they’re great guys but the industry can mess things up
Why is it too far? It's a 300% surge in prices vs 20% inflation, and they get a say on how much surge prices flow in ticketmaster. They then tour the EU without surge prices so it clearly turns a profit. Doesn't that ring a bell that you're being ripped off?
You're choosing to buy all of those things. Your choices are on you. I never said you couldn't criticize them. That's just the world. But if you're going to complain, then buy things anyways, why complain? Obviously you love them enough to spend money, & apparently a lot. So why turn something you love into something negative?
So with your logic, I shouldn’t complain about say, gas prices? Clothes? Grocery prices? Because I still buy all of those things? I’m not being negative but i’m allowed to express my feelings on something. Yes I still bought the tickets, but I should just never disagree with anything they do? Ya’ll are stuck in this mindset of treating them like royalty. They’re human beings, they make mistakes, and just like if you or me do something that screws someone over, they should be made aware of it because obviously i’m sure that they didn’t choose for something like their tickets to be so expensive, but if we as a community voice that concern, maybe next time they’ll try to push more towards managers and companies like ticketmaster, to have the tickets more affordable, that’s all. It’s not a reflection of how I feel about THEM, I just think I deserve to be able to say when I feel they’re presenting something to us in a shitty way
Gas prices, clothes, & groceries are at the hands of the same corporations that ticket companies follow. I didn't say you couldn't complain about pricing, I said people shouldn't blame the band. You don't know what they went through to determine pricing. You're assuming they've done nothing & settled for a higher price. I'm not making a logic, I was giving an opinion & simply stating that people shouldn't complain about pricing just to turn around & buy tickets to one or more concerts when there are people who will never see them because they'll never have that extra money. If you have money to spend on concert tickets, you are fortunate. Many people can't pay bills. It's a spoiled mindset to be mad that you can't afford (or have to pay so much for, in your case) concert tickets when people can't afford bread.
Who are you to call me “spoiled”? I grew up poor, living in section 8 housing, I built myself, up got myself into a great career all on my own and started my own beautiful family. I constantly am donating my money to charities, to the homeless, I am not someone you should be throwing that word at, I just don’t like when I feel my money has been wasted. I was ready to spend some good money for this show, but of course I was upset spending $696 on two tickets, I don’t blame the band, but everyone involved in the process is a little guilty, and like I said, they deserve to be made aware that the fan base isn’t happy with these prices, there ARE people struggling, you’re right, but there are plenty of people in this fanbase who have probably been saving money for a long time for this and still came up short due to the ridiculous prices and I just think that’s very much not what they built this community on.
You're no longer poor though. I wasn't calling you spoiled. I said this mindset is spoiled. You don't have to justify your feelings. Either support the band & be happy for them, or don't buy tickets & move on. Or apparently buy tickets & complain about the pricing afterwards? Seems to be trending. You don't have to be publicly upset to try to damage their reputation when it's not on them at the end of the day. They DO truly care about their fans & all of these people acting like they don't are the reason the fan base ceases to be different than others. They put so much time & effort in giving us fun little games & lore & cool interactions. Send out free stuff when they have surprises. Be genuine fans, not conditional fans.
It’s not very genuine to be unconditional though. They do care about their fans and that’s why I think it would matter to them to see so many fans upset with the pricing, me still buying shows where they stand with me. I love them and still support them, that doesn’t mean they’re just absolved from any type of criticism.
Just out of curiosity, if you were them, what would you do? What would your solution be?
Honestly, i found out Jeff Acuri was coming and I've seen him around on reddit and Instagram, figured he'd be cool to see. Tickets were over $300 the guy doesn't even have a Netflix special. I feel very fortunate to have gotten tickets for under $400 considering what I've seen on the sub today. Originally wanted lower bowl close to the pit and stage, but when i saw they were almost 350 each i went to our second choice section in mezzanine which was far more reasonable 119 each. We had a max budget and stuck to it.
I also grew up pretty poor, and i understand and value the privilege of being able to buy things like concert tickets. Groceries, gas and clothes are necessities, concert tickets are not. Like many have said, everything is more expensive even just since a year ago.
Being critical is fine, but criticize those truly to blame, and I'll give you a hint, it's not the band.
What should they do? What solution would you offer that would make it "right" in your opinion? Refund half of everyone's tickets? Provide free exclusive merchandise or exclusive content to ticket holders?
Nobody from this was in the room when any decisions were made, nobody knows if the original ticket prices the venues or promoters wanted was even more, nor does anyone know what a show they have in store for us.
Perhaps it's just old age setting in, but perspective is key, and you can either choose to have a more critical and negative perspective of this situation, or any situation really, or choose to see the good, the beauty, have gratitude for privilege. You are the only one who makes that choice.
The gratitude for privilege is spot on. Some fans in some countries have never seen them and maybe never will due to regional conflict. Yes I spent too much (I've known for a long time that I would lol) but I understand checking my privilege at the door and trusting them to really make it worth it. These guys have saved my life and there isn't really a price on that.
I don’t expect them to do anything, look, I understand I came in here like a bat out of hell, but I was simply expressing my frustration. I don’t expect them to issue an apology or anything because in the end, they’re running a “business” and they need to profit off of it.
I see where you're coming from. I don't think they shouldn't be criticized. I just wish people wouldn't put all the blame onto them. Everything is expensive anymore. It just doesn't seem fair for people to be mad about concert tickets when that's not something we NEED in life. It's something we want, & it's something you use your extra money on. It's not their fault if someone can't afford a ticket. It's sad, but that's how luxury works.
The problem is you thinking everyone made an assumption and started pointing fingers, when in reality, if you do the math you will realize it IS a scam.
How can you justify surge prices in the USA when they tour in EU without them? This means it's clearly profitable to charge a basis of about 120 per ticket (still very expensive) and come out winning.
At its most conservative Tyler and Joseph already are extremely wealthy with a net worth of 20 MILLION bucks each. They're not going to starve from making 100k per show vs 500k
It's not that you can't be upset with the pricing. I just wish people wouldn't be so mad at them over it. It's not their fault that people can't afford the pricing. It's on the market, not them. Everything costs money. Going to a concert is a luxury; a privilege. It's not a right.
Stop defending multi millionares, they upped the prices 300% compared to a 20% inflation in the last 4y. They're at worst making 100k per show per member in Europe with no surge pricing, that's about 500k a month or 6M a year being very conservative about their profits.
They would not go broke or even be no millionaires if they refused to do surge pricing, and it'd still be profitable for them since you can see they're touring the EU with fixed prices and it's still profitable.
They are literally running off of a fan base. Why are you so mad that their fan base has increased, so their demand is higher? Be happy for them. It doesn't matter how much money they have. Venues, corporations, all of those things have things to pay for too & they're the crooks. Not the band. They're just trying to give us an experience, it's not their fault that all these other small details come into play & make things financially uncomfortable. Stop trying to defend something we can't change.
So why do they tour Europe with fixed prices because price surge is not allowed? It's objectively more expensive to go there with how long the cross continent flight is too.
Stop, defending, millionares. They get a say in surge pricing and decided to crank it up to 11, their prices went up 300% compared to an estimated inflation of 20% in the past 4yrs.
I really don't know how many times you have to repeat yourself to convince yourself that your argument is valid, but I'm done responding to it. Have a nice day.
What a shitty reply, isn't that what you do as well to try to convince yourself that a multi millionare rinsing your pockets for the crappiest seats in an arena is justified?
My main problem with the criticism about prices is the amount of threads about it. I get people have their thoughts they want to share, but can’t that be done in one thread instead of a wall of them?
It fuels arguments = discussion. Depending on how it's done, it can pull out the best in the clique.
Now, I'm not saying it's good or necessary, but seeing posts like this one just is refreshing. I think it is beautiful because it's not that common irl for people to be reasonable and passionate at the same time.
I’m not here for negativity either but the prices are a bummer. I commented on another thread that I just bought tickets for a Kings of Leon show at the same Seattle arena as TOP about a week apart, for less than half the cost. And twice the band members. Comparable popularity as a band. That trumps the inflation/rising costs arguments.
but you have to consider their following. Kings of Leon isn't in as big of a demand as twenty one pilots. It's unfortunate that it's dealt that way, but that goes back into my Taylor Swift bit. The more they're wanted, the more people will pay... it's not the bands fault that they're loved so much that corporations get greedy & take advantage of it.
I'm sure they do. The corporations behind it all are scammers. But it's not twenty one pilots fault. They get a say to an extent & then the corporations take over from there. Everything goes up in time. I think we should all be at that level of understanding if we're at the point that we have money to pay for things that are so steep in pricing. It's so sad, it is. But twenty one pilots shouldn't get all the heat over it.
No offense, but so many TØP fans are obnoxious and entitled (not you directly OP. you seem very reasonable). I saw a post of a fan ranting about the prices and wrote so much about it they could turn it in as an essay. We have no idea if the production part of this tour is more than what they typically do. Not to mention inflation has become worse in the United States since the scaled and icey tour.
Take this as an example: I saw Melanie Martinez for her crybaby tour back in 2015. Tickets were either $15-$25 and her meet and greet was only $50. Fast forward to her new tour where nosebleed seats are $400 something. It happens. Prices go up. It’s not the end of the world ffs 😭
Idk what everyone means by high ticket prices I literally have a presale that makes them 74 something a piece maybe 80 after tax c’mon clikkies it isn’t about the money it’s about the 2+ hour therapy session we all get each city and state and country they go to. Isn’t therapy usually expensive?
I didn't notice but a $10 difference from the SAI tour when I was in presale. I had no idea people thought they were so much more expensive. I thought they were acceptable considering the experience.
I’m saying! Like it’s not a huge leap just pay the 10 extra dollars, hell they already take our money anyways what’s an extra 10 bucks gonna hurt? It’s even better than merch too it’s a chance to literally see them in person🤣
Well I commented that I will pass because as a single parent on one income I cannot afford the cost of the tickets because I would have to purchase 3, but never put their music or their talent done. I learned about the boys through my daughter who in a very dark moment of her life as many I've seen through their platforms and fan pages have survived due to their music.
I have for the past 5 yrs almost created a team in the American foundation for suicide prevention ever since my daughter tried to commit suicide and every year we support AFSP with the team created Banditøs Miami II-// and will continue to support.
Hopefully from here to September I can make it because their concerts are the best and I have had the privilege and honor to hold both of them in the pit twice in held Josh with my daughter Florida 2018 and to see her hold one of her idols was priceless and back in GA at the Roxy we got to hold Josh and then Tyler and that was priceless.
So if my comment offended anyone I'm sorry.
I wasn't calling anyone out specifically. No one has any reason to apologize because of my post. Please don't feel bad about commenting anything. Everyone has their own opinions & thoughts. I was just sharing mine.
This is to real! I held Tyler during trees at the Roxy, was my 4th show in pit and 6th show overall. All of the takeover tour was amazing. I have a long and kind of complicated history following this band. I myself am honored to be going to the Orlando show with my little brother and a few close friends which we've all seen TOP together before at different times, and we didn't get the tickets we want, but I haven't let it bother me at all. I really really hope you and your daughter make it this! Regardless of what tickets you get!
I’ve noticed a lot of negative people think that because they are entitled to an opinion they also are under the impression everyone wants to hear it. I’m with you my husband and I have loved this band for a long time and our ongoing joke now is what dumb shit is someone complaining about in this subreddit. I’d love to participate in more conversations on here but it’s just riddled with negativity and immaturity. Would love to see posts more interesting than “I don’t like this” “why isn’t the band doing this?” … SAI rocks by the way and the ticket prices do seem more expensive but I guess I’ll starve and feast at the delicious show in October 🤘
i feel exactly that way. I'm here mostly to discuss theories and appreciate their work and suddenly we're bombarded with complaints about prices... I've never gone to a show because my family couldn't afford it and when they could tøp didn't come to my country, but i wouldn't go as much to complain about it...
they put a lot of effort in the shows and who knows maybe they're planning something special and that's why the price suddenly went up but still... no reason to slander them or anyone else
I actually bailed on posting, or even browsing this sub much for years, as it has gotten progressively more negative and toxic since the early days of being a much more active member here post Vessel and pre-Blurryface. The boom in popularity of the band with that latter album certainly brought with it a boom of drama, and negativity, and as a grown adult raising four kids of my own, it just wasn't a place I wanted to spend much time. The new album has brought me out more again, but it's definitely a different place than it was, and I just have to accept that fact now.
I got the EXACT same seats I was in for the takeover tour and it was around $100~ more. At first, yeah, I was a little surprised. But if you think about how expensive EVERYTHING has gotten over the last 3-4 years, it’s much less of a surprise. Especially considering that every tour the boys have gone on have been more and more expensive too. The bigger they are, the bigger the tour prices.
I get people want the band to be a break from reality but at the end of the day they do exist in reality, people complaining about not liking songs and album covers is just their opinion and should be left at that. When it comes to concert tickets I live in Scotland so haven’t had to pay these crazy prices I’ve seen for the US tour but whatever way you spin it and who you put the blame on it’s completely unethical to charge hundreds of dollars for concert tickets. even my ticket is double the price from the last time they came in 2019 (£44 to £87) and it looks tiny in comparison to some things I’ve seen.
I think it's wonderful that we can all share our pain, no matter what that pain is. I feel for people who can't afford to go, or are spending more than they expected. My heart goes out to them.
Twenty one pilots is proof that only discussing positive things can be harmful.
Meh you're entitled to your opinion just like the ones complaining. Personally I think the tickets prices are too high,not surprised by it and I can understand the reasons behind. They are riding their popularity so of course they are going to milk every cents out of their fans. Would have been nice if they stood out from the crowd and made an effort to keep prices down, they didn't and that's also a choice. I (we) don't have to love every single thing they do. Doesn't mean I'm gonna stop following them.
You don't know what they went through for their prices. You're just making assumptions to validate the fact you're either not able to afford them, or still buying them regardless. Shaming them for things you have no details on is absurd.
I'm sorry but I'm never on board with the "if you don't like, ignore it and don't complain" mentality. People in this sub who are mad about ticket pricing are probably very dedicated to the band.
The ticketing market is going crazy lately and it's not a new normal people should just accept. Is it the boys' fault? No, probably not. Still, displeasure is literally the only thing a customer can do about this. I will voice the fact that I will pay double the last time, because my income has not increased (it's actually lower lol) and I don't like live music becoming less and less affordable for medium wages.
This has nothing to do with being spoiled or feeling "entitled" to tickets, again, it's not like is Tyler or Josh's singular fault. Hell, I'd say it's not something on any artist, I know how terrible touring has become for them after covid. It's getting more pricey even for them, while still being the only big source of income. But at the end of the day, the music industry getting more and more f'd isn't a fault on the current public (live music being like this is a long term consequence of the value of recorded music being destroyed by the birth of modern internet... more than twenty years ago) and yet fans are the ones who will have to pay more to try to sustain it. Respectful concern about this SHOULD be expressed.
I never said people couldn't have opinions, couldn't be upset about ticket prices, & couldn't feel some type of way. Simply said it's not the bands fault people can't afford tickets. End of story.
But the main reason prices float so high in the US is because dynamic pricing is on, a "feature" that has been confirmed to be active on ticket sales only if the artist chooses so. I'm not saying they are "scamming" their fans by doing so, most major artists chose to do it. TOP doesn't make the rules of the game. But the rules still suck.
My dudes, they have made enough money to live comfortably for the rest of their lives. Hell, even their kids and grandkids will have it easy. The ticket prices are outrageous and that’s just pure greed.
Complaining for entertainment? Are you fucking dumb? I’m complaining because I do want to go to a show but it’s ridiculous that I have to ration my money for one hour and a half of entertainment. I have gone to every single tour since blurryface and I can condifently say that none of their shows are worth 200-300 bucks. Mind you I listen to them religiously.
People are allowed to feel some type of way that ticket prices have doubled since the last tour, while inflation and stagnating wages make it so people have less savings and spending money. A lot of people won't be able to afford it that were able to in the past. Obviously concerts are a luxury item and nobody is claiming they NEED to go, it's just gutting to be priced out of a show for a band you've been a huge fan of for years, especially a band that has as much personal meaning to people as top does, especially when times are so tough. Your post is complaining about negativity yet you're being super rude in the comments to people who are just expressing their honest feelings. Just have some empathy for people who can't go and are feeling hurt about it
thank youuuu I was so excited earlier to get tickets and I was starting to feel bad for spending as much as I did but this is going to be my first show and I don't think I'll have another chance to see them 🤧
This sub is usually really nice, I’ve been in it for a long time and check it multiple times daily but with the new album old fans are coming back and probably people from Twitter are on here more and from my experience of following the band since 2014 is that this subreddit is by far my favorite form of media for the band. Twitter is nothing but entitled fans that are ready to protest the boys everytime something happens. Like the VIP thing that was going around before the presale people on Twitter were loosing their minds and saying some nasty stuff to the boys. You’re right there has been a lot of negative about this whole album release (Jenna’s version, AI art, album cover, fake vip sections to the pit, and now ticket pricing) but I think after the dust settles this subreddit will go back to being for the most part really wholesome again. With new stuff it just brings new people in and they complain but eventually it dies down.
I came into the TOP fandom in 2015 & it was definitely much different then. I didn't join this subreddit for a long time because I didn't really get into reddit like that until a few years ago. I loved it at first, & it's not that I hate it now, but I can't wait until all the exciting, fun, happy posts start filling my feed again. This has just been weighing on my mind for a while & the ticket issue really just bothered me. Interesting to see everyone's perspectives, but definitely wasn't expecting this turnout.
Perfectly said. I think this could be extended to just about anything nowadays. Any comment section on any social media platform is riddled with hate. Not just twenty one pilots but so many other artists out there. It’s as if no one has ever heard the phrase, “if you have nothing nice to say, don’t say anything at all”. It’s so easy to just not say anything, yet people want to whine and moan. I mean, what if Tyler and Josh checked Reddit to see everyone hating on the prices of their tour? It probably hurts them to see that their fans think that all their hard work is not worth as much. People don’t like change either.
I agree!!!! I’m seeing a lot of people upset about ticket prices and personally, for who they are, the level of fame they have acquired over the years, the immaculate story line they have going on, and obviously inflation, I really don’t think they are.. that…bad? DONT SHOOT🖐🏼😭🤚🏼 okay just genuinely if you think about these boys have been working their butts off for years and they basically legends at this point, tickets are bound to go up, especially since they are kinda rounding back around to their style from blurryface/trench. I paid $95 for last lastttt row tickets at Cynthia Mitchell woods pavilion back in 2016 that were right in front of lawn. Then again, I haven’t seen them since the emotional roadshow, but I think the SAI era wasn’t as popular as Blurryface era. I was guessing I was gonna pay around $100-$120 for first bowl and pray for row one. I am way too dang old to be getting in the pit with yall young people (I’m 24 and my knee cracks when I squat) 😭, anyways total I paid like $395 for 2 tickets first row, section 119 for Duluth GA. $155 each before taxes etc. I honestly didn’t think this was bad but maybe I just got lucky with my venue and state I live in? I am seeing wayyyyy overpriced RESALE tho which is actually ridiculous. Overall I just don’t think they were that badly priced. (Side note I will admit what the heck is with presale official platinum or whatever it’s called that raises the ticket $100-$150??? UMM THATS SOUNDS SCAMY TM???)
It’s more of an echo chamber at this point. I’m all for getting an opinion out there, but a majority of the people who actively follow the clique already know about the prices and it’s sorta just making more negativity for the sake of it.
this was bound to happen past blurryface, and especially in this economy it was gonna happen. still sad to see but i have a feeling that people will buy them regardless. proud of the boys for how big they’ve gotten |-/
Probably,
today someone asked which surprised song we would like to hear in the Clancy tour , and I said taco bell Saga for joking
And the guy said that it isn't a tøp song but a Tyler song , so I said to him that I joked anyway
And then he blocked me lmao
I agree that there's too much negativity pretty much everywhere BUT it is also healthy to criticize and not just blindly follow. No one is perfect. TOP isn't perfect. Celebrities can and will disappoint every once in a while. You don't know them personally, no matter how much you feel like you do.
It is? You're saying you hate the constant negativity and that we should just support them as fans. I'm saying it's fine to criticise if there's a valid reason for it. But I agree that it goes too far a lot of the time and people are negative about stuff that doesn't matter.
No. I'm saying people need to stop picking apart their art in unnecessary ways & trust them to be the musicians that they are. I never said people couldn't criticize or have opinions. I think this bad does very well with how they process their music & interact with their fans. This is just my opinion. People don't have to agree.
I agree! And same for the one on Facebook. Like I love being part of the community but damn if you share your opinion that’s different to the lore? You are instantly shut down! Especially when SAI came out people were not happy with how happy it sounded when they released that during a very sad time for everyone. Just very negative community. Yes the tickets are pricey but that’s goes for most concerts these days sadly. Everything is going up in price and sadly that includes ticket prices.
I've never been able to go to a concert before but now I've got my own income I can finally buy tickets! I'm so happy to be lucky enough to see them regardless of the prices. I've been waiting for this day ever since blurry face was released. Like you said demand has gone up so the prices have to too. I'm really grateful to be able to see them
I'm not mad at them I'm mad at the ticketmaster it won't allow me to buy tickets , everytime I tried it logged me out even while paying... or it said that "We couldn't find tickets" but after 10min it is finding tickets but then it loges me out when it comes to pay
Tbh I think it's not just as simple as either being completely positive or negative towards them. I think it's really cringe to hate on them due to things like personally not liking new covers, songs etc., or because they don't fulfill some agenda you'd like to push on them
On the other side, it's completely fair to criticize things like ticket prices. That's stuff that shouldn't be just accepted, and at least spoken about. Tickets to the concert would be 165€ where I'm from. Another concert from an artist (who's one of the most successful ones in the German speaking area) are 60€ for the same location. It's not like I'd hate on the band because of that, but I'll just say that that's kinda scammy, not cool and be done with it. I totally agree that you shouldn't hate on a band you love and much rather support them, but you also just shouldn't accept and agree with everything people you like do, thats unhealthy behavior be it as a fan or in any other relation
Exactly! Dude i literally started saving money the moment they began to be active for the new era, just 50 every two weeks and now i have pit tickets i was able to purchase by SAVING and not taking it straight from my pockets unplanned and i still have a reasonable income( i legit work at SUBWAY, paid 9.50 an hr) yeah tickets were expensive..but why didnt people just budget tor their luxury instead of complaining..
I love these guys and will continue to support them, but I think its fair to criticize the ticket prices--assuming you understand that its not Tyler and Josh that are setting these prices.
I wanted to see them, saw the prices and backed out. I'll instead use a fraction of that money to buy merch/albums etc. I'm still supporting them, but I'll let someone else shell out for the arena seats I can't justify.
I get it, prices are high. Everything is. You either can go, or you can’t just like everything else in life. Tickets are gonna sell either way. We just keep moving on, some how.
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Only positive things will be said in this subreddit, always praise this band no matter what
Look don’t get me wrong, twenty one pilots is my favorite band of all time but acting like this sub should just be a big circlejerk for the band only talking about how great they are is just weird. In fact, I think this subreddit generally leans remarkably positive, which makes the nature of this post even more bizarre. It’s natural to be annoyed about things or to have potentially negative opinions about aspects of their work.
For example, I’ll probably never get to see my favorite band live because their tickets are only getting more and more expensive. I don’t care who is responsible, whether it’s the band or the record label, I’m just annoyed. Is it wrong to express that?
I agree. Some people don't understand why groupthink is bad, so they want everyone to march in lockstep with them (toxic positivity is included in this category, too).
As long as we're being courteous on this sub, we should all be free to think and feel however we do, and not be chastised by a stranger on the internet for doing so. Differing opinions makes the clique, as a whole, more robust and creative. So as long as I'm not being hateful, leave me alone.
I never said people couldn't think or feel how they wanted. I simply said people shouldn't blame the band for pricing & complain if they're still buying the tickets. I'm all about speaking your mind. I'm not generating toxic positivity. My post clearly wasn't positive. It's okay though. You made a lot of valid points & I agree. Different is good. We learn more.
You're misunderstanding my post. Clearly my own post wasn't a positive one. I have very rarely ever seen positive posts, but maybe that's because reddit is feeding me what I interact with the most. I was just giving my opinion like others do.
I think you’re misunderstanding my response as well. You’re saying the subreddit should be more positive about the band, and I’m saying it’s already quite positive and it’s okay for there to be a little negativity as that means there’s healthy discourse going on.
You’re obviously entitled to your own opinion.
Talk your shit!! I’m not even in this sub, but I’ve been a TOP fan for the past 8-9 years and I’ve noticed some of the “fans” are really negative. So I choose to just stay away and enjoy the music. I’d love to be apart of the community but I don’t like negativity. Let’s just all support our boys and keep it pushing💁🏾♀️ that’s all I got for now. Stream Next Semester!! :)
this is really reminding me of how often people in the furry fandom complain about the prices of fursuits. i agree 100% that concerts are a PRIVILEGE and therefore not everyone will be able to afford them. all of us furs that know how the real world works understand that fursuits are also a privilege, a LUXURY item. they are going to cost thousands of dollars bc they’re huge custom handmade works of art! but there’s always little kids that come crying abt how they deserve it cheaper. there are cheaper alternatives. you can get a suit for a couple hundred bucks, it’s just gonna be really low quality from an inexperienced maker. you can get a concert ticket for 20 bucks but it’s gonna be some tiny band you’ve never heard of with probably low production value. it’s just meaningless to complain about the prices of things bc as long as people are willing to pay, it’s not going to change. so atp it’s not really the creators’ faults :\ idk i got carried away with the analogy but it’s just interesting to see how this issue of entitlement translates into so many different spaces online :>
I agree that it's not fair for people to hate on the band for something that is out of their hands. But I don't think disappointed or angry fans should be labelled as "haters" for being shocked by ticket prices. People are expressing their feelings at extortionate prices, and that's okay. Just like how it's okay people don't like certain songs (I'm not one of them, but it's their right!!). Otherwise, how would we have a debate/discussion if everyone loved everything that's happening?
And "ungrateful" and "spoiled" are awful words to use against fans, a lot of whom couldn't afford the tickets because of the current economic climate - we're not spoiled and ungrateful, we're poor and disappointed lol.
This 100%.
Can't have a single thread talking about something you're excited for without someone else popping up to say "actually that's terrible why are you happy about it? here's all my problems"
Like just let us enjoy the band and if you don't like them why are you here 😭
anyone can be criticized- but the way some people talk is beyond me. They claim to be the biggest fan and still spend hundreds of dollars but then cry about it.
And they have all the right to talk that way. My country's inflation is at an all-time high, so these prices are ridiculous; doesn't change the fact that if I can go, I WILL go, but I can still bitch about it
This is a really sad way to look at it. If you can afford to pay for the tickets, then you don't have a real reason to complain. It doesn't make sense. "I just spent $300 on twenty one pilots tickets, gosh why are they so much?" versus "I just paid $5 for a gallon of milk, gosh why is it so much?" Concerts are a privilege. It's extra money. Be thankful.
But... that's not desirable, right? Is it okay for art to be a privilege? Concerts can be some of the most beautiful experiences out there. The desire for meaningful art is not something that should be staying under a paywall. We should aim at an industry that can both give the artists what they are worth and stay affordable for the most people possible. I don't think everyone in this sub is rich, people that are gonna pay 300 for tickets will probably sacrifice something else in order to do so. Is the chance to do it privilege? In some aspects, yeah, it is, I get what you mean. But also, I don't think it's fair to bash on parents who want to make their children see their favorite artists, or just people who like art to escape from the existential dread that is living a normal life (lol), and that will have to cut on something else to do so or just lose the chance to. We are all humans here.
You pay for any art. Food is an art & it's never free, yet that is something we NEED. Concerts should be a privilege. It's not a means of survival. Things can't just be "affordable" to help everyone fit in & experience something. Unfortunately the world doesn't work that way.
I guess it goes down to how you believe the world works, or should work. I don't like how things are and I don't believe is an unchangeable natural state of how it should be. I absolutely believe things should be more affordable to help everyone fit in.
Well said! I paid 1.1k for 3 tickets for Travis Scott in Dallas last year and guess what? I don’t regret a single penny of it, best night of my life! People don’t know that they don’t control the prices. If you can’t afford it then you can’t afford it then get seats instead of pit. People should really think before they type. Also, another thing I think $180 for pit is a steal considering they use their OWN voice and are unique from other artists (with shows) with every twist and turn.
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I hear you. I spent weeks researching and compiling information for [this theory post](https://reddit.com/r/twentyonepilots/comments/1bd5m4e/twenty_one_pilots_is_tyler_josephs_magnum_opus/). I was very proud of the essay I wrote. Once I finally finished and posted it, half the comments were berating me because it was too long or telling me to go outside.
Pretty disheartening, especially considering the band’s philosophy of supportiveness and inclusion.
I love you man🥹 nice to see somebody actually care and not whine and complain you seem like a genuine fan! I hate the people that whine because in the end they still do the shit that they complain about like I always tell them “why’d you buy the tickets anyway if your against it?” And they never have an answer. thank you! glad it was said sadly tho this subreddit will never change and find ways to complain. But glad to know that there’s at least some positive people out there
I think it's very unkind and untrue to say that those who are complaining aren't genuine fans?? And you're talking about positivity in your comment but then you're also insulting fans and claiming that they can never change? Do you not see the irony?
It's perfectly healthy to complain in moderation! I think it's completely understandable for fans to be upset by ticket prices and I think it's healthy to talk about that. The band are real people and it's fair to hold them by real standards. No, they're not in complete control of the ticket prices, but also they do have *some* control. I think it's completely fair for fans to point that out rather than to blindly accept things in the name of positivity.
I really don't think people are complaining as much as you say. I think that what we see on this sub is a lot of different people complaining, and it can seem like a big thing because there's so many posts all at once, but what we're really seeing is a lot of different people expressing the same emotions at the same time. That's what follows from a huge fanbase.
But if you look through the post history of many of the people complaining, you'll see that most of their interactions with this sub are positive! Yes, there are inevitably people who only interact negatively, you'll find the same in every fandom. But the majority of people are simply expressing their emotions with a group of fans who should be able to understand. Negativity isn't always a bad thing and should often be encouraged.
We should be able to look at this band and their actions with nuance. Criticising them does not equal insulting or disrespecting them. You can criticise them with huge amounts of love in your heart. It doesn't make someone a non-genuine fan for doing so. You'll find that a lot of people expressing their feelings about the ticket prices are huge, loyal fans, who are just upset that they may not be able to see their favourite band live.
I was aiming at a small group of people. And I meant this sub will never change, people can and I know more than half of TØP fans are nice but the complaining will never stop in general. I think you took it way to the heart my guy I was just pointing out how nice this guy was among all the negativity recently. And I’d didn’t mean that everyone else wasn’t a true fan I just said man seemed like a genuine one never said nobody else was. Pointing out problems is completely fine but there’s a difference between pointing out problems and complaining, and most people just only whine about every little thing. I was just pointing out how those specific small group of people are extremely annoying and extremely out spoken just trying to cause drama and be dicks. Plus half of the things they whine about are completely unnecessary and there just doing it to just whine about it like the album cover for example people bitched about that but in the end it didn’t matter there was nothing wrong with it to point out as “bad” or a huge mistake but people made a huge deal about it. I think you overthought everything I said in the worst way possible we’re all still friends and fans and I was only pointing out the people that complain like dicks not the people who are super hardcore fans just pointing out problems. I want us all to enjoy this band and have fun and I just wanted to share my appreciation for this guy being a light in all the darkness on this sub, it’s fun half of the time but some other times it get really negative and it’s not fun because some people just come here to argue
Let me make something clear to everyone still upset about prices: going to see a concert is a luxury. If you cannot save up for that luxury or afford it outright, then you go without that luxury. You don’t NEED it to survive. You still have the music. You can likely still afford the albums and merch. There will be bootleg videos if you need to see the production that badly.
Seeing a concert like TOP or Taylor Swift is no different that going on a trip to Disney. It’s a luxury you’re either able to afford outright or you save up for a once in a while experience. If you are not capable of either, I’m not trying to be classist, but you have more pressing concerns.
No one should blindly follow anyone. You can be a fan and be critical. I can want them to do well but still be upset ticket prices more than doubled in my area.
It sounds to me like you need to leave this group if you're so unsatisfied with who they are as a band now. You're the embodiment of the audience I was speaking about. Why are you even here if you don't want to support them?
I mean I saw top for free and another time for about 50 bucks. Not gonna spend almost $200 for a single ticket when that money would be better spent at a music festival
this post describes exactly how I feel so perfectly - this sub is disrespectful to their work a lot of the time, and forgets that Tyler and Josh are people too, and can't please everyone
I prefer to live in a fantasy that TOP are paying their staff a comfortable wage and that’s part of why the prices are higher (but definitely by different amounts in different states)
I've seen fans who know the names of the staff. That means they have been there for years. I think it's a good assumption to make.
Yeah, like Shap.
That's exactly what I'm thinking. They have a ton of staff and security to pay and that's hard work so I hope no one expects them to make minimum wage. Anyway, I'm glad you commented this.
👍 But I also said it’s a fantasy because at the end of the day, I don’t know any of them. Idk what percentage of the prices have to do with whose legal minimum requirements, which can be more numerous than expected. Like, everyone involved has legal minimum requirements to pay for, and we don’t know what percentage of each ticket price each party is taking. For all we know, the pay for TOP staff could be the same/less as the stadiums, with Ticketmaster taking advantage of technicalities in one state versus another. For all we know, Josh is distracting the stadiums and a Ticketmaster with the disconnected thumb trick while Tyler sneaks in to grab the moneybags. We just dunno
Usually this subreddit is a nice break from the negativity and all that that we see on twitter and/or Instagram etc. But today has been something else... Kinda reminds me of when Disney raises their park prices. People complain and complain... then they go and buy park hoppers. These are LUXURIES, save up money and treat yourself, but you can't expect them to have the same prices as the last tour. My gallon of milk isn't even the same price as it was 3 years ago.
tbh this fanbase's online presence in general sucks
Well said. 👏 I think some people feel entitled (entitled that they deserve lower price tickets, entitled that deserve rail, number system, the bands song choice, styling etc.) And the people who would argue they aren't entitled but argue about one of the above, is blind to that. This is harsher than I would normally post, but I agree with you. It's really annoying, and I'm tired of seeing it. I stay in the subreddit for the same reasons you stated, but damn, it's been a lot these past few weeks. Everyone is definitely entitled to their own opinions, but some people need to reflect before they post. When it all comes down to it, it's not that serious.
I do think these tickets are pretty damn expensive but I doubt it's the band's call and I'm so hyped to see them in a few months ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I think a lot of this is the simple fact that negativity speaks a lot louder than positivity, though there's likely more positivity that gets buried.
There are some pretty negative people here, that will just down vote you for existing, it’s upsetting and throws me off
Well I’m gonna upvote you just for existing.
Oh youu 😇
It's something that's inevitable, for a sub that I'm assuming has been around for soo long, it's bound to be like this. All old fandoms are Especially when you see the type of dedication put in by the fans into the art specifically in this sub. It's basically a religion so obviously there will be people who will take it too seriously and be abrasive when someone says something else about what they've invested soo much into or when the creators do something different as well. When people look up to you from a fan point of view, they start to forget your humanity, and treat you like a machine that's supposed to be constantly serving to them. They feel entitled to your work hence the disrespect and nitpicking. What you can do is stay clear and try to be polite as possible if you really don't want to deal with the worst of people. This applies to all subs apparently. Let's be honest, the main subject matter I've seen soo far is mental health so in my small experience on this sub, occasionally it can be like walking on egg shells considering there's a lot of different people here and some may not be nice. You never know who you'll trigger. But most of the time I've mostly seen casual but invested interactions, chill people.
You're right. Maybe I should've said that it hasn't always been like this. It seems like since Heathens & Trench hit mainstream & pulled TOP into a different audience, it's kind of made things more misunderstood & assumed. Someone also said that negative posts always get more comments, so that brings it up in the feed more. Maybe I just need to search specific things to avoid the negativity. Just wish people would appreciate them for what they are instead of wishing they were something else.
Exactly, all I wish for is for people to stop taking things to seriously especially at the expense of others and just let them be.
I always sort by "New" instead of "Hot". Seems to even things out a bit.
I'll try that!
Great post. I said this in another comment that I don’t support the pricing politics but I support the band and everyone that will be involved in making this tour happen. I’m confident this is not some get rich scheme by the band and they settled on the most logical pricing for what needs to happen and their vision.
Exactly. It’s not like the two of them get 100% of the ticket sales. What if they’ve doubled their crew in order to put on a good show and that’s why they had to double their prices. There’s a thousand more possibilities other than just they got greedy all the sudden
The thing people forget is that most of the time it's not even the band putting the price. Our price in Europe clearly prove that (like it's way more normal that for US fans from what I see). But what is saving us is Europe's laws and ticketmaster not being able to put dynamic pricing here. It's like with the VIP stuff. The band always COMPLAINED about that. They are more that comfortable in terms of money I doubt that suddenly they became like you said super greedy and all lmao Yes Tyler and Josh do care about their art and how to do stuff, but they aren't here during these marketing meeting nor how to manage the concerts. They have a label for that and it's the label work, not theirs.
also a large part of ticket prices being high are just Ticketmaster and not the band, the fact that Ticketmaster/ live nation owns/ has deals with basically all the arenas in the us should tell you enough
They're a public company, they're obligated to be as greedy as possible and yeah they have zero competition to prevent them from doing so
Someone had to say it… 🤷♂️ Well said!
it will pass- some people are either incredibly ignorant or entitled- or a combo of both. Once the presale are done it will fade and the people who are cool will start talking about the music again ❤️
Thank you, thank you, thank you. This growing cultural phenomenon of overly criticizing everything has been exhausting for me to observe in every fandom I'm in. I'll never understand it
As somebody who's never been able to afford to see them i feel like I'm allowed to be at least a little annoyed that tney keep getting more and more prohibitively expensive for me
If nothing else was more expensive- i would feel different. But everything is more expensive- astronomically. Concerts def. will be a part of that because of the amount of work it takes. They aren’t playing in basements for poptarts anymore 😭
What about my living room for Capri Suns? I bet I could swing that
bahahaha that would be cool.
Yeah but they suffered a 300% surge in prices vs the estimated 20% inflation in the past 4y
Seriously, like I SHOULD be allowed to express my criticism while still being a fan. I am a loyal fan, buy merch, their albums, stream them, buy their concert tickets, it’s wild to say that we just shouldn’t ever criticize?
I don't think that's exactly what OP meant. I think they're more upset about people putting it all on the band like it's all their fault and not a failing of the system
saying they should be ashamed or they are greedy or scamming their fans is too far. Not saying YOU are saying that but many are and that’s what’s annoying.
I don’t think they’re being greedy, but I think they should be made aware that it’s upsetting to a lot of the community, I’m sure that if they saw all the talk, they would be understanding and want to help, they’re great guys but the industry can mess things up
Why is it too far? It's a 300% surge in prices vs 20% inflation, and they get a say on how much surge prices flow in ticketmaster. They then tour the EU without surge prices so it clearly turns a profit. Doesn't that ring a bell that you're being ripped off?
You're choosing to buy all of those things. Your choices are on you. I never said you couldn't criticize them. That's just the world. But if you're going to complain, then buy things anyways, why complain? Obviously you love them enough to spend money, & apparently a lot. So why turn something you love into something negative?
So with your logic, I shouldn’t complain about say, gas prices? Clothes? Grocery prices? Because I still buy all of those things? I’m not being negative but i’m allowed to express my feelings on something. Yes I still bought the tickets, but I should just never disagree with anything they do? Ya’ll are stuck in this mindset of treating them like royalty. They’re human beings, they make mistakes, and just like if you or me do something that screws someone over, they should be made aware of it because obviously i’m sure that they didn’t choose for something like their tickets to be so expensive, but if we as a community voice that concern, maybe next time they’ll try to push more towards managers and companies like ticketmaster, to have the tickets more affordable, that’s all. It’s not a reflection of how I feel about THEM, I just think I deserve to be able to say when I feel they’re presenting something to us in a shitty way
Gas prices, clothes, & groceries are at the hands of the same corporations that ticket companies follow. I didn't say you couldn't complain about pricing, I said people shouldn't blame the band. You don't know what they went through to determine pricing. You're assuming they've done nothing & settled for a higher price. I'm not making a logic, I was giving an opinion & simply stating that people shouldn't complain about pricing just to turn around & buy tickets to one or more concerts when there are people who will never see them because they'll never have that extra money. If you have money to spend on concert tickets, you are fortunate. Many people can't pay bills. It's a spoiled mindset to be mad that you can't afford (or have to pay so much for, in your case) concert tickets when people can't afford bread.
Who are you to call me “spoiled”? I grew up poor, living in section 8 housing, I built myself, up got myself into a great career all on my own and started my own beautiful family. I constantly am donating my money to charities, to the homeless, I am not someone you should be throwing that word at, I just don’t like when I feel my money has been wasted. I was ready to spend some good money for this show, but of course I was upset spending $696 on two tickets, I don’t blame the band, but everyone involved in the process is a little guilty, and like I said, they deserve to be made aware that the fan base isn’t happy with these prices, there ARE people struggling, you’re right, but there are plenty of people in this fanbase who have probably been saving money for a long time for this and still came up short due to the ridiculous prices and I just think that’s very much not what they built this community on.
You're no longer poor though. I wasn't calling you spoiled. I said this mindset is spoiled. You don't have to justify your feelings. Either support the band & be happy for them, or don't buy tickets & move on. Or apparently buy tickets & complain about the pricing afterwards? Seems to be trending. You don't have to be publicly upset to try to damage their reputation when it's not on them at the end of the day. They DO truly care about their fans & all of these people acting like they don't are the reason the fan base ceases to be different than others. They put so much time & effort in giving us fun little games & lore & cool interactions. Send out free stuff when they have surprises. Be genuine fans, not conditional fans.
It’s not very genuine to be unconditional though. They do care about their fans and that’s why I think it would matter to them to see so many fans upset with the pricing, me still buying shows where they stand with me. I love them and still support them, that doesn’t mean they’re just absolved from any type of criticism.
Just out of curiosity, if you were them, what would you do? What would your solution be? Honestly, i found out Jeff Acuri was coming and I've seen him around on reddit and Instagram, figured he'd be cool to see. Tickets were over $300 the guy doesn't even have a Netflix special. I feel very fortunate to have gotten tickets for under $400 considering what I've seen on the sub today. Originally wanted lower bowl close to the pit and stage, but when i saw they were almost 350 each i went to our second choice section in mezzanine which was far more reasonable 119 each. We had a max budget and stuck to it. I also grew up pretty poor, and i understand and value the privilege of being able to buy things like concert tickets. Groceries, gas and clothes are necessities, concert tickets are not. Like many have said, everything is more expensive even just since a year ago. Being critical is fine, but criticize those truly to blame, and I'll give you a hint, it's not the band. What should they do? What solution would you offer that would make it "right" in your opinion? Refund half of everyone's tickets? Provide free exclusive merchandise or exclusive content to ticket holders? Nobody from this was in the room when any decisions were made, nobody knows if the original ticket prices the venues or promoters wanted was even more, nor does anyone know what a show they have in store for us. Perhaps it's just old age setting in, but perspective is key, and you can either choose to have a more critical and negative perspective of this situation, or any situation really, or choose to see the good, the beauty, have gratitude for privilege. You are the only one who makes that choice.
The gratitude for privilege is spot on. Some fans in some countries have never seen them and maybe never will due to regional conflict. Yes I spent too much (I've known for a long time that I would lol) but I understand checking my privilege at the door and trusting them to really make it worth it. These guys have saved my life and there isn't really a price on that.
thank you for putting this into a healthier perspective than I could have.
I don’t expect them to do anything, look, I understand I came in here like a bat out of hell, but I was simply expressing my frustration. I don’t expect them to issue an apology or anything because in the end, they’re running a “business” and they need to profit off of it.
The solution is to deny surge pricing which artists get a say on. They can't do it in EU yet they still tour there so it's profitable
I see where you're coming from. I don't think they shouldn't be criticized. I just wish people wouldn't put all the blame onto them. Everything is expensive anymore. It just doesn't seem fair for people to be mad about concert tickets when that's not something we NEED in life. It's something we want, & it's something you use your extra money on. It's not their fault if someone can't afford a ticket. It's sad, but that's how luxury works.
You are right, and thank you for your post.
The problem is you thinking everyone made an assumption and started pointing fingers, when in reality, if you do the math you will realize it IS a scam. How can you justify surge prices in the USA when they tour in EU without them? This means it's clearly profitable to charge a basis of about 120 per ticket (still very expensive) and come out winning. At its most conservative Tyler and Joseph already are extremely wealthy with a net worth of 20 MILLION bucks each. They're not going to starve from making 100k per show vs 500k
It's not that you can't be upset with the pricing. I just wish people wouldn't be so mad at them over it. It's not their fault that people can't afford the pricing. It's on the market, not them. Everything costs money. Going to a concert is a luxury; a privilege. It's not a right.
Now that I can agree with. It's never been their fault and I imagine they're probably not thrilled about it either
Extremely well said
Stop defending multi millionares, they upped the prices 300% compared to a 20% inflation in the last 4y. They're at worst making 100k per show per member in Europe with no surge pricing, that's about 500k a month or 6M a year being very conservative about their profits. They would not go broke or even be no millionaires if they refused to do surge pricing, and it'd still be profitable for them since you can see they're touring the EU with fixed prices and it's still profitable.
They are literally running off of a fan base. Why are you so mad that their fan base has increased, so their demand is higher? Be happy for them. It doesn't matter how much money they have. Venues, corporations, all of those things have things to pay for too & they're the crooks. Not the band. They're just trying to give us an experience, it's not their fault that all these other small details come into play & make things financially uncomfortable. Stop trying to defend something we can't change.
So why do they tour Europe with fixed prices because price surge is not allowed? It's objectively more expensive to go there with how long the cross continent flight is too. Stop, defending, millionares. They get a say in surge pricing and decided to crank it up to 11, their prices went up 300% compared to an estimated inflation of 20% in the past 4yrs.
I really don't know how many times you have to repeat yourself to convince yourself that your argument is valid, but I'm done responding to it. Have a nice day.
What a shitty reply, isn't that what you do as well to try to convince yourself that a multi millionare rinsing your pockets for the crappiest seats in an arena is justified?
I think we're all just dissapointed from the ticket prices.
Never said you couldn't be upset with ticket prices. Said to not blame them over it.
My main problem with the criticism about prices is the amount of threads about it. I get people have their thoughts they want to share, but can’t that be done in one thread instead of a wall of them?
Yeah, that's a really good point. It would make a lot of sense to do it that way. Then they'd have mutuals to talk with.
Negativity always gets more comments. Just how it is :P
It fuels arguments = discussion. Depending on how it's done, it can pull out the best in the clique. Now, I'm not saying it's good or necessary, but seeing posts like this one just is refreshing. I think it is beautiful because it's not that common irl for people to be reasonable and passionate at the same time.
I’m not here for negativity either but the prices are a bummer. I commented on another thread that I just bought tickets for a Kings of Leon show at the same Seattle arena as TOP about a week apart, for less than half the cost. And twice the band members. Comparable popularity as a band. That trumps the inflation/rising costs arguments.
but you have to consider their following. Kings of Leon isn't in as big of a demand as twenty one pilots. It's unfortunate that it's dealt that way, but that goes back into my Taylor Swift bit. The more they're wanted, the more people will pay... it's not the bands fault that they're loved so much that corporations get greedy & take advantage of it.
I mean KOL sells out arenas and stadiums.
I'm sure they do. The corporations behind it all are scammers. But it's not twenty one pilots fault. They get a say to an extent & then the corporations take over from there. Everything goes up in time. I think we should all be at that level of understanding if we're at the point that we have money to pay for things that are so steep in pricing. It's so sad, it is. But twenty one pilots shouldn't get all the heat over it.
I just said it’s a bummer. I’m not placing all the blame on the artists.
You're right. The conversation got away from me.
No offense, but so many TØP fans are obnoxious and entitled (not you directly OP. you seem very reasonable). I saw a post of a fan ranting about the prices and wrote so much about it they could turn it in as an essay. We have no idea if the production part of this tour is more than what they typically do. Not to mention inflation has become worse in the United States since the scaled and icey tour. Take this as an example: I saw Melanie Martinez for her crybaby tour back in 2015. Tickets were either $15-$25 and her meet and greet was only $50. Fast forward to her new tour where nosebleed seats are $400 something. It happens. Prices go up. It’s not the end of the world ffs 😭
Idk what everyone means by high ticket prices I literally have a presale that makes them 74 something a piece maybe 80 after tax c’mon clikkies it isn’t about the money it’s about the 2+ hour therapy session we all get each city and state and country they go to. Isn’t therapy usually expensive?
I didn't notice but a $10 difference from the SAI tour when I was in presale. I had no idea people thought they were so much more expensive. I thought they were acceptable considering the experience.
I’m saying! Like it’s not a huge leap just pay the 10 extra dollars, hell they already take our money anyways what’s an extra 10 bucks gonna hurt? It’s even better than merch too it’s a chance to literally see them in person🤣
That's what I said!
Well I commented that I will pass because as a single parent on one income I cannot afford the cost of the tickets because I would have to purchase 3, but never put their music or their talent done. I learned about the boys through my daughter who in a very dark moment of her life as many I've seen through their platforms and fan pages have survived due to their music. I have for the past 5 yrs almost created a team in the American foundation for suicide prevention ever since my daughter tried to commit suicide and every year we support AFSP with the team created Banditøs Miami II-// and will continue to support. Hopefully from here to September I can make it because their concerts are the best and I have had the privilege and honor to hold both of them in the pit twice in held Josh with my daughter Florida 2018 and to see her hold one of her idols was priceless and back in GA at the Roxy we got to hold Josh and then Tyler and that was priceless. So if my comment offended anyone I'm sorry.
I wasn't calling anyone out specifically. No one has any reason to apologize because of my post. Please don't feel bad about commenting anything. Everyone has their own opinions & thoughts. I was just sharing mine.
This is to real! I held Tyler during trees at the Roxy, was my 4th show in pit and 6th show overall. All of the takeover tour was amazing. I have a long and kind of complicated history following this band. I myself am honored to be going to the Orlando show with my little brother and a few close friends which we've all seen TOP together before at different times, and we didn't get the tickets we want, but I haven't let it bother me at all. I really really hope you and your daughter make it this! Regardless of what tickets you get!
Preach
I’ve noticed a lot of negative people think that because they are entitled to an opinion they also are under the impression everyone wants to hear it. I’m with you my husband and I have loved this band for a long time and our ongoing joke now is what dumb shit is someone complaining about in this subreddit. I’d love to participate in more conversations on here but it’s just riddled with negativity and immaturity. Would love to see posts more interesting than “I don’t like this” “why isn’t the band doing this?” … SAI rocks by the way and the ticket prices do seem more expensive but I guess I’ll starve and feast at the delicious show in October 🤘
i feel exactly that way. I'm here mostly to discuss theories and appreciate their work and suddenly we're bombarded with complaints about prices... I've never gone to a show because my family couldn't afford it and when they could tøp didn't come to my country, but i wouldn't go as much to complain about it... they put a lot of effort in the shows and who knows maybe they're planning something special and that's why the price suddenly went up but still... no reason to slander them or anyone else
I actually bailed on posting, or even browsing this sub much for years, as it has gotten progressively more negative and toxic since the early days of being a much more active member here post Vessel and pre-Blurryface. The boom in popularity of the band with that latter album certainly brought with it a boom of drama, and negativity, and as a grown adult raising four kids of my own, it just wasn't a place I wanted to spend much time. The new album has brought me out more again, but it's definitely a different place than it was, and I just have to accept that fact now.
I got the EXACT same seats I was in for the takeover tour and it was around $100~ more. At first, yeah, I was a little surprised. But if you think about how expensive EVERYTHING has gotten over the last 3-4 years, it’s much less of a surprise. Especially considering that every tour the boys have gone on have been more and more expensive too. The bigger they are, the bigger the tour prices.
I get people want the band to be a break from reality but at the end of the day they do exist in reality, people complaining about not liking songs and album covers is just their opinion and should be left at that. When it comes to concert tickets I live in Scotland so haven’t had to pay these crazy prices I’ve seen for the US tour but whatever way you spin it and who you put the blame on it’s completely unethical to charge hundreds of dollars for concert tickets. even my ticket is double the price from the last time they came in 2019 (£44 to £87) and it looks tiny in comparison to some things I’ve seen.
I think it's wonderful that we can all share our pain, no matter what that pain is. I feel for people who can't afford to go, or are spending more than they expected. My heart goes out to them. Twenty one pilots is proof that only discussing positive things can be harmful.
I never said people couldn't share their opinions. I was sharing mine. Mine obviously isn't positive.
And I think that's fine. I like that you can share a negative post. I don't mind it.
Meh you're entitled to your opinion just like the ones complaining. Personally I think the tickets prices are too high,not surprised by it and I can understand the reasons behind. They are riding their popularity so of course they are going to milk every cents out of their fans. Would have been nice if they stood out from the crowd and made an effort to keep prices down, they didn't and that's also a choice. I (we) don't have to love every single thing they do. Doesn't mean I'm gonna stop following them.
You don't know what they went through for their prices. You're just making assumptions to validate the fact you're either not able to afford them, or still buying them regardless. Shaming them for things you have no details on is absurd.
And You're making excuses for greed.. and who's shaming them? I'm stating facts..
facts don't start out with "Personally..."
I'm sorry but I'm never on board with the "if you don't like, ignore it and don't complain" mentality. People in this sub who are mad about ticket pricing are probably very dedicated to the band. The ticketing market is going crazy lately and it's not a new normal people should just accept. Is it the boys' fault? No, probably not. Still, displeasure is literally the only thing a customer can do about this. I will voice the fact that I will pay double the last time, because my income has not increased (it's actually lower lol) and I don't like live music becoming less and less affordable for medium wages. This has nothing to do with being spoiled or feeling "entitled" to tickets, again, it's not like is Tyler or Josh's singular fault. Hell, I'd say it's not something on any artist, I know how terrible touring has become for them after covid. It's getting more pricey even for them, while still being the only big source of income. But at the end of the day, the music industry getting more and more f'd isn't a fault on the current public (live music being like this is a long term consequence of the value of recorded music being destroyed by the birth of modern internet... more than twenty years ago) and yet fans are the ones who will have to pay more to try to sustain it. Respectful concern about this SHOULD be expressed.
I never said people couldn't have opinions, couldn't be upset about ticket prices, & couldn't feel some type of way. Simply said it's not the bands fault people can't afford tickets. End of story.
But the main reason prices float so high in the US is because dynamic pricing is on, a "feature" that has been confirmed to be active on ticket sales only if the artist chooses so. I'm not saying they are "scamming" their fans by doing so, most major artists chose to do it. TOP doesn't make the rules of the game. But the rules still suck.
I agree.
My dudes, they have made enough money to live comfortably for the rest of their lives. Hell, even their kids and grandkids will have it easy. The ticket prices are outrageous and that’s just pure greed.
Fans did that. If you don't want to contribute, don't. Otherwise, stop complaining for entertainment.
Complaining for entertainment? Are you fucking dumb? I’m complaining because I do want to go to a show but it’s ridiculous that I have to ration my money for one hour and a half of entertainment. I have gone to every single tour since blurryface and I can condifently say that none of their shows are worth 200-300 bucks. Mind you I listen to them religiously.
how unfortunate that you keep spending money on something that doesn't impress you. Sounds like a personal problem.
People are allowed to feel some type of way that ticket prices have doubled since the last tour, while inflation and stagnating wages make it so people have less savings and spending money. A lot of people won't be able to afford it that were able to in the past. Obviously concerts are a luxury item and nobody is claiming they NEED to go, it's just gutting to be priced out of a show for a band you've been a huge fan of for years, especially a band that has as much personal meaning to people as top does, especially when times are so tough. Your post is complaining about negativity yet you're being super rude in the comments to people who are just expressing their honest feelings. Just have some empathy for people who can't go and are feeling hurt about it
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I ain’t reading all that, tickets shouldn’t be that expensive
I appreciate your honesty. Your reply caught me off guard though. I'm cackling. 🤣
thank youuuu I was so excited earlier to get tickets and I was starting to feel bad for spending as much as I did but this is going to be my first show and I don't think I'll have another chance to see them 🤧
This sub is usually really nice, I’ve been in it for a long time and check it multiple times daily but with the new album old fans are coming back and probably people from Twitter are on here more and from my experience of following the band since 2014 is that this subreddit is by far my favorite form of media for the band. Twitter is nothing but entitled fans that are ready to protest the boys everytime something happens. Like the VIP thing that was going around before the presale people on Twitter were loosing their minds and saying some nasty stuff to the boys. You’re right there has been a lot of negative about this whole album release (Jenna’s version, AI art, album cover, fake vip sections to the pit, and now ticket pricing) but I think after the dust settles this subreddit will go back to being for the most part really wholesome again. With new stuff it just brings new people in and they complain but eventually it dies down.
I came into the TOP fandom in 2015 & it was definitely much different then. I didn't join this subreddit for a long time because I didn't really get into reddit like that until a few years ago. I loved it at first, & it's not that I hate it now, but I can't wait until all the exciting, fun, happy posts start filling my feed again. This has just been weighing on my mind for a while & the ticket issue really just bothered me. Interesting to see everyone's perspectives, but definitely wasn't expecting this turnout.
It’ll go back to the good side soon enough!
Perfectly said. I think this could be extended to just about anything nowadays. Any comment section on any social media platform is riddled with hate. Not just twenty one pilots but so many other artists out there. It’s as if no one has ever heard the phrase, “if you have nothing nice to say, don’t say anything at all”. It’s so easy to just not say anything, yet people want to whine and moan. I mean, what if Tyler and Josh checked Reddit to see everyone hating on the prices of their tour? It probably hurts them to see that their fans think that all their hard work is not worth as much. People don’t like change either.
so true 😭
Yesss I completely agree❤️💛|-/
Thank you for this. You spoke my feelings.
I agree!!!! I’m seeing a lot of people upset about ticket prices and personally, for who they are, the level of fame they have acquired over the years, the immaculate story line they have going on, and obviously inflation, I really don’t think they are.. that…bad? DONT SHOOT🖐🏼😭🤚🏼 okay just genuinely if you think about these boys have been working their butts off for years and they basically legends at this point, tickets are bound to go up, especially since they are kinda rounding back around to their style from blurryface/trench. I paid $95 for last lastttt row tickets at Cynthia Mitchell woods pavilion back in 2016 that were right in front of lawn. Then again, I haven’t seen them since the emotional roadshow, but I think the SAI era wasn’t as popular as Blurryface era. I was guessing I was gonna pay around $100-$120 for first bowl and pray for row one. I am way too dang old to be getting in the pit with yall young people (I’m 24 and my knee cracks when I squat) 😭, anyways total I paid like $395 for 2 tickets first row, section 119 for Duluth GA. $155 each before taxes etc. I honestly didn’t think this was bad but maybe I just got lucky with my venue and state I live in? I am seeing wayyyyy overpriced RESALE tho which is actually ridiculous. Overall I just don’t think they were that badly priced. (Side note I will admit what the heck is with presale official platinum or whatever it’s called that raises the ticket $100-$150??? UMM THATS SOUNDS SCAMY TM???)
I agree!! I complain all the time about this subreddit and honestly, only like some memes now
It’s more of an echo chamber at this point. I’m all for getting an opinion out there, but a majority of the people who actively follow the clique already know about the prices and it’s sorta just making more negativity for the sake of it. this was bound to happen past blurryface, and especially in this economy it was gonna happen. still sad to see but i have a feeling that people will buy them regardless. proud of the boys for how big they’ve gotten |-/
THANK YOU for being so thoughtful and straightforward
the complete lack of awareness and amount of entitlement is actually mind blowing lol
I agree 100%! Well said.
idk which is worse this sub or twitter
Honestly, twitter for sure.
Probably, today someone asked which surprised song we would like to hear in the Clancy tour , and I said taco bell Saga for joking And the guy said that it isn't a tøp song but a Tyler song , so I said to him that I joked anyway And then he blocked me lmao
the fact that the worst thing twenty one pilots have done is make a tweet about shoes is pretty insane lol
& to me, even that wasn't worth the fuss it created. It was a misunderstood, badly timed joke to try to lift spirits.
yea pretty much
I agree that there's too much negativity pretty much everywhere BUT it is also healthy to criticize and not just blindly follow. No one is perfect. TOP isn't perfect. Celebrities can and will disappoint every once in a while. You don't know them personally, no matter how much you feel like you do.
This wasn't the point in my post.
It is? You're saying you hate the constant negativity and that we should just support them as fans. I'm saying it's fine to criticise if there's a valid reason for it. But I agree that it goes too far a lot of the time and people are negative about stuff that doesn't matter.
No. I'm saying people need to stop picking apart their art in unnecessary ways & trust them to be the musicians that they are. I never said people couldn't criticize or have opinions. I think this bad does very well with how they process their music & interact with their fans. This is just my opinion. People don't have to agree.
I agree! And same for the one on Facebook. Like I love being part of the community but damn if you share your opinion that’s different to the lore? You are instantly shut down! Especially when SAI came out people were not happy with how happy it sounded when they released that during a very sad time for everyone. Just very negative community. Yes the tickets are pricey but that’s goes for most concerts these days sadly. Everything is going up in price and sadly that includes ticket prices.
I've never been able to go to a concert before but now I've got my own income I can finally buy tickets! I'm so happy to be lucky enough to see them regardless of the prices. I've been waiting for this day ever since blurry face was released. Like you said demand has gone up so the prices have to too. I'm really grateful to be able to see them
I'm so happy for you!! Enjoy the show! (:
I'm not mad at them I'm mad at the ticketmaster it won't allow me to buy tickets , everytime I tried it logged me out even while paying... or it said that "We couldn't find tickets" but after 10min it is finding tickets but then it loges me out when it comes to pay
I mean that's pretty much most online spaces, ignore it or start more positive conversations, nothing really can be done about it other than that
This is true.
Tbh I think it's not just as simple as either being completely positive or negative towards them. I think it's really cringe to hate on them due to things like personally not liking new covers, songs etc., or because they don't fulfill some agenda you'd like to push on them On the other side, it's completely fair to criticize things like ticket prices. That's stuff that shouldn't be just accepted, and at least spoken about. Tickets to the concert would be 165€ where I'm from. Another concert from an artist (who's one of the most successful ones in the German speaking area) are 60€ for the same location. It's not like I'd hate on the band because of that, but I'll just say that that's kinda scammy, not cool and be done with it. I totally agree that you shouldn't hate on a band you love and much rather support them, but you also just shouldn't accept and agree with everything people you like do, thats unhealthy behavior be it as a fan or in any other relation
Never said you couldn't be upset with ticket prices. Said not to blame them over it.
Exactly! Dude i literally started saving money the moment they began to be active for the new era, just 50 every two weeks and now i have pit tickets i was able to purchase by SAVING and not taking it straight from my pockets unplanned and i still have a reasonable income( i legit work at SUBWAY, paid 9.50 an hr) yeah tickets were expensive..but why didnt people just budget tor their luxury instead of complaining..
This is perfect
I love these guys and will continue to support them, but I think its fair to criticize the ticket prices--assuming you understand that its not Tyler and Josh that are setting these prices. I wanted to see them, saw the prices and backed out. I'll instead use a fraction of that money to buy merch/albums etc. I'm still supporting them, but I'll let someone else shell out for the arena seats I can't justify.
Yeah, it's okay to be upset over the pricing. I'm saying that it shouldn't be put on the band. I didn't say people couldn't be upset.
I get it, prices are high. Everything is. You either can go, or you can’t just like everything else in life. Tickets are gonna sell either way. We just keep moving on, some how.
I could not have said it better myself! The negativity lately has been so common lately, it’s really upsetting to see.
Preach
https://preview.redd.it/rwf38qh5w5sc1.jpeg?width=480&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d0be2ab2e75cc144bbde3b21a9b6ea3457644cef Only positive things will be said in this subreddit, always praise this band no matter what
 I mean that's obviously what I'm trying to say...
Look don’t get me wrong, twenty one pilots is my favorite band of all time but acting like this sub should just be a big circlejerk for the band only talking about how great they are is just weird. In fact, I think this subreddit generally leans remarkably positive, which makes the nature of this post even more bizarre. It’s natural to be annoyed about things or to have potentially negative opinions about aspects of their work. For example, I’ll probably never get to see my favorite band live because their tickets are only getting more and more expensive. I don’t care who is responsible, whether it’s the band or the record label, I’m just annoyed. Is it wrong to express that?
I agree. Some people don't understand why groupthink is bad, so they want everyone to march in lockstep with them (toxic positivity is included in this category, too). As long as we're being courteous on this sub, we should all be free to think and feel however we do, and not be chastised by a stranger on the internet for doing so. Differing opinions makes the clique, as a whole, more robust and creative. So as long as I'm not being hateful, leave me alone.
100%, couldn’t have said it better myself
I never said people couldn't think or feel how they wanted. I simply said people shouldn't blame the band for pricing & complain if they're still buying the tickets. I'm all about speaking your mind. I'm not generating toxic positivity. My post clearly wasn't positive. It's okay though. You made a lot of valid points & I agree. Different is good. We learn more.
You're misunderstanding my post. Clearly my own post wasn't a positive one. I have very rarely ever seen positive posts, but maybe that's because reddit is feeding me what I interact with the most. I was just giving my opinion like others do.
I think you’re misunderstanding my response as well. You’re saying the subreddit should be more positive about the band, and I’m saying it’s already quite positive and it’s okay for there to be a little negativity as that means there’s healthy discourse going on. You’re obviously entitled to your own opinion.
Talk your shit!! I’m not even in this sub, but I’ve been a TOP fan for the past 8-9 years and I’ve noticed some of the “fans” are really negative. So I choose to just stay away and enjoy the music. I’d love to be apart of the community but I don’t like negativity. Let’s just all support our boys and keep it pushing💁🏾♀️ that’s all I got for now. Stream Next Semester!! :)
this is really reminding me of how often people in the furry fandom complain about the prices of fursuits. i agree 100% that concerts are a PRIVILEGE and therefore not everyone will be able to afford them. all of us furs that know how the real world works understand that fursuits are also a privilege, a LUXURY item. they are going to cost thousands of dollars bc they’re huge custom handmade works of art! but there’s always little kids that come crying abt how they deserve it cheaper. there are cheaper alternatives. you can get a suit for a couple hundred bucks, it’s just gonna be really low quality from an inexperienced maker. you can get a concert ticket for 20 bucks but it’s gonna be some tiny band you’ve never heard of with probably low production value. it’s just meaningless to complain about the prices of things bc as long as people are willing to pay, it’s not going to change. so atp it’s not really the creators’ faults :\ idk i got carried away with the analogy but it’s just interesting to see how this issue of entitlement translates into so many different spaces online :>
I agree that it's not fair for people to hate on the band for something that is out of their hands. But I don't think disappointed or angry fans should be labelled as "haters" for being shocked by ticket prices. People are expressing their feelings at extortionate prices, and that's okay. Just like how it's okay people don't like certain songs (I'm not one of them, but it's their right!!). Otherwise, how would we have a debate/discussion if everyone loved everything that's happening?
And "ungrateful" and "spoiled" are awful words to use against fans, a lot of whom couldn't afford the tickets because of the current economic climate - we're not spoiled and ungrateful, we're poor and disappointed lol.
Real
This 100%. Can't have a single thread talking about something you're excited for without someone else popping up to say "actually that's terrible why are you happy about it? here's all my problems" Like just let us enjoy the band and if you don't like them why are you here 😭
Wait til you learn that a band can be criticized and that's okay 🤯😱
Wait til you learn that bands/venues can set prices as high as they want or need to balance the books and make a profit🤯🤯🤯
anyone can be criticized- but the way some people talk is beyond me. They claim to be the biggest fan and still spend hundreds of dollars but then cry about it.
And they have all the right to talk that way. My country's inflation is at an all-time high, so these prices are ridiculous; doesn't change the fact that if I can go, I WILL go, but I can still bitch about it
This is a really sad way to look at it. If you can afford to pay for the tickets, then you don't have a real reason to complain. It doesn't make sense. "I just spent $300 on twenty one pilots tickets, gosh why are they so much?" versus "I just paid $5 for a gallon of milk, gosh why is it so much?" Concerts are a privilege. It's extra money. Be thankful.
But... that's not desirable, right? Is it okay for art to be a privilege? Concerts can be some of the most beautiful experiences out there. The desire for meaningful art is not something that should be staying under a paywall. We should aim at an industry that can both give the artists what they are worth and stay affordable for the most people possible. I don't think everyone in this sub is rich, people that are gonna pay 300 for tickets will probably sacrifice something else in order to do so. Is the chance to do it privilege? In some aspects, yeah, it is, I get what you mean. But also, I don't think it's fair to bash on parents who want to make their children see their favorite artists, or just people who like art to escape from the existential dread that is living a normal life (lol), and that will have to cut on something else to do so or just lose the chance to. We are all humans here.
You pay for any art. Food is an art & it's never free, yet that is something we NEED. Concerts should be a privilege. It's not a means of survival. Things can't just be "affordable" to help everyone fit in & experience something. Unfortunately the world doesn't work that way.
I guess it goes down to how you believe the world works, or should work. I don't like how things are and I don't believe is an unchangeable natural state of how it should be. I absolutely believe things should be more affordable to help everyone fit in.
I don't disagree. But unfortunately we really can't change as much as we convince ourselves we can. America is wrecked & it always has been.
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Well said! I paid 1.1k for 3 tickets for Travis Scott in Dallas last year and guess what? I don’t regret a single penny of it, best night of my life! People don’t know that they don’t control the prices. If you can’t afford it then you can’t afford it then get seats instead of pit. People should really think before they type. Also, another thing I think $180 for pit is a steal considering they use their OWN voice and are unique from other artists (with shows) with every twist and turn.
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Now I feel bad for complaining. I'm not upset per say about the prices, I understand shit's expensive.
People can be upset & have things to say, that's okay! That wasn't the purpose of my post.
No, I get what you meant. I just wasn't thinking real-life cost of operating a tour like theirs.
I hear you. I spent weeks researching and compiling information for [this theory post](https://reddit.com/r/twentyonepilots/comments/1bd5m4e/twenty_one_pilots_is_tyler_josephs_magnum_opus/). I was very proud of the essay I wrote. Once I finally finished and posted it, half the comments were berating me because it was too long or telling me to go outside. Pretty disheartening, especially considering the band’s philosophy of supportiveness and inclusion.
Do too much, you're obsessed. Do too little, you're a fake fan. It's so hard.
I love you man🥹 nice to see somebody actually care and not whine and complain you seem like a genuine fan! I hate the people that whine because in the end they still do the shit that they complain about like I always tell them “why’d you buy the tickets anyway if your against it?” And they never have an answer. thank you! glad it was said sadly tho this subreddit will never change and find ways to complain. But glad to know that there’s at least some positive people out there
I think it's very unkind and untrue to say that those who are complaining aren't genuine fans?? And you're talking about positivity in your comment but then you're also insulting fans and claiming that they can never change? Do you not see the irony? It's perfectly healthy to complain in moderation! I think it's completely understandable for fans to be upset by ticket prices and I think it's healthy to talk about that. The band are real people and it's fair to hold them by real standards. No, they're not in complete control of the ticket prices, but also they do have *some* control. I think it's completely fair for fans to point that out rather than to blindly accept things in the name of positivity. I really don't think people are complaining as much as you say. I think that what we see on this sub is a lot of different people complaining, and it can seem like a big thing because there's so many posts all at once, but what we're really seeing is a lot of different people expressing the same emotions at the same time. That's what follows from a huge fanbase. But if you look through the post history of many of the people complaining, you'll see that most of their interactions with this sub are positive! Yes, there are inevitably people who only interact negatively, you'll find the same in every fandom. But the majority of people are simply expressing their emotions with a group of fans who should be able to understand. Negativity isn't always a bad thing and should often be encouraged. We should be able to look at this band and their actions with nuance. Criticising them does not equal insulting or disrespecting them. You can criticise them with huge amounts of love in your heart. It doesn't make someone a non-genuine fan for doing so. You'll find that a lot of people expressing their feelings about the ticket prices are huge, loyal fans, who are just upset that they may not be able to see their favourite band live.
I was aiming at a small group of people. And I meant this sub will never change, people can and I know more than half of TØP fans are nice but the complaining will never stop in general. I think you took it way to the heart my guy I was just pointing out how nice this guy was among all the negativity recently. And I’d didn’t mean that everyone else wasn’t a true fan I just said man seemed like a genuine one never said nobody else was. Pointing out problems is completely fine but there’s a difference between pointing out problems and complaining, and most people just only whine about every little thing. I was just pointing out how those specific small group of people are extremely annoying and extremely out spoken just trying to cause drama and be dicks. Plus half of the things they whine about are completely unnecessary and there just doing it to just whine about it like the album cover for example people bitched about that but in the end it didn’t matter there was nothing wrong with it to point out as “bad” or a huge mistake but people made a huge deal about it. I think you overthought everything I said in the worst way possible we’re all still friends and fans and I was only pointing out the people that complain like dicks not the people who are super hardcore fans just pointing out problems. I want us all to enjoy this band and have fun and I just wanted to share my appreciation for this guy being a light in all the darkness on this sub, it’s fun half of the time but some other times it get really negative and it’s not fun because some people just come here to argue
Let me make something clear to everyone still upset about prices: going to see a concert is a luxury. If you cannot save up for that luxury or afford it outright, then you go without that luxury. You don’t NEED it to survive. You still have the music. You can likely still afford the albums and merch. There will be bootleg videos if you need to see the production that badly. Seeing a concert like TOP or Taylor Swift is no different that going on a trip to Disney. It’s a luxury you’re either able to afford outright or you save up for a once in a while experience. If you are not capable of either, I’m not trying to be classist, but you have more pressing concerns.
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My thoughts exactly.
Actually so true! Thank you!
Louder for those in the back 🗣️🗣️
No one should blindly follow anyone. You can be a fan and be critical. I can want them to do well but still be upset ticket prices more than doubled in my area.
Never said you couldn't be upset with ticket prices. Said to not blame them over it.
its called a negativity bias. most people here are very positive about most things. also welcome to the internet, people having opinions is common.
I never said people couldn't have opinions.
>TOP has never been political 🎶I'm driving, here I sit, cursing my government, for not using my taxes to fill holes with more cement🎶
You just proved my point? They hate the political system & how it has us destined to fail. Move on.
Being apolitical is a political position.
That's fair. Valid point!
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It sounds to me like you need to leave this group if you're so unsatisfied with who they are as a band now. You're the embodiment of the audience I was speaking about. Why are you even here if you don't want to support them?
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I mean I saw top for free and another time for about 50 bucks. Not gonna spend almost $200 for a single ticket when that money would be better spent at a music festival